Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called.

Well he is Geelong ATM looking like he's the PM.

matty wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called.

Agreed.  I'm with Amanda Vanstone on this one.

Change leader and go for a snap election ... does labor have the guts to throw the conservatives a curve ball.

____ wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

Change leader and go for a snap election ... does labor have the guts to throw the conservatives a curve ball.

Yep.

I've never believed the 14th September date.

Rudd in August is my tip.

Quote:

Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?

Who cares.
They've had 2 goes and failed miserably each time.
No more chances
they are bereft of talent
they should bugger off into the political abyss.

Grendel wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Quote: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour? Who cares. They've had 2 goes and failed miserably each time. No more chances they are bereft of talent they should bugger off into the political abyss.

I care - I don't like Fanta Pants or Speedo boy - anyone but those 2 - PLEASE!

The ALP has lost their way under their current head (she isn't a leader) and while a change might help, they'll probably lose anyway.

Still - the thought of speedo boy as p.m makes me shudder.

matty, will you take the helm if asked?

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 1:16pm: Quote: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour? Who cares. They've had 2 goes and failed miserably each time. No more chances they are bereft of talent they should bugger off into the political abyss. I care - I don't like Fanta Pants or Speedo boy - anyone but those 2 - PLEASE! The ALP has lost their way under their current head (she isn't a leader) and while a change might help, they'll probably lose anyway. Still - the thought of speedo boy as p.m makes me shudder.

nice completely immature comment from someone I'm hoping isn't old enough to vote.

You don't get to choose or vote for the PM their party and their electorates do.

apparently the ALp had lost its way and Gillard was going to fix that...  well as we can all see... she's really fixed it.

And before the same old stalkers and cheersquad have a mindless go at me again. let me just remind you that I liked Gillard and thought she was a great deputy.

To say this Julia and the others since have been a disappointment is a gross understatement.

matty wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called.

They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat.

Unfortunately I think they are stupid.
Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::)

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat.

The Libs were never winning that election, no matter who was leader. The plan was to minimise the damage as much as possible, which was in the end done quite well, still retaining 65 seats, and in position to almost take it in 2010.

skippy. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::)

He isn't an extremist, and he isn't a women basher. You just make stuff up, and seem to think that all righties are extremists.

skippy. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::)

Please provide the quote thanks Skippy...  I'm sure everyone here is aware of you being extremist.

I'm pretty sure being; a Rhodes scholar, a lifesaver, a member of the local Bushfire brigade, a sports nut and the founder of pollie pedal makes him some sort of extremist.

skippy. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen ... I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM.

Yes. I'd have to agree with that.

I don't particularly mind seeing the Libs get another go, but I object wholeheartedly to having Abbott as our country's Prime Minister.

Still, he isn't there yet ...

matty wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) He isn't an extremist, and he isn't a women basher. You just make stuff up, and seem to think that all righties are extremists.

Abbott is both. When are you going to challenge him Matty? We have already had the Matty for PM t shirts printed up. The fact you left the GREENS, just up the road from KFC in Top Ryde, to join the Libs for its animal companion/ lover policy makes you the perfect PM ,Matty. Don't you listen to fri yay trying to play soggy biscuits  with you Matty, we know your love of animals over rides any wish to play soggy biscuits with fri yay.

Grendel wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) Please provide the quote thanks Skippy...  I'm sure everyone here is aware of you being extremist. I'm pretty sure being; a Rhodes scholar, a lifesaver, a member of the local Bushfire brigade, a sports nut and the founder of pollie pedal makes him some sort of extremist.

He also helped a blind man run a marathon. What an inspiration, what a legend!

skippy. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:26pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) He isn't an extremist, and he isn't a women basher. You just make stuff up, and seem to think that all righties are extremists. Abbott is both. When are you going to challenge him Matty? We have already had the Matty for PM t shirts printed up. The fact you left the GREENS, just up the road from KFC in Top Ryde, to join the Libs for its animal companion/ lover policy makes you the perfect PM ,Matty. Don't you listen to fri yay trying to play soggy biscuits  with you Matty, we know your love of animals over rides any wish to play soggy biscuits with fri yay.

