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Title: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Cofgod on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:48am

A serving British soldier has been hacked to death by two Muslim men 200 yards from his barracks in Woolwich, south east London, this afternoon.

A dramatic video tonight emerged of a man with bloodied hands, carrying knives and ranting 'We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you.'

The man can be seen and heard talking to the camera. The video came as terrified eyewitnesses saw two men shot by police marksmen after the machete attack in Woolwich, south-east London.

The two men are thought to have waited around for 20 minutes until Metropolitan Police officers arrived and then tried to attack them - but were swiftly shot by armed policemen, including a woman.

They apparently shouted 'Allahu Akbar', which means 'God is great' in Arabic, and tried to film the attack, the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said.

Shocking: This exclusive still from a video obtained by ITV News shows a man with bloodied hands and carrying knives speaking to a camera in Woolwich, south-east London. A victim lies in the road.

Statement: ITV News obtained footage of a man with bloodied hands and knives speaking to a camera

On the ground: Two men were shot by police marksmen after the machete attack in south-east London

Theresa May tonight called a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee in response to the machete and knife attack on the man who was wearing a Help for Heroes t-shirt.

The Home Secretary said she had been briefed on the killing by the head of MI5 and police later confirmed they were treating the incident as a possible terror attack.

Meanwhile Prime Minister David Cameron cancelled a meeting with French President Francois Hollande to return to London. He said Britain has faced similar terror attacks before and added: ‘We will never buckle in the face of it.’

Before the dramatic video of the bloodied man was obtained by ITV News, eyewitnesses said the 'crazed' men in their 20s launched a ferocious attack and were 'hacking, chopping and cutting him.'

In footage released by ITV News, a man with bloodied hands carrying a knife and a machete addresses people holding a camera, where he appears to attempt to justify the incident.

Speaking to those recording the scene he says: 'I apologise that women had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same.

'You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you.'

In footage obtained by The Sun, he can also be heard saying: 'You think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start busting our guns you think politicians are going to die?

'No it's going to be the average guy, like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace

Scene: One man died at the scene here in John Wilson Street, south east London this afternoon while two were seriously injured

Two men were rushed to hospital this afternoon while another man died after apparently being hacked to death in Woolwich

From above: This video grab from an ITV News broadcast shows an aerial view of the investigation scene

Investigations: A forensic tent is erected near the scene of the attack in Woolwich, south-east, London

Following his outburst, the man walks back towards where the victim is lying in the middle of the road. He then speaks to another man as they stand near to the victim.

Women are later seen bravely tending to the man lying. The footage appears to have been taken before any of the emergency services have arrived at the scene.

Later footage has also emerged from shortly after police fired at two men. One of the men can be seen lying in the road, while the second is laid on the pavement.

The footage taken after the shootings was reported to have been taken by a man who had been on a bus on his way to a job interview.

Mr Cameron said on Twitter that 'the killing in Woolwich is truly shocking - I have asked the Home Secretary to chair a Cobra meeting.'

A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: 'The Queen is of course concerned by the report of an attack in Woolwich earlier today. Her Majesty is being kept informed.'

The spokesman also confirmed the Queen will visit the King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery at Woolwich barracks on May 31, which was planned before today's attack.

Probe: The incident is believed to have started after this car crashed. Fluid can be seen which has leaked from the car

See more and video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-atta

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Spot of Borg on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:52am

Psychos exist of all types.

SOB

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Cofgod on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:17am

An eyewitness report on twitter:

The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!
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People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a recolver
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The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it

This from the Daily Mail:

'Luke Huseyin, 32, who lives in a block of flats on John Wilson Street, Woolwich, close to where the incident happened said he watched two men murder a man before being shot.

He said: 'I was at home and heard a big bang. I looked out of the window and saw a car had crashed.

'It was a blue Vauxhall. Then two black guys got out of the car dragging a white guy across the road towards the wall.

'One of the guys had a knife that looked about a foot long and a machete and the other bloke had a gun.

'They started slashing him up with the knife and hitting him in the stomach with the machete.

'I don't think it took long before he was dead. There were people passing by who were screaming and running away. I've never seen anything like it.'

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:12am

Stay classy, islam you're doin great >:(

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by KJT1981 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:26am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:52am:

Psychos exist of all types.

SOB

I hear the Borgs are well known Psychos in Queensland.

Do you own a meat cleaver Miss Borg?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:39am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:52am:

Psychos exist of all types.

SOB

And people like you call us racists and bigots!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by The Heartless Felon on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:04am

Multiculturalism, anyone?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:14am

Hang em and hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:23am

I'm sure they were entirely justified in doing this. Right leftwads?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDtL0TKjw3w

"In our lands women and children see this all the time."

Says the black man with a british accent. Where exactly are 'your lands'?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:28am

all are forgiven

be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:43am

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:28am:

all are forgiven

be at peace

namaste

Dear master Light,

hacking an innocent man to death with a machete cannot be forgiven.

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:15am

His land, It all gets down to identity. Everyone always identifies with their own race. This is why multiculturalism will never bring about peace but will bring trouble to any land that attempts it.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:18am

i think its important for moderate muslims to now stand up and be counted.

moderate muslims need to form vigilante groups and hunt scum like this down.
moderate muslims need to behead a few of these psycho muslims to show the rest of the world that they are as repulsed by this as everyone else.

if moderate muslims fail to act without mercy aginst these types of people (and lets face it moderate muslims would have a better idea of who is a radical extremist than other secularists) than moderate muslims will bear the consequences.

this will only be bad.

the time has come for them to join (in fact lead) a merciless campaign of eradication of every last cretin who thinks like this. if they dont, in my view, they are complicit in the crime.
they are like the nazis in 1945 who just turned a blind eye to the atrocities committed by other nazi's and then expected forgiveness.
this is unacceptable now, as it was unacceptable in 1945.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:20am

Enoch Powell would be rolling in his grave about now. Rivers of Blood speech was correct.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:24am

aquascoot wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:18am:

you sound like an extremist

the very thing you hate...

curious to see this here and now.

i do not hate yet send LOVE and LIGHT for

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

you are forgiven for hate speech

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by red baron on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:32am

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:18am:

Agh light. if love would work , this is what i would recommend. but it would do a jew in aushwitz little good to love the nazis.
there is always a time to fight fire with fire and cease pussy footing around.

though pussy footing around is undoubtedly what the softc#cks in london will do. ;)
this will not help.
a small % of the population , maybe .001 % have to be intimidated with overwhelming force.
and its important this movement to erradication is led by the moderate muslim leaders themselves.

this is a win/ win. a win for muslims and a win for society. even if they dont proceed, the leaders of the mosques in england need to call for total war. if not, they should be deported.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:39am

" moderate muslims need to form vigilante groups and hunt scum like this down.
moderate muslims need to behead a few of these psycho muslims "

id aquascoot

do you withdraw this statement?

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:44am

but it would do a jew in aushwitz little good to love the nazis.

__________________

is this what society is doing?

allowing government and military industrial complex

to invade lands and david cameron even

selling weapons and missiles all throughout

saudi arabia and the middle east for that is whats

been happening in the past few years as well as

invasions of sovereign countries

this is blowback from government foreign policy

yet everyones watching footy and thinking

of the good ole days like kingswood country..

while the fox raids the hen house...

all that is in separation goes back to source

in these now moments

so be at peace as you are indeed

forgiven

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:49am

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

_______________

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/alleged-smuggler-says-he-was-afp-informant-20130515-2jmia.html

Alleged smuggler says he was AFP informant
Date
May 15, 2013
Read later
Karlis Salna, AAP South-East Asia Correspondent

Authorities in Australia have refused to confirm or deny claims by alleged people-smuggling kingpin Sayed Abbas that he was recruited by police to help end efforts to send asylum seekers to Christmas Island.

Abbas, believed to have been one of the most active people smugglers operating out of Indonesia in recent years, is wanted in Australia to face 27 charges related to three boats intercepted en route to Christmas Island between 2009 and 2011.

He is suspected of sending many more boats to Australia, including one which sank in December 2011, leaving 200 people dead.

But the 30-year-old claimed on Wednesday as he faced court in Jakarta that he was recruited by the Australian Federal Police (AFP) five years ago, before being later abandoned by his handlers despite helping them disrupt other people smuggling operations.

He said he was first recruited following a meeting with AFP officers at the Australian Embassy in Jakarta in 2008.

The Afghan-born Abbas claims to have subsequently met with two AFP operatives named "Lisa" and "Nicky", and to have provided details about another alleged people smuggler, Amanullah Rezaie, who is also wanted by Australian authorities.

Abbas said he also told AFP officers about a plan by the people smuggler Haji Sakih to send asylum seekers to Australia, which led to the interception of a vessel as it left eastern Indonesia in 2008.

He claims a senior AFP officer also offered to help resettle him if he provided information on people smuggling syndicates operating in Indonesia.

___________

AFP running people smugglers

so ask your government why

be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Amadd on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:55am

Multiculturalism has done nothing but make the white man a stranger in his own country.

The white person is the only one not allowed to utter the word "our" unless it includes every other race in this country that some of our relatives have died for.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:56am

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:39am:

" moderate muslims need to form vigilante groups and hunt scum like this down.
moderate muslims need to behead a few of these psycho muslims "

id aquascoot

do you withdraw this statement?

namaste

ID LIGHT.
i will rephrase

moderate muslims should go on television and state that they totally understand that this is what the public feel is nesseccary and that they want all extremist muslims and imans deported from the united kingdom. they need to sell a few mosques(preferably radical ones) and set up a trust fund with maybe a few million pounds in it to be named after the beheaded soldier and to be used to , say, fund "victims of islamic terrorism'

i could go on but they need to own the problem, just like the germans in 1945. they need to parade the members of mosques past the guys body so they can look with horror on what has been done in the name of allah. its not good enough for some half arsed statement saying "islam is a peaceful religion" when clearly this is not the case. again, the muslims need to do this themselves to show they are stand up guys.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bogarde73 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:23am

I'm sick of warning about what's coming.
It's a wonder old Winnie didn't get sick of warning about Hitler for years with nobody listening.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Morning Mist on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:34am

Some academic over at The Conversation tries every excuse in the book to avoid blaming Islam. What is heartening, though, were some of the replies to this article, which could see the through the academic tricks of obfuscation, deconstruction, Red Herrings, strawmans, and the like.

Quote:

While the full details of the awful events in Woolwich remain unclear, the attack has already revived heated debates about the risk of terror at home.

When building a profile of someone who allegedly commits public acts of violence, you can look at any one of a number of factors including social and family networks, experiences at school or at work and a range of beliefs and ideologies, as we did in the case of the Boston marathon bombings last month.

But to focus on Islam as a way of pinpointing where this, or the next atrocity comes from would be a mistake.

Cross-border identities

In the aftermath of the Woolwich incident, a suspect (apparently with a London accent) speaking into a video camera, said: “in our land our women have to see the same …”

This may seem a contradiction to some viewers, but recent research has demonstrated that through the news, through kinship ties, the internet and migration, ideas are exchanged and identities constantly negotiated that transcend national borders.

In some cases, not necessarily this one, this leads to people taking on the causes of other people they have never met, and regurgitating ideologies that attract them.

This isn’t new of course – in the 1970s the Red Army Faction claimed some of its violent bombings in West Germany were carried out on behalf of the Vietnamese people. It also justified its actions from the ideas of Karl Marx. Yet none of the group had been to Vietnam and one of the principal leaders – Andreas Baader – didn’t even read Marx until after he had been imprisoned.

In Japan during the 1980s and 1990s, a religious group called Aum Shinrikyo combined elements from several religions and set itself the mission of world salvation. Increasing acts of violence culminated in the 1995 release of poisonous gas on the Tokyo underground, which killed 12 and injured 5,500.

Both these cases are instructive, not least because more recent events tend to lead to an unhelpful focus on Islam. Too often, explanations of radicalisation focus on overly-simplistic causes: for every loner who acted violently there is another terrorist who seemed socially well adjusted and connected. Similarly there are poor and rich jihadists and religious and non-religious revolutionaries.

Violent extremists have included victims of state repression and citizens of democratic societies, immigrants in hostile host countries and those from indigenous communities. The simple fact is that violent extremists are the exception to the rule and for every apparent cause of violent action there are numerous examples of people with similar ideologies, in similar circumstances, who didn’t act violently.

Causes and catalysts

This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to identify causes, motivations and catalysts for violent action. Through my research, I’ve explored how we can identify and distinguish causes of radicalisation. Motivating factors include racial or religious discrimination, and economic or social exclusion.

But the role of non-negotiable, sacred beliefs – those beliefs that are set apart from everyday ideas and practices – also appears to be central in all forms of terrorism. This might encompass places such as the National Mall in Washington DC, rituals such as the state opening of Parliament or the Olympic Games or figures such as Muhammad.

We all hold non-negotiable beliefs and commitments. Understanding what these are and how they are defended is one part of the picture in understanding how someone becomes radicalised.

The Red Army Faction (RAF) held a sense of basic injustice, that American imperialism was crushing “the people”, and had a world view that made a stark division between “them” and “us” (the American and West German governments versus the RAF and the common people). They believed violence was the only acceptable answer to Western treatment of the Vietnamese and others.

In much the same way, some supporters of al-Qaeda ideology express deep-seated feelings of injustice linked to the American invasion of Muslim lands, opposing world views represented by the West versus Islam and violent interpretations of their myths and religious teachings that mark them out from non-violent Islamists and Muslims.

We are still researching how such non-negotiable ideas provide motivation or justification for violent action. Overly simple explanations, such as the role of Islam – or of religion in general – in triggering violence, have been shown to be false.

http://theconversation.com/terror-on-the-streets-of-london-but-dont-jump-to-conclusions-yet-13883

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:56am

aquascoot wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:56am:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:39am:

" moderate muslims need to form vigilante groups and hunt scum like this down.
moderate muslims need to behead a few of these psycho muslims "

id aquascoot

do you withdraw this statement?

namaste

... and then take Catholics to meet the victims of sustained sexual abuse by the clergy and Baptists to the funerals of soldiers to see Fred Phelps and his merry band of f**kers in action.

You can also take people who are against abortion to meet the families of those killed on abortion clinic bombings/shootings;

or anyone that is against multiculturalism off to visit their "mate" Anders Behring Breivik;

or, you could admit that that would be a stupid thing to do because the vast majority of Catholics, Baptists and even right-to-life advocates have NOTHING to do with these atrocities, just as the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with the atrocity committed today.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Most people wake up to this news and think. "What an awful thing that was. That poor man".

Red Baron and Honky wake aup and think. "this is great, I can really give it to the lefties and Muslims today!"

Sick feckers.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Morning Mist on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:23pm

Mr Fowler, does this atomised view also work for the British soldier in question? After all, he was killed because of the activity of other soldiers, and not necessarily his own personal actions. Perhaps you should question why the person who allegedly killed the soldier has grouped this soldier in with others and didn't think atomistically.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Quantum on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:38pm

Quote:

In the aftermath of the Woolwich incident, a suspect (apparently with a London accent) speaking into a video camera, said: “in our land our women have to see the same …”

That's now classed as a London accent? Sure there a traces of a British accent in there, but it is hardly what most would associate with the English. I guess that is the result of what is at the heart of mass immigration. Creating a new normal.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Fu.co off cnt. You make me sick.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:05pm

This just makes one stop and think, these killers passed a security check when migrating to England. And that got me thinking about our own country and the so called security checks done on those entering Australia. Some may say its only a matter of time but I would like to alert those thinking that we are well past the only a matter of time factor and such murders and crime are already happening in Australia by migration groups.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Datalife on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:06pm

Quantum wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Quote:

In the aftermath of the Woolwich incident, a suspect (apparently with a London accent) speaking into a video camera, said: “in our land our women have to see the same …”

Makes clear as well the disconnect that is felt with England with talk of "in our land". The new home grown radicalised and with allegiances elewhere.

And soon to follow the backlash.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:29pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:05pm:

At this very moment there are exactly 20 would-be Islamic (not 'Islamist') terrorists languishing in our Australian jails.

We've been lucky so far, but inevitably this won't last.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by pansi1951 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:37pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Are they immigrants or were they born there? Time has a habit of catching up, we must remember that when we invade foreign lands.

There will always be retaliations, it's Karma with a twist.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Datalife on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:49pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:29pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:05pm:

At this very moment there are exactly 20 would-be Islamic (not 'Islamist') terrorists languishing in our Australian jails.

We've been lucky so far, but inevitably this won't last.

202 people including 88 Oz were not so lucky in Bali where they were specifically targeted for being western.

But I am sure that had nothing to do with the religion of peace.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:05pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Are they immigrants or were they born there? Time has a habit of catching up, we must remember that when we invade foreign lands.

There will always be retaliations, it's Karma with a twist.

So this young nutbag mussie what foreign land did he come from and when did 'we' invade it?

We didn't invade sh1t so making excuses for for scumbags, remember they hate you as much as they hate us, you won't be spared just be cause you make excuses for them.

In fact they will probably do you first.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:10pm

Datalife wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:49pm:

202 people including 88 Oz were not so lucky in Bali where they were specifically targeted for being western.

But I am sure that had nothing to do with the religion of peace.

Islam? Good Lord NO!

It's just like the two London slashers that are now making the news ... report after report had them identified only as 'immigrants' ~ and with 'English accents'.

Finally, and at great risk of losing his career and being ostracised from Britain's 'Educated Elite' ~ someone blew the whistle that these two were actually Muslims. (Shock! Horror! Somebody broke the taboo on mentioning the 'M' word).

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:19pm

BigOl64 wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:05pm:

In fact they will probably do you first.

;D

That's what these Useful Idiots don't understand ~ or don't want to accept is the truth.

Political democracy
Legal tolerance of Homosexuality
Equality of the sexes
Freedom of speech
No Death Penalty
Equal education for females.
No compulsory burqas or hijabs.
Mixed genders in the classroom.
No legal tolerance for hitting wife.
Anti-Sharia Law.

All this and more that is SUPPORTED by leftwing do-gooders is vehemently opposed by the very same Muslims who they like to defend and act as apologists for.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:23pm

But....but 'not all muslims are like thaaaaat..

Fine. Well they can be "not like that" in their own buggeren countries.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:29pm

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:23pm:

But....but 'not all muslims are like thaaaaat..

Fine. Well they can be "not like that" in their own buggeren countries.

There's a parallel in that only a very few in sports have the drive and the staying-power to push themselves towards competing in the Olympic Games ~ but they've got a mighty big audience cheering them on.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:34pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Exactly. The person who killed the British soldier is using the same twisted logic as Honky, Red Baron et al.

Racists and other extremists see an evil act perpetrated by the member of a group and then try to argue that the whole group is responsible.

Just like honky and Red Baron; just like the butcher in London this morning.

The outcome is different (and considerably more tragic) but the philosophy is the same.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:45pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Yes indeedy.

These two British Muslims should have travelled to Afghanistan and joined the Taliban from where they could kill British soldiers by the dozen with Morning Mist and Mr Fowler's whole-hearted approval.

That would have been a morally defensible strategy according to Morning Mist and Mr Fowler.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Datalife on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:51pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:34pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:23pm:

I prefer to just blame the US and Israel. ;)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:57pm

Datalife wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:51pm:

I prefer to just blame the US and Israel. ;)

That's White America and Jewish America.

NOT Black America, or Hispanic America, or Homosexual America, or Democrat America, or the current president.

Just them damn white bastards and the kikes.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by pansi1951 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Are they immigrants or were they born there? Time has a habit of catching up, we must remember that when we invade foreign lands.

There will always be retaliations, it's Karma with a twist.

Me? making excuses for someone who hacked someone's head off. They are fanatics and extremists and I have no time for them, whatever their race or religion.

Of course they hate me, they hate everyone's opinions and beliefs, except their own.

I'm not making excuses for anyone, I said you get back what you give, fact of life.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Quantum on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:23pm:

I think you misunderstood Morning Mist's position on this. He certainly does not see the world through the same eyes as Fowler Does.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:30pm

Quantum wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

I think you misunderstood Morning Mist's position on this. He certainly does not see the world through the same eyes as Fowler Does.

D'Oh!

Thanks for the heads-up.

It's just that an awful lot of Muslim immigrants and refugees are lying through their teeth at Britain and Australia's citizenship ceremonies.

It's time they were all given a detailed questionnaire about where their true allegiances lie, and what sort of social values they support.

At present there are no filtering systems to keep out the nutters.

But then again, Islam allows for 'taqiyya' ~ The practice of lying 'honourably' in the interest of defending or promoting Islam.

So we're back where we started.

Solution?

Ban the goddamn lot of them.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by ian on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:35pm

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Actually legal Muslim immigration increased substantially into this country under the Howard regime, Labour rolled it back. The majority of asylum seekers into this country are also not Muslim. You also appear to be confusing religon with race. There plenty of white Muslims in the world along with plenty of black non Muslims. Incredibly, what ever point you were trying to make is lost in the fact that everything you just posted was sheer nonsense.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:46pm

An example needs to be made in response to this barbarity. When they worship in Saudi during their maniacal pilgrimage to Mecca, at the height of this fiasco would be a good opportunity to deliver a small nuclear device which would send a message to these and the other animals. Should further chastisement be necessary, pick one Islamic country at a time and level it. Maybe then these scum would get the message and realise that they are not immune from retribution for their barbaric crimes. No troops on the ground just nuclear devices delivered from above.

Every Muslim is an anathema to me.

Come on America and UK put these smacking camel shaggers in their place......6 foot under!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:51pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Are they immigrants or were they born there? Time has a habit of catching up, we must remember that when we invade foreign lands.

There will always be retaliations, it's Karma with a twist.

The kama argument is bullsh1t, just being used to justify this brutal attack.

If they (the poms) want to clense their kama, remove all mussies from their country immediately and that way none of these scumbags will have anything to complain about and therefore won't go around cutting off the heads of decent people.

They need to calm the bugger down or get the bugger out, that applies to the ones here too. >:(

I doubt Im the only person sick to death of these murdering and raping scumbags

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:53pm

ian wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:35pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

It's nonsense that only the Labour Party has sponsored the immigration of a people whose religion is hostile to everything we Westerners stand for.

Howard ~ just as with Malcolm Fraser and the others before him ~ was just as committed to the genocide-by-immigration of the dinki di Aussie as ever was the Labour party.

Not even Gough Whitlam, Bob Hawke or Paul Keating opened the gates for black African refugees. They had the good sense to know this would be a recipe for guaranteed black ghettoes and all the problems that these give rise to.

But then John Howard opened the gate ....

I hope one day he gets mugged, rolled, and maybe even raped by some huge negro with a 10-incher.

In Australia's Museum of Criminal History I hope one day they'll do a wax-works of John Howard as one of the biggest political criminals this country has ever known.

For the generations to come ~ all black crime can be sheeted back to this one idiot who let the drawbridge down for the African hordes.

I'm thinking of disguising myself as a Negro and catching Howard on one of his walks ... 7-inches will have to do ....

If he begs me for more I'll kill him. 8-)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:22pm

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Fu.co off cnt. You make me sick.

Take a look in the mirror you discusting peice of work.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:25pm

i would suggest

forgivenesss

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by pansi1951 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:32pm

bigOl64

remove all mussies from their country immediately and that way none of these scumbags will have anything to complain about

Why all the Muslims? the great majority of them want to work, live and raise their families in peace.

Surely you're not tarring them all with the same brush?

I know some lovely, honest, peaceful Muslim people that I'd hate to see sent back to wherever, they happen to like it here and I'm sure they're not thinking about chopping anyone's head off.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:32pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Really. Really. Where have I said that?

So a racist and a liar as well.

If you aren't able to argue your position beyond, "them there foreigners are all the same I tells ya", then don't try.

Wilfully misrepresenting another person's argument to make you feel like you have had some kind of "win" shows you up for the intellectual pigmy you are.

Back to your whittlin' Cletus.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:29pm:

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 2:23pm:

But....but 'not all muslims are like thaaaaat..

Fine. Well they can be "not like that" in their own buggeren countries.

Rascists like you, for example, would make a bomb if they could.

But you can't, so just trawl the internet. Right?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Big Dave on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm

Islam and the west is on a collision course. Incidents like these just push it further to the point of no return.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:38pm

Socrates wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

... and you are different to the monsters who killed the soldier how?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:39pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:53pm:

ian wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:35pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Which makes you different from the monster who killed the soldier how?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Aussie on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Islam and the west is on a collision course. Incidents like these just push it further to the point of no return.

