Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer. With all due reverence to the classic movie Dumb and Dumber (don’t watch the sequel!) this movie could star Julia Gillard if there was to ever be the political remake of it.
Gillard’s political strategy skills have always been pretty average at best with the occasional foray into the poor category, but 2013 has shown us the New Julia or the Real Julia or whoever she is supposed to be today.  And this Julia is a downright terrible political tactician. Well behind in the polls at the start of this year, we saw the Government going after media with a set of draconian and obviously punitive legislation. You desperately need the media on board to help power your come-back so what is the obvious solution?  Punish them of course. Dumb.

So you have a leadership contender? Not really news since every party always has a few people around the periphery checking out the top job. Leadership fights are par for the course and can be unsettling to any party. So what do you do if you are the Labor Party? You take your fight to the airwaves and the streets and publically vilify the former PM and frankly, the only current Labor MP with a popularity above zero and the one-time holder of the most popular PM title ever.  Read that again. EVER! Dumber. But at least they are preparing for round three of the “let’s vent our collective spleen in public” game!

It would be hard to top such amateurish and frankly, infantile behaviour but our not-so-beloved PM has managed to pull out a ‘dumberer’. Against such worthy competition for dumbest stunt ever, Gillard decided to attack men. Not just content with maligning Tony Abbott with sexism charges and misogyny claims last year, this time she went after men – all men.  Pure political genius – if you were planning to lose by the biggest margin possible. If there was any doubt before that Gillard was the real sexist on the front bench then there is no more. The claim of misandry (men hating) has a lot of evidence and more is mounting.  Julia Gillard hates men. Pure and simple and increasingly difficult to deny.  So now we can scratch another couple percent of Labor’s woeful polls.
All throughout her term as PM Gillard has demonstrated a poor understanding of political strategy but instead of learning her craft and honing her skills as Tony Abbot has, she has gotten more arrogant and at the same time, much worse at her job. While Abbott has been improving his public performances and even developing some late-run skills in diplomacy and statesmanship, Gillard has been showing just what a disaster she has been as Prime Minister.

The gaffe-prone PM has claimed that the Coalition will get rid of women in parliament which is an offensive claim as well as manifestly stupid. But there is one thing Gillard has done for the future of women in parliament. She has set their cause back a generation. In the years after Gillard, women will be put off from entering politics because the big jobs will appear to be denied them and that will be because the experience of a woman PM was such a disaster that no party will want to risk it again for a long, long time. Julia Gillard is arguably the worst PM in history vying for the title from Billy MacMahon having already eclipsed Gough Whitlam’s efforts.

I don’t know what the next word after Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer is. Unfortunately, it appears I better go to work thinking one up. I will obviously need it.

Stay tune for the next act in “How I destroyed the ALP without really trying...”

After reading the title of this thread I would have sworn it would be a thread about Maqqa, progs and Longloser ... I guess I was wrong.

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

After reading the title of this thread I would have sworn it would be a thread about Maqqa, progs and Longloser ... I guess I was wrong.

given your inability to respond to the OP I guess you are at least dumber or is it dumberer?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:01pm: After reading the title of this thread I would have sworn it would be a thread about Maqqa, progs and Longloser ... I guess I was wrong. given your inability to respond to the OP I guess you are at least dumber or is it dumberer?

you title your thread dumb dumber and dumberer (now who's the dumb one, it's not even a word you moron) and then you expect serious comments? really?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer. With all due reverence to the classic movie Dumb and Dumber (don’t watch the sequel!) this movie could star Julia Gillard if there was to ever be the political remake of it. Gillard’s political strategy skills have always been pretty average at best with the occasional foray into the poor category, but 2013 has shown us the New Julia or the Real Julia or whoever she is supposed to be today.  And this Julia is a downright terrible political tactician. Well behind in the polls at the start of this year, we saw the Government going after media with a set of draconian and obviously punitive legislation. You desperately need the media on board to help power your come-back so what is the obvious solution?  Punish them of course. Dumb. So you have a leadership contender? Not really news since every party always has a few people around the periphery checking out the top job. Leadership fights are par for the course and can be unsettling to any party. So what do you do if you are the Labor Party? You take your fight to the airwaves and the streets and publically vilify the former PM and frankly, the only current Labor MP with a popularity above zero and the one-time holder of the most popular PM title ever.  Read that again. EVER! Dumber. But at least they are preparing for round three of the “let’s vent our collective spleen in public” game! It would be hard to top such amateurish and frankly, infantile behaviour but our not-so-beloved PM has managed to pull out a ‘dumberer’. Against such worthy competition for dumbest stunt ever, Gillard decided to attack men. Not just content with maligning Tony Abbott with sexism charges and misogyny claims last year, this time she went after men – all men.  Pure political genius – if you were planning to lose by the biggest margin possible. If there was any doubt before that Gillard was the real sexist on the front bench then there is no more. The claim of misandry (men hating) has a lot of evidence and more is mounting.  Julia Gillard hates men. Pure and simple and increasingly difficult to deny.  So now we can scratch another couple percent of Labor’s woeful polls. All throughout her term as PM Gillard has demonstrated a poor understanding of political strategy but instead of learning her craft and honing her skills as Tony Abbot has, she has gotten more arrogant and at the same time, much worse at her job. While Abbott has been improving his public performances and even developing some late-run skills in diplomacy and statesmanship, Gillard has been showing just what a disaster she has been as Prime Minister. The gaffe-prone PM has claimed that the Coalition will get rid of women in parliament which is an offensive claim as well as manifestly stupid. But there is one thing Gillard has done for the future of women in parliament. She has set their cause back a generation. In the years after Gillard, women will be put off from entering politics because the big jobs will appear to be denied them and that will be because the experience of a woman PM was such a disaster that no party will want to risk it again for a long, long time. Julia Gillard is arguably the worst PM in history vying for the title from Billy MacMahon having already eclipsed Gough Whitlam’s efforts. I don’t know what the next word after Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer is. Unfortunately, it appears I better go to work thinking one up. I will obviously need it. Stay tune for the next act in “How I destroyed the ALP without really trying...”

No offence, I stopped reading as it became a rather dull rant that stinks of misunderstanding.

For the most part, I will agree with Latham in that the destabilising that has occurred has been all Rudd, Rudd and Rudd.  Fact is, polls are crap. Rudd takes advantage of this and takes the fight to the streets. What choice does Gillard exactly have?

As for attacking men, while yesterday I agreed it was stupid, today watching the likes of Hockey and dumbf**k Brough I'd agree with her.  What a disgrace. What an utter disgrace to sit around, more than likely laugh, and only when it becomes public news to back track and claim they've never read it. The first ting they should've done is walked out. Full stop. They are either going for public office, or in public office. To sit around at a fundraiser where this types of things are considered "hilarious" is not befit of any politician.  As for Gillard, your claim she hates men is rubbish. She hates Abbott and his merry men. And they don't stnad for what I stand, and for the fact that they would participate in such casual sexism as politicians who should know better...well... I hate them too. They are a disgrace to my sex.

