Apparently Shorten is under pressure to change to Rudd. Shorten is essentially the only thing keeping her in, as he commands about 7 votes. One of my sources tells me that the current numbers are about 54-47 in Gillard's favour, so which this space over the coming days. I hope that she stays, though, because she's the Coalition's best asset.

matty, what does it matter? Surely your sources also conclude that regardless, if the Coalition switches to you as their leader, then this election and many more futures ones will be sealed and delivered,  You'll only leave office on your own terms. Because you are a man of the people. So say I. So say your sources. So say the Australian people :)

Matty knows.

Yep, as Alvine says if Labor pull the switch arroo to Rudd the Libs already have Matty up their sleeve. Labor have no chance against a Liberal led coalition under the guidance of Matty. The dogs of Australia will be celebrating with Pal tonight at the prospect of same sex marriage between humans and dogs, all as a result of a Matty led coalition.

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Matty knows.

Mattys canine lover is friends with Shortens canine, hence all of Mattys inside info.

Matty your source, is that a Greens office near the shops?

Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor

Question
(1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose
(2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads

Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy

Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd?

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd?

who said he would win

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd?

Exactly.
Seems the conservatives are nervous about Rudd's Return.
Rudd is highly intelligent and would run rings around tony head punched abbott in an election campaign.

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd? who said he would win

You said he would lose, evidence? Because most polls on the subject put him in a winnable position. So ,Ill ask again, you said he would lose, how do you know?

veteran ABC reporter Barry Cassidy, who has contacts on both sides of parliament, said he believes Labor will change leader before the election. But he didn't say if he thought Rudd would be the one taking over.

My question is, if Rudd stands and loses the election, will he remain opposition leader after the election?

____ wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd? Exactly. Seems the conservatives are nervous about Rudd's Return. Rudd is highly intelligent and would run rings around tony head punched abbott in an election campaign.

The majority of the population are hanging out for someone they respect to vote for. Rudd seem s to fit the bill for many of them. I believe he could defiantly beat Abbott. Funny thing is, personally I'm not a fan of his, but I recognise he sh it's on Abbott as a leader.

HA! Just as I was writing the above post, Barry Cassidy on ABC news just said Gillard has lost a significant block of support - and that his sources in the caucus say there is only one person considered to take over - and thats Rudd.

Looks like its on now...

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

veteran ABC reporter Barry Cassidy, who has contacts on both sides of parliament, said he believes Labor will change leader before the election. But he didn't say if he thought Rudd would be the one taking over. My question is, if Rudd stands and loses the election, will he remain opposition leader after the election?

Why? Does it matter if he stays opposition leader? Would Abbott stay opposition leader if he loses?

Nothing will happen until Parliament rises for Winter recess.  That takes the outcome of ALP Leadership and its timing, and Election timing  away from Oakshot and Windsor, with whom Gillard had a direct agreement.

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

Nothing will happen until Parliament rises for Winter recess.  That takes the outcome of ALP Leadership and its timing, and Election timing  away from Oakshot and Windsor, with whom Gillard had a direct agreement.

Sorry Aussie but you're wrong because Matty Knows.

matty wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

Apparently Shorten is under pressure to change to Rudd. Shorten is essentially the only thing keeping her in, as he commands about 7 votes. One of my sources tells me that the current numbers are about 54-47 in Gillard's favour, so which this space over the coming days. I hope that she stays, though, because she's the Coalition's best asset.

Maqqa is a source? since when?

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

matty wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Apparently Shorten is under pressure to change to Rudd. Shorten is essentially the only thing keeping her in, as he commands about 7 votes. One of my sources tells me that the current numbers are about 54-47 in Gillard's favour, so which this space over the coming days. I hope that she stays, though, because she's the Coalition's best asset. Maqqa is a source? since when?

That's right John, matty is a highly regarded politician who has sources within the leftard garbage dump that is the Labor Party of Australia.  Matty however is not confirming if he himself will move on his leader, Tony Abbott.  The polling suggests if Matty becomes the new leader of the Liberal Party, the party would no longer even have to keep a coalition with the Nationals, and would obtain a primary vote of 57%.  Because Matty Knows.  It's as simple as that.

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd?

every poll
common sense

you do realise labor isn't just a smidge behind but rather SIXTEEN PERCENT?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:13pm: matty wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Apparently Shorten is under pressure to change to Rudd. Shorten is essentially the only thing keeping her in, as he commands about 7 votes. One of my sources tells me that the current numbers are about 54-47 in Gillard's favour, so which this space over the coming days. I hope that she stays, though, because she's the Coalition's best asset. Maqqa is a source? since when? That's right John, matty is a highly regarded politician who has sources within the leftard garbage dump that is the Labor Party of Australia.  Matty however is not confirming if he himself will move on his leader, Tony Abbott.  The polling suggests if Matty becomes the new leader of the Liberal Party, the party would no longer even have to keep a coalition with the Nationals, and would obtain a primary vote of 57%.  Because Matty Knows.  It's as simple as that.

