What are all you righters going on about with your bullshyte about what will the labor party do after they lose the election.

Who is going to be leader? Who is going to be the treasure spokeperson? etc

Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet.

You are all saying the polls are telling you that labor will lose now read this on how the polls can be wrong.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/15/bc-election-pollsters-wrong.html

There is only one poll to take notice of and that is held on the 14^th September where everyone gets a say not just 1000 people that live in liberal areas

They said a week is a long time in politics and there is about 120 days to go before the election and a lot can happen between now and then.

John S wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

What are all you righters going on about with your bullshyte about what will the labor party do after they lose the election. Who is going to be leader? Who is going to be the treasure spokeperson? etc Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet. You are all saying the polls are telling you that labor will lose now read this on how the polls can be wrong. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/15/bc-election-pollsters-wrong.html There is only one poll to take notice of and that is held on the 14th September where everyone gets a say not just 1000 people that live in liberal areas They said a week is a long time in politics and there is about 120 days to go before the election and a lot can happen between now and then.

The prodigal son returns with more bullsh1t.

Welcome back Valley Boy.

BTW wiseone? will you give us a hint who you will be voting for.

oh boo hoo

seems like you are having a massive dose of sour grapes..vb...

just to please you just supposing they do win ... do you honestly think they will keep gillard as Pm and swan as treasurer???? are you saying they are as dumb as will think they are? ;) ;)

If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence.

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting.

the wise one

All I can say is CentreBet is just one click away.

I think the polls are off, I think the ALP defeat will be bigger than what the national polls are showing.

In the state elections we are seeing inconsistencies which don't look pretty for the ALP or the greens ...... these are real polls.

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence.

Valley Boy read the article?

Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies.

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting.

The USSR turn out in 1984 was 99.7% as well due to compulsory voting.

How proud you must be to force people to the polls.

Meanwhile in the rest of the western world, we'll allow people to decide if they wish to vote....

I never bothered in the recent UK one.
As is my right.

KJT1981 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence. Valley Boy read the article? Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies.

Careful. He's best mates with Ray Hadley.

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting.

longweekend58

I am opposed to compulsory voting but the stats knock my argument out of the park.

Practically we only have compulsory polling booth attendance but given that in most elections about 1% fail to show up and only about 1% fail to vote correctly.

Polling is a statistical sampling which can show trends and anomalies, the trend for the ALP has been down then flat-line.

Doing polling on a variable target quantity is very dodgy.

Given the vast majority in Australia seem happy to vote and know how to correctly ...... this does provide a far more stable polling basis.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: 'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting. The USSR turn out in 1984 was 99.7% as well due to compulsory voting. How proud you must be to force people to the polls. Meanwhile in the rest of the western world, we'll allow people to decide if they wish to vote.... I never bothered in the recent UK one. As is my right.

so you cant have a bitch and say I didnt vote for them... who cares what other countries do..

to be honest we would be at the mercy of the unions who hold great sway at tellin g people what they MUST do....we on ly have a small voting population...

pathetic at this stage to tell us you can please yourself...

as you say andrei you please yourself  why you come on a political board when you admit you dont bother voting I dont know is that so you can have a bet each way...????

RightSadFred wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: 'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting. longweekend58 I am opposed to compulsory voting but the stats knock my argument out of the park. Practically we only have compulsory polling booth attendance but given that in most elections about 1% fail to show up and only about 1% fail to vote correctly. Polling is a statistical sampling which can show trends and anomalies, the trend for the ALP has been down then flat-line. Doing polling on a variable target quantity is very dodgy. Given the vast majority in Australia seem happy to vote and know how to correctly ...... this does provide a far more stable polling basis.

in future check out the informal votes at the end of the counting...........

imagine what the numbers of non voters would be if it wasn t compulsory.. we are a lazy lot you know...

the non voters would out number the voters is that what you want?

I never bothered in the recent UK elections cods because I can't stand the Labour Party, Cameron has let me down on various fronts and I think the LibDems are cracked.

In a normal society, if a politician or party does not match up to the standard you expect, then you should be free to not vote for them.

I did register my view by being one of the 60% who didn't turn up.

They have to win my vote.
Compulsory voting makes people vote who wouldn't care less which is absurd.

Which is probably why nobody else does it.

smoeone wet the bed again..

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting.