As for Abbott, well I'm sorry but again I bring up his maternity leave scheme and say that unless someone can show me otherwise, how does his maternity leave scheme NOT stink of a man who thinks women are the ones who need to stay home and be housewifes, and is putting in a policy that will guarantee it?  And his past statements on women?  it all goes towards his inner beliefs, and gaffes some may be, gaffes nonetheless tell us more about a person than their carefully written statements.

And lest we forget his punching frenzy.  Although recent news suggests he doesn't just intimidate women, but anyone who stands in his way. What a wank job.

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:01pm: After reading the title of this thread I would have sworn it would be a thread about Maqqa, progs and Longloser ... I guess I was wrong. given your inability to respond to the OP I guess you are at least dumber or is it dumberer? you title your thread dumb dumber and dumberer (now who's the dumb one, it's not even a word you moron) and then you expect serious comments? really?

you've never heard of the movie Dumber and Dumberer?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1371013167/0#0 date=1371013167]Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer. With all due reverence to the classic movie Dumb and Dumber (don’t watch the sequel!) this movie could star Julia Gillard if there was to ever be the political remake of it. Gillard’s political strategy skills have always been pretty average at best with the occasional foray into the poor category, but 2013 has shown us the New Julia or the Real Julia or whoever she is supposed to be today.  And this Julia is a downright terrible political tactician. Well behind in the polls at the start of this year, we saw the Government going after media with a set of draconian and obviously punitive legislation. You desperately need the media on board to help power your come-back so what is the obvious solution?  Punish them of course. Dumb. So you have a leadership contender? Not really news since every party always has a few people around the periphery checking out the top job. Leadership fights are par for the course and can be unsettling to any party. So what do you do if you are the Labor Party? You take your fight to the airwaves and the streets and publically vilify the former PM and frankly, the only current Labor MP with a popularity above zero and the one-time holder of the most popular PM title ever.  Read that again. EVER! Dumber. But at least they are preparing for round three of the “let’s vent our collective spleen in public” game! It would be hard to top such amateurish and frankly, infantile behaviour but our not-so-beloved PM has managed to pull out a ‘dumberer’. Against such worthy competition for dumbest stunt ever, Gillard decided to attack men. Not just content with maligning Tony Abbott with sexism charges and misogyny claims last year, this time she went after men – all men.  Pure political genius – if you were planning to lose by the biggest margin possible. If there was any doubt before that Gillard was the real sexist on the front bench then there is no more. The claim of misandry (men hating) has a The gaffe-prone PM has claimed that the Coalition will get rid of women in parliament which is an offensive claim as well as manifestly stupid. But there is one thing Gillard has done for the future of women in parliament. She has set their cause back a generation. In the years after Gillard, women will be put off from entering politics because the big jobs will appear to be denied them and that will be because the experience of a woman PM was such a disaster that no party will want to risk it again for a long, long time. Julia Gillard is arguably the worst PM in history vying for the title from Billy MacMahon having already eclipsed Gough Whitlam’s efforts. For the most part, I will agree with Latham in that the destabilising that has occurred has been all Rudd, Rudd and Rudd.  Fact is, polls are crap. Rudd takes advantage of this and takes the fight to the streets. What choice does Gillard exactly have? As for attacking men, while yesterday I agreed it was stupid, today watching the likes of Hockey and dumbf**k Brough I'd agree with her.  What a disgrace. What an utter disgrace to sit around, more than likely laugh, and only when it becomes public news to back track and claim they've never read it. The first ting they should've done is walked out. Full stop. They are either going for public office, or in public office. To sit around at a fundraiser where this types of things are considered "hilarious" is not befit of any politician.  As for Gillard, your claim she hates men is rubbish. She hates Abbott and his merry men. And they don't stnad for what I stand, and for the fact that they would participate in such casual sexism as politicians who should know better...well... I hate them too. They are a disgrace to my sex. As for Abbott, well I'm sorry but again I bring up his maternity leave scheme and say that unless someone can show me otherwise, how does his maternity leave scheme NOT stink of a man who thinks women are the ones who need to stay home and be housewifes, and is putting in a policy that will guarantee it?  And his past statements on women?  it all goes towards his inner beliefs, and gaffes some may be, gaffes nonetheless tell us more about a person than their carefully written statements. And lest we forget his punching frenzy.  Although recent news suggests he doesn't just intimidate women, but anyone who stands in his way. What a wank job.

the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men.

the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

[quote author=alevine link=1371013167/4#4 date=1371014390] the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men. the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent.

I think you're completely lost with regard to what is sexist and what isn't.  The fact that you disregard, and claim that Gillard's speech was appalling just shows that you're no better than Brough, Hockey and their master Tony.  Despicable. Rather than argue the points I make you simply revert back to your own rubbish - typical, typical, typical.   Interesting how Rudd's comments are about his mentality, and Gillard's about her physique and yet you think it isn't sexist.  Interesting that you don't wish to talk of Tony's gaffes or his own policy that HE instrumented, and instead want to simply call anyone calling him out "appalling."  Interesting that we have these types of "men" within the Liberal Party, who find it humerous to comment on a woman as if she were some peice of consumerist art and you stick with, "oh but her speech calling it out is appalling."  You are despicable. Disgusting that you find "nothing wrong with that." And instead find something wrong with "men in blue ties."  Yes. I get it, you're the dumberer.  Got it.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:09pm: [quote author=alevine link=1371013167/4#4 date=1371014390] the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men. the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent. I think you're completely lost with regard to what is sexist and what isn't.  The fact that you disregard, and claim that Gillard's speech was appalling just shows that you're no better than Brough, Hockey and their master Tony.  Despicable. Rather than argue the points I make you simply revert back to your own rubbish - typical, typical, typical.   Interesting how Rudd's comments are about his mentality, and Gillard's about her physique and yet you think it isn't sexist.  Interesting that you don't wish to talk of Tony's gaffes or his own policy that HE instrumented, and instead want to simply call anyone calling him out "appalling."  Interesting that we have these types of "men" within the Liberal Party, who find it humerous to comment on a woman as if she were some peice of consumerist art and you stick with, "oh but her speech calling it out is appalling."  You are despicable. Disgusting that you find "nothing wrong with that." And instead find something wrong with "men in blue ties."  Yes. I get it, you're the dumberer.  Got it.

Que the "Intellectual Elite" insult ;)


A+, Al

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:09pm: [quote author=alevine link=1371013167/4#4 date=1371014390] the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men. the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent. I think you're completely lost with regard to what is sexist and what isn't.  The fact that you disregard, and claim that Gillard's speech was appalling just shows that you're no better than Brough, Hockey and their master Tony.  Despicable. Rather than argue the points I make you simply revert back to your own rubbish - typical, typical, typical.   Interesting how Rudd's comments are about his mentality, and Gillard's about her physique and yet you think it isn't sexist.  Interesting that you don't wish to talk of Tony's gaffes or his own policy that HE instrumented, and instead want to simply call anyone calling him out "appalling."  Interesting that we have these types of "men" within the Liberal Party, who find it humerous to comment on a woman as if she were some peice of consumerist art and you stick with, "oh but her speech calling it out is appalling."  You are despicable. Disgusting that you find "nothing wrong with that." And instead find something wrong with "men in blue ties."  Yes. I get it, you're the dumberer.  Got it.