I'm not sure about your figure of 57% .... that all depends on whether he will allow those homersexuals to marry

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:57pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd? who said he would win You said he would lose, evidence? Because most polls on the subject put him in a winnable position. So ,Ill ask again, you said he would lose, how do you know?

I said Labor would still lose

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:17pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:13pm: matty wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Apparently Shorten is under pressure to change to Rudd. Shorten is essentially the only thing keeping her in, as he commands about 7 votes. One of my sources tells me that the current numbers are about 54-47 in Gillard's favour, so which this space over the coming days. I hope that she stays, though, because she's the Coalition's best asset. Maqqa is a source? since when? That's right John, matty is a highly regarded politician who has sources within the leftard garbage dump that is the Labor Party of Australia.  Matty however is not confirming if he himself will move on his leader, Tony Abbott.  The polling suggests if Matty becomes the new leader of the Liberal Party, the party would no longer even have to keep a coalition with the Nationals, and would obtain a primary vote of 57%.  Because Matty Knows.  It's as simple as that. I'm not sure about your figure of 57% .... that all depends on whether he will allow those homersexuals to marry

Of course not John! What a leftard proposition!  If matty allows homersexuals to marry he'd be going against moral fiber of our society and as a result the polls will drop faster than they have for that red-headed baron witch that should be thrown out to sea in a chaff bag!!! No! No! No! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD! Matty won't be making those mistakes. He is too smart.  And his beloved wife, Lynne, would make a fantastic "First Lady."  Especially when she's still such a stunner, for her age ;)

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:03pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:57pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Even with Rudd in the chair - it's too late for Labor Question (1) Why would he take the leadership before the election if he knows they will lose (2) Why would he take on the leadership after the election when the double dissolution is still hanging over their heads Anyone taking on the leadership now will take a double whammy Who says Labor would lose under  Rudd? who said he would win You said he would lose, evidence? Because most polls on the subject put him in a winnable position. So ,Ill ask again, you said he would lose, how do you know? I said Labor would still lose

Oh, because you said.  :D
Like longloony you're delusional. The voters are screaming out for someone else to vote for other than Gillard or Abbott. Rudds a wanker, but I would love to see him come back and win just to rub sh it in the faces of Abbott and the conga line. Then Labor could just dump him again, job complete. ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:22pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:17pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:13pm: matty wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Apparently Shorten is under pressure to change to Rudd. Shorten is essentially the only thing keeping her in, as he commands about 7 votes. One of my sources tells me that the current numbers are about 54-47 in Gillard's favour, so which this space over the coming days. I hope that she stays, though, because she's the Coalition's best asset. Maqqa is a source? since when? That's right John, matty is a highly regarded politician who has sources within the leftard garbage dump that is the Labor Party of Australia.  Matty however is not confirming if he himself will move on his leader, Tony Abbott.  The polling suggests if Matty becomes the new leader of the Liberal Party, the party would no longer even have to keep a coalition with the Nationals, and would obtain a primary vote of 57%.  Because Matty Knows.  It's as simple as that. I'm not sure about your figure of 57% .... that all depends on whether he will allow those homersexuals to marry Of course not John! What a leftard proposition!  If matty allows homersexuals to marry he'd be going against moral fiber of our society and as a result the polls will drop faster than they have for that red-headed baron witch that should be thrown out to sea in a chaff bag!!! No! No! No! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD! Matty won't be making those mistakes. He is too smart.  And his beloved wife, Lynne, would make a fantastic "First Lady."  Especially when she's still such a stunner, for her age ;)

I hear Lynne is just a handbag. Mattys dog fido is the one that shares his bed.

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:43pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:22pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:17pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:13pm: matty wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Apparently Shorten is under pressure to change to Rudd. Shorten is essentially the only thing keeping her in, as he commands about 7 votes. One of my sources tells me that the current numbers are about 54-47 in Gillard's favour, so which this space over the coming days. I hope that she stays, though, because she's the Coalition's best asset. Maqqa is a source? since when? That's right John, matty is a highly regarded politician who has sources within the leftard garbage dump that is the Labor Party of Australia.  Matty however is not confirming if he himself will move on his leader, Tony Abbott.  The polling suggests if Matty becomes the new leader of the Liberal Party, the party would no longer even have to keep a coalition with the Nationals, and would obtain a primary vote of 57%.  Because Matty Knows.  It's as simple as that. I'm not sure about your figure of 57% .... that all depends on whether he will allow those homersexuals to marry Of course not John! What a leftard proposition!  If matty allows homersexuals to marry he'd be going against moral fiber of our society and as a result the polls will drop faster than they have for that red-headed baron witch that should be thrown out to sea in a chaff bag!!! No! No! No! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD! Matty won't be making those mistakes. He is too smart.  And his beloved wife, Lynne, would make a fantastic "First Lady."  Especially when she's still such a stunner, for her age ;) I hear Lynne is just a handbag. Mattys dog fido is the one that shares his bed.