Where is your proof? You also know that I wasn't in the Greens.

matty wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:33pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:26pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) He isn't an extremist, and he isn't a women basher. You just make stuff up, and seem to think that all righties are extremists. Abbott is both. When are you going to challenge him Matty? We have already had the Matty for PM t shirts printed up. The fact you left the GREENS, just up the road from KFC in Top Ryde, to join the Libs for its animal companion/ lover policy makes you the perfect PM ,Matty. Don't you listen to fri yay trying to play soggy biscuits  with you Matty, we know your love of animals over rides any wish to play soggy biscuits with fri yay. Where is your proof? You also know that I wasn't in the Greens.

But you told us you were a member of the GREENS Matty, did you lie?
We can't have that on your T shirts Matty.
Ignore Grendal Matty, his love of animals is not what it seems. He just doesn't love his dog like you do,wink wink.

skippy. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:35pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:33pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:26pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) He isn't an extremist, and he isn't a women basher. You just make stuff up, and seem to think that all righties are extremists. Abbott is both. When are you going to challenge him Matty? We have already had the Matty for PM t shirts printed up. The fact you left the GREENS, just up the road from KFC in Top Ryde, to join the Libs for its animal companion/ lover policy makes you the perfect PM ,Matty. Don't you listen to fri yay trying to play soggy biscuits  with you Matty, we know your love of animals over rides any wish to play soggy biscuits with fri yay. Where is your proof? You also know that I wasn't in the Greens. But you told us you were a member of the GREENS Matty, did you lie? We can't have that on your T shirts Matty. Ignore Grendal Matty, his love of animals is not what it seems. He just doesn't love his dog like you do,wink wink.

Only Jewlair lies...Matty would never lie  :D

Grendel wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) Please provide the quote thanks Skippy...  I'm sure everyone here is aware of you being extremist. I'm pretty sure being; a Rhodes scholar, a lifesaver, a member of the local Bushfire brigade, a sports nut and the founder of pollie pedal makes him some sort of extremist.

and by contrast Gilllard is.... a politician and nothing else.

You know what is going to be interesting?  If Labor loses the Red Barren has vowed to stay in Parliament.  I don't believe for a second she will do that, but that is what she is saying.

So a possibility of the Labor leadership contested between Gillard who has union backing and Dudd who has popularity and might be electable? 

Or maybe she just wants to hang around and white ant him for vengeance.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:29pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) Please provide the quote thanks Skippy...  I'm sure everyone here is aware of you being extremist. I'm pretty sure being; a Rhodes scholar, a lifesaver, a member of the local Bushfire brigade, a sports nut and the founder of pollie pedal makes him some sort of extremist. and by contrast Gilllard is.... a politician and nothing else.

don't forget Julia does a lot of free legal work....oh, but only if you are a union scumbag and if you are screwing him....so that rules most of us out  ;D ;D

matty wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. The Libs were never winning that election, no matter who was leader. The plan was to minimise the damage as much as possible, which was in the end done quite well, still retaining 65 seats, and in position to almost take it in 2010.

Do you wake in the middle of the night and write down your dreams?

Grendel wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) Please provide the quote thanks Skippy...  I'm sure everyone here is aware of you being extremist. I'm pretty sure being; a Rhodes scholar, a lifesaver, a member of the local Bushfire brigade, a sports nut and the founder of pollie pedal makes him some sort of extremist.

None of that shows anything but his lifelong political history tells a consistent tale showing someone who consistently supported the most extreme option year after year decade after decade. Of course a few years of mentoring with a minder to approve every word and a historical re write fixes all the actual fact.

Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?

Both Labor and the Libs should.

No. Labour will be wiped out, Rudd is waiting in the wings until after the election.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 9:54pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:29pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) Please provide the quote thanks Skippy...  I'm sure everyone here is aware of you being extremist. I'm pretty sure being; a Rhodes scholar, a lifesaver, a member of the local Bushfire brigade, a sports nut and the founder of pollie pedal makes him some sort of extremist. None of that shows anything but his lifelong political history tells a consistent tale showing someone who consistently supported the most extreme option year after year decade after decade. Of course a few years of mentoring with a minder to approve every word and a historical re write fixes all the actual fact.

so being a volunteer and surf lifesaver and fitness nut is evidence of being extreme right-wing???