I think you are one of the few that aren't disgusted with Gillard today. if your standards are so low I wonder would you WOULD object to?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:09pm: [quote author=alevine link=1371013167/4#4 date=1371014390] the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men. the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent. I think you're completely lost with regard to what is sexist and what isn't.  The fact that you disregard, and claim that Gillard's speech was appalling just shows that you're no better than Brough, Hockey and their master Tony.  Despicable. Rather than argue the points I make you simply revert back to your own rubbish - typical, typical, typical.   Interesting how Rudd's comments are about his mentality, and Gillard's about her physique and yet you think it isn't sexist.  Interesting that you don't wish to talk of Tony's gaffes or his own policy that HE instrumented, and instead want to simply call anyone calling him out "appalling."  Interesting that we have these types of "men" within the Liberal Party, who find it humerous to comment on a woman as if she were some peice of consumerist art and you stick with, "oh but her speech calling it out is appalling."  You are despicable. Disgusting that you find "nothing wrong with that." And instead find something wrong with "men in blue ties."  Yes. I get it, you're the dumberer.  Got it. Que the "Intellectual Elite" insult ;) A+, Al

do u generally think that Gillard is not dismissive of men in a manner that is rather disturbing? On budget night she filled EVERY SEAT behind Swan with women. and on it goes. It would be pretty hard to fairly define her speech as anything less than sexist. It was a full-on assault on men and filled with lies (not surprising) and offensive nonsense.

as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:42pm:

[quote author=alevine link=1371013167/7#7 date=1371018359] I think you are one of the few that aren't disgusted with Gillard today. if your standards are so low I wonder would you WOULD object to?

Still no debate. Just the typical quick jab without substance.  Oh well. Have a nice day, longie.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:37pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:09pm: [quote author=alevine link=1371013167/4#4 date=1371014390] the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men. the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent. I think you're completely lost with regard to what is sexist and what isn't.  The fact that you disregard, and claim that Gillard's speech was appalling just shows that you're no better than Brough, Hockey and their master Tony.  Despicable. Rather than argue the points I make you simply revert back to your own rubbish - typical, typical, typical.   Interesting how Rudd's comments are about his mentality, and Gillard's about her physique and yet you think it isn't sexist.  Interesting that you don't wish to talk of Tony's gaffes or his own policy that HE instrumented, and instead want to simply call anyone calling him out "appalling."  Interesting that we have these types of "men" within the Liberal Party, who find it humerous to comment on a woman as if she were some peice of consumerist art and you stick with, "oh but her speech calling it out is appalling."  You are despicable. Disgusting that you find "nothing wrong with that." And instead find something wrong with "men in blue ties."  Yes. I get it, you're the dumberer.  Got it. Que the "Intellectual Elite" insult ;) A+, Al do u generally think that Gillard is not dismissive of men in a manner that is rather disturbing? On budget night she filled EVERY SEAT behind Swan with women. and on it goes. It would be pretty hard to fairly define her speech as anything less than sexist. It was a full-on assault on men and filled with lies (not surprising) and offensive nonsense. as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values.

Look at you try to fill in the dots, how amusing. It wasn't a full on assault on men. It was an assault on Tony Abbott and his party. And once again, if you were to actually debate the merits of this assault perhaps it would be interesting. But otherwise you can continue to feel your outrage with hot air.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values.

I am appalled & have been appalled at the treatment our PM has received since taking office.

You want me to be outraged well I am just not at this pathetic attempt to smear her again.

Yes I admit just like AL yesterday I just shook my head, but today after being outed again somehow it doesn't matter if it a liberal, I seem to remember a very different response when a VERBAL joke was made about Abbott & his CoS, calls on why government ministers hadn't walked, a very somber looking Hockey wagging his finger, yet this is in print, on the table hardly something they didn't know was there or coming, unlike a verbal joke.

The deflection I have seen, the venom I have heard, the personal insults, the use of personal grief as some sort of weapon sickens me >:(, and makes me wonder what we are becoming.

As usual, the double standard persists. It's okay for Gillard to be insulting, rude and offensive to men in her spec last night that was at a campaign rally called 'Women for Gillard's. Just imagine of it had been the reverse - a campaign called 'Men for Abbott, and Abbott had made similar comments? Oh what the outcry and moral high round would be from those of the left.

It's funny how we didn't see the same moral outcry from those of the left when a disgusting 'joke' was made about Peta Credlin, at an event attended by several Labor MPs about half of which did not leave after the 'joke' was made. Nor did we see it when a Labor backbencher called Julie Bishop a narcissistic bimbo.

matty wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

As usual, the double standard persists. It's okay for Gillard to be insulting, rude and offensive to men in her spec last night that was at a campaign rally called 'Women for Gillard's. Just imagine of it had been the reverse - a campaign called 'Men for Abbott, and Abbott had made similar comments? Oh what the outcry and moral high round would be from those of the left. Yes part of that is true, but it's what we have to live with given the history.  Not saying I support the fact that Tony would be called a sexist if he held a meeting of all men, but I'm saying reality is, given the history that's where we are as a western society. But that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. What I'm asking is for longie (or you if you really want to have a go) to explain how her comments re: Tony don't have merit given Tony's gaffes of the past, and his own developed maternity leave policY? not to mention his front bench and the senior positions on the front bench, which she was referring to, and now this menu fiasco.  None of what you said excuses the fact that they've in a way have proven her right. ANd it definitely doesn't excuse the fact that Hockey and Brough are both despicable men, that us other men should be condemning as much as possible (unless we agree with the comments, of course). It's funny how we didn't see the same moral outcry from those of the left when a disgusting 'joke' was made about Peta Credlin, we did, stop lying at an event attended by several Labor MPs about half of which did not leave after the 'joke' was made. They didn't laugh, pretend it didn't exist, and wait till it was headlines to show their disapproval.Nor did we see it when a Labor backbencher called Julie Bishop a narcissistic bimbo. Narcissistic, yes. Bimbo? no.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

matty wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 5:08pm: As usual, the double standard persists. It's okay for Gillard to be insulting, rude and offensive to men in her spec last night that was at a campaign rally called 'Women for Gillard's. Just imagine of it had been the reverse - a campaign called 'Men for Abbott, and Abbott had made similar comments? Oh what the outcry and moral high round would be from those of the left. Yes part of that is true, but it's what we have to live with given the history.  Not saying I support the fact that Tony would be called a sexist if he held a meeting of all men, but I'm saying reality is, given the history that's where we are as a western society. But that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. What I'm asking is for longie (or you if you really want to have a go) to explain how her comments re: Tony don't have merit given Tony's gaffes of the past, and his own developed maternity leave policY? not to mention his front bench and the senior positions on the front bench, which she was referring to, and now this menu fiasco.  None of what you said excuses the fact that they've in a way have proven her right. ANd it definitely doesn't excuse the fact that Hockey and Brough are both despicable men, that us other men should be condemning as much as possible (unless we agree with the comments, of course). It's funny how we didn't see the same moral outcry from those of the left when a disgusting 'joke' was made about Peta Credlin, we did, stop lying at an event attended by several Labor MPs about half of which did not leave after the 'joke' was made. They didn't laugh, pretend it didn't exist, and wait till it was headlines to show their disapproval.Nor did we see it when a Labor backbencher called Julie Bishop a narcissistic bimbo. Narcissistic, yes. Bimbo? no.