That's right skippy, matty has always been an animal rights advocate. :)

I think a much more interesting discussion to be had is whether or not matty will preference Pauline Hanson?  My sources suggest that yes, he will. 

Thoughts?

Matty has obviously been in contact with the ABC. They are reporting " sources" known to them are saying  Gillard could be close to  standing down rather than be pushed.

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

Matty has obviously been in contact with the ABC. They are reporting " sources" known to them are saying  Gillard could be close to  standing down rather than be pushed.

Skip, surely you don't think that Matty would be getitng his news from the ABC? They are just a communist rag.  No, Matty has such political standing in this country that I bet even the leftard ABC is using HIM as their source.

Desperation is setting in as it gets nearer to voting time.  Kevin Rudd isn't going to be your saviour, and the fella with the long head Wee Willie Shorten has difficulty stringing two words together, so his support for KRudd isn't going to help.

You're stuck with Dillard.....

Socrates wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

Desperation is setting in as it gets nearer to voting time.  Kevin Rudd isn't going to be your saviour, and the fella with the long head Wee Willie Shorten has difficulty stringing two words together, so his support for KRudd isn't going to help. You're stuck with Dillard.....

If it's all the same, I think I'm going to take the word of Matty, a highly regarded Politician and the next prime minister of this country, over you.  Who are you, and what authority do you hold? Typical leftard.

matty

I have heard two theories on all this.

The obvious one that Rudd gets put back in as the leader then off to an election in August.

The other one is that it may not be Rudd but for sure the ALP are like a bunch of nervous sheep.
This one comes from one of the noisier ALP Sheep.

Something is going to happen in about 2 weeks.

My view is the ALP have to try to reaffirm Gillard's leadership, I think there will be a challenge either way, too many ALP MP's are clearly off the reservation and no one is respecting the Office of the PM, not even many senior ALP MP's.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

veteran ABC reporter Barry Cassidy, who has contacts on both sides of parliament, said he believes Labor will change leader before the election. But he didn't say if he thought Rudd would be the one taking over. My question is, if Rudd stands and loses the election, will he remain opposition leader after the election?

gandalf

Cassidy is completely left wing geez have you been to the ALP school of political judgement ?

He must of heard the same rumours I have heard may not be Rudd, I would not trust anything ALP sources say right now, this is the most dysfunctional I have seen any party federal or state. A chocolate wheel would be more strategic than the ALP right now.

RightSadFred wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:04pm: veteran ABC reporter Barry Cassidy, who has contacts on both sides of parliament, said he believes Labor will change leader before the election. But he didn't say if he thought Rudd would be the one taking over. My question is, if Rudd stands and loses the election, will he remain opposition leader after the election?   A chocolate wheel would be more strategic than the ALP right now.

;D we need a quotes thread.

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 8:49pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:04pm: veteran ABC reporter Barry Cassidy, who has contacts on both sides of parliament, said he believes Labor will change leader before the election. But he didn't say if he thought Rudd would be the one taking over. My question is, if Rudd stands and loses the election, will he remain opposition leader after the election?   A chocolate wheel would be more strategic than the ALP right now. ;D we need a quotes thread.

there used to be one wasn't there? or it could have bbeen something along the lines of 'dumbest comments' ... I think Maqqa featured in it many times.

labor is so low now under Gillardhead that such a late change of leader is quite feasible.

I am keeping my Kelpie, Border Collie cross out of sight.

Although she is way too smart to accept an offer to lead Labor.

And so much better looking than Gillardhead as well.

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 8:49pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:04pm: veteran ABC reporter Barry Cassidy, who has contacts on both sides of parliament, said he believes Labor will change leader before the election. But he didn't say if he thought Rudd would be the one taking over. My question is, if Rudd stands and loses the election, will he remain opposition leader after the election?   A chocolate wheel would be more strategic than the ALP right now. ;D we need a quotes thread.

skippy.

The ALP are providing work for the media/cartoonists is about the kindest thing I can say

I like the one they had on Insiders where they drew Custer's last stand, Abbott is the Chief indian ..... looking down at the ALP butchering each other with a very confused look.

You can make fun of me all you want, but if you recall, I told you all last year that a challenge was about to take place, and then it happened about five days after I said it would.