You are drinking from the same well as adelcrow and the same idiocy is flowing out.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 9:54pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:29pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:19pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:12pm: matty wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 12:28pm: Can anyone else see this? This is just a sneaking suspicion of mine. I just can't se that many MPs so willingly fall off the sinking ship with Gillard at the helm. Labor is stupid, but they can be very cunning, and I get the feeling that it will change leaders, but not until late July or early august, ie a few weeks before the writs are called. They would be stupid to copy the Libs under Howard and hang on to a lame duck PM while they are staring at a comprehensive defeat. Unfortunately I think they are stupid. Abbott is  the worst possible candidate for PM this country has ever seen, and  Labor are to blame for giving us the women bashing thug. I have no problem with a Liberal government, my problem is with the fvckwit they have as leader that will be our PM. The fact the likes of Grendel don't think Abbott is an extremist says it all. ::) Please provide the quote thanks Skippy...  I'm sure everyone here is aware of you being extremist. I'm pretty sure being; a Rhodes scholar, a lifesaver, a member of the local Bushfire brigade, a sports nut and the founder of pollie pedal makes him some sort of extremist. None of that shows anything but his lifelong political history tells a consistent tale showing someone who consistently supported the most extreme option year after year decade after decade. Of course a few years of mentoring with a minder to approve every word and a historical re write fixes all the actual fact. so being a volunteer and surf lifesaver and fitness nut is evidence of being extreme right-wing??? You are drinking from the same well as adelcrow and the same idiocy is flowing out.

That conservative comprehension problem raises its ugly head again.

Would you care to tell us what comments or actions of Tony Abbott in his time as Opposition Leader cause him to be cast as "Extreme Right Wing" then DNA?

I have to be honest and say I don't find him to be extreme at all.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 12:14am:

Would you care to tell us what comments or actions of Tony Abbott in his time as Opposition Leader cause him to be cast as "Extreme Right Wing" then DNA? I have to be honest and say I don't find him to be extreme at all.

Mr Fraser, who served as prime minister from 1975-83, reportedly has quit the Liberal Party over long-standing differences with its direction.

"Mr Fraser's resignation is highlighting some of the extreme policies that Mr Abbott and his opposition have been drawn to

http://www.afr.com/p/national/fraser_quit_because_abbott_too_extreme_rK9cyxr2hkiJodM6thTX9J

Past Lib PM's say he is extreme ???

Some quotes.

Writing for The Australian in October 2008, he claimed that paid parental leave – like abortion – was part of a "radical women's agenda" championed by extreme feminists in the Labor movement

Tony Abbott said “I won’t be rushing out to get my daughters vaccinated, maybe that’s because I’m a cruel, callow, callous, heartless bastard but, look, I won’t be“

Tony Abbott quotes –  Maternity Leave, over his Government’s dead body

Tony Abbott says Fr Nestor a priest struck off by the Vatican was “He was … a beacon of humanity at seminary,” as he vouched for the priests character before a court.

Father John Gerard Nestor, a priest from the Wollongong area in NSW was charged with the indecent assault. Tony Abbott gave a glowing character reference.

Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney was shot dead in a battle with Taliban in Afghanistan. A war the Liberal party sent Australian military personnel into. Talking about the death of MacKinney, Tony Abbott said “poo happens”.

I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

‘Climate change is absolute crap’  / ‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’

The government's emissions trading scheme is the perfect political response to the public's fears. It's a plausible means to limit carbon emissions that doesn't impose any obvious costs on voters....

...Whyalla will be wiped off the map by Julia Gillard’s carbon tax

I say to Julia Gillard, what have you got against the people of Gladstone? Why are you trying to close down Gladstone with your mining tax and your carbon tax?

We did take an ETS as our policy to the last election. We are prepared to have an ETS,

So we are taking this issue seriously and we would like to see an ETS which excludes agriculture, which protects Australian jobs, which doesn't damage export industries, which is at least as...

The argument [behind climate change] is absolute crap. However, the politics of this are tough for us.

Abortion is the easy way out. It’s hardly surprising that people should choose the most convenient exit from awkward situations.

There may not be a great job for [aboriginal people] but whatever there is, they just have to do it

Six months into an Abbott govt when we are sinking deeper into recession, the Aussie dollar has collapsed causing an inflation bubble and petrol prices spike above record levels. He is at war with unions over basic pay and conditions and unemployment is fast approaching double figures I wonder how long he will keep his job as leader of the Libs... ;D

Im kinda looking forward to saying "I told you so" to the right wing nut jobs who vote this hardline nutbag into power"  ;D

matty

Common sense would say no but given how many MP's are well off the reservation I can't recall a party is such massive panic as this lot nor can I recall a political party at any level being this politically stupid. If they change leaders it will be out of spite as I can't see any plus side to the idea.