The 'west?' Howso?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Big Dave on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:46pm

Aussie wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Islam and the west is on a collision course. Incidents like these just push it further to the point of no return.

The 'west?' Howso?

Because ordinary people are starting to dislike muslims. It's entering the level of common opinion. The tougher times get the more we'll see of it. The moderate muslims know this.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:47pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:32pm:

The might be nice when it suits them but mussies can never be truly trusted when required, you just know one word from their imam and they would around next door choppin of some heads and sh1tting down the necks.

Society needs to be built on trust and mussies can never ever be trusted; so what is your solution let them continue to commit murders and rapes?

They don't really add value to our country, we can happily do without them.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by gandalf on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:52pm

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:46pm:

Because ordinary people are starting to dislike muslims. It's entering the level of common opinion.

Despite the hysterics in the media over the last few months, tensions have simmered significantly since 2001-2002.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Big Dave on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:52pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:46pm:

Because ordinary people are starting to dislike muslims. It's entering the level of common opinion.

Despite the hysterics in the media over the last few months, tensions have simmered significantly since 2001-2002.

Definitely. You talk to anybody who lives in south western sydney and you'll hear some disturbing opinions. My mate from Granville Sydney despises lebanese muslims. There's a definite bad feeling growing from the ground up. It doesn't help that there's a big divide in these communities.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Aussie on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:04pm

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:46pm:

Aussie wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Islam and the west is on a collision course. Incidents like these just push it further to the point of no return.

The 'west?' Howso?

Because ordinary people are starting to dislike muslims. It's entering the level of common opinion. The tougher times get the more we'll see of it. The moderate muslims know this.

What do you mean by 'the west?'

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by pansi1951 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:08pm

BigOl64 wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:47pm:

Who says Muslim's can't be trusted?

If they commit murder and rape they will be punished just like anyone else.

They certainly don't get pissed or run around in skanky outfits, but surely they add something to our country. All nations add a little of their own culture and that's a good thing in my opinion.

Muslims have built beautiful mosques, so their architecture alone is adding something, surely.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Big Dave on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:10pm

Aussie wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:46pm:

Aussie wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Islam and the west is on a collision course. Incidents like these just push it further to the point of no return.

The 'west?' Howso?

Because ordinary people are starting to dislike muslims. It's entering the level of common opinion. The tougher times get the more we'll see of it. The moderate muslims know this.

What do you mean by 'the west?'

White run countries with a christian majority .

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:35pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:08pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:47pm:

You may trust them but I don't and never will, I don'ty hate them, I just don't trust them and Im not alone there.

They are just not worth the effort required to put up with them.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:36pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:22pm:

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Fu.co off cnt. You make me sick.

Take a look in the mirror you discusting peice of work.

I aint the one beheading front bottoms in the street you dam piece of poo.

I don't often get angry at posts, but yours made my blood boil. It's not enough to all be disgusted at this horror - No, you still feel the need to claim some sort of moral superiority. Even if the face of such a sickening crime, you still manage to blame everyone but those reponsible - because that includes YOU.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:38pm

Aussie wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:46pm:

Aussie wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Islam and the west is on a collision course. Incidents like these just push it further to the point of no return.

The 'west?' Howso?

Because ordinary people are starting to dislike muslims. It's entering the level of common opinion. The tougher times get the more we'll see of it. The moderate muslims know this.

What do you mean by 'the west?'

You must be the only person from the 'west' who has never heard of the 'west'

Here's a hint it's not where cowboys are from, even though that is also the 'west'

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:01pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:14am:

Hang em and hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

No reply?
Surely - a piece of rope is an easy solution?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02pm

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

i would suggest forgiveness

not violence

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02pm:

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

i would suggest forgiveness

not violence

namaste

That's nonsense master Light.
If it was your brother who was beheaded by those mussies
you'd be the first one out there with a piece of rope - demanding justice.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by gandalf on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:22pm

Trully the rational and appropriate response to this is to get the pitch forks out and go on a good ol' lynching.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Trully the rational and appropriate response to this is to get the pitch forks out and go on a good ol' lynching.

Well the murder was in broad daylight on video -
with a confession -
what more evidence do you require?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Aussie on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:37pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Trully the rational and appropriate response to this is to get the pitch forks out and go on a good ol' lynching.

Well the murder was in broad daylight on video -
with a confession -
what more evidence do you require?

Yep.....guilty. But......no death penalty, if that is what you are driving at.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:40pm

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:22pm:

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Fu.co off cnt. You make me sick.

Take a look in the mirror you discusting peice of work.

I aint the one beheading nice people in the street you dam piece of poo.

I don't often get angry at posts, but yours made my blood boil. It's not enough to all be disgusted at this horror - No, you still feel the need to claim some sort of moral superiority. Even if the face of such a sickening crime, you still manage to blame everyone but those reponsible - because that includes YOU.

It's quite simple mate, although I doubt you will never get it. Some extremist loon commits some atrocious act and all the mouth breeders like you come running out trying to blame the "lefties", the "darkies", "the mussies" basically anyone you can blame so you feel like you are part of some sort of "movement" for a day.

Everybody else, that is 99.9 percent of the population (Muslim, Jew, Christian, atheist, Black, White etc etc etc), feel justifiably horrified but try to get about their day the best they can nonetheless.

I'm glad I made your blood boil, anyone who hears that an innocent man has just been hacked to death and thinks, "that's a great way to get at the lefties on line today" is lower than pond scum.

Deciding this is a great time to air your crackpot views just shows how much esteem you hold the deceased in.

I feel that pissing you off is part of any decent person's civic duty.

Anyway, back to your holy war f**k stick.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:53pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02pm:

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

i would suggest forgiveness

not violence

namaste

That's nonsense master Light.
If it was your brother who was beheaded by those mussies
you'd be the first one out there with a piece of rope - demanding justice.

you take un-granted liberty in "what if " land..

forgiven

that is your fairytale not mine lighted one..

because one has a car accident do we ban all cars?

due process will ensue without fundamentalists

calling for more killing and hanging deaths

your malevolence is forgiven also,

does this comfort you?

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:00pm

Light,
Malevolence - no - justice yes.

Hang em and hang em high.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06pm

you seem to want to hang many people

you tread further from light

freewill

this has not gone un - noticed

as it is forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:15pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06pm:

you seem to want to hang many people

you tread further from light

freewill

this has not gone un - noticed

as it is forgiven

namaste

I am sorry master Light but
my forgiveness does not extend to those who would
hack other's to death in the street.

You are forgiven for not understanding me.

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:31pm

my forgiveness does not extend to those who would
hack other's to death in the street.

__________

then should we hang all servicemen whom have

murdered in the name of war?

before you go on any muslim rant

here is hillary saying the US started al quaeda

to fanaticise islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnraKGPUnZI

Hillary Clinton Admits the U.S. Government Created al-Qaeda

Published on Sep 16, 2012
The Mujahideen were the "database" of Al-Qaeda assets. Al-Qaeda are a controlled opposition force of the Central Intelligence Agency to promote their middle east destabilization process. To give empirical U.S. Military Industrial Complex a reason to invade wherever they want in the ever widening "war on terror" fraud.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:32pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:15pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06pm:

you seem to want to hang many people

you tread further from light

freewill

this has not gone un - noticed

as it is forgiven

namaste

I am sorry master Light but
my forgiveness does not extend to those who would
hack other's to death in the street.

You are forgiven for not understanding me.

namaste

...all is not what it seems batman - look into this saga a little deeper

you may not like what you find

but the light must be allowed to pierce the citadel

kneel and pray until the sun re-appears

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:32pm

You are forgiven for not understanding me.

____________________

you are correct

i do not understand your view

and that is my choice

i do not stand under your lust for killing people

however

you are forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:36pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:31pm:

...and excellent summary of the fascist US global narrative

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:41pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:32pm:

Thanks Light,
to me - those mussies who cut off that soldiers head
were no different to a dog with rabies -
you just shoot them.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:44pm

any fool can hate

that is easy yes

carry on regardless

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:49pm

...and excellent summary of the fascist US global narrative

___________

and so it is

many observe this as known known blowback

as opposed to an unknown known blowback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaxqUDd4fiw

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:03pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:44pm:

any fool can hate

that is easy yes

carry on regardless

namaste

- : )

Dear Light,
you take un-granted liberty in " hate".

How about viewing it as cleansing the world of vermin?

in love & light

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:03pm

The UK.....

Years of appeasing moslems.

Ignoring the threats posed by ISLAMISTS [i.e. every moslem is an ISLAMIST - because every moslem 'subscribes' to ISLAMIC 'values'. i.e. "Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet!"].

Wake up!

With this incident in the UK, this is merely the chickens, coming home to roost.

IMAGE....

Quote:

25 May 2007
"......Al-Faisal spent years travelling the UK preaching racial hatred urging his audience to kill Jews, Hindus and Westerners.
......But throughout the trial he denied he had intended to incite people to violence.
......he argued his talks came from the Koran and if he was on trial so was the holy text."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6692243.stm

n.b. the bare faced deceit/denial...

"......But throughout the trial he denied he had intended to incite people to violence."

Those who would naively call for tolerance of ISLAM [and tolerance of moslem values], in Australia, and would allow Sharia law to get its foot in the door [within Australia], need only examine how moslems themselves [within Australia!], in unguarded moments, candidly describe ISLAM/Sharia and its intent towards us, 'disbelievers'....

IMAGE...

August 4, 2005
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.
"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by brumbie on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:09pm

Welll that"s it for me,born in Australia,reared in the UK mostly,served in both armies.
You've just lost us unless you support us.This is not a game of politics anymore.This you are about to see.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:19pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:40pm:

I don't believe that you have not connected the dots of all those 'extremist loons'. They are always called something Abdul or Ali or Mohammed or Abu this or that.

There has never been a bloodsoaked Buddhist standing over a corpse in a Western city, chanting 'Ummmm'. This must trike you as exraordinary.
That there have been plenty of Allahu Akhbar boys, on the other hand, is startling and unbelievable news to you.

Because your have shoved your own head up your own arse just so you will not have to hear, see, think.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:22pm

brumbie wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Welll that"s it for me,born in Australia,reared in the UK mostly,served in both armies.
You've just lost us unless you support us.This is not a game of politics anymore.This you are about to see.

Murders happen all the time - and will continue to happen in the future.

This will be dealt with by the criminal courts like any other crime.

Its not as if a foreign Jet fighter flew over London and dropped white phosphorus and depleted Uranium tipped shells

That would be dealt with quite differently

That would

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:38pm

Another butcher's blow for multicultural harmony in the name of Islam. Allahu Akhbar, as they say.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:48pm

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:40pm:

Yes that Timothy Mcveigh was such a devout Muslim and Anders Breivik was too as is Fred Phelps and ... Oh yes David Koresh and Martin Bryant and Ivan Milat! Charlie Manson was an Imam I am lead to believe as was the Unabomber. Fred and Rosemary West. Were they Wahhabi? I'm not sure. That Fritzel guy was definitely good mates with Osama. The IRA? Definitely some weird Islamic sect as were the Basque seperatists and the Tamil Tigers.

I mean every single person who has committed an horrific crime against humanity is a Muslim. Right? And if not, then we should ship out everyone that isn't a white Christian ... Of course that would leave us with the pedophiles but you are probably OK with that as you don't seem to be calling for all Catholics to be deported.

Idiot.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:59pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:48pm:

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:40pm:

Do not tell me that you are utterly incapable of telling the difference between a crime committed in the name of Islam and all other crimes, committed in the name of all the different and unrelated causes that you listed.

Do not tell me that you do not perceive that there is a distinct stream of crimes committed in the name of Islam. Because everyone else readily perceives it, from governments down to ordinary people.

You must be a smacking unique moron to be oblivious to it all.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Quantum on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:10am

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:48pm:

A world tour spanning decades and the most you can come up with is half a dozen names.

I don't think anyone here is claiming or believes that every single Muslim is a terrorist and that every single non Muslim is an absolute saint. But there are simply far too many crimes being committed in western nations by what is a minority group. If you have a society of 1000 people and only 20 of those people have red hair - if 1 out of 2 crimes is committed by red haired people, is it so wrong to ask; "what's the story with these red haired bastards?".

Muslims are still a small percentage of the UK population, but look how many violent crimes they commit. Just because some white atheist chops his neighbour up with an axe doesn't suddenly mean that the large proportion of crimes committed by Islam should simply be ignored. Violent crimes by Muslims are happening far to often in western nations for it to simply be deflected as; 'but it is not just Muslims who do bad things...'

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Spot of Borg on May 24^th, 2013 at 4:31am

Quantum wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:10am:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 11:48pm:

Do you know these guys names? It is saying on the news now that they werent connected with any sects or groups. They just went on a murdering rampage.

SOB

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:20am

41]
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 8^th, 1970 at 9:35pm:

Why all the Muslims? the great majority of them want to work, live and raise their families in peace.

Surely you're not tarring them all with the same brush?

But they ARE all tarred with the same brush. It's called 'Islam' ~ and it lends itself to violent radicalisation against the non-believer ... particularly white Christians of the developed Western world.

The parents of the London 7/7 underground bombings were appalled at what their children had done. It's a generational religious disease that for the most part remains dormant, but with the potential for mass-murder.

It's a game of Russian Roulette as to which future offspring of your ... "lovely, honest, peaceful Muslim people" ..will suddenly 'get religion' (like the Boston bombers did) ~ and blow the legs off your grandchildren or your great grand children.

All I am personally saying is for God sake don't bring any more of these potentially lethal people into our country. As their numbers increase, so does the chance of a nutter amongst them going feral with an "Allahu Akbar!" murder rampage.

Do you really believe we're not going to have our own public bloodbath at the hands of some Muslim nutters?

It's only a matter of time. 20 of these would-be terrorists were apprehended before they could kill any one, and are now languishing in jail. One day one of them will slip through the filter.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 8^th, 1970 at 9:35pm:

I know some lovely, honest, peaceful Muslim people that I'd hate to see sent back to wherever, they happen to like it here and I'm sure they're not thinking about chopping anyone's head off.

;D ;D

So did I during my working life. I'm sure they're wonderful people, but it still remains that they are carriers of a lethal ideological gene that hates the Unbeliever. Islam is a sexually transmitted disease. Their children and offspring in the generations yet to come will always be suggestible to radicalisation.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:22am

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:22pm:

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Fu.co off cnt. You make me sick.

Take a look in the mirror you discusting peice of work.

well well well...it didn't take much to strip back the facade of morality, and have you freely admit to what you accuse me of.

Black men murdering
islamists beheading people
SWPL faggots loathing themselves.

The stereotypes hold. One might even say that all is accordance with the divine plan.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by KJT1981 on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:23am

Quote:

So did I during my working life. I'm sure they're wonderful people, but it still remains that they are carriers of a lethal ideological gene that hates the Unbeliever. Islam is a sexually transmitted disease. Their children and offspring in the generations yet to come will always be suggestible to radicalisation.

You got that right. Cousins marrying Aunts and Uncles, brothers and sisters marrying cousins. No wonder they are bloody mad.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:25am

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Rascists like you, for example, would make a bomb if they could.

But you can't, so just trawl the internet. Right?

Wrong. But that's not going to deter you in future from repeating this little fictionalised version of who I am.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by KJT1981 on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:28am

Quote:

Halfwit Muslim lover.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Quantum on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:02am

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

So they tried to take the cops out as well.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:24am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Who says Muslim's can't be trusted?

;D ;D

The Koran says so ... and half the imams in mosques throughout the Western world are preaching anti-Western social values to their young and attentive congregation.

An undercover investigation by a newspaper in the UK discovered prayer rooms up and down the country that were privately preaching hatred of Western values and the infidel British mainstream. It's all on Google... and this reporter had it all on secret video tape.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:08pm:

If they commit murder and rape they will be punished just like anyone else.

But the point is, by what authority do they commit mass-murder and 'race-rape' of infidel Christian girls? Do I really need to spell it out?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:08pm:

They certainly don't get pissed or run around in skanky outfits,

;D ;D

I knew Muslims who drank as hard as I did. And who invented 'Belly-Dancers' (the early version of Pole-Dancers) ... ?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:08pm:

but surely they add something to our country...

I like shish-kebabs the same as the next Infidel, but not at the cost of not knowing where the next bomb to the Glory of Allah is going to go off.

They dress their girls in hijabs as a signal to the host Australian people that they are not for being girlfriends or marriage. That puts me offside right from the start.

No people should be on our immigration list if their religion or culture forbids their womenfolk from marrying the locals. Our women who marry their men must convert to Islam as part of this arrangement.

This demonstrates intolerance of the very same multicultural ideal that the rest of us are supposed to embrace - or be called bigots and racists.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Muslims have built beautiful mosques, so their architecture alone is adding something, surely.

I agree.

BUT! Mosques are the concrete manifestation of an immigrant people who do not share our social values and our Western ideals. Even in prayer, the women are relegated to the back of the mosque behind a screen, like so much cattle.

I can see you're a good and nice person, Pansi, and I hope you continue to be a good friend to your Muslim friends.

But there's a lot more to the recent importation of Immigrant Islam into the West than friendships at a personal level.

There are a whole raft of issues to do with pressures from their leaders and lobbyists to alter our laws to accommodate their religious idiosyncrasies.

8 MacDonalds outlets in Sydney no longer serve any pig products... bacon, pork, etc. And the meat is all halal.

While 'multiculturalism' is being forced upon the rest of us ~ Muslim mono-culturalism never gets a slap on the wrist or a finger-wagging from our politicians.

It's a creeping colonisation of the Australian homeland. Whole suburbs are now emptied of Australians who for generations once lived there. The language is Arabic there now.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by buzzanddidj on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:26am

adelcrow wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:46pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:38pm:

woof woof wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:

its what they are representing that should be of concern..............

A statement from the Muslim Council of Britain said:

"This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly.
Our thoughts are with the victim and his family"

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/latest/17290085/appalling-attack-in-britain-likely-terrorist-related-pm/

But Buzz...we should only listen to the rantings of the killers..not an organisation representing Muslim Brits.
You're not playing the game the media wants us to play :D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Baronvonrort on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:15am

buzzanddidj wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

adelcrow wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:46pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:38pm:

woof woof wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:

its what they are representing that should be of concern..............

But Buzz...we should only listen to the rantings of the killers..not an organisation representing Muslim Brits.
You're not playing the game the media wants us to play :D

When the church denies they have a problem with pedophilia i guess you leftist twits should believe them if you treat all religions equally.

So why is it ok to call bullshit on the churches claims regarding pedophilia yet not ok to call bullshit on Islamic claims terror is unislamic when there have been over 20,000 terror attacks by muslims since 9/11?

The church is in denial over pedophilia and muslims are in denial with Islamic terror yet leftists believe the lies from muslims over the origins of Islamic terror.

www.quran.com/47/4

www.quran.com/5/33

www.quran.com/9/5

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by gandalf on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:35am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

half the imams in mosques throughout the Western world are preaching anti-Western social values to their young and attentive congregation

half eh? Is that exactly 50%, or give or take a few per cent?

Been to every mosque in the western world and listened to every sermon to come to this conclusion have you Herb. My you must be busy.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 11:12am

When 'No Smoking' in restaurants, pubs, and cafes was brought into NSW, someone complained that in Muslim cafes they were still smoking their hookahs.

The politicians and law makers then went into a huddle, and later emerged from their meeting with the declaration that smoking in Muslim cafes was okay because .. it was 'traditional' and 'cultural'.

Are you beginning to see the picture here, Pansi?

When NSW universities set aside a hall for inter-denominational prayer meetings ~ no one had a problem with sharing this hall according to a time schedule for the different religions.

Except for one.

It wasn't the Hindus, or the Buddhists, the Catholics or the Protestants. Not even the Taoists or the Sun Worshippers.

Guess which one demanded ~ and got ~ a separate room specially and exclusively set aside for them?

Give up?

8-)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by athos on May 24^th, 2013 at 11:20am

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by athos on May 24^th, 2013 at 11:25am

Beheaded British soldier.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 24^th, 2013 at 11:46am

buzzanddidj wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

That statement from the Muslim Council of Britain are a bare faced lies.

Just like these lies [below] from the Muslim Council of Britain......

from The muslim council of Britain - the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims:

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656i

n.b.

"......There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts [violence against disbelievers] in our faith."
The muslim council of Britain - the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims:

A PROPOSITION IN LOGIC;
The contents of ISLAM's own foundation texts, the Koran and Hadith, and the unguarded declarations of many moslems themselves,
....ARE A WITNESS AGAINST THE CRIMINAL INTENT OF MOSLEMS - TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE NOT MOSLEMS.iAGAIN;

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - ISLAM'S PROPHET AND ARGUABLY, THE AUTHOR OF OF ALL OF ISLAM'S THEOLOGY

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

AGAIN;

FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Google;
how islam divides the world, Dar al-Harb

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 11:48am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

half eh? Is that exactly 50%, or give or take a few per cent?

Been to every mosque in the western world and listened to every sermon to come to this conclusion have you Herb. My you must be busy.

I'm not surprised you're feeling defensive about this. You've got a lot to be defensive about, if the Koran is anything to go by.

The various bombings have released journalists from the former taboo against investigating the dangers of Immigrant Islam.

In fact, most of the whistle-blowing comes from Muslims themselves who witness their own imams saying things that alarm them for being a call to radicalisation and hostility towards the host people.

There was the case of a white Christian American woman journalist who attended a mosque in the US on one of those days when it was 'Open House' for the general public to come pay them a visit. (We have that here in Sydney too. Annual Open Day invitations).

She heard the imam giving a talk in English. Nice, good, motherhood statements about how Islam accepts everyone no matter what your religion. Love and warm cuddles all around.

And then afterwards, they had a prayer meeting for the Arabic-speakers. She attended this too... and didn't she get a shock.

This was during the War in Iraq. This same imam then preached the most vile hatred against America and everything it stood for. No one knew that this Anglo-looking woman could speak perfect Arabic.

We have snakes-in-the-grass now living amongst us ~ (besides yourself, of course).

There are vile madrassas throughout the West just as there is in Pakistan and Indonesia.

In fact, John Howard gave the Indonesian government a sh!tload of money for the specific purpose of trying to bribe them into monitoring their Islamic schools for the purpose of weeding-out the preaching of anti-Western extremism.

Have a Nice Day, grandmuffti. 8-)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

half the imams in mosques throughout the Western world are preaching anti-Western social values to their young and attentive congregation

half eh? Is that exactly 50%, or give or take a few per cent?

Been to every mosque in the western world and listened to every sermon to come to this conclusion have you Herb. My you must be busy.

Proof ???

Google YouTube;
undercover mosque

AND;

Quote:

"The Undercover Mosque: The return"
"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about,
'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'."

then....

Quote:

"Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says....."

Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals [moslems] don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue....."
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/the-undercover-mosque/3183906#transcript

Moslems are just like the serpent in the garden.

They are lying to us.

Their 'father'.....

Google;
allah, greatest deceiver

Google;
one of allah's 99 names, deceiver ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:22pm:

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:

red baron wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

See all those boatloads of Muslims landing up north? That's your, mine, our future right there.

Can't wait for September, even then, we've got tens of thousands of the bastards, living here, sponging off us.

God knows how many of those are carrying a grudge against us white dickheads.

Dickheads because we a re f....g our country over for future generations by letting them invade the bloody place...thanks Labor..thanks Juliar.

Fu.co off cnt. You make me sick.

Take a look in the mirror you discusting peice of work.

with maths skills like that you really should work for the christine milne.
just a straw poll at work today , amongst mainly middle aged women with kids, reveals about 70 % of the population just dont like muslims. you can pass a law saying they should but this would be a silly law.
and when people like your good self defend them, i would estimate that you will get that number up to 80 % fairly quickly.

i think asian imigration is a win/win. they work hard and will teach us a good work ethic.
i think muslim immigration is just lose/lose.
there are plenty of chinese who want to come here and i feel quite safe on a train with 10 chinese. maybe not so with 10 africans. call me racist, i call it realist

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:31pm

Yadda - your posts are too long to read & full of religious dogma.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bambu on May 24^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

This is where pussyfooting around with hate preachers, members of banned terrorist groups, and thugs gets you;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329951/Woolwich-attack-How-MI5-ex-prisoner-sights-preached-Poundland-just-yards-murder-scene.html

Betrayal of a hero father: How MI5 spent EIGHT YEARS . watching violent ex-prisoner who preached outside Poundland just yards from murder scene only days before soldier was hacked to death

. MI5 had been monitoring two fanatics responsible for SE London killing
. One fanatic was photographed behind hate preacher Anjem Choudary
. Michael Adebolajo, 28, was also a member of a banned terrorist group
. He was said to have preached jihad in Woolwich just earlier this week
. Close to where married father Lee Rigby was beheaded on Wednesday
. Second suspect named last night in reports as Michael Adebowale, 22

One of the pair – Michael Adebolajo – was so high profile he was photographed outside Paddington Green police station six years ago behind notorious hate preacher Anjem Choudary.
He was even intercepted by officials as he attempted to travel to Somalia to fight alongside Islamist terrorists last year.