If you read the article you would see that it was NDP that lost the election and they are like our labor party so the conservative-leaning people did turn up to vote

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:06am:

I never bothered in the recent UK elections cods because I can't stand the Labour Party, Cameron has let me down on various fronts and I think the LibDems are cracked. In a normal society, if a politician or party does not match up to the standard you expect, then you should be free to not vote for them. I did register my view by being one of the 60% who didn't turn up. They have to win my vote. Compulsory voting makes people vote who wouldn't care less which is absurd. Which is probably why nobody else does it.

so the country is left tpo the mercy of 40% that do turn up mostly unionists I am sure.. well done andrei.. sorry but that pathetic its all about you isnt it?..

seems childish havent you got 2 little girls you want to see things improve for???  or are you prepared for them to live in a world of fanatics....because they will always vote come hell or high water.

KJT1981 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Valley Boy read the article? Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies.

There is a hilarious post down in the Feedback board where "The Wise One" is saying how it is a shame that some posters are not posting anymore.

In his list he gives

Riverina.Jack
The Valley Boy

Is this not a case of classic split personality disorder????

KJT1981 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

John S wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:32am: What are all you righters going on about with your bullshyte about what will the labor party do after they lose the election. Who is going to be leader? Who is going to be the treasure spokeperson? etc Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet. You are all saying the polls are telling you that labor will lose now read this on how the polls can be wrong. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/15/bc-election-pollsters-wrong.html There is only one poll to take notice of and that is held on the 14th September where everyone gets a say not just 1000 people that live in liberal areas They said a week is a long time in politics and there is about 120 days to go before the election and a lot can happen between now and then. The prodigal son returns with more bullsh1t. Welcome back Valley Boy. BTW wiseone? will you give us a hint who you will be voting for.

you know bugger all dickhead do a bit of research on silent voters and see how they vote.

do you know what a silent voter is at all bet you don't

John S wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: 'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting. If you read the article you would see that it was NDP that lost the election and they are like our labor party so the conservative-leaning people did turn up to vote

So they are a bunch of criminals too!

People will turn up in droves to vote the rotten Gillard government out.

John S wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

KJT1981 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:37am: John S wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:32am: What are all you righters going on about with your bullshyte about what will the labor party do after they lose the election. Who is going to be leader? Who is going to be the treasure spokeperson? etc Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet. You are all saying the polls are telling you that labor will lose now read this on how the polls can be wrong. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/15/bc-election-pollsters-wrong.html There is only one poll to take notice of and that is held on the 14th September where everyone gets a say not just 1000 people that live in liberal areas They said a week is a long time in politics and there is about 120 days to go before the election and a lot can happen between now and then. The prodigal son returns with more bullsh1t. Welcome back Valley Boy. BTW wiseone? will you give us a hint who you will be voting for. you know bugger all dickhead do a bit of research on silent voters and see how they vote. do you know what a silent voter is at all bet you don't

Yep, a d1ckhead like you that doesn't want their address to be known to the public.

If I were you i wouldn't want anyone to know where I lived either.

Saves having your fence decorated with graffiti saying 'd1ckhead valley boy lives here'.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

KJT1981 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:45am: Valley Boy read the article? Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies. There is a hilarious post down in the Feedback board where "The Wise One" is saying how it is a shame that some posters are not posting anymore. In his list he gives Riverina.Jack The Valley Boy Is this not a case of classic split personality disorder????

some think we all suffer from memory loss..LOL..one of the reasons he c&ps all the time its the only way he can remember what he has done....havent seen anything from the Independent for a while maybe they have had a falling out.

Valley Boy doesn't want Ray Hadley to find him.

RightSadFred wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: 'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting. longweekend58 I am opposed to compulsory voting but the stats knock my argument out of the park. Practically we only have compulsory polling booth attendance but given that in most elections about 1% fail to show up and only about 1% fail to vote correctly. Polling is a statistical sampling which can show trends and anomalies, the trend for the ALP has been down then flat-line. Doing polling on a variable target quantity is very dodgy. Given the vast majority in Australia seem happy to vote and know how to correctly ...... this does provide a far more stable polling basis.

it is always a complexity in predictive polling when voting is voluntary. absensces in voting are n ot across the board but rather centred on ethic and age groups who do vote differently than the average thus skewing the results. If 50yos and up didn't go to the polls, labor would win the election. if <50s didn't vote, labor would almost fail to win a seat.