It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now...

atticus wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now...

Why take it though?  Easier and better politically to see Gillard lead the party over the cliff.  Plus he doesn't need to negotiate with people who are likely not to be there after the election. 

So far in elections he is one for one, Gillard has none and looks set to lose one for a negative 2. 

Datalife wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

atticus wrote on Jun 8th, 2013 at 8:57pm: It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now... Why take it though?  Easier and better politically to see Gillard lead the party over the cliff.  Plus he doesn't need to negotiate with people who are likely not to be there after the election.  So far in elections he is one for one, Gillard has none and looks set to lose one for a negative 2.

Fair point, at least then in his own mind he could still go down in his auto-bio as Whitlam-esque. Tragically knocked from the throne, and a dignified Labor reformist. But some part of me thinks his disgust with a catastrophic defeat would be enough reason to step back up to the plate (provided he is drafted by the caucus). The real question is, do you think they have the courage to do that? As Ferguson, Creane, etc. did.

atticus wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now...

rodya

ALP have guts ?

They could respect democracy and stick it up the unions that own them.

The very fact the knifed a leader that was in a winnable position as opposed to Gillard who never looked like winning and has damaged brand ALP beyond repair in the short term ?

Comrade Fraser is more Left than Whitlam these days, why would the Liberal Party even care?

Grendel wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Comrade Fraser is more Left than Whitlam these days, why would the Liberal Party even care?

ex-PMs are a pain at best. Fraser is one of the worst. At least Hawke shuts up.

Ironically, Rudd kinda makes sense at the moment. Not that I think his ego would permit it but given that the election is well and truly lost and labor looks like losing 35-40 seats the Ruddster actually makes sense now.  There is only a few months left and while Gillard is still losing support, Rudd could halve the margin overnight to 15-20 seats which is HUGE in terms of the future.

A labor party that loses by such a relatively small margin can plan to rebuild a genuine assault on the government benches in 1-2 terms. A labor party that loses by the current expected margin will take 1-2 terms to even get enough members to form an opposition, nevermind a government.

Rudd gets to return to the Lodge, labor loses by far less and the opposition leader can be whoever.

Of course, Rudd wont go for it since his ego would not be fed by such a suicidal and self-less mission. And Gillard of course would never go willingly but would rather destroy the ALP for a generation rather than resign.

and that is why there will not be a federal labor government for 15 years - because there might not be a functional labor PARTY for at least 10 years.

Grendel wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Comrade Fraser is more Left than Whitlam these days, why would the Liberal Party even care?

No as he puts it- 'everyone around him has moved over to the right'. He does have a bone to pick after quitting the Liberal Party in 2010. Look at his character assassination of Abbott a couple of years back.

If the Polls don't start moving towards Julia soon, the Labour party will certainly play a last roll of the dice shifty closer to the election

THe Liberals will keep with Abbott as long as he is in front in the Polls against the lagging Julia.

If Labour shifts to Rudd or someone else, it will be at the 11th hour to catch the Libs wondering whether to ditch Abbott and go for a Turnbull type

At this stage, Labour cannot win - and will most likely be slaughtered at the polls (they didn't exactly have a big majority in the first place - in fact they didn't get a majority at all and needed the independents and greens to form office)

:)
Chimp_Logic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

If the Polls don't start moving towards Julia soon, the Labour party will certainly play a last roll of the dice shifty closer to the election THe Liberals will keep with Abbott as long as he is in front in the Polls against the lagging Julia. If Labour shifts to Rudd or someone else, it will be at the 11th hour to catch the Libs wondering whether to ditch Abbott and go for a Turnbull type At this stage, Labour cannot win - and will most likely be slaughtered at the polls (they didn't exactly have a big majority in the first place - in fact they didn't get a majority at all and needed the independents and greens to form office)

MMMMMM, I see how you came by your name. Does your logic also  tell you the Libs would have needed to do a deal with independents to form government also? Does it also tell you Abbott was a total failure at the negotiating procedure? he was still in his UNI days mindset of offering his ass as some sort of reward.