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Message started by lisa.greek on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:24am

Title: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by lisa.greek on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:24am
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-gets-a-touch-of-former-premier-kevin-rudd/story-e6freuy9-1226648668356

IS this really what I want from an Abbott government? The same as Labor, only better?
The excitement among conservatives at the now near-certain defeat of the Gillard Government in September is cooling.

It is being replaced with the realisation that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is not promising big changes, social or economic.

He is instead doing a Kevin Rudd. Rudd campaigned successfully in 2007 as Liberal-lite - someone like John Howard, but fresher.

Likewise, for all his rhetoric, Abbott is campaigning as Labor-lite - without the stuff-ups.

Like Labor, Abbott promises no big changes to industrial relations policies, even though employers are screaming for them.

Like Labor, Abbott claims he believes in "the science" of global warming, even though the world hasn't warmed for at least 15 years.

Like Labor, Abbott backs the referendum proposal to recognise local government, although it will give Canberra more control over every town hall.

Like Labor, Abbott supports a referendum to recognise Aborigines in the Constitution, backing a race-based law that will merely divide us into tribes.

Like Labor, Abbott promises a big new tax - a rise in the Medicare levy.

Like Labor, Abbott will waste billions of dollars to cut our emissions without cutting the temperature. He'll just waste a few billion less.

Like Labor, Abbott will scrap the baby bonus, but will channel more money to a parental leave scheme. Weren't the Liberals opposed to such discrimination against stay-at-home mothers?

Like Labor, Abbott refuses to even consider privatising the ABC, despite the ABC killing Fairfax newspapers, particularly by giving away free the online services its competitors must sell to survive.

Doesn't he see the ABC is morphing into a modern Pravda - a state-backed media behemoth so far to the Left that 40 per cent of its journalists vote Green, says a University of the Sunshine Coast survey?

Labor's attacks on Abbott disguise this same-same.

Take its latest meme, that Abbott plans to "cut to the bone" government spending.

Not true, sadly. Last week, Abbott in his Budget reply speech promised a net saving of just $1 billion a year, when government outlays next financial year will soar to $391 billion and we face a deficit of $18 billion.

"Cut to the bone"? That's barely a scratch.

Labor's stunning incompetence has blurred what was once a key difference - the carbon tax.

Labor admits the carbon price, now $23 a tonne, will fall to $12.10 when carbon trading starts in 2015, thanks to a collapse in Europe's support for warming policies that hurt industry.

In fact, the price will almost certainly be less. So what's the big difference between a carbon price under Labor of, say, $5 a tonne, and Abbott's plan to scrap the whole sorry thing?

Likewise, how profound a difference will scrapping the mining tax make, now it's revealed as a bit of a dud?

As for the education "reforms" now promised by Labor, remove the redirected funding and they amount to just $200 million a year over the next four years. Big deal.

Exactly where are any big differences?

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Doctor Jolly on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:32am
Bolt is an idiot.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Greens_Win on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:34am
So a vote for Lib is a vote for Lab ... same old same old.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by lisa.greek on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:35am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:32am:
Bolt is an idiot.



Oh fully agree - but to some of the tards on here he is the beez neez.    I was surprised at this article though - I doubt if LibHQ will be sending him the usual weekly check for these comments

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by bogarde73 on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:37am
Winning is everything. You do what it takes to win.
What you do after you've won is all up for grabs.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Swagman on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:40am
Why do you read Andrew Bolt?

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Greens_Win on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:46am

Swagman wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:40am:
Why do you read Andrew Bolt?



He has his finger on the pulse of conservatism in Australia ... alongside Alan Jones.

Seems all is not well and that could be why the conservative vote is splintering.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by longweekend58 on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by RightSadFred on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.


Also he can use the excuse he needs to clean up the ALP mess first before setting an agenda.

I find it amusing  all these ALP rusted on's giving political advice when the very party the are rusted onto is the most politically  inept government in history.


Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by lisa.greek on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.


Actually, from what Bolt is saying it looks like Abbott is agreeing with most of Labor's procedures and process.    The areas of cutbucks will only save a pittance.

If that's what we have to look at - and Bolt's opinion is correct, why change government?

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by lisa.greek on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:08pm

RightSadFred wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.


Also he can use the excuse he needs to clean up the ALP mess first before setting an agenda.

I find it amusing  all these ALP rusted on's giving political advice when the very party the are rusted onto is the most politically  inept government in history.



I would hardly call bolt an ALP rusted on.  He is one of the most anti Labor commenters there is!  That is why this particular piece surprised me

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Herbert on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:16pm

RightSadFred wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:02pm:
I find it amusing  all these ALP rusted on's giving political advice when the very party the are rusted onto is the most politically  inept government in history.


Correct, Fred!

But!

Abbott is still a worry.

For those who can't be bothered to read Lisa's Cut-n-Paste of what Bolt said in his article ... here's the audio version.

Just sit back with your Chardonnays, Bloody Mary's, and Red Bulls and listen to how it is that an Abbott government will be Labor-Right instead of the current Labor-Left.

He's no more a 'conservative' than was Liberal leader Malcolm Fraser or the politically duplicitous Malcolm Turnbull who would snatch up the Labour leadership in an instant if it was offered to him before the election.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Dnarever on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:39pm
Bolt worked out that with Abbott he may win but the problem is that he will win nothing.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by dsmithy70 on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.



Don't let cods see that, she'll start posting
"No carbon tax under a government I lead"
Under all your posts.
Funny how lying and betraying your values is now acceptable, yet for 2.5 years we've been subjected to moral piety

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by longweekend58 on May 23rd, 2013 at 1:03pm

lisa.greek wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:08pm:

RightSadFred wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.