RightSadFred wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

matty I have heard two theories on all this. The obvious one that Rudd gets put back in as the leader then off to an election in August. The other one is that it may not be Rudd but for sure the ALP are like a bunch of nervous sheep. This one comes from one of the noisier ALP Sheep. Something is going to happen in about 2 weeks. My view is the ALP have to try to reaffirm Gillard's leadership, I think there will be a challenge either way, too many ALP MP's are clearly off the reservation and no one is respecting the Office of the PM, not even many senior ALP MP's.

I agree, Fred. It's going to be a very interesting few weeks, that's for sure. I just can't see that many MPs being prepared to walk off the cliff with her.

This said my hope is that she isn't deposed. The Coalition will win by a greater margin than if Rudd is, but either way, we will win.

matty wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:56pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 8:44pm: matty I have heard two theories on all this. The obvious one that Rudd gets put back in as the leader then off to an election in August. The other one is that it may not be Rudd but for sure the ALP are like a bunch of nervous sheep. This one comes from one of the noisier ALP Sheep. Something is going to happen in about 2 weeks. My view is the ALP have to try to reaffirm Gillard's leadership, I think there will be a challenge either way, too many ALP MP's are clearly off the reservation and no one is respecting the Office of the PM, not even many senior ALP MP's. I agree, Fred. It's going to be a very interesting few weeks, that's for sure. I just can't see that many MPs being prepared to walk off the cliff with her. This said my hope is that she isn't deposed. The Coalition will win by a greater margin than if Rudd is, but either way, we will win.

I can't see why Rudd can't challenge at the very last possible moment and call an election

The AEC have been at the ready for an election due to a hung parliament so we're all set

matty wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 11:53pm:

You can make fun of me all you want, but if you recall, I told you all last year that a challenge was about to take place, and then it happened about five days after I said it would.

If the leftards had listened to you, Matty, they could have made a fortune on Sportsbet.

Typical. They’d rather lose their shirts than take sound advice.

Matty, were you posting from Dunedin? How did you get onto the internet?

PLEASE EXPLAIN.

skippy. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:04pm: veteran ABC reporter Barry Cassidy, who has contacts on both sides of parliament, said he believes Labor will change leader before the election. But he didn't say if he thought Rudd would be the one taking over. My question is, if Rudd stands and loses the election, will he remain opposition leader after the election? Why? Does it matter if he stays opposition leader? Would Abbott stay opposition leader if he loses?

Did anybody prophecy these people? When a souffle absolutely, positively, read my lips, no intention of ever rising again, under any circumstances  ;D ;D ;D

now , the scene is this

the titanic is 1/2 way under.

gillard is standing in the captains room, with "not a clue"

all the snivelling little members from western sydney and qld are wailing to bill  shorten, the safety officer from the maritime union "save us, save us"

old slowcoach bill is wandering up and down the deck trying to find kevvie.

kevvie is off in a lifeboat, rowing like F*ck to get the hell out of there ;)

when kevvie gets rescued (and this could be as late as sept 14)  he will tell stories to the media of the heroism he dislayed in rowing off to get help.

the owners of the titanic will give him a nice little job in some embassy in china where they are setting up a cruise terminal and hopefully we never hear from that weasal again .

fair dinkum,  the man knows NOTHING of mateship and is less in tune with the average aussie battler than malcolm turnbull.  why would you want him ;)

matty

The rumours I am hearing is that it may not be Rudd.

Personally I doubt they will put Rudd back in, if it was a 100% guarantee of victory it would have already happened.

Even the polling suggests they will be short by 3-4 % from victory which is a typical election loss.

In reality I would not trust the ALP Chinese whispers right now, they are so far from united right now its pure guess work even for many of the ALP MP's.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 7:35am:

now , the scene is this the titanic is 1/2 way under. gillard is standing in the captains room, with "not a clue" all the snivelling little members from western sydney and qld are wailing to bill  shorten, the safety officer from the maritime union "save us, save us" old slowcoach bill is wandering up and down the deck trying to find kevvie. kevvie is off in a lifeboat, rowing like F*ck to get the hell out of there ;) when kevvie gets rescued (and this could be as late as sept 14)  he will tell stories to the media of the heroism he dislayed in rowing off to get help. the owners of the titanic will give him a nice little job in some embassy in china where they are setting up a cruise terminal and hopefully we never hear from that weasal again . fair dinkum,  the man knows NOTHING of mateship and is less in tune with the average aussie battler than malcolm turnbull.  why would you want him ;)

Maybe they should use the following as the ALP campaign song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkSRF-uHlWk

Harry would roll in his grave.

I am sure the Libs could come up with some name insertions and other Lyric changes.