1. What exact comments do you mean, and what of the PPL?

2. I don't care about history. I care about the here and now. Women either want equaliy or superioroty. A lot of so-called feminists clearly want the latter, not the former.

3. So what if there are a limites number of women on the front bench? I couldn't care whether they're all men, all women or a 50-50 split. Right person for the right job.

4. No Labor MP spoke about the event until after it had happened. To their credit, some of them did leave but many
didn't leave, as well.

5. How do you know at Brought and Hockey laughed?

6. Moreover, how do you in any way link this to Abbott?

7. Your weak comment about Bishop pretty much proves my point.

matty wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 5:21pm: matty wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 5:08pm: As usual, the double standard persists. It's okay for Gillard to be insulting, rude and offensive to men in her spec last night that was at a campaign rally called 'Women for Gillard's. Just imagine of it had been the reverse - a campaign called 'Men for Abbott, and Abbott had made similar comments? Oh what the outcry and moral high round would be from those of the left. Yes part of that is true, but it's what we have to live with given the history.  Not saying I support the fact that Tony would be called a sexist if he held a meeting of all men, but I'm saying reality is, given the history that's where we are as a western society. But that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. What I'm asking is for longie (or you if you really want to have a go) to explain how her comments re: Tony don't have merit given Tony's gaffes of the past, and his own developed maternity leave policY? not to mention his front bench and the senior positions on the front bench, which she was referring to, and now this menu fiasco.  None of what you said excuses the fact that they've in a way have proven her right. ANd it definitely doesn't excuse the fact that Hockey and Brough are both despicable men, that us other men should be condemning as much as possible (unless we agree with the comments, of course). It's funny how we didn't see the same moral outcry from those of the left when a disgusting 'joke' was made about Peta Credlin, we did, stop lying at an event attended by several Labor MPs about half of which did not leave after the 'joke' was made. They didn't laugh, pretend it didn't exist, and wait till it was headlines to show their disapproval.Nor did we see it when a Labor backbencher called Julie Bishop a narcissistic bimbo. Narcissistic, yes. Bimbo? no. 1. What exact comments do you mean, and what of the PPL?  Again, read the comments before. Enough trying to rehash over and over. Ludicrous. 2. I don't care about history. I care about the here and now. Women either want equaliy or superioroty. A lot of so-called feminists clearly want the latter, not the former.  So it's okay in your opinion to have white only TV stations? As an example? 3. So what if there are a limites number of women on the front bench? I couldn't care whether they're all men, all women or a 50-50 split. Right person for the right job.  Done and dusted. I used to agree, but the issue is a lot more complex then the simple "most experienced" because the culture of the organisation is involved in it, and within the culture it could very well be that some men succeed better than women. 4. No Labor MP spoke about the event until after it had happened. To their credit, some of them did leave but many didn't leave, as well.  They didn't wait for it to be broken in the news. 5. How do you know at Brought and Hockey laughed? More than likely given they are now lying about not seeing it. It's an assumption, make what you will of it.  But if they didn't appreciate it then why hide in the first place? 6. Moreover, how do you in any way link this to Abbott?  Because Tony has as usual done the under the rug treatement. And I'm not linking THIS particular issue to Tony, so much so as the potential culture of sexism within the Liberal Party to the likes of Tony. 7. Your weak comment about Bishop pretty much proves my point That being?.

 

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer. With all due reverence to the classic movie Dumb and Dumber (don’t watch the sequel!) this movie could star Julia Gillard if there was to ever be the political remake of it. Gillard’s political strategy skills have always been pretty average at best with the occasional foray into the poor category, but 2013 has shown us the New Julia or the Real Julia or whoever she is supposed to be today.  And this Julia is a downright terrible political tactician. Well behind in the polls at the start of this year, we saw the Government going after media with a set of draconian and obviously punitive legislation. You desperately need the media on board to help power your come-back so what is the obvious solution?  Punish them of course. Dumb. So you have a leadership contender? Not really news since every party always has a few people around the periphery checking out the top job. Leadership fights are par for the course and can be unsettling to any party. So what do you do if you are the Labor Party? You take your fight to the airwaves and the streets and publically vilify the former PM and frankly, the only current Labor MP with a popularity above zero and the one-time holder of the most popular PM title ever.  Read that again. EVER! Dumber. But at least they are preparing for round three of the “let’s vent our collective spleen in public” game! It would be hard to top such amateurish and frankly, infantile behaviour but our not-so-beloved PM has managed to pull out a ‘dumberer’. Against such worthy competition for dumbest stunt ever, Gillard decided to attack men. Not just content with maligning Tony Abbott with sexism charges and misogyny claims last year, this time she went after men – all men.  Pure political genius – if you were planning to lose by the biggest margin possible. If there was any doubt before that Gillard was the real sexist on the front bench then there is no more. The claim of misandry (men hating) has a lot of evidence and more is mounting.  Julia Gillard hates men. Pure and simple and increasingly difficult to deny.  So now we can scratch another couple percent of Labor’s woeful polls. All throughout her term as PM Gillard has demonstrated a poor understanding of political strategy but instead of learning her craft and honing her skills as Tony Abbot has, she has gotten more arrogant and at the same time, much worse at her job. While Abbott has been improving his public performances and even developing some late-run skills in diplomacy and statesmanship, Gillard has been showing just what a disaster she has been as Prime Minister. The gaffe-prone PM has claimed that the Coalition will get rid of women in parliament which is an offensive claim as well as manifestly stupid. But there is one thing Gillard has done for the future of women in parliament. She has set their cause back a generation. In the years after Gillard, women will be put off from entering politics because the big jobs will appear to be denied them and that will be because the experience of a woman PM was such a disaster that no party will want to risk it again for a long, long time. Julia Gillard is arguably the worst PM in history vying for the title from Billy MacMahon having already eclipsed Gough Whitlam’s efforts. I don’t know what the next word after Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer is. Unfortunately, it appears I better go to work thinking one up. I will obviously need it. Stay tune for the next act in “How I destroyed the ALP without really trying...”