It also emerged that Adebolajo was a violent ex-prisoner who was a member of a banned terrorist group.
Incredibly, he was said to have been preaching jihad on the streets of Woolwich earlier this week, only a few hundred yards from where 25-year-old Army Drummer Lee Rigby – a married father – was beheaded.

Previously: Michael Adebolajo was in a group of Muslim extremists who fought with police outside the Old Bailey in 2006. He had been arguing that he had the right to 'behead those who insult Islam'.

#####

Watching, monitoring, looking into...next minute a young soldier is hacked to death and beheaded on the streets of London.

Doing is what's required.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

Bambu ~ it just confirms that lack of political will on the part of Western politicians is what's giving these Islamic lunatics a free kick every time.

The UK is the country which took 8 years of dithering and hand-wringing before they would allow a known Islamic firebrand to be extradited to the US.

It's the same country where they couldn't muster enough backbone amongst the whole pathetic lot of them to deport another fanatic to Jordan because it might infringe his 'human rights'.

England DESERVES to be shät upon from a great height ~ with contempt ~ by the Muslims. They are quite correct in believing the British leadership is composed of eunuchs, faggots, mummy's boys, and bed-wetters.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 24^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Yadda - your posts are too long to read & full of religious dogma.

hey bobby,

I have experienced being banned on an internet forum, coz the atheists on that forum objected to my expressed views.

You should lobby here, to get anyone who expresses 'religious dogma' on OzPol banned too.

bobby,

We should always try to gag the views of people who don't agree with us, and people who hold views which we don't want to be exposed to.

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

You are a bigot bobby, in just the same way that moslems are bigots.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 24^th, 2013 at 1:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

Herbert,

I can NOT disagree with you.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:10pm

Yadda wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Yadda - your posts are too long to read & full of religious dogma.

Dear Yadda,
you're a religious nutcase who sees everything through the veil of the bible -
a silly old book full of nonsense.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:17pm

Pointless and lame platitudes offered to excuse this barbarity in a London street in the middle of the day in the name of Islam mean bugger all. These maggots murdered a 25 year old soldier who is married with a 2 year old little boy in the most horrible of ways. They then stood around hands covered in the victim's blood still brandishing a meat clever spouting the usual uneducated Muslim Sh!t and waiting for the police so they could murder law enforcement officers. Islam and all Muslims need to be made to regret that their brethren ever contemplated actions such as this; they should suffer in the most severe of ways and they should suffer en masse.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:19pm

Yadda wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Herbert,

I can NOT disagree with you.

Yes you CAN if you really try!

I'm giving you special dispensation to disagree with me, just like I did with gandalf who was making me sick with his grovelling acceptance of everything I was posting up about Muslims.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

Again ...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:24pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Yadda - your posts are too long to read & full of religious dogma.

;D ;D ;D

After Yadda's 6697 posts ~ NOW he tells him... !

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:26pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:10pm:

Dear Yadda,

you're a religious nutcase who sees everything through the veil of the bible -

Thank you.

Its true.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:28pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Yadda - your posts are too long to read & full of religious dogma.

;D ;D ;D

After Yadda's 6697 posts ~ NOW he tells him... !

LOL - I wonder if anyone reads his ridiculous posts?

They go on & on & on & on.................. :)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Hot Breath on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:46pm

Yadda wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:10pm:

Dear Yadda,

you're a religious nutcase who sees everything through the veil of the bible -

Thank you.

Its true.

You do realise it was an insult, don't you? I see no difference between you and the Muslim extremists you're always attacking... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by muso on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm

At least inthe UK they had a Muslim who is leading the charge against this kind of barbarity. He's actually locking horns with extremists and appearing on TV. I watched him on BBC World News last night. He has formed a group that's trying to tackle the extremists.

He's articulate and presents well. We need somebody like that in Australia. Perhaps Walid Ali ?

Two Nigerians - say no more. I think the woman who kept them busy while he had a meat cleaver in his hand was the real hero. Her son posted something on Facebook to say " My mum is a badass"

With tragedies like this, the human spirit often shines through.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 24^th, 2013 at 5:31pm

muso wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

He's articulate and presents well. We need somebody like that in Australia. Perhaps Walid Ali ?

;D ;D

Waleed Aly? You can't be serious. He's laughing his nuts off at us. Seen his token white wife? Couldn't leave her to remain a Christian ~ Oh no sirree.

'Multicultural Australia' ...? Not for him, you Australian suckers.

She had to 'convert'. He had to demonstrate his macho Muslim credentials by having her wrapped up like a piece of private property to parade in front of his Muslim community like a prize camel.

This is the guy who was in evasion-mode when the Boston thing blew up. Tim Blair wrote an article in which he cited Waleed Aly as one of the many public commentators who had bent over backwards to avoid using the words Islam, or Muslims.

muso wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Two Nigerians - say no more.

No way. They converted to Islam as UK-born sons of Christian Nigerian immigrants.

The British authorities watched them for years as they preached extremist hatred in public. The feminisation of the British leadership these past few decades has bred generations of limp-wristed bed-wetters who are too scared to offend everyone except the native Britisher himself.

Once again we see Muslim nutters staying well clear of harming a politician.

For as long as they target the ordinary civilian they know it'll be business as usual soon enough for those who remain to carry on their jihad.

There'll be no draconian backlash.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:44pm

nice young bloke
father
popular
his mates say great sense of humor.

how about the human rights lawyers run a lawsuit against the local imans who preached to the nigerians and confiscate the local muslim assets.

i'm sure there's a link along the lines of "duty of care"
put the money in a fund for his kids
hit em where it hurts, send em broke, no more crocodile tears from the muslim leadership

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Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

This is a criminal act to be dealt by law enforcement and the court system

You can of course do what the USA did post 9/11 and begin invading and bombing nations that were not directly involved with the 9/11 attacks and stealing their resources under the corporate US umbrella.

I suppose the UK can acknowledge that these criminals were of Nigerian background, and then send its military into Iran or Nauru and corporatize their assets under a UK umbrella

great for profits I hear - its called fascism in the dictionary

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Morning Mist on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

Aqua, he's white, male, and British. The human rights lawyers won't have a bar of him.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Big Dave on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:02pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

I suppose you enjoyed the world when we had Saddam Hussein and acid throwing Afghan lunatics running amok.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

muso wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

He's articulate and presents well. We need somebody like that in Australia. Perhaps Walid Ali ?

Two Nigerians - say no more.

didn't take your medication today?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:17pm

Its important that we do not let terrorists or libertarians weaken our will to fight for the welfare state, taxation, tariffs and economic justice...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:19pm

You right wingers do not speak for us Christians...an eye for an eye is against Jesus teachings...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:25pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

muso wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

He's articulate and presents well. We need somebody like that in Australia. Perhaps Walid Ali ?

"Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise."
Koran 2.221

ISLAM is an intolerant and duplicitous mono-culture.

ISLAM only supports multiculturalism where ISLAM is still one of the minorities.

Just ask a moslem, here in Australia, if he supports multiculturalism !

The answer will always be a big, fat, "YES, of course!!!"

If you want to see how moslems typically 'embrace' multiculturalism, within a moslem majority jurisdiction, visit Saudi Arabia!

Google;
saudi maid abuse

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:29pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:43am:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:28am:

all are forgiven

be at peace

namaste

Dear master Light,

hacking an innocent man to death with a machete cannot be forgiven.

namaste

It must be forgiven, we are forbidden by Jesus to take revenge...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Amadd on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:02pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:43am:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:28am:

all are forgiven

be at peace

namaste

Dear master Light,

hacking an innocent man to death with a machete cannot be forgiven.

namaste

It must be forgiven, we are forbidden by Jesus to take revenge...

What do you think Jesus would do if you did happen to take revenge?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Grey on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Amadd on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:25pm

I'm sure you can provide some wisdom Grey ::)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:40pm

Amadd wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:43am:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:28am:

all are forgiven

be at peace

namaste

Dear master Light,

hacking an innocent man to death with a machete cannot be forgiven.

namaste

It must be forgiven, we are forbidden by Jesus to take revenge...

What do you think Jesus would do if you did happen to take revenge?

You simply will have excluded yourself from a place in the Kingdom of God for the wicked and violent cannot be a part of that. And that exclusion will be a torment to them throughout eternity...

Can I recommend you download the esword program which is free Bible software and there are hundreds of modules of bibles, concordances, dictionaries, theology books and other christian works to add to it. It is a fine resource....

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2013 at 5:57am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

muso wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

He's articulate and presents well. We need somebody like that in Australia. Perhaps Walid Ali ?

Two Nigerians - say no more.

didn't take your medication today?

i thought his reply was quite good. whatever medication he's on, i might get some myself. ;)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 5:59am

Hitlers natural law ideology has no place in a civilized world...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

unfair grey, bit of a difference between comments and hacking an innocent to death with a meatcleaver.

if the nigerians had just said some 'comments' to the young father of 2 , he may be at home now saying some 'comments' to his baby children and wife. :(

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:01am

All Britons Muslim and non Muslim alike need to unite to end the war, re establish order and stability and rebuild the welfare state....

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:07am

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 5:59am:

Hitlers natural law ideology has no place in a civilized world...

hitler was true evil and he had to be exterminated.
true evil needs extermination.
hacking people to death is true evil and anyone who supports such acts is complicit.
any imans or mosques that in any way utter one word of sympathy or encouragement for these 2 nigerians need to closed, sold, demolished and deported.

what is this crazy "neville chamberlain' peace in our times" rubbish.

now a nuclear strike on mecca at the height of ramadan is out of the question, but strikes on the hate preaching madrases with drones may be acceptable. what does it gain the west to allow this stuff to continue. nothing.
would the maddrasses use drones if they had them to target the west...yes, undoubtedly.

dont be stalin in 1941, open your eyes and eliminate the treu evil.

do you deny that madrasses preaching only hate and murder to child suicide bombers are true evil?

we cull great white sharks (harmless majestic creatures)
now, go cull some loonies, plz and quickly :)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:19am

These are social problems that can only be overcome by a concerted effort for peace, unity order, Big Government, High Taxes, tariffs and rebuilding the welfare state...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:58am

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:19am:

These are social problems that can only be overcome by a concerted effort for peace, unity order, Big Government, High Taxes, tariffs and rebuilding the welfare state...

the ones in yellow are wrong corp.

we can rebuild peace once we rid the world of the vermin :), dont make peace with a viper, you'll just get hurt, blow that f*ker up

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:05am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

didn't take your medication today?

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 5:57am:

i thought his reply was quite good. whatever medication he's on, i might get some myself. ;)

You're very welcome. Ask your doctor to make out prescriptions for...

Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg
Frusemide (Lasix) 20 mg
Ramipril 2.5 mg
Aspirin (enteric) 100 mg.

ENJOY! :)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:28am

bump

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by KJT1981 on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:31am

corporate_whitey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:43am:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:28am:

all are forgiven

be at peace

namaste

Dear master Light,

hacking an innocent man to death with a machete cannot be forgiven.

namaste

It must be forgiven, we are forbidden by Jesus to take revenge...

Hey fatso, does that mean you won't be suing Tip Top?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:58am

Britain doesn't have an official 'Multiculturalism' policy like Australia has.

In other words, they don't officially enshrine immigrant foreign nationalities ~ with all of their alien social values ~ as being just as valid and just as much on an equal footings as the culture and identity of the host people.

And yet the British leadership has long since signed away its sovereignty and its balls to the European Union, the International Law Court at The Hague, and to the International Socialists who predominate at UN headquarters.

If there is to be a solution to the home-grown Muslim terrorist problem, then it will only come through the auspices of a Conservative government that doesn't give a rat's-arse about foreign opinion of its methods for clearing Britain of its home-grown enemies who are schooled by Muslim imams and 'teachers' to hate the West and do violence to its citizens.

The programme would include:

Mass enforced deportations of Muslims and their entire families (the Swiss model) of those suspected of holding to anti-Western views and sentiments would be one of the principle methods used.

Capital Punishment for perpetrators of acts of terrorism that causes loss of life or permanent disability.

Significant monetary rewards for whistle-blowers and informers of suspicious behaviour and activities.

Every adult Muslim in the country to answer an extensive questionnaire to determine if their religious views and beliefs on a whole range of social issues disqualifies them from holding British citizenship papers and passport ~ born in Britain or not.

As is currently available in France ~ financial incentive packages will be offered to Muslims who opt to return to their country of ancestral origin.

***

The current prime minister of Britain believes Islam has nothing to do with this latest atrocity. That's how deluded this Useful Idiot for aggressive Islam is.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:34am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 5:59am:

Hitlers natural law ideology has no place in a civilized world...

If there is such a thing as true evil, there must also be such a thing as true good.

Know anyone who embodies this?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by adelcrow on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:34am

And yet two children killing an old lady in her own home with kitchen knives in Callington several years ago hardly made the news outside of SA.
Children in a country town killing an old lady for kicks is less important than a couple of nutbags in London killing a soldier in the name of Allah ..sadly thats the world we live in

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:39am

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

That's because crimes by abos tend to be swept under the rug.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by adelcrow on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am

... wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

That's because crimes by abos tend to be swept under the rug.

Two white kids and I think one of them was the local coppers son ..but I suppose if they were the kids of Muslim reffos the world would have been outraged

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:45am

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:14am:

Hang em and hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Hang the bastards in public.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:02am

repeat

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by BigOl64 on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:04am

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

That is a turn up for the books, in SA it is normally adults killing children. Well SA is the serial killer capital of Australia, something you all should be proud of.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:10am

None of you right wingers speak for us Christians...we do not believe in an eye for an eye...

Christians are forbidden to rebel...

Christians believe in the welfare state, big Government, high taxes, tariffs, jobs for life...

Christians are not allowed to fight in the army or kill, we are not permitted to defend ourselves or earn blood money through violence...The Bible absolutely forbids it...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 25^th, 2013 at 12:53pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

That's rubbish Whitey -
the Bible commands Christians to kill:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Quote:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Morning Mist on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

If it had been a white guy with any sentiments of nationalism who had done such a thing you'd be screaming "Nazi," "Nazi," "Nazi" and frothing at the mouth with moral tirades.

But because it's a Muslim and the victim was white, it's just a "tragedy".

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:23pm

... wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 5:59am:

Hitlers natural law ideology has no place in a civilized world...

If there is such a thing as true evil, there must also be such a thing as true good.

Logically, it does not necessarily follow.

but....

Quote:

Know anyone who embodies this?

Yes.

My God.

My God is truth and light, and love.

1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:29pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

That's rubbish Whitey -
the Bible commands Christians to kill:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Quote:

bobby,

Your bible quotes, are completely wrong/mistaken.

bobby,

Here are some bible quotes for you, about;

O.T. BIBLE LAWS WHICH APPLY TO >> HEBREW << COVENANT BREAKERS [duh!!!!!];

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238715411/458#458

and some more, here;

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294224584/11#11i

bobby,

Q.
Why are there so many ignorant gits in the world ?

A.
They are opinionated, ......AND, IGNORANT/UNINFORMED, because they love to wallow in ignorance.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:14am:

Hang em and hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Hang the bastards in public.

I say hang teh ignorant gits!!!

Because being uninformed, wanting to live a willfully ignorant life, is the cause of most of the evil in this world.

Whereas, if people were willing to inform themselves about what is true, their consciences would then speak to them, and those people would not allow wickedness to be near them.

But so many people, just want to wallow in their [opinionated] ignorance.

[the opinions of the ignorant are formed, based on what allows them to experience pleasure.
whatever allows them to experience pleasure, is deemed to be good.
what prevents them from experiencing pleasure, is deemed to be evil.
and the willful ignorance remains.]

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:48pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Isn't that the truth though.

And then we have the British prime minister desperate to tell everyone this had "nothing to do with Islam" ... just as Bush did following the tragedy of 9/11.

"Nothing to do with Islam".

So which Muslim sects have nothing to do with Islam ~ after all ~ they're blowing each other up by the score?

They can't all be the genuine thing if they're blowing up their competitors. Religion of Peace, remember? Non violence.

Somebody should have asked David Campbell to tell us which is the 'real' Islam.

Which is the 'True Islam' version? Which ones can we discount as the phonies and the frauds ... Shia? Sunni? Wahhabi?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

That's rubbish Whitey -
the Bible commands [b]Christians to kill:[/b]

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Quote:

Your quotes are taken from the Old Testament - the TOrah - the bible for the Jews.

Christians follow the New Testament - the Gospels

Where in the Gospels or in the life of Jesus does it command Christians to kill?

You may be confusing Jews with Christians - Jews reject Christianity remember?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:53pm

bump

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:53pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

corporate_whitey,

All of your posts that i have seen, are dedicated to one objective.

You are just trying to muddy teh waters.

To obfuscate.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

You are merely a malicious git.

I would like to know what is motivating you.

But i have a fair idea.

You are a person who hates truth.

Too bad.

People like yourself, will lose.

Truth wins.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:59pm

You Atgheists do not speak for us Christians, our beliefs and you do not interpret the Bible for us...the Bible absolutely forbids violence of any kind from Christians, it forbids revenge, it forbids an eye for an eye end of story....

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:48pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

The ISLAM of the Koran, is the 'True ISLAM'.

The Koran is >> the << primary foundation text of ISLAM.

And therefore, the content of the Koran, must be an accurate reflection of the values which ISLAM projects into the hearts of all true moslems.....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

Moslems insist that ISLAM is a tolerant and peaceful religion.

It is not.

AND;

All moslems living among us [in the West] are deceitful and duplicitous lying scum, who are INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting ISLAM to their host nations.iGoogle;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-wariThe words of an ISLAMIC scholar...

Quote:

London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

A PROPOSITION IN LOGIC;
The contents of ISLAM's own foundation texts, the Koran and Hadith, and the unguarded declarations of many moslems themselves,
....ARE A WITNESS AGAINST THE CRIMINAL INTENT OF MOSLEMS - TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE NOT MOSLEMS.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:31pm

Yadda wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

Your projecting what you yourself are doing, the Bible makes it very clear, Christians are forbidden to retaliate violence with violence and to repay evil with evil...on the contrary we must bless those who curse us...the Bible is absolutely clear and unambiguous on this...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:37pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Really?

Which community was to blame for the Breveik shooting?

We were all rightly disgusted by it , but I didn't hear any calls to expel white people from Norway.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Morning Mist on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:47pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Really?

Which community was to blame for the Breveik shooting?

We were all rightly disgusted by it , but I didn't hear any calls to expel white people from Norway.

Considering whites are indigenous to Norway it would be a stupid proposition anyway.

I am not sure if you're familiar with Grey's posting history, but he is fervently anti-nationalism. Calling those who display any national sentiment a "Nazi" is one of his favourite comebacks.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

The Bible is vividly clear that Christians are foprbidden from hating their enemies or taking revenge...we are commanded to love our enemies, pray for them and bless them. There is no mistaking this....The will of God is clear....

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 25^th, 2013 at 3:08pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Yadda wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

Doesn't change the fact that you are a very deceitful person.

Pretending in this forum, to have embraced something which you have not.

And you don't have a care [about that], i know.

You are a SATANIST.

John 8:44

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 3:23pm

Right wing anarchists and libertarians are Nazis....lets not kid ourselves, history is irrefutable on this...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 25^th, 2013 at 3:49pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

The Bible is vividly clear that Christians are forbidden from hating their enemies or taking revenge...we are commanded to love our enemies, pray for them and bless them. There is no mistaking this....The will of God is clear....

Rubbish:

http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm

Quote:

“Thou Shall Not Ignore the Old Testament!”

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament and Law Contradictions:

I hear so many Christians now a days claim that the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a BRIEF list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it! After this section I shall list where the Bible contradicts itself concerning other laws.

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 4:20pm

The Biblem makes it clear Christians are not allowed to hate their enemies...you right wingers do not speak for us Christians or Jesus...we are forbidden from military service or shedding blood...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by toots on May 25^th, 2013 at 7:47pm

Living a peaceful life in Australia isn't that hard, we ask Muslims to integrate with us in the working environment - come and have a drink with us mate - no thanks, he says. You're offended, he doesn't want to come with you, he says he can't be around alcohol. So really, there's no way he's ever going to fit in. They don't understand our drinking culture, they think we are a mob of degenerates, but don't realize it's a phase that young people go through and come out the other side when they grow up.

I think it's true that Muslim kids are not accepted in Oz and I feel sorry for that, and can understand why they turn to crime but they don't fit in because of their religion that has rules against what we accept as everyday life. So sad.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:19pm

Those two savages should be hung for their crime.
The poor soldier was a musician, and more than likely would not have fired a rifle since basic training, nor served overseas in 'Muslim' lands.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:33pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

they always manage to mix things up.
Was it on the radio the other day I heard some host saying, "I have a picture here of Julia Gillard wearing some muslim headdress visiting some mosque", when in fact she was in some Sikh temple, wearing a turban.
They have no idea what islam is, but assume it's all fine.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:37pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

It's not exactly true, I doubt Jesus would condone someone killing a child for instance, and if he was present at the time of killing he would prevent it, whether it would take words or a weapon, he wouldn't just stand there until the head is chopped off

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by gandalf on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:39pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:19pm:

Those two savages should be hung for their crime.
The poor soldier was a musician, and more than likely would not have fired a rifle since basic training, nor served overseas in 'Muslim' lands.

He was a machine gunner with the Royal Fusiliers - and had served in Afghanistan.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

He was a machine gunner with the Royal Fusiliers - and had served in Afghanistan.

Ooooh - well, then it's kinda... like... ummmhhhmmmm .... er... understandable... on some .... er... level.... right??.. not condoned, oh no!!!.... just... kinda... y'know... ... er... well.... Ummm... undertandable. No?? Sorta... er... oh yes.

With Musims like you, who needs fanatics, Gandy??

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

He was a machine gunner with the Royal Fusiliers - and had served in Afghanistan.

What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:55pm

Torpedo wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Jesus would react non violently and offer up his own life in exchange for the child, he would not use violence...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by gandalf on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

The guy made a statement, it was wrong, I corrected him. Thats all there is to it Soren.

You done being a dick?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

"Nothing to do with Islam", says the idiot who is the prime minister of Britain.

Let's just check out the veracity of this stupidly disingenuous statement, shall we?

Read what the Koran itself says.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by gandalf on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:58pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

[quote author=gandalf link=1369252112/184#184 date=1369478352]
What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

Probably nothing - your point being?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:06pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Torpedo wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Jesus would react non violently and offer up his own life in exchange for the child, he would not use violence...

If someone is psycho they wouldn't submit to words, so what would he do if they didn't listen?
Of course, kill - as a sacrifice :-X

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

[quote author=gandalf link=1369252112/184#184 date=1369478352]
What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

Probably nothing - your point being?

You don't understand the point??? :-?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

Probably nothing - your point being?

Don't embarrass yourself.

It was a self-confessed 'revenge' attack for British soldiers being in Afghanistan.

You knew that: [quote]He was a machine gunner with the Royal Fusiliers - and had served in Afghanistan.

What's the relevance of this little disclaimer by you if you didn't know the killing was related to Afghanistan?

You're tripping up on your own lies now.

I'll ask again:

What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

And your answer: "probably nothing".

You know damn well their connection with Afghanistan is their shared religion, namely: Islam.

Why couldn't you bring yourself to say this?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by gandalf on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:30pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

What's the relevance of this little disclaimer

err to point out a factual error?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

And your answer: "probably nothing".

You know damn well their connection with Afghanistan is their shared religion, namely: Islam.

We don't know yet whether the killers targeted specifically a soldier who had served in Afghanistan, or just any British soldier. Yes they have a shared religion with the people of Afghanistan, but that doesn't necessarily mean a "connection" in the context of this attack. Its quite possible they had no idea he had served in Afghanistan.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

The guy made a statement, it was wrong, I corrected him. Thats all there is to it Soren.