John S wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: 'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home.  however we have COMPULSORY voting. If you read the article you would see that it was NDP that lost the election and they are like our labor party so the conservative-leaning people did turn up to vote

It was an example, not a commentary on this election.

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence.

That can't be right. Last night Galaxy was 54-46 and Newspoll was 56-44. That's 2% different from each other.

John S wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet.

We all want to know who you will be voting for. Any hints?

TheGreenLight wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence. That can't be right. Last night Galaxy was 54-46 and Newspoll was 56-44. That's 2% different from each other.

and the middle ground of 55/45 means they are 1% off. 

TheGreenLight wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence. That can't be right. Last night Galaxy was 54-46 and Newspoll was 56-44. That's 2% different from each other.

TheGreenLight

I know on election night the two party preferred means everything, but in the polling the primary means more in trends.

The ALP have been hovering around 30% and the Coalition have been hovering around 46-48% so 12-16% is right on the mark.
(depends which poll your talking about)

FYI preferences are not a guaranteed in fact they are modelled in these non-election polls, preferences can add or subtract a 1-2%  .... not everyone follows them blindly.

The only anomaly in the real polls is the greens polling in real state elections versus their national figure.

It appears the greens are going to dip back below 10% if the state elections get mirrored federally.

KJT1981 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Valley Boy doesn't want Ray Hadley to find him.

come on KJ tell me whats Ray Hadley got to do with vb?...

I wouldnt want to meet Ray on a dark night so I trust it isnt too bad..lol

KJT1981 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

BTW wiseone? will you give us a hint who you will be voting for.

salad in wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

We all want to know who you will be voting for. Any hints?

It got bugger all to you two one who I vote for but the liberal/national party will be last on the ballot paper.

But don't worry the national party will win this seat. They won last time 61.17% to 31.83%.

KJT1981 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

John S wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 10:12am: KJT1981 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:37am: John S wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:32am: What are all you righters going on about with your bullshyte about what will the labor party do after they lose the election. Who is going to be leader? Who is going to be the treasure spokeperson? etc Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet. You are all saying the polls are telling you that labor will lose now read this on how the polls can be wrong. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/15/bc-election-pollsters-wrong.html There is only one poll to take notice of and that is held on the 14th September where everyone gets a say not just 1000 people that live in liberal areas They said a week is a long time in politics and there is about 120 days to go before the election and a lot can happen between now and then. The prodigal son returns with more bullsh1t. Welcome back Valley Boy. BTW wiseone? will you give us a hint who you will be voting for. you know bugger all dickhead do a bit of research on silent voters and see how they vote. do you know what a silent voter is at all bet you don't Yep, a d1ckhead like you that doesn't want their address to be known to the public. If I were you i wouldn't want anyone to know where I lived either. Saves having your fence decorated with graffiti saying 'd1ckhead valley boy lives here'.

OK dickhead you know everything so tell me if I haven't got my address on the electoral roll how do I vote.

when you go to a polling booth they ask you 3 question

what is your full name?

where do you live?

have you voted in this election before?

so how can they check my address if it is not on the roll

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

KJT1981 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:45am: Valley Boy read the article? Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies. There is a hilarious post down in the Feedback board where "The Wise One" is saying how it is a shame that some posters are not posting anymore. In his list he gives Riverina.Jack The Valley Boy Is this not a case of classic split personality disorder????

it is rather funny thats for sure!!! 

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

KJT1981 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:45am: Valley Boy read the article? Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies. There is a hilarious post down in the Feedback board where "The Wise One" is saying how it is a shame that some posters are not posting anymore. In his list he gives Riverina.Jack The Valley Boy Is this not a case of classic split personality disorder????

Give a link to that post dickhead

You've not seen Valley Boy or Riverina Jack around have you?


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you only have to look at some of left leaning members that have left or has not posted in the last 12 months energyangel, equitist, grey, infarction, jamesbluntus, pansi1951, peterfreedman, vegitamite97, nairbe, GoddyofOz, bludger, The valley boy, riverina jack This board will finish up with just right leaning members patting each other on their back saying how good they are. If you look there is a total of 1400 members and their would be lucky to have 50 members posting regular and halve of them are socks of someone else.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1342262694/27

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