Glad to see you now understand the subjective power of the word 'infantile'.  :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:45pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:37pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:09pm: [quote author=alevine link=1371013167/4#4 date=1371014390] the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men. the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent. I think you're completely lost with regard to what is sexist and what isn't.  The fact that you disregard, and claim that Gillard's speech was appalling just shows that you're no better than Brough, Hockey and their master Tony.  Despicable. Rather than argue the points I make you simply revert back to your own rubbish - typical, typical, typical.   Interesting how Rudd's comments are about his mentality, and Gillard's about her physique and yet you think it isn't sexist.  Interesting that you don't wish to talk of Tony's gaffes or his own policy that HE instrumented, and instead want to simply call anyone calling him out "appalling."  Interesting that we have these types of "men" within the Liberal Party, who find it humerous to comment on a woman as if she were some peice of consumerist art and you stick with, "oh but her speech calling it out is appalling."  You are despicable. Disgusting that you find "nothing wrong with that." And instead find something wrong with "men in blue ties."  Yes. I get it, you're the dumberer.  Got it. Que the "Intellectual Elite" insult ;) A+, Al do u generally think that Gillard is not dismissive of men in a manner that is rather disturbing? On budget night she filled EVERY SEAT behind Swan with women. and on it goes. It would be pretty hard to fairly define her speech as anything less than sexist. It was a full-on assault on men and filled with lies (not surprising) and offensive nonsense. as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values. Look at you try to fill in the dots, how amusing. It wasn't a full on assault on men. It was an assault on Tony Abbott and his party. And once again, if you were to actually debate the merits of this assault perhaps it would be interesting. But otherwise you can continue to feel your outrage with hot air.

it was now an assault on all men and is viewed as such by most. it was not so much outrageous and offensive as it was plain PITIFUL.  just another nail in the coffin for the ALP that continues with the worst PM in its history.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:45pm: as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values. I am appalled & have been appalled at the treatment our PM has received since taking office. You want me to be outraged well I am just not at this pathetic attempt to smear her again. Yes I admit just like AL yesterday I just shook my head, but today after being outed again somehow it doesn't matter if it a liberal, I seem to remember a very different response when a VERBAL joke was made about Abbott & his CoS, calls on why government ministers hadn't walked, a very somber looking Hockey wagging his finger, yet this is in print, on the table hardly something they didn't know was there or coming, unlike a verbal joke. The deflection I have seen, the venom I have heard, the personal insults, the use of personal grief as some sort of weapon sickens me >:(, and makes me wonder what we are becoming.

it was a PRIVATE function with a huge number in attendance: 20.

when we are privy to the private functions of the ALP then go ahead. And in the meantime the comments at the Union COnference last time were distasteful and disgraceful yet the furore was..

missing. as usual

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:56pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:45pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:37pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:09pm: [quote author=alevine link=1371013167/4#4 date=1371014390] the only response that would have gained u credit would be to agree that Gillard's speech was appalling. to seek to dismiss it makes you look silly. a stupid menu which btw was NOT sexist; it was just offensive and rude. No comment on the comments about RUdd in the menu? of course not. poor, precious Gillard must by virtue of being a women be granted a completely different set of standards than men. the response to the menu further confirms that Labor is inherently sexist as well as grossly incompetent. I think you're completely lost with regard to what is sexist and what isn't.  The fact that you disregard, and claim that Gillard's speech was appalling just shows that you're no better than Brough, Hockey and their master Tony.  Despicable. Rather than argue the points I make you simply revert back to your own rubbish - typical, typical, typical.   Interesting how Rudd's comments are about his mentality, and Gillard's about her physique and yet you think it isn't sexist.  Interesting that you don't wish to talk of Tony's gaffes or his own policy that HE instrumented, and instead want to simply call anyone calling him out "appalling."  Interesting that we have these types of "men" within the Liberal Party, who find it humerous to comment on a woman as if she were some peice of consumerist art and you stick with, "oh but her speech calling it out is appalling."  You are despicable. Disgusting that you find "nothing wrong with that." And instead find something wrong with "men in blue ties."  Yes. I get it, you're the dumberer.  Got it. Que the "Intellectual Elite" insult ;) A+, Al do u generally think that Gillard is not dismissive of men in a manner that is rather disturbing? On budget night she filled EVERY SEAT behind Swan with women. and on it goes. It would be pretty hard to fairly define her speech as anything less than sexist. It was a full-on assault on men and filled with lies (not surprising) and offensive nonsense. as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values. Look at you try to fill in the dots, how amusing. It wasn't a full on assault on men. It was an assault on Tony Abbott and his party. And once again, if you were to actually debate the merits of this assault perhaps it would be interesting. But otherwise you can continue to feel your outrage with hot air. it was now an assault on all men and is viewed as such by most. it was not so much outrageous and offensive as it was plain PITIFUL.  just another nail in the coffin for the ALP that continues with the worst PM in its history.

Male Prime Minister. Male Deputy Prime Minister. Male Treasurer. Male Education Minister. Male Health Minister. Female Foreign Affairs Minister. Male Immigration Minister. Male Defence Minister. Male Leader of the Senate. Male Human Services Minister. Male Attorney General. Male Climate Change Minister. Male, and slightly off-the-mark, Regional Development Minister. Male Communications Minister. Female Innovation, Industry and Science Minister.

That's Tony's first ministry.

It wasn't an attack on all men. It was an attack on the potential Liberal government.
But continue making those dots, and at the same time dismissing the vagina being called a "big red box."  I suppose mussel was so horrible that we don't care anymore about the others?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:01pm: After reading the title of this thread I would have sworn it would be a thread about Maqqa, progs and Longloser ... I guess I was wrong. given your inability to respond to the OP I guess you are at least dumber or is it dumberer? you title your thread dumb dumber and dumberer (now who's the dumb one, it's not even a word you moron) and then you expect serious comments? really? you've never heard of the movie Dumber and Dumberer?

I don't care what movie you think you've seen. I saw a movie of aliens attacking earth once, do you also believe earth was attacked by aliens too?

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:36pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 3:01pm: After reading the title of this thread I would have sworn it would be a thread about Maqqa, progs and Longloser ... I guess I was wrong. given your inability to respond to the OP I guess you are at least dumber or is it dumberer? you title your thread dumb dumber and dumberer (now who's the dumb one, it's not even a word you moron) and then you expect serious comments? really? you've never heard of the movie Dumber and Dumberer? I don't care what movie you think you've seen. I saw a movie of aliens attacking earth once, do you also believe earth was attacked by aliens too?