You done being a dick?

A propos being a dick - out of the two of us, I am not the one who regards Muhammed as the best of men.

8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

[quote author=gandalf link=1369252112/184#184 date=1369478352]
What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

Probably nothing - your point being?

The dickhead on the vids ranted about 'our Muslim lands'. He was speaking on your behalf about 'Muslim lands', Gandy - you are a Muslim.

He was talking about his and your lands. He was acting on your land's behalf.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:01pm

Yadda wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:14am:

Hang em and hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Hang the bastards in public.

I say hang the ignorant gits!!!

Because being uninformed, wanting to live a willfully ignorant life, is the cause of most of the evil in this world.

Whereas, if people were willing to inform themselves about what is true, their consciences would then speak to them, and those people would not allow wickedness to be near them.

But so many people, just want to wallow in their [opinionated] ignorance.

[the opinions of the ignorant are formed, based on what allows them to experience pleasure.
whatever allows them to experience pleasure, is deemed to be good.
what prevents them from experiencing pleasure, is deemed to be evil.
and the willful ignorance remains.]

I am glad we agree on the hanging.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:01am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

He was a machine gunner with the Royal Fusiliers - and had served in Afghanistan.

What did these two killers have to do with Afghanistan?

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231

Those two moslem men who hacked that British soldier to death in London were doing 'good works', ISLAMICALLY speaking.

The Jihad, against the local infidel.

+++

All the nations of the world belong to moslems - that is what ISLAM teaches to moslems.

All moslems need do, is to take what is theirs - that is what ISLAM teaches to moslems.

How are moslems to take - what is theirs ?

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

Q.
HOW DOES TERROR WORK ???

A.
By creating a fear of, and 'respect' for, moslems, in the hearts of the infidels.

How ?

Terrorise them.

In the UK, for years, bolder moslems have been promoting, and encouraging fellow moslems to murder natives of the UK.

IMAGE....

Quote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6692243.stm

The mere presence of an infidel in a moslem land, is sufficient reason to kill the infidel.

The moslem land is holy, and the presence of an infidel in a moslem land, pollutes the land.

Moslems want to cleanse the land [the UK!] of that which is polluting it !!

Moslems have already started to declare;
The UK is a moslem land.
Australia is a moslem land.

Therefore, in Australia, in the UK, murdering those who offend ISLAM, is halal.

Why so ?

Because those murders will create fear and 'respect' for moslems, in the hearts of the local infidels.

That is the insanity which we are welcoming into our midst.

"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land....."
Koran 8.067

Koran [8:67 above] is instructive to moslems.

Instructive.

Instructive.

Instructive.

Koran 8.067 means that, it teaches moslems, that they should beleaguer and slaughter the enemies of ISLAM, in the land, so as to terrorise them, and so as to cower them, and to make them afraid of moslems.

So that later, moslems will more easily be able to defeat, and enslave a pliant, fearful enemy of ISLAM.

ISLAM wants all disbelievers, to fear moslems!iPlease watch this YT...
"A non-moslem in a moslem country, is like a cow. You can take him [enslave him], or kill him."
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4i

Quote:

Australia a Muslim nation
October 08, 2006
AUSTRALIA is a Muslim nation, the head of Prime Minister John Howard's Muslim advisory board says.
Dr Ameer Ali says most Australians practise Muslim values but the Muslim community is being alienated and disadvantaged by Islamophobia.
Dr Ali said multiculturalism was Australia's destiny but Muslims, as latecomers, were being disadvantaged.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20545617-1702,00.html

All moslems need do, is to take what is theirs - that is what ISLAM teaches to moslems.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:18am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

Once again you're being deliberately evasive. Stop playing hide-and-seek. You know you're not going to win this one. You'd do better to cut your losses and leave this one alone.

Any British soldier represented for them an Infidel UK military presence in Afghanistan.... and for these two, and their tens-of-thousands of immigrant Muslim sympathisers in Western countries ... that was the motivation for this attack.

It was that Infidels were fighting their 'Muslim brothers' in a foreign land where these two had never been, and didn't understand the language, and couldn't even point it out on a map, and where you couldn't find a Negro if your life depended upon it ~~ but they had a shared religion with them.

It wasn't because British soldiers, per se, were killing Muslims in Afghanistan ~~ plenty of Muslims over there are engaged in combat action against fellow-Muslims ~~ no, it was because the Brit soldiers are Non-Believers.

They didn't think to target a Sunni or a Shia Muslim in London as retribution for the almost daily bombings by one sect or the other that causes dozens of casualties amongst Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere.

Bottom line: By default ~ this killing had everything to do with Islam.

If the British soldiers fighting in Afghanistan were all Muslims ~~ there wouldn't have been a problem.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 26^th, 2013 at 11:14am

gandalf ... ? Helloooooo.... ? Where's he gone? Isn't he back from Sunday church yet? 8-)

Quote:

"The pair told bystanders they were acting in revenge for British wars in Muslim countries".

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bambu on May 26^th, 2013 at 12:35pm

toots wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

Living a peaceful life in Australia isn't that hard, we ask Muslims to integrate with us in the working environment - come and have a drink with us mate - no thanks, he says. You're offended, he doesn't want to come with you, he says he can't be around alcohol. So really, there's no way he's ever going to fit in. They don't understand our drinking culture, they think we are a mob of degenerates, but don't realize it's a phase that young people go through and come out the other side when they grow up.

I think it's true that Muslim kids are not accepted in Oz and I feel sorry for that, and can understand why they turn to crime but they don't fit in because of their religion that has rules against what we accept as everyday life. So sad.

Muslim kids are not accepted?
They're the majority in many parts of Australia!...90-97% in some public schools...public schools in Muslim enclaves...the ones shown on the tv news weather man segments for example.

Muslim kids are not accepted?
Wonder why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

A 16-year-old girl was brought to Gosling Park, Greenacre by someone who she believed was her friend, 17-year-old Mohammed Skaf. At the park she was raped by Mohammed's brother Bilal Skaf and one other man, with twelve other men present who she said were "standing around, laughing and talking in their own language".[6]
The second man held a gun to her head and kicked her in the stomach before she was able to escape.[7]

Another woman was approached by attackers at the Bankstown railway station, who proposed she join them in smoking some cannabis at another location. She agreed and went with them; however she was taken to three separate locations by the men and raped 25 times by a total of fourteen men in an ordeal that lasted six hours.
After the attacks the woman was hosed down with a fire hose. The woman, who was known during the trial as 'C' to protect her identity, later told her story to 60 Minutes.
She told of how the attackers called her an "Aussie Pig", asked her if "Leb .... tasted better than Aussie ...." and explained to her that she would now be raped "Leb-style".

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

toots wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

Living a peaceful life in Australia isn't that hard, we ask Muslims to integrate with us in the working environment - come and have a drink with us mate - no thanks, he says. You're offended, he doesn't want to come with you, he says he can't be around alcohol. So really, there's no way he's ever going to fit in. They don't understand our drinking culture, they think we are a mob of degenerates, but don't realize it's a phase that young people go through and come out the other side when they grow up.

I think it's true that Muslim kids are not accepted in Oz and I feel sorry for that, and can understand why they turn to crime but they don't fit in because of their religion that has rules against what we accept as everyday life. So sad.

I actually personally know of someone who was attacked by muslim in attempt of rape and murder, they managed to escape with the help of white men who happened to be at the scene! the arabs proposed large sum to these men and asked to leave quietly. The motive was "white skinned european whores who deserve to die". True story, some details and location is jotted down in case someone needs it.
White women are endangered around the world, not just in Australia
Not only, in Syria, christian women are killed for religious purposes, in horrible ways, if anyone is prepared to see those dead bodies I am happy to provide photos.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by toots on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm

Yes we hate them and they know it, but if you keep piling hate onto someone, they will eventually hate us back and become our worst nightmare. It's already happening.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bambu on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

Muslim kids not accepted ?

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/parents-say-son-was-tormented-for-eating-salami-sandwich-during-ramadan/story-e6frfkvr-1225797140592

Parents say son was tormented for eating salami sandwich during Ramadan

• Boy "chased, assaulted by Muslim students"
• Was eating salami during Ramadan
• Parents withdraw boy from the school

A SYDNEY couple has withdrawn their two children from a public primary school, claiming their 11-year-old son was bullied by Muslim students because he ate a salami sandwich during Ramadan.

Antonios, a Year 5 student of Greek-Australian background at Punchbowl Public School in Sydney's southwest, said he and a friend had to be locked inside the library for an hour after being chased by a group of Muslim boys offended by his choice of food while they were fasting.

One said her 12-year-old son was scared to open his lunch box at school because he was harassed about what is in it. "He has been bullied from day one ... about being a Christian and about the hot salami in his lunch," she said.

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Then there are the girls...and families;

Seems Aussie girls have learnt to not be caught alone, and now stay in groups.

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/racism-boils-over-in-school-attacks/story-e6frfkvr-1226015710127

video
Pupils' race hate on Facebook explodes at Hoxton Park High School

• Brawl follows racist taunts on Facebook
• Cops forced to lockdown police station
• Parents claim school ignoring problem

IT had been simmering for months, say students, and this is the moment school racism reached boiling point.
A brawl that erupted between a student's relatives and police was the culmination of an R-rated slanging match on Facebook between "Leb" and "Aussie" students.

A 14-year-old student said that she was "jumped" on Wednesday afternoon by "10 Australian girls" who punched, kicked, scratched and spat at her.

"I was very upset and very angry. [Other Muslim children] at school were very angry, too."
The girl said she didn't know why she was singled out by her attackers.
Posts on social networking site Facebook claimed the attack on this girl was in response to a fight between her friends and the group who "jumped" her two weeks ago.
The girl said she called her relatives for help and by 3pm a large crowd of her family and friends had gathered at the front of the school.

They allegedly clashed with police who used capsicum spray to subdue the crowd and arrested six men and women, aged between 26 and 50, who were later charged with offences including affray, intimidation, assaulting police, resisting arrest and offensive language.

Another parent, who wished to remain anonymous, said his son was attacked last year by "Leb students".

The report said police estimated "between 80 to 100" people - predominately young men - surrounded the police station.

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Post by bambu on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

toots wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Yes we hate them and they know it, but if you keep piling hate onto someone, they will eventually hate us back and become our worst nightmare. It's already happening.

And if they keep piling hate, intimidation in all forms, including off beach picnic tables you're already seated at, theft, verbal abuse and jostling of girls/women and old folks at beaches, and bashings fracturing eye sockets of young teen lifeguards? and you don't fight back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYiAAxZWyys

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

toots wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Yes we hate them and they know it, but if you keep piling hate onto someone, they will eventually hate us back and become our worst nightmare. It's already happening.

Is it better to close your eyes on consistent random attacks and wait for one day for something to improve, or is it maybe better to stand against these attacks and retaliate the evil, even though there is a chance to be defeated? Would you feel good if you continued seeing women being oppressed or if you have seen an improvement in our society.
As for me, we need to defend each other's identity, and put a good fight to defend it, they would respect us better too. And if we are ought to die defending, then be it, we die anyway.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bambu on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

Torpedo wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

toots wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Yes we hate them and they know it, but if you keep piling hate onto someone, they will eventually hate us back and become our worst nightmare. It's already happening.

The best form of defence is attack.

Attack...not in Afghanistan etc, but here on home soil.
Build 'Fortress Australia'.

1. Stop all Muslim immigration...as Pauline Hanson and others advised.
2. Pass new laws making spewing forth hatred of Christians and Jews a crime.
3. Pass new laws making it treason to spew forth hatred of Australia and her culture.
3. Pass new laws making the preaching of jihad a crime.

And enforce the new laws with vigour...new secret police squads.

Have a new DECLINED rubber stamp made for use on visa applications.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:47pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Really?

Which community was to blame for the Breveik shooting?

We were all rightly disgusted by it , but I didn't hear any calls to expel white people from Norway.

Because white people are not late migrants to Norway.
Nobody calls for Muslim extremists to be expelled from Saudi either.

However if they come to our country, they tow the line or they bugger off.

I am no fan of the EDL and it attracts some football violence idiots out to smash up the local wetherspoons but there is a genuine belief around Britain right now that we have allowed things to get out of hand.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:52pm

toots wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Yes we hate them and they know it, but if you keep piling hate onto someone, they will eventually hate us back and become our worst nightmare. It's already happening.

When Muslims stop making the news for all the wrong reasons, then we'll stop talking about them.

Sydney's nightly TV news service ALWAYS carries a story about some sort of criminal mischief in Sydney by Muslims, or some tragic story from overseas in which Muslims are the perpetrators.

It's up to the 'good' and 'moderate' Muslims to start mobilising themselves against these troublemakers in such a way as to intimidate them into silence and good behaviour.

So far we've had Muslim riots in Sydney during which the great bulk of Sydney's Muslim population stayed at home and didn't intervene on behalf of the police and the Australian community. There were one or two brave souls there ~ but where were all the other 'moderate' Muslims?

These 'moderate' Muslims can whistle up a score of cars filled with their compatriots if there's a problem of some sort. Their mobile phone connection with each other is legendary here in Sydney.

Where were they during this riot? Batteries not recharged?

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Post by bambu on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Really?

Which community was to blame for the Breveik shooting?

We were all rightly disgusted by it , but I didn't hear any calls to expel white people from Norway.

I'm a big fan of the EDL.
Every patriot in Britain should join the EDL, before it's too late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnQtyT064M
60 Minutes EDL and Oz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7otL38HMbc
Coming down the Road - EDL

If Brits don't soon hurry up and start coming down the road with the EDL they won't have any British 'Christian' road left for them to come down.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:01pm

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Torpedo wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

toots wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Yes we hate them and they know it, but if you keep piling hate onto someone, they will eventually hate us back and become our worst nightmare. It's already happening.

new secret police squads sounds good!
Can I join ;)
I am all for banning Islam, Australia is Christian.
In some parts of the world they've already implemented policies to punish for hatred, in France for instance. Let it happen everywhere, I mean, what's going to happen, a war? Give more freedom to police, implement death sentence, come on, the shovel won't move by itself!

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Post by Torpedo on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:02pm

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bambu on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:04pm

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

1. Stop all Muslim immigration...as Pauline Hanson and others advised.

Correct.

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

2. Pass new laws making spewing forth hatred of Christians and Jews a crime.

Wrong.

Censorship of this sort is a double-edged sword. It would be illegal for us to publish on the internet any negative comments and news-bits about Islam and Muslims.

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

3. Pass new laws making it treason to spew forth hatred of Australia and her culture.

Correct ... (except for the 'culture' bit).

Let deportation be the penalty, and let it be law that political criminals such as Paul Keating may no longer over-ride the deportation orders for such loathsome creatures as the former Grand Mufti Sheik Hilaly.

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

3. Pass new laws making the preaching of jihad a crime.

Correct.

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

And enforce the new laws with vigour...new secret police squads.

;D ;D ;D

"Ve haff VAYS of making you TALK, schweinhund!!"

Good stuff, bambu.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bambu on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

It's not like I now don't have any justification for fearing having my head hacked off at any time if I'm out in public.

I am an infidel ...and as such am now a target.

I don't wear an army uniform, but the latest killers in London ranted that "You People Will Never Be Safe".

Their ilk could be driving past and do the same thing to me as they did the soldier.
They could be on my bus.

I demand to be able to carry guns.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:34pm

Guns should be allowed to all white non-muslim men and women, I don't care if they call it discrimination, there isn't much they can do. I feel safer to carry a pistol, nobody defends us. After this latest scene happened in the daylight, in a civilised country... The police took so long to get there, the woman approached the attackers, and everyone just stood there, like sheep. Disgusting
Give me a gun please

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 26^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

the only question I have, is there any random witnesses video recordings, not the media, but ordinary witnesses? I can't find anything on youtube, only media, news ltd, etc

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by toots on May 26^th, 2013 at 3:17pm

The police have proved they can no longer protect the public and it's now reached crisis point. If they can't show they have this under control, all hell will break loose. Maybe something terrible, like this shocking murder, had to happen to get the laws changed.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Aussie on May 26^th, 2013 at 3:41pm

Forget the Police. The western judicial system is corrupt.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by WorldSacred on May 26^th, 2013 at 4:17pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 5:52am:

Psychos exist of all types.

SOB

Goodness me. SOB, psychos may exist in all types of people. However, Muslim people are known for their extreme behaviours of cutting people's heads off for such innocuous things as having bacon on the menu at a fast food restaurant. I have known of one girl that was shot by her father because she liked some boy in her class who wasn't Muslim. He also tried to kill his son because he was friends with said boy, and then he killed his wife and himself because he couldn't live with the shame of being caught out as a child abuser.

I have had to deal with people who think their racial background gives them the right to kill people like myself because my racial background is caucasian. Then they cite history about people who share my racial background and then think that because I look similar, that I should be suffering on their behalf.

I have met people of my race who are psychotic. But atleast they have some semblance of control over their actions, and some form of reasoning to why they are the way they are. The murderers in Britain didn't have that kind of reasoning. They ran the guy down because he was white, and then proceded to end his life... Probably expecting that they would use the race card to get away with things.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 26^th, 2013 at 4:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

I am no fan of the EDL and it attracts some football violence idiots out to smash up the local wetherspoons but there is a genuine belief around Britain right now that we have allowed things to get out of hand.

The EDL is composed of hooligans who are precisely the reason why decent conservative people have not been voting for 'rightwing' parties that want to limit or stop any further immigration, and which want to take Britain out of the European Union.

But this is changing.

A milder form of the EDL is the UKIP.

Quote:

A poll this week put Ukip’s support at 22 per cent, just two points back of the Conservatives. (Labour leads the pack at 35 per cent.) Earlier this month, Ukip won 24 per cent of the vote in county elections and there is growing talk of defections by Tory members of Parliament – a remarkable turnaround considering that in the last general election in 2010, Ukip got 3 per cent of the vote.

Needless to say, the Labour's 35 per cent is almost entirely due to the Ethnic Voting Bloc wanting to see Labour back in again, with its primary focus once again centred securely upon ingratiating with Britain's ethnic communities to keep their support.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by WorldSacred on May 26^th, 2013 at 4:56pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:37pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Are they immigrants or were they born there? Time has a habit of catching up, we must remember that when we invade foreign lands.

There will always be retaliations, it's Karma with a twist.

What difference does it make? They have put their faith in worshiping a pedophile murderer, and it isn't far-fetched a thought to think they, the followers, have just as much right to impose their barbarity on civilised society. Because satisfying their overinflated egos is much more important than developing a rapport with the very people keeping them housed, clothed, and fed.

And just because they read up things in history books, doesn't give them the right to invade the *former* colonial powers and treat them worse than the *former* colonial power treat 'their' ancestors. Realistically, had it not been for the colonialism, a prick like him wouldn't exist.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:23pm

Latest news - copycat violence in France:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/25/world/europe/france-soldier-stabbing/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Quote:

Paris (CNN) -- A French soldier who was stabbed Saturday on the western outskirts of Paris was targeted because of his military service, France's defense minister said.

"The aim was to kill the soldier because he was a soldier," Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told CNN affiliate BFMTV. The attacker wanted "to kill a soldier who is in charge of French security," he said.

The soldier was stabbed in the neck from behind with either a knife or a box cutter, a Hauts-de-Seine police spokesman said.

The soldier, 23, was hospitalized with non-life-threatening wounds, the Ministry of Defense said in a statement.

The attacker was wearing a robe and appeared to be North African, said Laurent Lefebvre, a spokesman for Syndicat Alliance Police Nationale, a French police union.

The Mussies are coming to get us!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:34pm

you did not arrive on this planet

to be gotten by the darkness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU

you have experienced that

and overcome the obstacle

fear not be at peace

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

love is growing on me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-MtY1nRcpU

if any can rebut that

i will leave this messageboard

with grace

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:34pm:

you did not arrive on this planet

to be gotten by the darkness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU

you have experienced that

and overcome the obstacle

fear not be at peace

namaste

- : )

Thank God SOMEONE on this forum board has all his marbles and is playing with a full deck.

:)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

If anyone needed proof that Britain's politicians are complicit in this Islamic London killing, then listen to the prime minister admit to this himself.

Here he admits that for decades their duty of care to the British public has been woefully and criminally negligent in the interest of pandering to the 'sensitivities' of Britain's Muslim community.

This admission should have a dozen current and former government leaders in prison for a very long time.

But that won't happen, of course.

It will be business as usual as soon as the hysteria has died down.

The firebrands will continue preaching in private rooms, and the politicians will keep sucking up to the Muslim vote.

Business as usual.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:30pm

you will get there

stand your ground,

onward to freedom and victory!!

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by pansi1951 on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:33pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:34pm:

you did not arrive on this planet

to be gotten by the darkness

"The most violent enemy in society is ignorance"

"After all, there is but one race -- Humanity."

Emma Goldman

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:33pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

25 May 2013 Last updated at 10:47 GMT
Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect'

Abu Nusaybah: "They (MI5) asked him if he'd be interested in working for them"

MI5 asked Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo if he wanted to work for them about six months before the killing, a childhood friend has said.

Abu Nusaybah told BBC Newsnight his friend - one of two men arrested after Drummer Lee Rigby's murder in south-east London on Wednesday - had rejected the approach from the security service.

The BBC could not obtain any confirmation from Whitehall sources.

Abu Nusaybah was arrested at the BBC after giving the interview.

Newsnight reporter Richard Watson said after the interview had concluded he left the studio to find officers from the Metropolitan Police counter terrorism unit waiting to arrest Abu Nusaybah.

The Met confirmed a 31-year-old man had been arrested at 21:30 BST on Friday in relation to suspected terrorism offences and search warrants were being executed at two homes in east London.

The arrest was not directly related to the murder of Drummer Rigby, it said.

The soldier was killed in front of dozens of people near Woolwich Barracks, where he was based, on Wednesday afternoon.

Mr Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, who was also arrested at the scene, remain in hospital after being shot by police.

'Bugging me'
In his Newsnight interview, Abu Nusaybah said he thought "a change" had taken place in his friend after a trip to Kenya last year.

He said Mr Adebolajo had told him he travelled there "to study", but instead, was part of a group rounded up by "Kenyan troops" and interrogated in a prison cell.

During his detention he said he was "beaten quite badly", Abu Nusaybah said, and in his opinion, his friend had also been subjected to sexual abuse, although he was too "ashamed" to say exactly what happened.

Floral tributes have been left at the scene of the killing
After this, he became withdrawn "and less talkative - he wasn't his bubbly self", Abu Nusaybah said, adding: "His mind was somewhere else."

He also said Mr Adebolajo was "stopped" upon his return to the UK from Kenya and was later "followed up by MI5" who were "knocking on his door".

He was "basically being harassed", Abu Nusaybah said.

He added: "His wording was, 'They are bugging me - they won't leave me alone.'

"Initially they wanted to ask him if he knew certain individuals.

"But after him saying that he didn't know these individuals, what he said was they asked him if he would be interested in working for them.

"He was explicit in that he refused to work for them but he did confirm he didn't know the individuals."

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:19pm:

Those two savages should be hung for their crime.
The poor soldier was a musician, and more than likely would not have fired a rifle since basic training, nor served overseas in 'Muslim' lands.

He was a machine gunner with the Royal Fusiliers - and had served in Afghanistan.

Did he throw his drum sticks at them really fast?
Hang the filth.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:47pm

I agree Chicken,

hang em and hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

Psalm 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 26^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

How can we continue to play magnanimous benefactors to multiculturalism at the expense of the people entitled to live here, and ultimately Australia will suffer as other countries have.

UK's recent tragedy illustrated just what the consequences are. A young 25 year old with a 2 year old son and a loving wife and family, butchered in broad daylight with onlookers listening to the maniacal dirge spewing from this pigs mouth, hand and weapons dripping with this poor soldier's blood. He had served in Afghanistan and elsewhere overseas protecting his country only to return home to his death in the most heinous of ways.

A French soldier stabbed in the neck and although he'll recover, why are we enduring this sh!t all over the world when we should be fighting back in the most calculating and merciless of ways. We can eradicate this scum, why are we playing the part of Mr Nice Guy?