Also he can use the excuse he needs to clean up the ALP mess first before setting an agenda.

I find it amusing  all these ALP rusted on's giving political advice when the very party the are rusted onto is the most politically  inept government in history.



I would hardly call bolt an ALP rusted on.  He is one of the most anti Labor commenters there is!  That is why this particular piece surprised me


then maybe he is not so much anti-labor as he is anti-incompetence. ever think of that?

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by lisa.greek on May 23rd, 2013 at 1:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 1:03pm:

lisa.greek wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:08pm:

RightSadFred wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.


Also he can use the excuse he needs to clean up the ALP mess first before setting an agenda.

I find it amusing  all these ALP rusted on's giving political advice when the very party the are rusted onto is the most politically  inept government in history.



I would hardly call bolt an ALP rusted on.  He is one of the most anti Labor commenters there is!  That is why this particular piece surprised me


then maybe he is not so much anti-labor as he is anti-incompetence. ever think of that?



Sure - but in his article he seems to be inferring that an Abbott government would simply follow the process' and policies of an outgoing Labor Government.  He also suggests that the planned savings under a Liberal Government would be minimal.

So if the outgoing incompetant Labor party policy is mirrored by an incoming Liberal Government - then by all means they must be incompetent as well - if Bolt's article is accurate

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Innocent bystander on May 23rd, 2013 at 2:11pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:32am:
Bolt is an idiot.




You'd be a good judge.  ;D

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Herbert on May 23rd, 2013 at 2:25pm
Bolt can be irritating on his Sunday morning show, but at least he is presenting an opposing view to the usual leftwing sycophantic bullshit we get from the mainstream media.

And to my surprise, each week he brings on former and current Leftwing heavy-weight politicians to argue the toss on the various issues.


Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by longweekend58 on May 23rd, 2013 at 3:55pm

lisa.greek wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 1:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 1:03pm:

lisa.greek wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:08pm:

RightSadFred wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Abbott is taking the smart path to the lodge. his is promising nothing that will be controversial. ONce he is there he knows he has at last 6 years to implement his real vision.


Also he can use the excuse he needs to clean up the ALP mess first before setting an agenda.

I find it amusing  all these ALP rusted on's giving political advice when the very party the are rusted onto is the most politically  inept government in history.



I would hardly call bolt an ALP rusted on.  He is one of the most anti Labor commenters there is!  That is why this particular piece surprised me


then maybe he is not so much anti-labor as he is anti-incompetence. ever think of that?



Sure - but in his article he seems to be inferring that an Abbott government would simply follow the process' and policies of an outgoing Labor Government.  He also suggests that the planned savings under a Liberal Government would be minimal.

So if the outgoing incompetant Labor party policy is mirrored by an incoming Liberal Government - then by all means they must be incompetent as well - if Bolt's article is accurate


and in the subtitle he also opined that Abbott would be as much labor-lite as Rudd was Liberal-lite as he first claimed to be.

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Dnarever on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:19pm

Innocent bystander wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:32am:
Bolt is an idiot.




You'd be a good judge.  ;D


and You'd be a good judge of that too. 

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by cods on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:34pm
WHAT THE>.. lefties reading Bolt... ok looks like he took a dig at Abbott makes him suddenly b elievable and worth a look... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by cods on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:36pm

Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:19pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 11:32am:
Bolt is an idiot.




You'd be a good judge.  ;D


and You'd be a good judge of that too. 




looks like dna has been taken over by sob... it feels so good to give it back... :o.

and you too. :P..oooooooooooo...

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Makka on May 23rd, 2013 at 7:38pm
Why shouldn't Abbott ME2

It worked for Rudd and many people support Rudd

So anyone who supported Labor in 2007 should not be having a go at Abbott for doing the same thing

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by lisa.greek on May 24th, 2013 at 7:23am

Makka wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 7:38pm:
Why shouldn't Abbott ME2

It worked for Rudd and many people support Rudd

So anyone who supported Labor in 2007 should not be having a go at Abbott for doing the same thing



Meh - it's just good shoving it up the tards noses when they continually had a go at rudd for "me2ing".     Looks like your own tin god is guilty of the same tactic.  Who would have thunk?   ;D ;D

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by lisa.greek on May 24th, 2013 at 7:24am

cods wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:
WHAT THE>.. lefties reading Bolt... ok looks like he took a dig at Abbott makes him suddenly b elievable and worth a look... ;D ;D ;D ;D



Why not?  Your mob constantly quote him, and smith and pickering.   All believable as well!  ;D ;D ;D.  Oh and jones, hadley, 2gb, yadda, yadda, yadda....

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Dnarever on May 24th, 2013 at 9:34am

Makka wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 7:38pm:
Why shouldn't Abbott ME2

It worked for Rudd and many people support Rudd

So anyone who supported Labor in 2007 should not be having a go at Abbott for doing the same thing


Why shouldn't Abbott ME2

Maybe because he has spent 4 years telling us all that Labor are incompetent and are going in the wrong direction?

Title: Re: Abbott Starts to ME2 Labor - Andrew Bolt's Take
Post by Dnarever on May 24th, 2013 at 9:56am

lisa.greek wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 7:24am:

cods wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:
WHAT THE>.. lefties reading Bolt... ok looks like he took a dig at Abbott makes him suddenly b elievable and worth a look...



Why not?  Your mob constantly quote him, and smith and pickering.   All believable as well!  .  Oh and jones, hadley, 2gb, yadda, yadda, yadda....



Lucky for the Libs that Bolt has no credibility.

Imagine if his opinion was worth something.

You would think that by now he would understand that virtually 100% of Lieberal governments are do nothing types.

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