Spoiler alert  :D

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 6:35pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:45pm: as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values. I am appalled & have been appalled at the treatment our PM has received since taking office. You want me to be outraged well I am just not at this pathetic attempt to smear her again. Yes I admit just like AL yesterday I just shook my head, but today after being outed again somehow it doesn't matter if it a liberal, I seem to remember a very different response when a VERBAL joke was made about Abbott & his CoS, calls on why government ministers hadn't walked, a very somber looking Hockey wagging his finger, yet this is in print, on the table hardly something they didn't know was there or coming, unlike a verbal joke. The deflection I have seen, the venom I have heard, the personal insults, the use of personal grief as some sort of weapon sickens me >:(, and makes me wonder what we are becoming. it was a PRIVATE function with a huge number in attendance: 20. when we are privy to the private functions of the ALP then go ahead. And in the meantime the comments at the Union COnference last time were distasteful and disgraceful yet the furore was.. missing. as usual

You and the press made plenty of hay at the time, go back and goggle the articles.
As for your deflection of numbers, how many exactly are required for a comment to become offensive ?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 6:35pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:45pm: as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values. I am appalled & have been appalled at the treatment our PM has received since taking office. You want me to be outraged well I am just not at this pathetic attempt to smear her again. Yes I admit just like AL yesterday I just shook my head, but today after being outed again somehow it doesn't matter if it a liberal, I seem to remember a very different response when a VERBAL joke was made about Abbott & his CoS, calls on why government ministers hadn't walked, a very somber looking Hockey wagging his finger, yet this is in print, on the table hardly something they didn't know was there or coming, unlike a verbal joke. The deflection I have seen, the venom I have heard, the personal insults, the use of personal grief as some sort of weapon sickens me >:(, and makes me wonder what we are becoming. it was a PRIVATE function with a huge number in attendance: 20. when we are privy to the private functions of the ALP then go ahead. And in the meantime the comments at the Union COnference last time were distasteful and disgraceful yet the furore was.. missing. as usual You and the press made plenty of hay at the time, go back and goggle the articles. As for your deflection of numbers, how many exactly are required for a comment to become offensive ?

something is offensive even if it is not seen by another person. However, the effect of that offense IS relative to how many saw it.

And now we find that the menu wasn't even at the event which his why nobody recalled it. A bit hard to be a major point of offense when it wasn't shown to anyone.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 7:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 6:35pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:45pm: as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values. I am appalled & have been appalled at the treatment our PM has received since taking office. You want me to be outraged well I am just not at this pathetic attempt to smear her again. Yes I admit just like AL yesterday I just shook my head, but today after being outed again somehow it doesn't matter if it a liberal, I seem to remember a very different response when a VERBAL joke was made about Abbott & his CoS, calls on why government ministers hadn't walked, a very somber looking Hockey wagging his finger, yet this is in print, on the table hardly something they didn't know was there or coming, unlike a verbal joke. The deflection I have seen, the venom I have heard, the personal insults, the use of personal grief as some sort of weapon sickens me >:(, and makes me wonder what we are becoming. it was a PRIVATE function with a huge number in attendance: 20. when we are privy to the private functions of the ALP then go ahead. And in the meantime the comments at the Union COnference last time were distasteful and disgraceful yet the furore was.. missing. as usual You and the press made plenty of hay at the time, go back and goggle the articles. As for your deflection of numbers, how many exactly are required for a comment to become offensive ? something is offensive even if it is not seen by another person. However, the effect of that offense IS relative to how many saw it. And now we find that the menu wasn't even at the event which his why nobody recalled it. A bit hard to be a major point of offense when it wasn't shown to anyone.

Then how did Brough know the details at Noon yesterday when the restaurant owner & apparent authour of the menu didn't contact him until yesterday evening after seeing the news?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 10:50am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 10:33am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 7:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 6:35pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:45pm: as a man with a sense of justice and equity you should be appalled by this women who clearly does not share such values. I am appalled & have been appalled at the treatment our PM has received since taking office. You want me to be outraged well I am just not at this pathetic attempt to smear her again. Yes I admit just like AL yesterday I just shook my head, but today after being outed again somehow it doesn't matter if it a liberal, I seem to remember a very different response when a VERBAL joke was made about Abbott & his CoS, calls on why government ministers hadn't walked, a very somber looking Hockey wagging his finger, yet this is in print, on the table hardly something they didn't know was there or coming, unlike a verbal joke. The deflection I have seen, the venom I have heard, the personal insults, the use of personal grief as some sort of weapon sickens me >:(, and makes me wonder what we are becoming. it was a PRIVATE function with a huge number in attendance: 20. when we are privy to the private functions of the ALP then go ahead. And in the meantime the comments at the Union COnference last time were distasteful and disgraceful yet the furore was.. missing. as usual You and the press made plenty of hay at the time, go back and goggle the articles. As for your deflection of numbers, how many exactly are required for a comment to become offensive ? something is offensive even if it is not seen by another person. However, the effect of that offense IS relative to how many saw it. And now we find that the menu wasn't even at the event which his why nobody recalled it. A bit hard to be a major point of offense when it wasn't shown to anyone. Then how did Brough know the details at Noon yesterday when the restaurant owner & apparent authour of the menu didn't contact him until yesterday evening after seeing the news?

oh give it up! it was a bloody menu!  a menu not even given out to anyone. and yes it was dumb stupid and offensive but hardly the stuff of scandal.

it is this faux outrage that so typifies a govt in absolute crisis and paralysis. a good govt would brush this off as the nonsense it is. Instead, it is the story of the day because let's face it, what is there the govt can talk about that is good?

PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE.

I think maybe I will find a few choice anti-Abbott comments from on here and pass it on to the media...  Sound fair to you?

What I will miss most if phony Tony becomes PM is the bitterness of being losers that the conga line of nuf nufs display on a daily basis. I can't wait to see them trying to defend the women basher when he stuffs up time and time again. Though I expect the song book will read, " Gillard was worse" . Problem is the intellectually bereft will actually believe it.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

oh give it up!

No, I'm holding the Liberal Party to the standards of behaviour & honesty they demand of others.

Peter Slipper sent a private text to 1 other person(who then went to social media, sound familiar?) describing a women's vagina & had to resign, what's the difference?

i think those mad lefties should keep banging on about drivel like this.  it only makes the man in the street feel even more alienated from their "selfish agenda"

as the man in the street struggles to pay his power bills or his rego, to hear gillard  and plibosek ranting about this trivia only makes him hate them more.

oh, they should sack their advisors :D :D :D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 11:02am: oh give it up! No, I'm holding the Liberal Party to the standards of behaviour & honesty they demand of others. Peter Slipper sent a private text to 1 other person(who then went to social media, sound familiar?) describing a women's vagina & had to resign, what's the difference?

what does the liberal party have to do with this? they neither created it, endorsed it or even saw it. Blame is one thing but it does need to be actually credible.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

With all due reverence to the classic movie Dumb and Dumber

Sorry...I couldn't let this pass. Since when could Dumb and Dumber be considered a "classic"?

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 2:59pm: With all due reverence to the classic movie Dumb and Dumber Sorry...I couldn't let this pass. Since when could Dumb and Dumber be considered a "classic"?

it is a very popular film if u like that kind of comedy.

skippy. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

What I will miss most if phony Tony becomes PM is the bitterness of being losers that the conga line of nuf nufs display on a daily basis. I can't wait to see them trying to defend the women basher when he stuffs up time and time again. Though I expect the song book will read, " Gillard was worse" . Problem is the intellectually bereft will actually believe it.

That's right, Skippy. JuLiar will be good for at least 3 years - a full term. Who cares if anyone believes it?

People are free to vote for JuLiar in the upcoming election. When they don't, Mr Abbott will be able to do what he chooses. We call this a mandate.

Yes, Mr Abbott will have a mandate to DITCH THE WITCH.

Freewill, you see?

Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer? (really - dumberer?) should it not be Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest?

We are talking about politicians right? 

Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest aptly sums up both sides of politics.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 11:21am: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 11:02am: oh give it up! No, I'm holding the Liberal Party to the standards of behaviour & honesty they demand of others. Peter Slipper sent a private text to 1 other person(who then went to social media, sound familiar?) describing a women's vagina & had to resign, what's the difference? what does the liberal party have to do with this? they neither created it, endorsed it or even saw it. Blame is one thing but it does need to be actually credible.

Rubbish!!

As for 'let it go'......

How come when Gillard/Labor are attacked, it's all in, boots and all?
Ad infinitum......

But when it's Abbott/Liberals and hangers on, it becomes...."Let it go"....

:)

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Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer. With all due reverence to the classic movie Dumb and Dumber (don’t watch the sequel!) this movie could star Julia Gillard if there was to ever be the political remake of it

Oh yess, wouldnt that be a must seeeee movie, probably the political remake would be funnier than the classic  ;D ;D ;D :D

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer? (really - dumberer?) should it not be Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest? We are talking about politicians right?  Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest aptly sums up both sides of politics.

You're not questioning longstupidone now are you? Don't you know he has published a book ... if he says it's dumberer, it's dumberer ......

Besides, he saw it on a movie so it can't be wrong.

The level of professionalism in politicians today is appalling from all sides. Its a embarrassment on all levels.

This is the best Australia has to offer?

Are we at the bottom of the barrel?

How do you pick a leader from a house full of moron's?

De-registered User wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

The level of professionalism in politicians today is appalling from all sides. Its a embarrassment on all levels. Is this the best Australia has to offer? Are we at the bottom of the barrel?

Yes we are at the bottom of the barrel. There used to be some class and quality in our political leaders - but it died out more than a decade ago and has continued on a downhill slide ever since.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

oh give it up! it was a bloody menu!  a menu not even given out to anyone. and yes it was dumb stupid and offensive but hardly the stuff of scandal.

Why do you lie so much?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMnsEuyCAAAqYWw.png

Now that you know your previous information was incorrect, you can stop with the lying, correct?



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PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE.

It would indeed be nice if you got some.

John Smith wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer? (really - dumberer?) should it not be Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest? We are talking about politicians right?  Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest aptly sums up both sides of politics. You're not questioning longstupidone now are you? Don't you know he has published a book ... if he says it's dumberer, it's dumberer ...... Besides, he saw it on a movie so it can't be wrong.

it is the ACTUAL title of an ACTUAL movie u uninformed cretin. Basic comprehension often eludes you. It is no surprise that a literary device like this goes right over your empty head.

donincognito wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 11:02am: oh give it up! it was a bloody menu!  a menu not even given out to anyone. and yes it was dumb stupid and offensive but hardly the stuff of scandal. Why do you lie so much? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMnsEuyCAAAqYWw.png Now that you know your previous information was incorrect, you can stop with the lying, correct? Quote: PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE. It would indeed be nice if you got some.

and you believe this person - a nobody on a blog - as opposed to everybody else who was there.

you are a gullible idiot.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

and you believe this person - a nobody on a blog - as opposed to everybody else who was there.

It would be good if the media got onto her even half as quick as they got hold of Mr Richards.

Then we'd know wouldn't we?

That they've let it drop just fuels suspicion, well in a reasonable persons mind.



longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

you are a gullible idiot.

So you believe the word of 20 odd people who have a huge stake of self interest in this not coming to light?

six of 1
1/2 dozen the other

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 9:41pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer? (really - dumberer?) should it not be Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest? We are talking about politicians right?  Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest aptly sums up both sides of politics. You're not questioning longstupidone now are you? Don't you know he has published a book ... if he says it's dumberer, it's dumberer ...... Besides, he saw it on a movie so it can't be wrong. it is the ACTUAL title of an ACTUAL movie u uninformed cretin. Basic comprehension often eludes you. It is no surprise that a literary device like this goes right over your empty head.

It eludes me and yet you are the one who thinks dumberer is a word .... go figure?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:32pm: and you believe this person - a nobody on a blog - as opposed to everybody else who was there. It would be good if the media got onto her even half as quick as they got hold of Mr Richards. Then we'd know wouldn't we? That they've let it drop just fuels suspicion, well in a reasonable persons mind. longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:32pm: you are a gullible idiot. So you believe the word of 20 odd people who have a huge stake of self interest in this not coming to light? six of 1 1/2 dozen the other

shades of DNA...

it is an IMAGE of a SUPPOSED blog by a SUPPOSED employee of the restaurant who shows massive blatant and total bias towards labor. now tell me again why it should be granted even a moments notice?

The 20 people there have everything to lose by denying a easily proven fact if it was indeed true. There would be a number of photos of the even for one thing.

Im trying to work out what exactly is motivating you to grasp absolutely anything, no matter how ludicrous , to support an unlikely event?  At the moment, mental illness is looking good.

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:30pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 9:41pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer? (really - dumberer?) should it not be Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest? We are talking about politicians right?  Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest aptly sums up both sides of politics. You're not questioning longstupidone now are you? Don't you know he has published a book ... if he says it's dumberer, it's dumberer ...... Besides, he saw it on a movie so it can't be wrong. it is the ACTUAL title of an ACTUAL movie u uninformed cretin. Basic comprehension often eludes you. It is no surprise that a literary device like this goes right over your empty head. It eludes me and yet you are the one who thinks dumberer is a word .... go figure?

Damn you are dumb. 'Dumberer' is part of a movie title - not a word. Apparently everybody else on here was able to work that out.

The right wingers always blame the victim.

Gillard was sticking up for herself in the mysnogamy speech, after a barrage of unprecidented bullying from the right wing woman-haters.

Sticking up for yourself against bullying should be aplauded.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:32pm: and you believe this person - a nobody on a blog - as opposed to everybody else who was there. It would be good if the media got onto her even half as quick as they got hold of Mr Richards. Then we'd know wouldn't we? That they've let it drop just fuels suspicion, well in a reasonable persons mind. longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:32pm: you are a gullible idiot. So you believe the word of 20 odd people who have a huge stake of self interest in this not coming to light? six of 1 1/2 dozen the other shades of DNA... it is an IMAGE of a SUPPOSED blog by a SUPPOSED employee of the restaurant who shows massive blatant and total bias towards labor. now tell me again why it should be granted even a moments notice? The 20 people there have everything to lose by denying a easily proven fact if it was indeed true. There would be a number of photos of the even for one thing. Im trying to work out what exactly is motivating you to grasp absolutely anything, no matter how ludicrous , to support an unlikely event?  At the moment, mental illness is looking good.

I'm not "GRASPING" at anything, I'm applying what I know of past behaviour/Current attitudes & not just dismissing this allegation as you would like me too.

Like I said, give the women a call, she's supplied Christian & Surname, search ATO records at the restaurant for her name, ask the ever so obliging Mr Richards for a copy of her resignation letter.

If it's crap fine but at least make some effort, they were quite happy to conduct their own investigations in Thompson & Slipper, tracking down apparent ladies of the night from 10 years ago & giving them anonymity, carte blanch to smear the guy in prime time FFS.