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Post by Socrates on May 26^th, 2013 at 7:26pm

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Post by it_is_the_light on May 26^th, 2013 at 7:31pm

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Post by it_is_the_light on May 26^th, 2013 at 7:59pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/editors-choice/editors-picks/10080958/Woolwich-attack-soldiers-killer-in-dock-on-terror-link-three-years-ago.html

Woolwich attack: soldier's 'killer' in dock on terror link three years ago
One of the alleged killers of Drummer Lee Rigby appeared in court in Kenya suspected of leading a group of Islamists trying to join terrorists in Somalia.

Sunday 26 May 2013

Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo, 2nd right, in the dock in Kenya in 2010.

By Zoe Flood in Nairobi, Tom Whitehead, David Barrett9:00PM BST 25 May 2013
The Sunday Telegraph can disclose that Michael Adebolajo was held by police close to the Somali border with a band of "radicalised" Muslim youths who wanted to join the notorious al-Shabaab group.
He was deported to Britain after he appeared in court in Mombasa in November 2010.
Two months previously the head of MI5 had warned that Britons were training in Somalia and it was "only a matter of time before we see terrorism on our streets inspired by those who are today fighting alongside al-Shabaab". It also emerged that the other suspect in the soldier’s murder, Michael Adebowale, 22, was detained by police in London two months ago after shopkeepers complained about a group of Muslim activists.

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Post by toots on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:03pm

Michael Adebolajo told a friend he was converted in prison. Muslim gangs in British prisons are feared, not only by other prisoners, but by the guards. They are at the top of the pecking order and virtually run the prison. Many prisoners convert to Islam because they are bullied into it, a report found. If they can intimidate British prison guards, we're in big trouble.

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Post by Chimp_Logic on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 26^th, 2013 at 10:10pm

toots wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

If they can intimidate British prison guards, we're in big trouble.

Not really. Our security isn't in the hands of british prison guards.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Honky on May 26^th, 2013 at 10:11pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Which one is the guy who got beheaded on the street?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by toots on May 26^th, 2013 at 10:41pm

Of course we now know that Bush rushed into Iraq without the sanction of the UN but Australia has always been joined at the hip with Britain and the US and always will be. What you have to decide is - whose side are you on - theirs or ours?

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Post by it_is_the_light on May 26^th, 2013 at 11:44pm

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=874923

M16 under pressure over soldier murder
Updated: 08:50, Saturday May 25, 2013

Britain's intelligence services are under pressure to explain how they let two Islamic extremists suspected of hacking a soldier to death in London slip through their net.

Michael Adebolajo, 28, and Michael Adebowale, 22, who remain under armed guard in hospital after being shot by police at the scene, were known to the intelligence services but reportedly assessed as not posing a deadly threat.

The distraught wife of the murdered soldier Lee Rigby said on Friday the family found it hard to accept the 25-year-old had been killed not in a war zone but on the streets of his own country.

A huge pile of floral tributes continues to grow outside the barracks in Woolwich, south London, where Rigby was brutally attacked on Wednesday afternoon.

More details have emerged about Adebolajo, who was born to devout Nigerian Christians but converted to Islam a decade ago and attended meetings of the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun, which is now banned in Britain.

He reportedly sold inflammatory literature at a stall in Woolwich, where his increasingly extremist behaviour in recent weeks alarmed other Muslims.

Reports say Adebolajo attempted to travel to Somalia to fight alongside al-Qaeda-linked Shebab insurgents but was turned back and had his passport confiscated by police.

He was captured on film shortly after the attack brandishing a bloodied knife and meat cleaver and claiming he had killed the soldier because British forces killed Muslims every day.

Less is known about the other suspect but he is also believed to be of Nigerian origin.

Dramatic footage of the incident on the Mirror newspaper's website also showed Adebolajo charging at a policewoman before he was shot and injured.

As detectives try to establish how Adebolajo apparently went from an outspoken convert to a killer, the government is being forced to defend the security services against criticism they missed signs which might have helped prevent the grisly murder.

A parliamentary committee will look into the role of the security services, but communities minister Eric Pickles said on Friday even if the men had been known to intelligence agencies, it was impossible to keep tabs on everyone all the time.

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Post by Kat on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:15am

One of the most putrid, violent, barbaric and corrupt cults the world has ever seen.

And our ba$tard politicians deliberately ignore our concerns cos they suck the UN tit.

We must stop accepting and tolerating this cult and its extreme ignorance and barbarism.

And we should stop referring to it, and treating it, as a religion with all the rights and freedoms that implies.

It is NOT, it is a barbaric Dark Ages cult that has absolutely no place in the world of the 21st century.

Nothing more.

It should be rejected unequivocally, not embraced.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Grey on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:52am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:47pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Really?

Which community was to blame for the Breveik shooting?

We were all rightly disgusted by it , but I didn't hear any calls to expel white people from Norway.

No, you are misrepresenting me as usual. I call any politically active organisation Nazi, that uses threats and actual violence against persons or property. Especially when they have extremist racist policies.

I have made it quite clear that I regard 'Nationalism' as nothing but silliness. It's a silliness that I endulge at times myself. I'm real proud of this great country of ours.

And what's more I have never wavered in my support for war against Islamofascists. I do not accept that all Muslims are dangerous extremists, even though a fair number are at this time. At other times a fair number of Christians have been Christofascists. But you know, kill all the Taliban you like, not a squeak I promise you. And any hate speaking imans in Australia; take 'em out to the territorial limit and drop them off, by helicopter if you like.

It's just that these two guys are nothing but idiots. Put them down by all means, but no political significance can be attributed to the action of lunatics.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:45am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Both were Police State dictatorships which tolerated no personal freedoms.

Now they are democracies being rebuilt at the expence of foreigners.

How lucky can they be?

You forgot to postup how many foreign soldiers were killed to rid these countries of their dictatorships. An unintentional oversight, I'm sure.

Where did you get the idea that freedom comes at no cost?

Here are a few more stats: Lives lost to fight against Nazi or Japanese dictatorship:

Australia .... 40,000
France ....... 500,000
Holland ...... 300,000
UK ............. 451,000

Russia ... just civilians ALONE: 4 million lives lost.

Question: Is it morally good or morally bad to lift Police State dictatorships off the shoulders of whole nations of people?

Question: Is it realistic to assume that this can be accomplished without loss of life?

And could we please have a word from you about the continuing incidence of mass-murder of Iraqis by other Iraqis? Some words of condemnation perhaps ~ with this being no one's fault but their own.

Thank you.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:58am

Kat wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:15am:

Very well said. Uncommon commonsense. It doesn't make you 'Rightwing' or 'racist' or bigoted' or 'xenophobic' to want your generational homeland society to be rid of this evil scourge that is a sexually transmitted disease from father to son, and the generations thereafter.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by toots on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:20am

So what are we going to do about it?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:26am

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:52am:

It's just that these two guys are nothing but idiots.

You were doing okay until you soiled yourself by making this Useful Idiot apologist statement.

The Muslim community should be paying you a fee for propagandising on their behalf.

Let's re-write your sentence with a little more attention to what actually prompted these two Englishmen to do what they did. (They are not 'Nigerians' and they are not 'foreigners'. They are UK-born Englishmen, born and bred).

Here we go, Mr Grey. Thank you for being patient.

Original: "It's just that these two guys are nothing but idiots".

De-coded version: "It's just that these two killers are nothing but Fundamentalist Muslims".

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:52am:

Put them down by all means, but no political significance can be attributed to the action of lunatics.

Instant de-coding ...".... to the actions of activist fundamentalist Muslims".

You can say these things if you lose your fear, Mr Grey. It doesn't make you a bad person to state the truth on behalf of identifying creeds and dogmas that are inimical to the current and future good health of your own society.

These killers took their authority from Islam. Your tongue won't turn to stone if you dare to enunciate these words.

Try it yourself ...

"These killers took their authority from Islam"...

(No. You won't be excommunicated and burn in Hell for saying that).

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:50am

toots wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:20am:

So what are we going to do about it?

Abstain from voting until the Liberal Party agrees to become a genuine Opposition Party with real alternative policies to the Labor Party.

At present both parties are agreed that a whole raft of social issues and policies are not to be made available for democratic voting.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by toots on May 27^th, 2013 at 8:32am

Well that won't work so we are stuck with a government who refuses to admit we have a problem here in Oz. David Cameron needs to do something - his people are crying out for justice but he won’t give them what they want – to get rid of them, pass a law that enables Britain to deport them and their families back to the home of their ancestors, no matter if they were born in Britain or not. But what does he do? He sets up a special task force. Pathetic.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 27^th, 2013 at 8:32am

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Look bobby, do i have to point out, that that was a post with more than one line!

Your slipping!

p.s.
But your content is improving! ;)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 8:56am

toots wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Exactly.

Muslims who show any tendency for 'jihad' should be deported ~ together with their extended families.

By a process of gradual elimination it would take only a few years for the religiously besotted to be sieved out of the Muslim community and expelled from the country.

The most peaceful and harmless Muslims are those who have allowed themselves to become Westernised and secularised away from obsessive religiosity.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Grey on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:45am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Exciting to battle against dictators isn't it? Yet how well is Australia doing? A dictatorship runs for the course of the rulers natural life. A monarchy runs forever.
And y'know splitting a dictatorship into two parts and calling them 'A CHOICE'. Who'd be fooled by that sort of malarkey?

In anycase, say we had a dictatorship in Australia, how'd you be with China invading to 'save us'?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:02am

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

The point is, we are not going to save ourselves.

The human condition precludes any chance of that.

Romans 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Is there a solution to our human dilemma ?

Yes, there is!

But we ~~are not~~ can never be, the authors of that solution.

What we need to do, is to come to acknowledge our nature.

If we will do that, then that 'choice', in turn, will lead us to the knowledge that we need to come to embrace.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Grey on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:26am:

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:52am:

It's just that these two guys are nothing but idiots.

Put them down by all means, but no political significance can be attributed to the action of lunatics.

Are the people of the Westboro baptist church christians or loony tunes?

These guys stated ambition was to start a war in London. That was never going to happen. Londoners are not that excitable, a trait that's carried over into Australia I think.

These are the facts. Islam is no nuttier than Christianity; not that that is any recommendation. The vast majority of Muslims are decent, law abiding and moderate people who pay as much lip service to their religion as most Christians. It's basically the same religion. The religion of Abraham, which splits with the monotonous regularity as an amoeba. Actually that's unfair to amoeba which split to procreate, they don't immediatly sit around thinking of ways to attack each other.

The number of Muslims so virulently anti west as to commit acts of terror against the society they live in is vanishingly small. A lot carry a certain resentment for wrongs committed by the 'west' against Muslim lands. In particular the on going genocide against the Palestinian people has stirred a lot of emotion.

But when I say 'a lot' I still mean a minority. Most muslims are as politically apathetic as anybody else. Acts of terrorism are designed to create reactions like yours that make all Muslims 'the enemy'. You're the 'useful idiot' pal.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by aquascoot on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:35am

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:45am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

This is my dream scenario (the china of today that is )
chinese ruthless business efficiency . their hard work, their intolerance of fools, their no non sense attitude to the chattering classes.
i welcome our chinese overlords who are currently buying up the country and will soon be in control, whether they come by their military or economic machines.
keep an eye out for the cost of manufacturing when the next round of natural gas sales to china kick in. the ones where the aussie suppliers will supply gas to china at 10 % the cost they will sell gas on the domestic market in australia (bye bye ford).
the chinese are SOOOO much smarter business people than dumb aussie hicks. we deserve this takeover and i for one am learning mandarin ;)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:07am

... wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Which one is the guy who got beheaded on the street?

....I am sure God has a list of ACCEPTABLE moral crimes and murders, the ones you class as necessary, and another list of UNACCEPTABLE crimes.

good luck with that moral relativism!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:11am

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Exciting to battle against dictators isn't it?

Relevance Factor (RF)? Zero.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Yet how well is Australia doing? A dictatorship runs for the course of the rulers natural life.

No sons? Nobody to perpetuate the Rule by Dictatorship after Lenin / Hitler / Mao / Pol Pot / Castro / Peron / et al have died?

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

A monarchy runs forever.

Relevance Factor (RF)? Zero.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

And y'know splitting a dictatorship into two parts and calling them 'A CHOICE'. Who'd be fooled by that sort of malarkey?

You didn't SWALLOW that Little Red Book, did you? You're only supposed to read it.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

In anycase, say we had a dictatorship in Australia, how'd you be with China invading to 'save us'?

Wonderful. Just like the Yanks they would lose 1000's of their own men to re-establish democracy here, and then they would pour billions of Yuan into the country to rebuild it from the war damage.

And then they would ... are you ready for this? .... LEAVE, after which we would once again be our own sovereign nation.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:11am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:45am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Australia .... 40,000
France ....... 500,000
Holland ...... 300,000
UK ............. 451,000
Russia ... just civilians ALONE: 4 million lives lost.

These dictatorships that you refer to are almost all supported and popped up by the West - in particular the USA.

And we all know why don't we ladies and gentlemen!!!

Incidentally, the Soviet Union lost about 21 million people to the Nazis during WW2.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:13am

aquascoot wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

I couldn't agree with you more.

I'm learning Cantonese and how to skin a cat. ;D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:16am

Remember Breivik? A Christian, fair skinned male - was this man a terrorist?
How many did he slaughter?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by ian on May 27^th, 2013 at 12:13pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:53pm:

Correct. Those who dont understand this are not good students of history. It was Malcom Fraser who opened up the gates for the Vietnamese boat people. Consequently he was also responsible for the "family reunion" immigration programmes under which large numbers of criminal elements managed to immigrate here under the guise of this policy. Later, Howard was the most strident detractor and then political destroyer of Pauline Hanson who was giving us all a timely warning. Howard then opened the floodgates for African and middle eastern immigration resulting in the large numberr of 5th columnist "Australian citizens" we now have. We are now in a fight for the cultural integrity of this country, most of the useful idiots who insist on blaming Labour incprrectly for this disaster simply have no idea and no knowledge of the subject.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Quantum on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:59pm

Quantum wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

Quantum,

Many people like bobby, like to crack walnuts with a sledgehammer.

We need a more 'directed' response.

A response which will motivate respect for, and the fear of, non-moslems, in moslems!

General Jack Pershing had the correct approach/attitude, imo.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 27^th, 2013 at 2:35pm

Yadda wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

We need a more 'directed' response.

A response which will motivate respect for, and the fear of, non-moslems, in moslems!

I've already stated what i think, should be done......

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366162198/22#22

Quote:

+++

Q.
WHAT SHOULD BE THE RESPONSE OF NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITIES [to moslem lawlessness] ?

IMO, our broader societies and our individual communities [in the 'West'], are rapidly descending into open lawlessness and open violence.

[And imo, moslem immigration [into Western nations] is just exasperating that situation.]

Is that characterisation of our society [i.e. the descending into open lawlessness] an exaggeration ?

And if that characterisation is accurate, what can be done, if anything ?

IF WE WANT PEACE [in our communities], then we [as individuals] must be willing to choose >> to separate ourselves << from those who choose to embrace LAWLESSNESS.

The popular argument about a 'cultural' clash, is >> NOT << about those people being from a different race, or about those people being from a different culture.

And this argument is not about 'racism'.

But this argument >>is << about LAWLESSNESS, and whether we choose to now accept a 'culture' of LAWLESSNESS, among us.

And it is about whether we now choose to accept a 'culture' of LAWLESSNESS being >> imposed << upon us.

This argument >> is << about people from a different race or from a different culture, making a conscious choice to reject the mores and laws of this, our [host] culture.
[e.g. The choice, by immigrants, of coming to our country, and societies, and yet refusing to accept and embrace the mores and laws of our culture, and societies.]

[And by the way, i also acknowledge, that today there is a culture of lawlessness that is found among some [many?] Anglo and European 'Aussies'.]

IMO, the widespread embrace [and 'tolerance'] of LAWLESSNESS by the members of a society, will [morally] weaken and eventually destroy a culture/society.

So, what should be the response of non-moslem communities [to moslem lawlessness] ?

If we 'gift' freedom to moslems, moslems will abuse the freedoms that we gift to them.

And moslems will not abandon their culture [of lawlessness, towards 'disbelievers'].

So, again;
IF WE WANT PEACE [in our communities], then we [as individuals] must be willing to choose >> to separate ourselves << from those who choose to embrace LAWLESSNESS - whether they be moslems, or they be any other group or individual.

+++

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
Frederic Bastiat

"If you want to know a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln

Political power in the hands of man, can be used for good, or, for evil.

Q.
When somewhere in the world, a moslem authority [n.b. an ISLAMIC inspired authority] gains power, what do ~~they~~ moslems invariably do with that power ???

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:08pm

Yadda wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Quantum wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

Wow - General Black knew what to do!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

Quantum wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

But Quantum,
If you watch the video below you'll see how sad a hanging is -
just listen to the speech from the poor Irish guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:33pm

The death penalty should be executed as with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, only this time with Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi, Lebanon, Yemen, Oman, Mozambique, etc.etc. then start on the home grown mob and destroy every mosque, remove every remaining Muslim to wherever, I don't really care as long as they are all gone!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:40pm

bump

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:40pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Quantum wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

But Quantum,
If you watch the video below you'll see how sad a hanging is -
just listen to the speech from the poor Irish guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

The page wouldn't flip.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:43pm

Socrates wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:

Socrates - you can't punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:56pm

This would be a lesson never to be forgotten, not punishment. Muslims care not a jot about guilty or innocent, we have suffered enough from these scum......no mercy whatsoever!

They play on our fairness; they capitalise on our civilisation, and they take advantage and mistake our fairness for weakness............no mercy.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:06pm

Socrates wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

Hang em.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by pansi1951 on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:22pm

Did anyone see the children placing flowers at the memorial lite of the dead soldier, children of middle eastern appearance, so sweat, but that's another story for another day.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:38pm

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

These are the facts. Islam is no nuttier than Christianity; not that that is any recommendation.

That's debatable.

There are a couple of really nasty passages in the Koran that you can't find in the Bible.

Number One in importance is that if you should renounce your Islamic faith ~ then God help you if Allah's Little Helpers should catch up with you on the orders of a Death Fatwa.

In Britain there is a special government agency that protects apostates of Islam. Names are changed. Secret new locations are arranged for them to move to. Official papers of identification are hidden or altered.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

The vast majority of Muslims are decent, law abiding and moderate people...

Many polls in British have indicated that a sizable number of so-called 'moderate' Muslims are against British troops being in the Middle East for no other reason than that they are Unbelievers - Infidels.

Nothing to do with politics ~ but just for the reason that the soldiers are not Muslim ... and what this tells even the most casual observer is that the DEFAULT position of Britain's Muslim community is one of religious hostility, disapproval, and segregation from the British civilian mainstream.

They like the goodies that come with living in a Western First World country, so mostly they keep quiet in order to stay off the radar of the secret police who work to identify the anti-British moaners.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

who pay as much lip service to their religion as most Christians.

You've got that very badly wrong, and I suspect that even you know that. Islam is not like any other religion. It's more like a Medieval military discipline in which they triumphantly shout "Allahu Akbar!" instead of "BANZAI!"

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

It's basically the same religion.

Oh, come on! Today's Muslims are basically contemporaneous (sorry) with the time when Christianity was having its Inquisitions and its burnings at the stake. They never had their renaissance. Islam is an antique strait-jacket.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

The number of Muslims so virulently anti west as to commit acts of terror against the society they live in is vanishingly small.

Correct ~ and that's not really the main worry.

The bigger worry is that there's an ever-growing population of Muslims in Western countries whose religion compels them not to fully assimilate with the locals, and not to immerse themselves in the culture and ethos of the Non-Muslim mainstream ~ generation after generation ... with the result that they become competitors for dominance in each of these nominally secular societies.

That is a very dangerous and insecure position for Britain and Australia to have brought upon themselves. Some would call it 'negligence to the point of criminal insanity' ~ as I do.

I'm actually not joking when I say I would have a score of British politicians swinging from the gallows in London's Hyde Park. Damn near half a million Britishers gave their lives to PRESERVE the UK for their future generations against a Nazi dictatorship. And then these bastards opened the gates to Muslim immigration, with all that this will entail for the future.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

A lot carry a certain resentment for wrongs committed by the 'west' against Muslim lands. In particular the on going genocide against the Palestinian people has stirred a lot of emotion.

That's a sticky and difficult debate. All I can say is that Israel and Western negotiators offered Yasser Arafat over 90% of his demands ~ and yet he refused this.

Today there are ... one million Arabs living in Israel ~ many of them Muslims. Thousands more pour across the borders each day to work in Israeli factories. Good wages. Good conditions.

These so-called 'Palestinians' are in fact Jordanians. I went to school with Prince Zaid, the king's nephew. Jordan eventually refused to take any more of these troublesome 'Palestinians' back into the country. They were pests and trouble-makers of the sort we saw in the IRA.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:38pm

Socrates wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

1.42 million slaughtered Iraqi civilians

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:46pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k02xqnYNWm8

WIKILEAKS VIDEO: WAR On JOURNALISTS, WAR On CIVILIANS, " Graphic Footage "

Published on Nov 30, 2012
WIKILEAKS VIDEO:
WAR On JOURNALISTS, WAR On CIVILIANS, "Graphic Evidence"

Location: Various ( Baghdad, Iraq; Washington, U.S. )
VIDEO SOURCE: WIKILEAKS.ORG

It's both a front row seat and a bird's eye view to modern day warfare. What you're seeing here is what Apache pilots with the U.S. army saw, as they flew over a city in eastern Baghdad on July 12, 2007. A group of people walking. Included in that group - two employees for Reuters news service, 40 year old Saeed Chmagh and 22-year-old Namir Noor-Eldeen.

Namir was considered one of the best photojournalists in Iraq. Their names were added here by Wikileaks for clarity as they carry their cameras... not what the pilots think they see.

Moments later they're attacked.

According to news reports, like this one in the Washington post, the attack was launched because the people had - quote - been "directing machine gun fire and rocket propelled grenades at U.S. soldiers."

According to Wikileaks one of the most disturbing aspects of this is the behavior of the pilots.

Apache helicopter audio, speaking English:

"Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards. Nice."

When this man, clearly wounded, tries to crawl away, the pilots still seem to want to injure him more.

SB Julian Assange, editor and co-Founder, Wikileaks.org speaking English:

"Even someone who's crawling, prostrate on the ground, wounded, they are looking for an excuse to kill."

Juilan Assange, editor and co-founder of Wikileaks released the video at the national press club in Washington in hopes that the rules of engagement in war will be questioned and changed. He says this video shows how some military personnel treat war like a video game.

Apache helicopter audio, speaking English:

"Where's that van at. Right down there by the bodies."

SB Julian Assange, editor and co-Founder, Wikileaks.org speaking English:

"It seems to me that the attitude of the pilots is -- "this is another day at the office". This is what we have been doing for weeks and weeks and weeks."

As the attack continues you see this van pull up and a man get out to carry away the body. The pilots see this man too, as a threat:

Apache helicopter audio, speaking English:

"Crazy horse one, permission to engage...picking up the wounded...can I shoot?"

It's later discovered there are two children inside the van. You can see them being carried away by soldiers, who tried to get them medical attention.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:48pm

SB Julian Assange, editor and co-Founder, Wikileaks.org speaking English:

"It seems to me that the attitude of the pilots is -- "this is another day at the office". This is what we have been doing for weeks and weeks and weeks."

As the attack continues you see this van pull up and a man get out to carry away the body. The pilots see this man too, as a threat:

Apache helicopter audio, speaking English:

"Crazy horse one, permission to engage...picking up the wounded...can I shoot?"

It's later discovered there are two children inside the van. You can see them being carried away by soldiers, who tried to get them medical attention.

________________

so these get medals for killing

and all others that resist these murders

are terrorists?

dark or LIGHT

choose your side now

be at peace

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Socrates wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

Hang em.

God is watching

(so is Beelzebub it seems)

kneel and pray before it is too late Batman

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

Acts of terrorism are designed to create reactions like yours that make all Muslims 'the enemy'.

Prime Minister David Cameron is now organising for the monitoring of all mosques throughout Britain in order to ensure that imams don't quote the parts of the Koran where it says that Muslims must maintain a war-footing against the Christian infidel.

And where it says that no infidel can be a friend of a good Muslim.

And lots more of an anti-Western nature.

Cameron wants imams to censor certain parts of their Holy Text.

Is there a message in this, I wonder? Has there been an inappropriate immigration stream, I ask? Is there the suggestion of cultural incompatibility here? Is not all well on the Home Front? Has the Enemy breached the gates of the British homeland ... as they once nearly did with Vienna?

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

You're the 'useful idiot' pal.

It's a quote from Stalin.

Quote:

The term has been used to refer to Soviet sympathizers in Western countries.

In political jargon, useful idiot is a pejorative term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.

They use people's civilised decency as a step-ladder towards achieving their own nefarious goals, and when you no longer serve their purpose... they'll flush you down the toilet like a turd.

Enjoy your evening, Mr Brown ... er, I mean Mr Grey. 8-)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Lionel Edriess on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:26pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Indeed! One wonders whether such imams will be so offended by such a suggestion, and still retain such faith, that they will exhort their faithful brethren, en masse, into seeking climes that are more suitable for their beliefs. Peacefully, of course. 8-)

No doubt there a few, at this very moment, bewailing the fact that this message was left in the hands of such idiots as to risk a backlash of 'biblical' proportions before plans were realised. :D

S'funny, you know. There's a call to establish Sharia in countries that don't have it, yet those that call for it seem in no hurry to go back to where it's practised. Most peculiar.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:29pm

Herbert,

Quote:

Wow - is there a link for that?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by red baron on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:54pm

Great Britain imported its own problems.

WEW are doing exactly the same thing. The Muslims will rise up against us here in the future. We have no one to blame but our own ignorance of the threat they represent.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:05pm

Baron,

Quote:

Great Britain imported its own problems.

We are doing exactly the same thing.
The Muslims will rise up against us here in the future.
We have no one to blame but our own ignorance of the threat they represent.

Yes Baron,
There are too many of them here already.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:05pm

page wouldn't flip

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:25pm

constant calls for hanging deprive one of light

freewill and forgiven

those without sin caste the first stone

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/24/uk-inquests-civilian-deaths-iraq-war

UK ordered to hold inquests into civilian deaths during Iraq war
High court rules that up to 161 allegedly unlawful killings by British military should be subject of coroner-style hearings

Ian Cobain
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 25 May 2013 02.17 AEST

Baha Mousa pictured with his wife and children. Several other Iraqis are thought to have been beaten to death in a manner similar to him. Photograph: Reuters

A series of public inquests should be held into the deaths of civilians who are alleged to have been killed unlawfully by the British military following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the high court has ruled.

In a ground-breaking judgment that could have an impact on how the British military is able to conduct operations among civilians in the future, the court ruled on Friday that up to 161 deaths should be the subject of hearings modelled upon coroners' inquests.

In practice, a series of hearings – possibly amounting to more than 100 – are likely to be held as a result of the judgment, which follows a three-year legal battle on behalf of the Iraqis' families.

Each hearing must involve a "full, fair and fearless investigation accessible to the victim's families and to the public", the court ruled, and should examine not only the immediate circumstances but other issues surrounding each death.

As a first step, the court ordered Philip Hammond, the defence secretary, to announce within six weeks whether any of the deaths are to result in prosecutions, or to explain any further delays over prosecuting decisions.

After years of judicial review proceedings, and in the face of determined opposition from the Ministry of Defence, which appeared anxious to maintain control over any investigative process, the court concluded that hearings modelled upon coroners' inquests were the best way for the British authorities to meet their obligations under article 2 of the European convention on human rights (ECHR), which protects the right to life.

The court rejected calls for a single public inquiry to be held to examine British military detention and interrogation practices during the six-year occupation of the south-east of Iraq, on the grounds that such an inquiry would take too long and cost too much.

The first public hearings are expected to focus on 11 cases in which civilians died in British military custody. These will be followed by public examinations of other incidents in which civilians died – often in circumstances that were unclear or are disputed – but where it is alleged that British personnel used unlawful force.

The court also ruled that this should be just the start of the process by which public hearings will examine the alleged misconduct of some members of the British armed forces who served in Iraq.

Following the completion of the Article 2 hearings – into allegedly unlawful killings – further hearings should be established in order to meet the UK's obligations under Article 3 of the ECHR, the court said. These will inquire into allegations of torture and lesser mistreatment of individuals detained by British troops in Iraq, focusing on a sample of the most serious of the 700-plus cases in which such allegations have been made.

In December last year the MoD said it had paid out £14m in compensation and costs to 205 Iraqis who alleged unlawful imprisonment and mistreatment, and that it was negotiating a further 196 payments. Several hundred more claims were expected to be lodged.

Many of the hearings that examine allegations of torture and mistreatment are expected to shed light on the activities of a British interrogation unit known as the Joint Forward Interrogation Team, whose personnel, drawn from all three branches of the services, appear to have received training in the abuse of prisoners.

The deaths in custody include those of a number of teenagers who drowned after allegedly being pushed into canals.

In another case, an RAF police investigation into the death of a man who was allegedly kicked to death while on board an RAF helicopter failed to establish the cause of death, or even the dead man's name. A Guardian investigation established that there were concerns that MoD officials may have interfered with the initial investigation because they feared a prosecution could lead to the discovery that the dead man – and large numbers of other prisoners – were being ferried to a secret interrogation centre that had been concealed from both British army lawyers and the Red Cross.

A third case concerns a mother who was shot and wounded in November 2006 when troops raided her home. She was certified dead on arrival at a first aid post, and her body was later dumped at the side of a road in a British army body bag.

Baha Mousa. Photograph: Liberty/PA

Several other victims died after being detained for interrogation, and are thought to have been beaten to death in a manner similar to that of Baha Mousa, the Basra hotel receptionist who was murdered by British soldiers in September 2003.

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Post by it_is_the_light on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:27pm

The judgment from Sir John Thomas, president of the Queen's Bench Division, and Mr Justice Silber, added that there was evidence to support claims that some of the abuse had been systemic, and questioned whether responsibility for poor training and a failure to investigate promptly lay with senior officers and figures in government.

Many of the cases have been under investigation for a number of years by a body known as the Iraq Historic Allegations Team (Ihat), which is made up of retired civilian detectives and service police, answering to an MoD panel.

The court ruled that Ihat was an independent body, and rejected completely claims made by a former Ihat official-turned-whistleblower, who had dismissed it as a face-saving exercise. Nevertheless, the judgment concluded, Ihat was not capable of examining the instructions, training and supervision of troops, and the way in which this is alleged to have led to the abuse.

Phil Shiner, a lawyer for the Iraqis, said: "My clients welcome, at last, the opportunities for accountability flowing from the judgment.

"I trust that the various and troubling systemic issues emerging from these cases will lead to further reforms following the Baha Mousa inquiry report of September 2011. The secretary of state must ensure that UK forces abroad respect and apply the rule of law."

An MoD spokesperson said: "We welcome the court's finding that Ihat is independent and carries out its duties with competence and integrity. We are also pleased that the court has agreed that the secretary of state was justified in concluding that a single comprehensive public inquiry into allegations of abuse in Iraq should not be established. This would have led to unnecessary expense and unacceptable delay.

"Ihat continues to make progress in its task of investigating allegations which have been made against British troops serving in Iraq."

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by it_is_the_light on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:37pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10081969/Woolwich-attack-David-Cameron-under-fire-as-MI5-terrorism-blunders-emerge.html

Woolwich attack: David Cameron under fire as MI5 terrorism blunders emerge
David Cameron visited MI5 headquarters to thank spies for their work on the Woolwich terror case a day the after murder of Drummer Lee Rigby despite concerns about the failings of security services.

Monday 27 May 2013

By Steven Swinford, and Christopher Hope10:00PM BST 26 May 2013

Both of the men accused of hacking the soldier to death had been monitored by the security services for years, and one of them was allegedly approached with a view to acting as an informant.
Details of Mr Cameron's visit to MI5's headquarters after Drummer Rigby's murder emerged as the Prime Minister flew to Ibiza in Spain over the weekend for a holiday with his family.
Downing Street said he "remains in charge" of Britain as he was pictured relaxing in a cafe by the sea with his wife, Samantha.
A spokesman said has taken a small team of key staff with him so he can be kept informed about the investigation into the murder of Drummer Rigby.
Mr Cameron's visit to MI5's headquarters and decision to go on holiday led to questions about his judgement in the aftermath of the worst terrorist atrocity on British soil since 7/7.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 8:50pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

Herbert,

Quote:

Wow - is there a link for that?

Quote:

'Mosques to be held accountable for choice of imams'

David Cameron is launching a new terror task force to crack down on extremism in the wake of the horrific murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, Downing Street has confirmed.

The Cabinet level group, which will also bring in intelligence and police chiefs when needed, will focus on radical preachers who target potential recruits in jails, schools, colleges and mosques.

It will monitor trends in radicalisation and tackle "poisonous narratives", No 10 said.

source.

BtheB ~ I don't believe for even the briefest moment that Britain's prime minister and politicians have the balls to upset the Muslim community. This will all come to nothing.

No deportations, no jailing... just limp-wristed 'cautions' to those imams who are caught raging on against the infidel.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:00pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

1.42 million slaughtered Iraqi civilians

And this number is increasing daily.

I'm quite sure you've been keeping a careful tally of the civilians killed by Muslim sectarian mass-murder since the Coalition left ... 8-)

I feel quite certain you haven't only been keeping a tally of the civilians killed by Western forces. 8-)

Hmmm ?

8-)

Enjoy

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:05pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

An excellent/logical/reasoned observation, Lionel_Edriess!

+++

We [the West] should just face up to the undeniable truth about ISLAM;
ISLAM is ~~a religion~~ a vicious supremacist political philosophy, which promotes the use of deception, blatant lying, intimidation and extreme violence to further its aims.

Our governments should declare ISLAM a proscribed organisation, imo....
Close all mosques.
Deport/expel ALL imams.
And seriously consider the forced internment [or expulsion] of all persons self declaring as moslems - e.g. those who declare;

"I am a moslem! Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Would you change your views of
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366970476/12#12

Quote:

.......Moslem 'asylum seekers', should be directed to seek sanctuary, in moslem/Sharia jurisdictions.
[....moslems insist that ISLAM is superior, so let moslems seek sanctuary, in a 'superior' moslem jurisdiction - where moslems will be sure to be happy and content. :P ]

And, because of the unremitting threat of acts of terror from those moslems living among us, the forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

The values which Western societies cherish [truth, justice, freedom], are totally incompatible with moslems/ISLAMIC 'values'.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:50pm

“We are forced by the Koran, in Sura al-Tawba, through many ayah in the Koran, we must fight them as they fight us.”

“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by corporate_whitey on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:07pm

Jesus said Christians are to be kind to people who do evil, show compassion and mercy on them....forgive them....

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:07pm

Fears of a copycat: Uniformed French soldier is stabbed in throat outside Paris

Last year, three French paratroopers were killed by a man police described as a French-born Islamic extremist who then went on to strike a Jewish school in the south of France, killing four more people.

There is a strange an inexplicable lack of diversity among the perpetrators of this sort of thing.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:24pm

Soren wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."

“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."

David Cameron should get a job as a spiv, for the UK moslem community!

from The muslim council of Britain - the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims

Quote:

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

Dictionary;
spiv = = a man, typically a flashy dresser, who makes a living by disreputable dealings.

There is not much sunlight, can be seen between the average moslem, and the average Western pollie, honesty-wise, imo.

Both are deceitful, lying, bast ards, imo.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:27pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Jesus said Christians are to be kind to people who do evil, show compassion and mercy on them....forgive them....

Jesus taught that repentance on the part of the wrong-doing person, was a requirement of his/her forgiveness.

And Jesus was showing the type of [spiritual] contrition before God, that is required within us, if we wish to be forgiven by God.

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:57pm

red baron wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Great Britain imported its own problems.

WEW are doing exactly the same thing. The Muslims will rise up against us here in the future. We have no one to blame but our own ignorance of the threat they represent.

Have you ever spoken to anyone from the original OWNERS of this continent?

DId the Aboriginal people of Australia inherit their problems or where these problems slammed onto their heads by the invading pompous arrogant Brits?

You, yourself may well be British!

lol

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

Herbert,

Quote:

Wow - is there a link for that?

[quote]'Mosques to be held accountable for choice of imams'

David Cameron is launching a new terror task force to crack down on extremism in the wake of the horrific murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, Downing Street has confirmed.

The Cabinet level group, which will also bring in intelligence and police chiefs when needed, will focus on radical preachers who target potential recruits in jails, schools, colleges and mosques.

It will monitor trends in radicalisation and tackle "poisonous narratives", No 10 said.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

bump

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm

bump - page would not flip

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Torpedo on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:05pm

ian wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:53pm:

True.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:10pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

Herbert,

Quote:

Wow - is there a link for that?

So Herbert - your "quote" of David Cameron was bullshit then?

Maybe Freediver should find out about it?[/quote]

Cameron is Jewish - like Gadaffi of Libya and Armejinedad of Iran

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm

Chimp -

Amadinnerjacket is not Jewish. ;D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:20am

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Chimp -

Amadinnerjacket is not Jewish. ;D

bobby, Amadinnerjacket is a Mossad agent, he is working for Israel.

Honest!

Those sneaky Zionists!!!!!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:03am

Dinnerjacket is Israel's worst enemy.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:04am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Have you ever spoken to anyone from the original OWNERS of this continent?

(In aboriginal culture there was no concept of 'ownership') ... but to continue ...

Unfortunately no.

And that's because during the decades I worked in Sydney's immigrant factories from 1962 I never once found an aborigine working alongside us.

A score of immigrant nationalities... 90% of it unskilled work on machines ... but not an aborigine did we see for decades.

They were in the early-opening pubs when we arrived for work .. and they were in the same pubs when we left for home.

Young, able-bodied part-aborigines.

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

DId the Aboriginal people of Australia inherit their problems

What 'problems' ?

They inherited a tax-payer funded free life-style from cradle to grave, with a score of government-funded agencies to help them if this dole wasn't enough.

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

or where these problems slammed onto their heads by the invading pompous arrogant Brits?

Do yourself a favour and read the book '1788' by David Hill. The early Brits were under government orders to treat the abos respectfully and in a friendly manner.

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

You, yourself may well be British!

lol

'lol' indeed. This must make you ... yes, YOU ... a willing partner in the theft of aboriginal lands and the destruction of their culture. According to your own wisdom, and as a resident of Australia - you yourself are guilty of receiving stolen goods off the British.

Glass houses, sucker! ;D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:25am

Herbert,
don't ignore my post:

Quote:

So Herbert - your "quote" from David Cameron was bullshit then?

Maybe Freediver should find out about it

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:28am

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

So Herbert - your "quote" of David Cameron was bullshit then?

Huh?

He said he will now initiate a far more draconian witchhunt for firebrand imams than is already in existence.

From this we can draw certain simple and logical conclusions (but not yourself, it would seem).

In order to find these anti-social imams, ALL the mosques and prayer room will have to be vetted.... otherwise, how would the authorities know who are the trouble-makers?

(With me so far? I can type a little slower if that'll help?)

Now ... (and this is where you have to strain your intellect) ... from what Divine Authority do you think these fire-brands have been basing their anti-British, anti-Western, anti-Infidel tirades upon? At a wild guess, could it be from passages in the Koran?

If you want to read those hateful passages from the Koran yourself, they are all on Google.

So! What the UK imams are left with to preach upon, up and down the British Isles, is a .... waaaaaait for it .... sanitised version of the Koran.

Otherwise they fall foul of MI5 and the Deportation Department.

Okay? 8-)

Am I forgiven, BobbytheBatshït?

What part of this don't you understand?

Quote:

The 'radicals' (sic) preach from the Koran ... the nasty bits.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:41am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

Did anyone see the children placing flowers at the memorial lite of the dead soldier, children of middle eastern appearance, so sweat, but that's another story for another day.

I didn't see it, but yes, it's a poignant image that bears keeping in mind.

I saw a young Negro man doing the same thing.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:51am

Dear Herbert,
you said that David Cameron said

Quote:

Prime Minister David Cameron is now "organising for the monitoring of all mosques throughout Britain in order to ensure that imams don't quote the parts of the Koran where it says that Muslims must maintain a war-footing against the Christian infidel."

This is not true - it was a false quote.
Apologise or I'll dob you in to FD.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:51am

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

That won't happen. The vast bulk of immigrant Muslims worship Mammon a lot more sincerely than they do 'Allah'. Why else would they choose to live in Western societies where 'Allah' has no place in the local culture?

Western living standards trumps 'Allah' every time.

They go to their mosques with bowed heads of hypocritical religiosity, with no intention of returning to their Islamic homelands.

Filthy lucre wins out with them every time.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:54am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

Dear Herbert,
you said that David Cameron said

Quote:

This is not true - it was a false quote.
Apologise or I'll dob you in to FD.

;D ;D ;D

Blow it out your ARSE!!

Have a Nice Day, batshït. ;D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:00am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Have you ever spoken to anyone from the original OWNERS of this continent?

(In aboriginal culture there was no concept of 'ownership') ... but to continue ...

...a very common misconception amongst the invading racist fascist British.

The aboriginal people do not value "INDIVIDUAL" ownership of land and material things. They have a collective notion of what the land is, it is respected as a life giver, and so access to everyone in the community is important.

Contrast this with the greed based abuse of the environment by the invading savages from Britain 200+ years ago. Clear forests, erect fences, introduces animals and plants that aren't suited for this land, pollute, destroy and enact UNSUSTAINABLE practices that wreak havoc throughout the continent

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:04am

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Chimp -

Amadinnerjacket is not Jewish. ;D

do some research - Amajinedad actually changed his family name. You knew that right? There are many Jews who live happily in Iran today - in fact Israel has been trying to persuade them to migrate to Israel but very few have moved - they seem to like Israel

Incidentally, if Iran is so threatening to Jews, why do Jews live happily in Iran today? Why aren't they wiped out?

You have to watch what comes out of Tel Aviv and Washington - expert liars and spin doctors - they have to be like that because they are carrying out land theft, and crimes against humanity on a daily basis

kneel and pray

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:17am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

Dear Herbert,
you said that David Cameron said

Quote:

This is not true - it was a false quote.
Apologise or I'll dob you in to FD.

;D ;D ;D

Blow it out your ARSE!!

Have a Nice Day, batshït. ;D

Dear Herbert,
may I suggest that you stop making up bullshit on Ozpolitics &
use only quotes that have a link to prove their authenticity?

You are no better than an old woman spreading gossip.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:14am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Contrast this with the greed based abuse of the environment by the invading savages from Britain 200+ years ago. Clear forests, erect fences, introduces animals and plants that aren't suited for this land, pollute, destroy and enact UNSUSTAINABLE practices that wreak havoc throughout the continent

What utter nonsense. Is this what the Socialist teachers at our public schools and universities are teaching you?

The Second Fleet Brits actually found themselves feeding the local abos because they were incapable of finding food for themselves.

Even those abos who were living around the Sydney harbour foreshores were so inept at catching their own food from the waters that the settlers gave them some of their fish.

These foreshore abos were so unsuccessful at fishing that they had vines tied tightly around their waists to stave off the pangs of hunger.

And then when the new settlers began successfully growing their own vegetables, the abos would come in and rob the fields at night... leaving the farmers to starve.

'1788' by David Mills. Read it, and wake up to yourself. Also read historian Keith Windschuttle's no-nonsense, no-PC account of those early days.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:18am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

Dear Herbert,
may I suggest that you stop making up bullshit on Ozpolitics &
use only quotes that have a link to prove their authenticity?

You are no better than an old woman spreading gossip.

There are any number of 'links' via Google.

What's your problem? Arthritic fingers?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:34am

Now how can you expect somebody with the mindset far inferior to a Chimpanzee to comprehend your post Herbert? His username is Chimp_Logic when he neither possesses the intelligence of an ape nor the logic of an amoeba? We know he's thick so why does he pretend to be an ape?

Maybe if we gave him a banana .......

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:43am

Soren wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

“We are forced by the Koran, in Sura al-Tawba, through many ayah in the Koran, we must fight them as they fight us.”

“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."

“We are forced by the Koran, in Sura al-Tawba, through many ayah in the Koran, we must fight them as they fight us.”

“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."i
In the wake of the Woolwich atrocity.

Once more, with feeling.....

Quote:

PLEASE WATCH THIS DELICIOUSLY FUNNY YT [below].
IT MAKES FUN OF OUR 'POLITICALLY CORRECT' MEDIA,
AND RIDICULES THE CREDULITY OF 'TERRORISM EXPERTS'.

Refusing to Name the Enemy in the War on Terror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM8qk3t52A

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:46am

This London episode (so far TEN people arrested) has prompted the Australian counter-terrorism police to get their finger out.

They started flushing out the rats in Sydney just this past 24 hours.

There'll be more. The police aren't waiting any longer.

For those who don't know Sydney, the suburb of Auburn is a Muslim enclave - mostly Turkish Muslims.

*********

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:48am

I find nothing "deliciously funny" in the slightest about this subject >:(

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:52am

Socrates wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

I find nothing "deliciously funny" in the slightest about this subject >:(

Socrates,

Watch the YouTube.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Morning Mist on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:09pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

Milad bin Ahmad-Shah al-Ahmadzai sounds very Arabic, not Turkish.

Anyway, it looks like there's some action on this butchering. They need to do something or they'll have to contend with the backlash of mob violence.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:43pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

Milad bin Ahmad-Shah al-Ahmadzai sounds very Arabic, not Turkish.

I didn't say he was. I said the suburb is a known Turkish Muslim enclave. It's not yet a Gated Community ... jesus.... others can come and go as they wish. Is it any wonder I so often have a pounding headache? ::)

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Anyway, it looks like there's some action on this butchering. They need to do something or they'll have to contend with the backlash of mob violence.

We can only hope so.

Not mob violence against any Muslims, but mob violence against Britain's politicians who engineered this situation in the first place.

Heads should roll.

New pro-British parties should be formed.

*****

Quote:

"Spy on your neighbours, says former MI5 head Stella Rimington
People who suspect their neighbours may be extremists should inform the security services because “the enemy is everywhere”, the former head of MI5 has said.

Think about this. It's hard to get to grips with this insane situation that Britain's own politicians initiated through immigration, and then sponsored through threatening the British public not to be 'racist' and 'bigoted'.

Here we have the one-time head of Britain's secret service saying these Muslim enemies of the British people are 'everywhere' in the home country. It's so ludicrous one could almost believe it's something out of a bad thriller novel.

400,000 Brits died in WWII to keep the enemy out ...

********

This is for gandalf ...
Quote:

Rigby was beheaded ... by two men who said the murder was motivated by the UK’s involvement in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

*********

Quote:

Nearly two-thirds of Britons believe there will be a clash between the Muslim population of the UK and the white non-Muslim population, according to a YouGov poll published on Saturday, which also showed that expectations of a serious clash rose 9 points to 59 percent.

Is Australia's continued immigration program for Muslims a good idea ... ?

Is that a no-brainer?

**********

Quote:

The number of respondents who believe Muslims pose a serious threat to democracy stands at 34 percent, up from 30 percent in November 2012. However, two-thirds of the YouGov respondents declared that they felt negatively about protests led by the EDL and BNP, and 84 percent said they would never join the EDL.

This is proof of a very sick society whose root-cause is the Muslim presence in the British homeland.

These are not the skinheads or the rat-bags giving their opinion. These are middle-of-the-road, buttoned-down Brits whose instincts tell them this ridiculous situation cannot go on forever without some sort of civil war in the future.

***

Quote:
Four hundred years ago, in April 1609 ... the Habsburg king Philip III secretly authorized the expulsion of the entire Muslim population of Iberia. Over the next four and a half years, approximately 300,000 men, women and children known pejoratively as ‘Moriscos’ or ‘half-Moors’ were forcibly removed from Spanish territory in what was then the largest ethnic deportation in European history.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

Dear Herbert,
may I suggest that you stop making up bullshit on Ozpolitics &
use only quotes that have a link to prove their authenticity?

You are no better than an old woman spreading gossip.

There are any number of 'links' via Google.

What's your problem? Arthritic fingers?

Listen here Pal,
you go and google this - your statement - a purported quote:

Quote:

David Cameron is now organising for the monitoring of all mosques throughout Britain in order to ensure that imams don't quote the parts of the Koran where it says that Muslims must maintain a war-footing against the Christian infidel.

Then - when you can't find it -
apologise to all the readers for misleading them - you liar.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

As I predicted, the Backdown has already begun.

The appeasement handwringers have been phoning around to tell the politicians to stop sounding so rightwing.

And so ...

Quote:

Plans to force millions of private landlords to carry out immigration checks on tenants to be watered down

'Watered down'. Yes indeed.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:36pm

Herbert is too pig headed to apologise even though I caught him red handed. :)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:51pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

Quote:

It was a report on what David Cameron intends to do.

Here's just one of the many sources... Enjoy!

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

Then - when you can't find it -
apologise to all the readers for misleading them - you liar.

How about this for betrayal, Bobby?

[quote]David Cameron studies plans for multi-faith Lords..

David Cameron is considering plans to create a "multi-faith" House of Lords where Muslim imams could sit alongside Anglican and Catholic bishops.

Good thinking, David! Help them into positions of power and influence even if you have to give them a leg-up through undemocratic means.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:52pm

software ...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:52pm

software...

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:54pm

Dear Herbert,
you are forgiven for false quotes.
Go & sin no more.

namaste

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:01pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Herbert is too pig headed to apologise even though I caught him red handed. :)

Don't use the term 'pig-headed' around here. It's offensive to any Muslims who might be lurking in amongst these threads.

The latest is that Britain's prime minister is now planning to install Muslims into the House of Lords. These will remain a foreign presence at Britain's highest level of government.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Herbert is too pig headed to apologise even though I caught him red handed. :)

Herbert - my forgiveness for your false quotes is not infinite.

Withdraw your last false quote.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:07pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

Dear Herbert,
you are forgiven for false quotes.
Go & sin no more.

namaste

Hai! Arigato. :)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:09pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

The latest is that Britain's prime minister is now planning to install Muslims into the House of Lords. These will remain a foreign presence at Britain's highest level of government.

Herbert - my forgiveness for your false quotes is not infinite.

Withdraw your last false quote.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/8470116/David-Cameron-studies-plans-for-multi-faith-Lords.html]source.

8-)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:12pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Herbert is too pig headed to apologise even though I caught him red handed. :)

Herbert - my forgiveness for your false quotes is not infinite.

Withdraw your last false quote.

Proof of this dog-sh*t British prime minister's betrayal.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

bambu wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

Grey wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Oh gawd, ;DLook it's a tragedy but the comments on here are side splitting. Whatever madness the Nigerians have got it seems to be catching.

Really?

Which community was to blame for the Breveik shooting?

We were all rightly disgusted by it , but I didn't hear any calls to expel white people from Norway.

No I don't agree with that.

I seem to be the middle road here.
I agree with parts of your comments and also there is an element of truth in your opponent Luke's comments as well.

Essentially people do want to just get on with their lives absolutely, that's the case here in London and also in Australia as well.
That point is correct from Luke - what he does miss though is the growing animosity of everyday people at the continued injustices and double standards afforded to late arrivals into this country and their appalling behaviour - of which this latest situation is an extreme example.

Everyday people in this country - be they Daily Mail readers if you like - are tired of being subjected to having to have our society changed for people who are not suited to this country.
Their laws and customs are not in tandem with ours and they do nothing but run this country down and take from our system.

Take Omar Bakri Mohammad as a prime example of that one.
It creates cretins like these two Nigerian fools who committed this recent act.
We should not tolerate it any further.

Now as regards the EDL, this is where I draw the line.
Far too often a pro-English, pro-British message is hijacked by the skinhead element just looking for a punch-on.
The EDL is not different to the BNP and/or its forerunner the National Front.

Too many of those idiots are simply looking to smash the city centre up and chuck a chair through the local wetherspoons.
They'd do it at this occasion or they'd do it at West Ham v Millwall - usually they don't have 3 brain cells to rub together so they aren't the answer.

What the country is crying out for is stern leadership.
Leadership on immigration, leadership on pulling us out of Europe, leadership on taking a stance on the continued undermining of British values and cultures.

We do not need apologists, we do not need NF louts.

We need something in between. People like where I am from, everyday middle class Britain looking to get on with our lives but in a country which does not pander to minorities.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Big Dave on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:32pm

The real enemy Herbert are the people for what ever misguided idea decided to meddle with our societies. That's what more people here in Australia are starting to realise. I once read this piece of crap in some elitist newspaper how the social engineers had this idea to pump the lower classes with massive immigration to diversify their genetic quality and 'bring them up". Divide and conquer is a more plausible idea. A population at loggerheads can't unite and become a threat. One things for sure is that they've destabilised our countries socially. Knowing this is the first step I suppose.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:47pm

Wow! Well said, Andrei Hicks.

That was a tour de force.

I agree entirely about the hooligan elements hijacking the task of getting Britain re-installed as the British homeland, without apology to the immigrant newcomers.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:21pm

Big Dave ~ I know from our young ones that they don't see our changed demographic in the same light as we do.

They are a lot more ignorant of the swindle that's been played on them by our Socialist politicians. They've lost the homeland their grandparents died for in the war, but they're not aware of this.

Since their earliest school days they've been brainwashed into believing that it's right and just that their generational homeland should be shared with a mass-influx of non-European immigrant foreigners under the auspices of 'multiculturalism'.

At our public schools they've been carefully groomed by the Socialists to believe that among all of Australia's over 150 different ethnicities they, and they alone carry a burden of guilt from their forefathers who first settled here as 'invaders' and 'thieves' of Abo lands.

I personally have worked with 9 different immigrant nationalities whose countries fought for Hitler while 6 million Jews were being killed.

But we mustn't mention that, must we. It's not PC or polite. i

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Big Dave on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:30pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

You don't see China or Turkey or most of the rest of the world giving up their racial and cultural sovereignty like our countries are. Peoples usually have wars to gain land. Willingly giving our lands away is definitely very strange. It's dangerous. I believe our kids are going to learn sooner or later Herbert when they try marrrying one of their daughters .

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:44pm

One of the fews rational voices commenting on this topic at the moment.

From an ex-British soldier and Conservative political candidate:

[/url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/terror-in-woolwich--a-soldiers-tale-uk-muslims--your-country-needs-you-8632401.html?origin=internalSearch[url]

Try and tell this guy he is not contributing to his country.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:48pm

Big Dave wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

Which ever Western country you look at, the ones who are creating a disturbance are always the Muslims.

We never hear negative reports from Britain, France, Sweden or Germany about their Chinese immigrants, or their Hindu Indians immigrants, or Filipinos, etc etc.

It's ALWAYS about some sort of goddamn agitation from the Muslims.

If you're a smoker you don't need matches or a lighter in some parts of Sweden right now. Muslims have torched a couple of cities. You can light your cigarette by leaning into a burning building or car.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:50pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

The link won't go through.

'Server not Found'

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:06pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

Oh you poor dear! It must be terrible for you.

I suppose if you didn't like it you could always move.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:09pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

There are plenty of rational voices on this current situation but as I said the apologists must own a lot of the current scenario in which we find ourselves.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

The link won't go through.

'Server not Found'

\
Terror in Woolwich - a soldier's tale: UK Muslims - your country needs you

You can put that in your google search, it is the first result.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:50pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Oh you poor dear! It must be terrible for you.

I suppose if you didn't like it you could always move.

Is this what you would have told Germany's generational Jews during Hitler's rise to power?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:31pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Terror in Woolwich - a soldier's tale: UK Muslims - your country needs you

You can put that in your google search, it is the first result.

Nice fellow, but a jibbering idiot if he believes we are so naive that he can slip a few of these fatuous comments past us without us noticing the contradictions.

Quote:

Mr Amin, who was one of the most senior Muslims in the British Army, says the country should be proud of its diversity.

Absolute garbage. This is the national homeland of the generational British people. There were no Blacks and no Muslims of any significant number until only recently. It's been a foreign ethnic takeover in suburb after suburb throughout Britain to the extent that whole neighbourhoods are now unrecognisable as being English.

By the degree that British society has been 'diversified' (ie. colonised) by immigrants, to that degree have the British had parts of their homeland towns and cities confiscated from them.

Quote:

"We are a unified country"

Utter nonsense.

It's only fear of the law that keeps the 'diverse' communities from rioting against each other as we have seen in the past.

And then this sadly confused foreigner (he's part of this post-WWII newly foreignised Britain)... goes on to say ...

Quote:

We have 60 million very diverse people, communities living side by side ...

"Very diverse" ... (translation) ~ un-English / un-British / foreign / alien / colonialists of foreign cultures and homelands where their first loyalties lie.

Utterly pathetic.

Fifth generation 'British' Pakistanis and Indians are still trekking backwards and forwards between Britain and their homelands.

Question, Luke: Who does this Indian-Britisher barrack for when India's national cricketing team comes over to the UK to play against the British national team... ?

Hmmm ... ?

Take a wild guess.

What did he say? .....

Quote:

"We are a unified country"

Come on Luke. I'm sure your heart's in the right place, but don't embarrass yourself like this.

There are enough already who are displaying themselves as victims of the 'Stockholm Syndrome'.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:39pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Oh you poor dear! It must be terrible for you.

I suppose if you didn't like it you could always move.

Is this what you would have told Germany's generational Jews during Hitler's rise to power?

My grandparents, you mean?

They would have treated your views with the same disdain as they did the Nazis.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Aussie on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:43pm

Quote:

This is the national homeland of the generational British people. There were no Blacks and no Muslims of any significant number until only recently. It's been a foreign ethnic takeover in suburb after suburb throughout Britain to the extent that whole neighbourhoods are now unrecognisable as being English.

By the degree that British society has been 'diversified' (ie. colonised) by immigrants, to that degree have the British had parts of their homeland towns and cities confiscated from them.

Can someone give Herbert a brown paper packet of boiled lollies, because he is correct. But.....he will not accept the absolute reality of it.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Terror in Woolwich - a soldier's tale: UK Muslims - your country needs you

You can put that in your google search, it is the first result.

Nice fellow, but a jibbering idiot if he believes we are so naive that he can slip a few of these fatuous comments past us without us noticing the contradictions.

Quote:

Mr Amin, who was one of the most senior Muslims in the British Army, says the country should be proud of its diversity.

We have 60 million very diverse people, communities living side by side ...

"We are a unified country"

Come on Luke. I'm sure your heart's in the right place, but don't embarrass yourself like this.

[/quote]

The guy does 6 tours of duty for the British Army and you want to know who he barracks for in the cricket!!!

You hold similar views to the Nazis and you are quite happy to label a British Soldier who has fought for his country as a gibbering idiot!

When somebody's racism is stronger than their patriotism, this is a cause for concern.

I know a lot of squaddies from growing up in Hong Kong and have the fiercest respect for them, regardless of their colour, their religion or their political views.

You should learn to respect those who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of their country, you coward.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 6:15pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

The latest is that Britain's prime minister is now planning to install Muslims into the House of Lords. These will remain a foreign presence at Britain's highest level of government.

Herbert - my forgiveness for your false quotes is not infinite.

Withdraw your last false quote.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/8470116/David-Cameron-studies-plans-for-multi-faith-Lords.html]source.

8-)

The link is invalid.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Deathridesahorse on May 28^th, 2013 at 7:16pm

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:23am:

What is a white honky trying to justify now?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Deathridesahorse on May 28^th, 2013 at 7:19pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

10% seems to be the magic number!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:43pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

The guy does 6 tours of duty for the British Army and you want to know who he barracks for in the cricket!!!

Yes, I do.

His stint in the British army has nothing to do with loyalty to Britain. It's his chosen career path, just as with the Gurkhas or the old Sepoys of the British army.

It was his job.

Now I want to see where his loyalties and his heart lies.

Which team does he barrack for?

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

You hold similar views to the Nazis and you are quite happy to label a British Soldier who has fought for his country as a gibbering idiot!

Correction: He's Indian - not British. He proudly talks about the many ethnics in Britain who are not 'British' for reason of being 'diverse' from the British identity.

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

When somebody's racism is stronger than their patriotism, this is a cause for concern.

It's more of a concern when amongst your own people there are legions of traitors whose socialist ideology sees them encouraging a foreign invasion by incompatible races, religions, and cultures to come swamp your homeland... and then labels people as 'racist', 'bigoted', and 'xenophobic' if they should happen to voice their objection to this.

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

I know a lot of squaddies from growing up in Hong Kong and have the fiercest respect for them, regardless of their colour, their religion or their political views.

Me too. I respect them. But that's not what we're talking about here.

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

You should learn to respect those who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of their country

Britain is not their country. It's only their workplace. Jetliners are burning trails through the sky everyday taking these people home to visit relatives and friends in India and Pakistan.

[quote author=lefowlerau link=1369252112/354#354 date=1369727245], you coward.

I worked in jobs were I was nearly killed on three occasions. Didn't quit.

Have a Nice Day, Luke.

And DO try to get a grip, old fellow.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

The link is invalid.

;D ;D ;D

Oh no, not you again?

Need I say it again?

BLOW IT OUT YOUR .... !! ;D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:58pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Oh you poor dear! It must be terrible for you.

I suppose if you didn't like it you could always move.

Is this what you would have told Germany's generational Jews during Hitler's rise to power?

My grandparents, you mean?

They would have treated your views with the same disdain as they did the Nazis.

After the 6 Day War and a collection of Muslim countries that tried to wipe Israel off the map ~~ are you quite sure they would have taken a dim view of my tirades?

You're absolutely positive ... or you can't be too sure?

All I'm saying is that Muslim immigration should be stopped immediately as a means of Damage Control.

Is that so wrong?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:58pm

bump

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:59pm

bump

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:00pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

So the global scandal involving sexual abuse of children by priests and the subsequent cover up by the Catholic Church doesn't warrant 'disturbance" status in your books?

Tacit approval maybe?

A big fan of Jim'll fix it perhaps?

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:06pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

;D ;D ;D

Are you sure you're not firing a scatter-gun here in the hopes of hitting a target?

I lived in Hong Kong for 4.5 years... long before you were born, I dare say.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:10pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Oh you poor dear! It must be terrible for you.

I suppose if you didn't like it you could always move.

Is this what you would have told Germany's generational Jews during Hitler's rise to power?

My grandparents, you mean?

They would have treated your views with the same disdain as they did the Nazis.

Probably not for you or your Nazi party mates Adolf.

You've already sprouted your support for ethnic cleansing and publicly attacked a British soldier merely because of his cultural background.

So yes, my grandmother outsmarted real Nazis in Poland and ate pathetic little Neo-Nazis like you for breakfast when she made it to England.

Believe me, I saw her stand up to a skin-head in Eccles one day when I was a small child. The skinhead backed down.

That was the day I learned you and your ilk are cowards and will never win.

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Post by Luke Fowler on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:11pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

;D ;D ;D

Are you sure you're not firing a scatter-gun here in the hopes of hitting a target?

I lived in Hong Kong for 4.5 years... long before you were born, I dare say.

Really? I bet you made a lot of trips to Thailand.

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Post by it_is_the_light on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:33pm

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/tenth-arrest-in-uk-soldier-killing/story-e6frfkui-1226651762517

UK parliamentary committee to look at MI5
From: AAP
May 28, 2013 9:19PM

UK police have made their 10th arrest following the slaying of a British solidier in London.

BRITAIN'S parliamentary intelligence committee says it will carry out a report into whether UK intelligence services fell short before the killing of an off-duty British soldier in an apparent Islamic extremist attack.
Soldier Lee Rigby, 25, was murdered by two men wielding knives and meat cleavers last week near his barracks in southeast London's Woolwich area.
British officials say the two main suspects had been known to them for some time, and questions have swirled about whether authorities could have done more to prevent the killing.
Malcolm Rifkind, chair of Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee, told the BBC on Tuesday that MI5 has pledged to cooperate as the committee tries to "get to the bottom" of the agency's work.
He said the committee will "go where the evidence takes us" and judge if there was a problem.
British Prime Minister David Cameron and Parliament will receive a report after the committee's deliberations, he said, adding that some elements of the report may be redacted on national security grounds for public viewing.
Police have arrested 10 suspects - including the two who were shot and arrested immediately after the attack - in connection with Rigby's killing.
Meanwhile Counter-terrorism officers have been brought in to investigate an attack on two prison officers at a maximum security jail.
A male warder was left with a broken cheekbone after being held hostage by three male prisoners, two aged 25 and one aged 26, while a female prison officer received minor injuries as she attempted to help her colleague.
The North East Counter Terrorism Unit (CTU) has been called in to lead the investigation into the incident at HMP Full Sutton in Yorkshire amid reports that the inmates were Muslims inspired by the murder of Drummer Rigby.
It was reported that the attack was masterminded by Muslim fanatic Parviz Khan, who is serving a life sentence for plotting to behead a British soldier, but it later emerged he is not an inmate at Full Sutton.

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Post by bobbythebat1 on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:41pm

Good post Light,

hang em high.

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Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:03pm

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

;D ;D ;D

Are you sure you're not firing a scatter-gun here in the hopes of hitting a target?

I lived in Hong Kong for 4.5 years... long before you were born, I dare say.

Really? I bet you made a lot of trips to Thailand.

Playing the man and not the ball?

Poor form.

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Post by Herbert on May 29^th, 2013 at 7:44am

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Probably not for you or your Nazi party mates Adolf.

I abhor Nazis as much as I loath the Lefties who want to donate their own ancestral homelands to immigrant hordes who are 'proud' of maintaining a foreign identity that is 'diverse' from that of the host people.

In times past it took a lot less for someone to be shoved up against a wall and shot as a traitor.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

You've already sprouted your support for ethnic cleansing

I would support a program of voluntary 'repatriation' of Muslims, with financial incentives. One of the European countries (Denmark?) is doing this right now.

I would stop Muslim immigration and refugees influx immediately and for the foreseeable future.

I would immediately withdraw all British and Australian troops from Muslim countries.

I would stop all Foreign Aid going to Muslim countries.

The 'Multicultural' betrayal of the host people of Britain and Australia would be wiped out overnight. In its place would be an emphasis on integration and assimilation.

If you want your Australian-born kids to think of themselves as little clones of your pre-immigration homelands ~ then an expedited program of family deportation can be arranged without cost.

Anyone found practicing Sharia Law would be summarily frog-marched onto an international airliner headed for the Middle East.

All sermons in mosques to be conducted in English for transparency.

And a lot more ...

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

and publicly attacked a British soldier merely because of his cultural background.

No. I simply made a couple of corrections to the hogwash he was trying to put over us. I'm tired of self-proclaimed foreign identities who are 'proud' of their 'diversity' ~ having their cake and eating it too.

If they want to remain hyphenated Britishers or Australians then they shouldn't get upset and go running to the Racial Vilification Board if someone should happen to tell them they are only faux-Brits or faux-Aussies.

They can't have it both ways.

This fellow went to Afghanistan as a career-choice for bonus pay and a shortcut to rapid promotion. And God bless him, I say.

He didn't go there to ... "Defend Britain". Give me a break. Give us ALL a break. Stop romanticising about these people and start waking up to certain of the realities.

They have no intentions of becoming 'English' or 'Australian'.

[quote author=Herbert link=1369252112/350#350 date=1369723811]So yes, my grandmother outsmarted real Nazis in Poland and ate pathetic little Neo-Nazis like you for breakfast when she made it to England.

I'm glad she did. Good onya, babushka!

My aunt escaped from Stalin by going across Siberia to Harbin. Arrived in the UK in 1945 with only a little English. I lived with her for 4 years.

[quote author=Herbert link=1369252112/350#350 date=1369723811]Believe me, I saw her stand up to a skin-head in Eccles one day when I was a small child. The skinhead backed down.

Skinheads and all their ilk are human trash. I would have the whole lot of them forced into the army to learn discipline, trade skills, and a decent attitude.

[quote author=Herbert link=1369252112/350#350 date=1369723811]That was the day I learned you and your ilk are cowards and will never win.

That's what they said about the Brown Shirts during the 20's in Germany. My mother taught English in the German legation in Tientsin beneath a huge portrait of Hitler. She wasn't a Nazi.

The problem we have today, Luke, is that any politics that isn't a grovelling Leftwing capitulation to immigrants, Muslims, and 'Multiculturalism' is deemed to be 'Far Right' with the sound of jackboots in the background.

Have a Nice Day.

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Post by Herbert on May 29^th, 2013 at 7:54am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 10:03pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

;D ;D ;D

Are you sure you're not firing a scatter-gun here in the hopes of hitting a target?

I lived in Hong Kong for 4.5 years... long before you were born, I dare say.

Really? I bet you made a lot of trips to Thailand.

Playing the man and not the ball?

Poor form.

Luke is okay. For my sins, I don't always play a straight bat myself. Glasshouses.

He's rightfully angry because from the little I've said he has chosen to construct an entire identity and politics as being true of me.

He hasn't waited for the other pieces of the jig-saw puzzle to tumble off my keyboard.

Luke's heart is in the right place.

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Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29^th, 2013 at 8:32am

Muslim fanatics killed a man and cut his head off in a street of London
in front of everyone in broad daylight.

The only solution is the mandatory death penalty.

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Post by Herbert on May 29^th, 2013 at 9:10am

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Muslim fanatics killed a man and cut his head off in a street of London
in front of everyone in broad daylight.

The only solution is the mandatory death penalty.

After much discussion to find a way of saving these monsters from the Death Penalty, the Lefties started a scare-campaign by saying their execution would only make martyrs out of them.

They were already 'heroes' to the Cause. 'Heroes' or 'Martyrs' they had already qualified as Hall of Famers for the Extremists.

Leftwing media commentators grabbed this bullshit like it was the Holy Grail, and ran with it.

The Indonesians couldn't give a cracker about their postmortem martyrdom. The Smiling Assassin and his fellow-fundamentalist was shot after their antics had cost over 200 lives at a tourist club.

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Post by Chimp_Logic on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:24am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

Good post Light,

hang em high.

Hang who? Bush, Howard and Blair?

great suggestion Batman

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Post by Chimp_Logic on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:26am

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Muslim fanatics killed a man and cut his head off in a street of London
in front of everyone in broad daylight.

The only solution is the mandatory death penalty.

What about the Jewish guys who slaughtered the students at the Columbine massacre? They specifically targeted Christian students with extra bullets in the head

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Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:20pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:24am:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

Good post Light,

hang em high.

Hang who? Bush, Howard and Blair?

great suggestion Batman

Yes - hang them too if they are found guilty of war crimes.

It seems like there would be few people left if I had my way. ;D

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Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:24pm

bump - page didn't flip.

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Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:25pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Muslim fanatics killed a man and cut his head off in a street of London
in front of everyone in broad daylight.

The only solution is the mandatory death penalty.

What about the Jewish guys who slaughtered the students at the Columbine massacre? They specifically targeted Christian students with extra bullets in the head

Yes - hang them too. :)

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Post by gandalf on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:59pm

Representatives from the Muslim Council of Coventry hand out white roses to fellow mourners at a memorial for British soldier Lee Rigby

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Post by Herbert on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

Representatives from the Muslim Council of Coventry hand out white roses to fellow mourners at a memorial for British soldier Lee Rigby

Kudos to them. It's good that they are making this public gesture of reconciliation.

But it still remains that this Muslim in the picture may have Islamic beliefs on a whole range of social issues that are radically different to what the average Britisher believes is correct.

It's important not to over-romanticise the image of this Saracen giving a small child a rose.

It's good PR, but .... a lot of questions remain unanswered.

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Post by Innocent bystander on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:54pm

More mosques should be built to stop young Muslims becoming radicalised, Australia’s Grand Mufti has warned …

“People need to understand a mosque is not a source of threat,’’ he said. “A mosque is not a radicalising factor. A mosque is a source of security. A person who has a connection to a mosque is also a person who is law-abiding, who is respectful to others.”

;D

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Post by Herbert on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:21pm

Innocent bystander wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Mosques are towering symbols of a foreign invasion that eventually hopes to reduce the Infidels to Dimmitude.

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Post by Innocent bystander on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:56pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Mosques are towering symbols of a foreign invasion that eventually hopes to reduce the Infidels to Dimmitude.

Wells theres no end of western lefty twats lining up for that fate ;D

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Post by gandalf on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:14pm

Innocent bystander wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Laugh away innocent, but actually it is supported by evidence:

from a report into causes of radicalisation by British intelligence:

Quote:

Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.

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Post by Herbert on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:41pm

Let them go ahead and 'radicalise' to their heart's content.

"Build more mosques as a solution for preventing our youths from becoming mass-murderers" ...

Are they kidding? Are these people really serious?

Any religious group living in the West that has this insane potential for mass-murder should be rounded up immediately and forcibly deported to all points East of Europe.

Such a religion should be outlawed as a menace and a health hazard to the general public.

Western politicians have no right to play Russian Roulette with the lives of their citizens by playing host to an immigrant community whose religion is a danger to public safety.

Islam is as unstable as nitroglycerin. It's volatile.

It's liable to cause death and explosive amputations in the streets of our cities at any time.

But the Appeasers who run Britain's ruling elite want to pander to the Muslim leadership rather than tell them that THEY will be held accountable for any future radical preaching and brainwashing.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Lionel Edriess on May 29^th, 2013 at 6:26pm

"MOST people find it hard to imagine stabbing another human being, let alone almost decapitating someone with a meat cleaver.

To do so in broad daylight and in the middle of the road, while asking passers-by to take pictures, simply beggars belief.

Few can understand how the British jihadists Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale could be filled with such hate.

I'm ashamed to say I can. For I was similar to them once. ... " http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/i-was-a-radical-islamist-who-hated-all-of-you/story-fni0fiyv-1226652515525

I don't know whether this fellow remained a muslim, but he knows the trail to radicalism and has rejected Islamism.

If you ever wanted to know how radicals get started, read his article. If anyone ever needed a reason to rid western societies of this form of terrorism, the justifications are listed therein.

Radicals like Omar Bakri Muhammad and Anjem Choudary and our own Ibrahim Siddiq-Conlon should be dropped off at Tel Aviv airport.

And why not? It's just across the border to home.

One would imagine that they would keep their foul mouths shut until they crossed that border. And if they didn't, we all know that Israel is capable of understanding their attitudes.

And we no longer have a problem.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:57am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Laugh away innocent, but actually it is supported by evidence:

from a report into causes of radicalisation by British intelligence:

Quote:

Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes.

MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.

That last line, as far as that proposition applies to ISLAM, it is absurd and a falsehood.

Watch the YouTube; Undercaover Mosque, to understand/learn what moslems discuss within them.

Google;
undercover mosque

And there is evidence from around the world, that mosques are commonly used as meeting centres for political agitation, prior to rioting by moslems, after Friday sermons.

And mosques in many places around the world, have been known to have frequently been used as armories.

Mosques are certainly very important meeting centres, for moslems.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.... there are no 'moderate' moslems, because there is no moderate ISLAM!

A 'moderate' moslem, is a mythical, non-existent creature.

All moslems, are merely people who are biding their time, gathering their forces, for the war that moslems will inevitably initiate - with the local kuffar.

Google;
mosque political centre, friday sermons, riots

Google;
mosques, used by militants to store arms

+++

An ISLAMIC scholar, gives 'religious' advice to moslems, who are living within non-moslem host nations...[/b]

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Quote:

December 31, 2007
Pakistan Cleric: "We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019399.php

There are no 'moderate' moslems, because there is no moderate ISLAM!

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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Post by Yadda on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:12am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Laugh away innocent, but actually it is supported by evidence:

from a report into causes of radicalisation by British intelligence:

Quote:

Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes.

MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.

n.b.
It wasn't an infidel that made this declaration, this, call to arms!;

Google;
"The Mosques are our Barracks, the Domes our helmets, the Minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers"

Quote:

.....The Mosque in any Muslim community is more than a place of worship. It is also a political and social centre where sermons and lectures against the infidel can be preached. Where responses to perceived slights by the infidel against the Muslim, as in the Cronulla riot of 2005, are also organized such as from the Lakemba Mosque, which has been readily identified as the staging point for the payback raids against the infidel over the following three nights after the riot. The Mosque is used as a platform for every fundamentalist Islamic group, such as Hiz ut-tahir, which is an Islamic sect and is proscribed in several countries as an Islamic terrorist organization, but still has free rein here. The group recently held ‘Muslim Uprising’ events in Sydney to proclaim the coming of the Islamic Caliphate. [3]

http://www.protectionist.net/2012/02/03/what-is-a-mosque/

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Post by pansi1951 on May 30^th, 2013 at 7:33am

I don't think there has been enough blood shed by religious wars Yadda, keep the good fight going, your lot might win or might not, but it's worth the fight. It's not like you have enough common ground to ever get on with each other anyway. You all worship the same God???? nah! you need a bit more than that.

Good luck to both teams :)

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Post by Yadda on May 30^th, 2013 at 9:00am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 7:33am:

I don't think there has been enough blood shed by religious wars Yadda, keep the good fight going, your lot might win or might not, but it's worth the fight.

It's not like you have enough common ground to ever get on with each other anyway. You all worship the same God???? nah! you need a bit more than that.

Good luck to both teams :)

NOT, Yadda.

But not so sure about it not being many of teh posters here on OzPol.

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Post by Yadda on May 30^th, 2013 at 9:18am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 7:33am:

I don't think there has been enough blood shed by religious wars Yadda, keep the good fight going, your lot might win or might not, but it's worth the fight.

It's not like you have enough common ground to ever get on with each other anyway. You all worship the same God???? nah! you need a bit more than that.

Good luck to both teams :)

An ISLAMIC scholar, gives 'religious' advice to moslems, who are living within non-moslem host nations...[/b]

Quote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Quote:

December 31, 2007
Pakistan Cleric: "We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019399.php

A PIC OF, pansi, and many others - who only want a quiet life for themselves....

.....even while moslems have been MURDERING innocents, around the world, for the last 1,400 years.

"I don't want to know! Lets not confront, what is true. Because it might bite us too!!!"

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?i
THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

What Would Muhammad Do?
(a checklist of Muhammad's criminal acts)
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm

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Post by Yadda on May 30^th, 2013 at 9:19am

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Post by darkhall67 on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:57am

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

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And there we were thinking you lacked self awareness.

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Post by Yadda on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:13pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

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And there we were thinking you lacked self awareness.

I left myself wide open for that reply, didn't i! ;D :P

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Post by bobbythebat1 on May 30^th, 2013 at 2:23pm

Maybe we could send all the Muslims to Iran?

They would be there with all their friends. :)

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Post by Yadda on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 10:16am

Anjem Choudary in vile Woolwich rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yniLE75ooEY

Quote:

Published on Jun 4, 2013

HATE preacher Anjem Choudary has been filmed claiming murdered soldier Lee Rigby will "burn in hellfire".
He also told followers that Michael Adebolajo, accused of killing Lee in Woolwich, South London, is "a nice man".
Police have repeatedly failed to arrest Choudary over his inflammatory outbursts.
Vile Choudary told his followers Lee deserves no sympathy — but insisted those accused of his barbaric murder are martyrs.

The extremist preacher was caught on film claiming Drummer Lee, hacked to death in the street, would be tortured in hell for not being Muslim.
He added: "Allah said very clearly in the Koran 'Don't feel sorry for the non-Muslims.'
"So as an adult non-Muslim, whether he is part of the Army or not part of the Army, if he dies in a state of disbelief then he is going to go to the hellfire.
"That's what I believe so I'm not going to feel sorry for non-Muslims.

"We invite them to embrace the message of Islam. If they don't, then obviously if they die like that they're going to the hellfires."
Choudary, filmed speaking on Friday at his office near Walthamstow mosque in East London, refused to condemn Lee's alleged killers.
He said: "As far as they are concerned I believe that they were doing what they believed to be Islamically correct.
"Only Allah can judge them in the hereafter for what they did in their life. In their eyes they are martyrs and what I say is Allah may accept them into paradise.
"I believe all Muslims will eventually go to paradise."
Choudary also launched a disgraceful attack on Help for Heroes — the Armed Forces charity whose top Lee, 25, was wearing when he was singled out for attack in Woolwich, South London.

He said: "Who's the hero exactly? The person who's out in Afghanistan killing innocent women and children?
"What kind of world are we living in? The rest of the world doesn't think that they're heroes.
"I think we need to wake up to the reality. Hello, he's not a hero if he's out in Afghanistan shooting children is he?"
Choudary said the killing of Lee was "a drop in the ocean" compared to the wrongdoing of the British government.
The preacher, who gets up to £25,000 in benefits, added: "I think you need to blame the people who are inciting and who are radicalising these youths, which is really the British government.
"You need to take into account the hundreds of thousands of incidents of people slaughtered, of weddings bombed, of Muslims tortured, of innocent people kept in prison for over ten years.

"These are the crimes that have led to the state of tension."
Choudary was also full of praise for Michael Adebolajo, 28, who along with Michael Adebowale, 22, is accused of murdering Lee.
The preacher, calling Adebolajo by his Muslim name Mujahid, said: "I knew him for a number of years. Mujahid was a very nice man in fact. He attended lectures, went to demonstrations. There is no difference between him and many others who attended our activities."
Choudary, who ran outlawed extremist group al-Muhajiroun, has been repeatedly accused of encouraging impressionable young Muslims to become terrorists.
Despite numerous calls for his arrest, he remains at large.
On Friday, the fanatic insisted it is not him who should be locked up — but David Cameron and the security services. He said: "I believe that the British regime has jumped on to the bandwagon of anti-Islam and anti-Muslim frenzy which they've helped to whip up.
"The MI5 and Special Branch need to be investigated, David Cameron and his own regime need to be indicted for inciting murder and hate crimes."
He warned there would continue to be "harsh repercussions" here if Muslims continued to be killed in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Shadow Justice Secretary Sadiq Khan, a leading Muslim MP, said Choudary did not reflect the views of the Islamic community.
He said: "Nearly all British Muslims will be shocked.
"For Anjem Choudary to preach hatred and division on the back of the murder of Lee Rigby is an insult to his family and friends who are still mourning his loss.
"We must not allow him to hijack the religion of Islam or divide our communities."
Home Secretary Theresa May said: "I think Anjem Choudary has disgusting views and it is right that we look at how those views are being presented."

iAnjem Choudary
- it is really the policies of the British government which are radicalising young UK moslems
- [all] moslems are innocent [i.e. because they are moslems]
- in the UK innocent moslems are the ones who are imprisoned
- it is the non-moslems who are the criminals [because they are not moslems]

Yadda
- using moslem sophistry, moslems refuse to accept accountability for the violent behaviour of fellow moslems, instead, they always blame non-moslems for provoking moslem violence

n.b.
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

- it is the non-moslems who are the criminals [because they are not moslems]

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 10:32am

What does it say about the British leadership that they tolerate this propagandist for violent jihad?

How soon would it take for the pollies to act decisively if a white Christian was preaching hatred of the Muslims in the UK?

This is where the political system fails the majority.

There are 2 million Muslims in the London area alone, and none of the sitting members of the British parliament wants to risk the Muslim vote in his electorate.

So 'mum's' the word when it's a Muslim who's making a nuisance of himself.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 10:48am

It will all end in tears, as they say.

When the terrors begin, the left and the moslem camps will deny all responsibility [for the circumstances which have provoked a violent response against them], and will claim victimhood.

They always do - provocation, threats, intimidation, violence, .....but no responsibility.

When people refuse to confront a serious social ill, there are always negative consequences.

The reality can be denied.

But the consequences of the [denied] social ill are always unavoidable.

I know of no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.
Ulysses S Grant

Governments will always do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities.
Fund's Law

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:01am

Britain may be an Islamic nation within 20 years

When are we going to stop this Sh!t?

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/what-world/2013/jun/7/britain-may-be-islamic-nation-within-20-years/

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Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Socrates on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am

Is this the future of Australia and UK?

This is smacking wrong!

If we allow people like Carr, Rudd, and the green fvckers to dictate our ethnicity, these intruders will win!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 12:36pm

It begs the question: If they are born in the UK and are so enamoured with Islamic law and tradition, then what's stopping them from emigrating to a Muslim-majority country?

Answer: They worship the Western standard of living better than they do Allah.

It's not just wages that are keeping some of them in Britain ~ but it's also very much the Dole that stops a lot of them 'going home'.

The most dole-sucking ethnic community in the UK.... click 'Muslims and Unemployment'.

Yes ... it's the Usual Suspects.

Again.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 12:48pm

Socrates wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

Is this the future of Australia and UK?

This is smacking wrong!

If we allow people like Carr, Rudd, and the green fvckers to dictate our ethnicity, these intruders will win!

We should piss them all off to Iran.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 5:56pm

Socrates wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

Is this the future of Australia and UK?

This is smacking wrong!

If we allow people like Carr, Rudd, and the green fvckers to dictate our ethnicity, these intruders will win!

It's called globalisation: developers love new customers!

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:47pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

Is this the future of Australia and UK?

This is smacking wrong!

If we allow people like Carr, Rudd, and the green fvckers to dictate our ethnicity, these intruders will win!

It's called globalisation: developers love new customers!

CORRECT!

The entire business community loves mass-immigration, and the socialists love to see their agenda of an International Socialist One World Order coming along very nicely, thank you.

Their first priority is to smash nationalism with its loyalty to 'the homeland'.

Step 1. Initiate mass-immigration so that the local population is demographically rendered asunder in terms of cultural, racial, and religious homogeneity.

Step 2. Make criticism and antipathy towards these newcomers subject to punishment by law under 'vilification' clauses.

Step 3. Introduce into the national consciousness an ethos of 'celebration' for society now having become one of disunity, division, diversity, and cultural ghettoism under the auspices of a 'Multicultural Australia'.

Step 4. Encourage the generational Australian of British/Irish heritage to actually start boasting that his homeland has been sold out to incompatible immigrant foreigners so that it has become a generic, no-name brand, Anybody's Land where 'patriotism' is equated with 'Hansonism' and racist intolerance.

The English have gone quietly into the night, shepherded by their International Socialist ruling class, and now the same thing is happening here.

Abbott will be no different.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by rodya on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 3:57am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

Is this the future of Australia and UK?

This is smacking wrong!

If we allow people like Carr, Rudd, and the green fvckers to dictate our ethnicity, these intruders will win!

It's called globalisation: developers love new customers!

I tend to disagree with that last point. Abbott will try to cauterize this wound to the Anglophile psyche.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by rodya on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 4:01am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

Is this the future of Australia and UK?

This is smacking wrong!

If we allow people like Carr, Rudd, and the green fvckers to dictate our ethnicity, these intruders will win!

It's called globalisation: developers love new customers!

I tend to disagree with that last point. Abbott will try to cauterize the wound to the Anglophile psyche you so painfully speak of.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Yadda on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 4:58am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

It's not just wages that are keeping some of them in Britain ~ but it's also very much the Dole that stops a lot of them 'going home'.

The most dole-sucking ethnic community in the UK.... click 'Muslims and Unemployment'.

Yes ... it's the Usual Suspects.

Again.

There are many aspects to Jihad against Allah's enemies.

There is the, kill the infidels [if an opportunity presents itself] Jihad.
There is the, rape ["she had no right to say no" MSK ] Jihad.
There is the, sophistry [deceive and confuse and divide the infidels] Jihad.
There is the, hate the infidels in your heart, but smile to their faces Jihad. :) "ISLAM is peace - honest!"
And there is the, don't pay tax to the infidel state Jihad....

e.g. #1,

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005
.....The Saviour Sect was established 10 months ago......They are so opposed to the British state that they see it as their duty to make no economic contribution to the nation. One member warned our undercover reporter against getting a job because it would be contributing to the kuffar (non-Muslim) system.
Instead, the young follower, Nasser, who receives £44 job seekers’ allowance a week, said it was permissible to “live off benefits”, just as the prophet Mohammed had lived off the state while attacking it at the same time. Even paying car insurance was seen as supporting the system. “All the (Saviour Sect) brothers drive without insurance,” he said.

Google
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350297679/67#67

e.g. #2,

Quote:

January 7, 2003
Mufti arrested after police struggle
Police will summons the spiritual leader of Australia's Muslim community, following a struggle with a highway patrol officer in Sydney's west yesterday morning.
"The police officer, he try to do his job but not the Australian way," the Mufti said. "I think he try the Chicago way, not Australian way."
Police say the car was found to be unregistered and uninsured and a struggle followed.

Google
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350297679/68#68
...by the way, this 'Mufti' in this story above, is the very same "uncovered meat" Hilali.

e.g. #3,

Quote:

Hardline clerics urge tax cheating
Richard Kerbaj
March 13, 2007
HARDLINE Muslim clerics are encouraging their followers to cheat the tax system because they consider paying income tax contrary to Islamic law.
[read...paying Kuffar taxes is supporting the non-ISLAMIC political system]
Muslim leaders have warned that fundamentalist imams who put sharia law ahead of Australian law are also condoning welfare fraud and the cash economy as tax-evasion methods.
Sydney-based Islamic leader Fadi Rahman told The Australian that the extremist clerics who were preaching messages against paying income taxes were also staunchly opposed to Western ideologies, including the Australian way of life.
He said he had heard hardline clerics at Friday sermons in Sydney highlight the importance of cheating the tax system.

Google
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350297679/68#68

e.g. #4,

Quote:

Radical Imam tells Muslims in Holland not to pay taxes, to harm Dutch state
April 2, 2007
Dutch Imam Salam Urges Followers To "Harm State" Counseling "Don't Pay Taxes"
By Beila Rabinowitz and William A. Mayer
April 2, 2007 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - Ahmed Salam, the radical Imam from Tilburg, Holland who outraged a significant part of the country's population in November of 2004 when he refused to shake the hand of then Dutch Minister of Immigration Rita Verdonk, on the religious grounds that he would not touch the hand of a woman, has not moderated his radical Islamist agitation.
This despite having taken a integration course paid for by the Dutch government.
In fact he is stepping up his campaign.
Salam, who only speaks Arabic though having been in the country for over 15 years, was reported by the Netherlands based Brabants Dagblad as having called upon his followers, "Do harm to the Dutch state, don't pay taxes."

Google

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 6:15am

atticus wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 3:57am:

I tend to disagree with that last point. Abbott will try to cauterize this wound to the Anglophile psyche.

Not a chance.

It was Abbott who became Pauline Hanson, David Ettridge, and One Nation's greatest Nemesis ~ even to the extraordinary degree that he financed and engineered them becoming Australia's first political prisoners in over 200 years under the guise of some political funding anomalies.

Abbott will go down in infamy as Australia's most notorious political thug for what he did to those two.

And NOW we're supposed to believe that when he comes to office he will pursue One Nation policies as his own ... ?

Don't hold your breath.

Abbott is a monster of conceit. It will be interesting to see if he survives his first term in office.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 2:04pm

rodya, you absolute joke: herbert is joining issues and you disagree with the last point!??!

::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by rodya on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 9:31pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

rodya, you absolute joke: herbert is joining issues and you disagree with the last point!??!

::) ::) ::) ::)

What? Are you assuming I agreed with the rest of his jaundice claims? I wasn't. I was disagreeing with his assertion that Abbott will not doing anything to stop the erosion of the Anglo superiority complex.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by rodya on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 9:39pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 6:15am:

atticus wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 3:57am:

I tend to disagree with that last point. Abbott will try to cauterize this wound to the Anglophile psyche.

That's drawing a long bow Mr Herbert. I did not suggest he will endorse the racial hatred of One Nation; only facilitate it, as Howard did circa 1998.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 7:12am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

rodya, you absolute joke: herbert is joining issues and you disagree with the last point!??!

::) ::) ::) ::)

None so blind as they who will not see .... ::)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 7:31am

atticus wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:

"Anglo superiority complex".

Aaaaah! Spoken like an ethnic of immigrant parents who is resentful of having to live in a British-designed society for it being a far better alternative to what your parents left behind in order to raise their living standards.

I understand your pain, Rodney, but there's no need to bite the hand that feeds you.

I met a few of your resentful brethren during my years in Sydney's manufacturing industries. They were VERY pissed off at the notion of having to be here in this British colony in order to make a good living for themselves and their families.

It's not a matter of feelings of 'superiority' that irks you, Rodney, but rather, feelings of inferiority. It's all in your OWN mind.

Have a Nice Day, Rodney :)

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Herbert on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 8:02am

atticus wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

That's drawing a long bow Mr Herbert. I did not suggest he will endorse the racial hatred of One Nation; only facilitate it, as Howard did circa 1998.

Methinks you're having a bet both ways here.

He won't, but he will. 'Facilitating' racism is not the same as supporting racism, even though by facilitating racism one is in effect sponsoring racism.

I can feel a headache coming on, Rodney.

Make up your mind, please. Confusing me only sets off one of my migraine attacks again, and I know you don't want that to happen. 8-)

Howard said nothing more unreasonable than that he would prefer that Australia's predominately Anglo/Irish mainstream did not become swamped by Asians.

And then it was pointed out to him by his advisers that his own seat of Bennelong in Sydney had an Asian population that could nobble his future career as prime minister. Hence he sent letters of grovelling apology to every Asian family in Australia.

His Chinese electorate forgave him ... temporarily. It was later recorded that he lost his Bennelong seat to the ABC'c Maxine McKew upon the vote of the Asians. Chickens coming home to roost.

Australian politics is now all about seducing the ethnic vote. It's the minorities who win or lose elections for the political hopefuls.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by rodya on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 5:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

atticus wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:

I thought that might touch a raw nerve. How about I put it another way; the unavoidable devolution of the Butcher's Apron.

'Rodney'? Seriously? Time to learn some history lessons from your patron saint, Sir Enoch.

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by rodya on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 6:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 8:02am:

atticus wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

That's drawing a long bow Mr Herbert. I did not suggest he will endorse the racial hatred of One Nation; only facilitate it, as Howard did circa 1998.

Methinks you're having a bet both ways here.

He won't, but he will. 'Facilitating' racism is not the same as supporting racism, even though by facilitating racism one is in effect sponsoring racism.

I can feel a headache coming on, Rodney.

Make up your mind, please. Confusing me only sets off one of my migraine attacks again, and I know you don't want that to happen. 8-)

Howard said nothing more unreasonable than that he would prefer that Australia's predominately Anglo/Irish mainstream did not become swamped by Asians.

And then it was pointed out to him by his advisers that his own seat of Bennelong in Sydney had an Asian population that could hobble his future career as prime minister. Hence he sent letters of grovelling apology to every Asian family in Australia.

His Chinese electorate forgave him ... temporarily. It was later recorded that he lost his Bennelong seat to the ABC'c Maxine McKew upon the vote of the Asians. Chickens coming home to roost.

Australian politics is now all about seducing the ethnic vote. It's the minorities who win or lose elections for the political hopefuls.

I'm not a betting man, Mr Herbert.

You seem to have a penchant for big assumptions. Facilitating is not the same as sponsoring. If it was than global advertising agencies would not call a television network's sponsorship from a betting agency, a sponsorship. It is a sponsorship, and not a facilitation, because it is a binding contractual arrangement, and a partisan endorsement. I suggest you buy yourself a weighty thesaurus; unless you would like me to suggest some more accurate synonyms for you in the future.

As for your maladroit conclusion on Howard's racial disposition, I have no comment. Pitiful commentary on the fluctuating demography of an electorate is merely that, pitiful commentary. You cannot surmise a character judgement on that basis; it would be intellectually dishonest. The fact remains- he facilitated One Nation's popularity and their downfall by his unequivocal statement on Australian immigration in 2001- "we will decide upon who comes to this country, and the circumstances in which they come."

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 6:57pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 8:02am:

atticus wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

That's drawing a long bow Mr Herbert. I did not suggest he will endorse the racial hatred of One Nation; only facilitate it, as Howard did circa 1998.

Methinks you're having a bet both ways here.

He won't, but he will. 'Facilitating' racism is not the same as supporting racism, even though by facilitating racism one is in effect sponsoring racism.

I can feel a headache coming on, Rodney.

Make up your mind, please. Confusing me only sets off one of my migraine attacks again, and I know you don't want that to happen. 8-)

Howard said nothing more unreasonable than that he would prefer that Australia's predominately Anglo/Irish mainstream did not become swamped by Asians.

And then it was pointed out to him by his advisers that his own seat of Bennelong in Sydney had an Asian population that could hobble his future career as prime minister. Hence he sent letters of grovelling apology to every Asian family in Australia.

His Chinese electorate forgave him ... temporarily. It was later recorded that he lost his Bennelong seat to the ABC'c Maxine McKew upon the vote of the Asians. Chickens coming home to roost.

Australian politics is now all about seducing the ethnic vote. It's the minorities who win or lose elections for the political hopefuls.

That's because it's all about perpetual economic growth: and that means importing funny brown customers!

The developers love endless customers...............

This is the folly of growth: that joke called Anderson was talking about efficiency today btw!

What a weasel worded loser that one is!! He stutters more than abbott!! :D :D

Title: Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Post by Soren on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:28pm

one of the two men accused of murdering Fusilier Lee Rigby outside Woolwich barracks in May alleged he had been assaulted in Belmarsh prison.

It is understood Michael Adebolajo, of Romford, east London, lost two front teeth in Wednesday's alleged attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23367877

Prisoners often have a better sense of justice than the legal profession and politicians.