No I think what your problem is that you can't pin me as a hack of one side or the other, others profess to be swinging voters but you actually believe I'm one, so I'm not easily dismissed.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

The right wingers always blame the victim. Gillard was sticking up for herself in the mysnogamy speech, after a barrage of unprecidented bullying from the right wing woman-haters. Sticking up for yourself against bullying should be aplauded.

rubbish. she was complaining about an entirely manufactured problem. there is NO sexism directed at her. For goodness sake, she made it to the VERY TOP. How in the hell can she complain about sexism when she achieves that?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 2:24pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:32pm: and you believe this person - a nobody on a blog - as opposed to everybody else who was there. It would be good if the media got onto her even half as quick as they got hold of Mr Richards. Then we'd know wouldn't we? That they've let it drop just fuels suspicion, well in a reasonable persons mind. longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:32pm: you are a gullible idiot. So you believe the word of 20 odd people who have a huge stake of self interest in this not coming to light? six of 1 1/2 dozen the other shades of DNA... it is an IMAGE of a SUPPOSED blog by a SUPPOSED employee of the restaurant who shows massive blatant and total bias towards labor. now tell me again why it should be granted even a moments notice? The 20 people there have everything to lose by denying a easily proven fact if it was indeed true. There would be a number of photos of the even for one thing. Im trying to work out what exactly is motivating you to grasp absolutely anything, no matter how ludicrous , to support an unlikely event?  At the moment, mental illness is looking good. I'm not "GRASPING" at anything, I'm applying what I know of past behaviour/Current attitudes & not just dismissing this allegation as you would like me too. Like I said, give the women a call, she's supplied Christian & Surname, search ATO records at the restaurant for her name, ask the ever so obliging Mr Richards for a copy of her resignation letter. If it's crap fine but at least make some effort, they were quite happy to conduct their own investigations in Thompson & Slipper, tracking down apparent ladies of the night from 10 years ago & giving them anonymity, carte blanch to smear the guy in prime time FFS. No I think what your problem is that you can't pin me as a hack of one side or the other, others profess to be swinging voters but you actually believe I'm one, so I'm not easily dismissed.

an IMAGE of a SUPPOSED blog on a SUPPOSED unnamed website doesn't deserve a mention - nevermind an investigation. If there were such a smoking gun, we would be inundated with media reports about it. I don't mind investigation but there is no credibility whatsoever. If it were true, wouldn't the firs place you would ring be the TV media to be paid for an interview???

Seriously dsmithy70, don't be so gullible.

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rubbish. she was complaining about an entirely manufactured problem. there is NO sexism directed at her. For goodness sake,  she made it to the VERY TOP. How in the hell can she complain about sexism when she achieves that? ?

Longweekend

I think you would already know that it doesnt matter to the labor folks or to many, they see political capital in victimology, whether in racism, gender, class, aborigines, you name it, they see politcal capital in VICTIMOLOGY everywhere.

They hoping to emulate the success the obama campaign had made with victimology in the 2012 presidential election where they were successful in branding Mitt Romney a women hater, looks down at the poor, doesnt like hispanics, etc

They are just trying to replicate that with Tony abbott

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

and you believe this person - a nobody on a blog - as opposed to everybody else who was there.

And you believe people who have a vested interest in making sure this doesnt come to light, plus they have a history of making up vicious personal attacks against the PM and then trying to hide, plus they have a history of other shady dealings, plus they have a history of lying, plus their very own story doesnt add up (unless you are a one eyed biased asshole who puts a complimentary spin on anything that the LNP does)



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you are a gullible idiot.

And you are putting your trust in people who have lied to you, will continue to lie to you, and do not give a poo about you.

What was that you were saying about perspective?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

an IMAGE of a SUPPOSED blog on a SUPPOSED unnamed website doesn't deserve a mention - nevermind an investigation. If there were such a smoking gun, we would be inundated with media reports about it. I don't mind investigation but there is no credibility whatsoever. If it were true, wouldn't the firs place you would ring be the TV media to be paid for an interview??? Seriously dsmithy70, don't be so gullible.

Yet an image of a carbon credit card slip from an age when ETF was well and truly established, with the wrong spelling of the surname, no authorization number & a rejection code written on it, supplied by a known rival is good enough for 1?



Seriously Longweekend58 don't be so Biased ;)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 3:49pm: an IMAGE of a SUPPOSED blog on a SUPPOSED unnamed website doesn't deserve a mention - nevermind an investigation. If there were such a smoking gun, we would be inundated with media reports about it. I don't mind investigation but there is no credibility whatsoever. If it were true, wouldn't the firs place you would ring be the TV media to be paid for an interview??? Seriously dsmithy70, don't be so gullible. Yet an image of a carbon credit card slip from an age when ETF was well and truly established, with the wrong spelling of the surname, no authorization number & a rejection code written on it, supplied by a known rival is good enough for 1? Seriously Longweekend58 don't be so Biased ;)

beyond weak, smithy...    how about you address the credibility of the actual topic - an image of a nobody on a nowhere blog with ZERO support.

Julia regardless of being a women is the last scrape of the bottom of Labors barrel, at least lets hope so for Australia's sake. As far as Abbott goes, the liberals are almost there.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 2:08pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:30pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 9:41pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer? (really - dumberer?) should it not be Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest? We are talking about politicians right?  Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest aptly sums up both sides of politics. You're not questioning longstupidone now are you? Don't you know he has published a book ... if he says it's dumberer, it's dumberer ...... Besides, he saw it on a movie so it can't be wrong. it is the ACTUAL title of an ACTUAL movie u uninformed cretin. Basic comprehension often eludes you. It is no surprise that a literary device like this goes right over your empty head. It eludes me and yet you are the one who thinks dumberer is a word .... go figure? Damn you are dumb. 'Dumberer' is part of a movie title - not a word. Apparently everybody else on here was able to work that out.

You think the fact that it was in a movie title somehow means you can suddenly use it in a sentence?  You used it, not me ...it is you who is yet to figure it out

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 2:41pm: The right wingers always blame the victim. Gillard was sticking up for herself in the mysnogamy speech, after a barrage of unprecidented bullying from the right wing woman-haters. Sticking up for yourself against bullying should be aplauded. rubbish. she was complaining about an entirely manufactured problem. there is NO sexism directed at her. For goodness sake, she made it to the VERY TOP. How in the hell can she complain about sexism when she achieves that?

manufactured by the libs.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 4:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 3:49pm: an IMAGE of a SUPPOSED blog on a SUPPOSED unnamed website doesn't deserve a mention - nevermind an investigation. If there were such a smoking gun, we would be inundated with media reports about it. I don't mind investigation but there is no credibility whatsoever. If it were true, wouldn't the firs place you would ring be the TV media to be paid for an interview??? Seriously dsmithy70, don't be so gullible. Yet an image of a carbon credit card slip from an age when ETF was well and truly established, with the wrong spelling of the surname, no authorization number & a rejection code written on it, supplied by a known rival is good enough for 1? Seriously Longweekend58 don't be so Biased ;) beyond weak, smithy...    how about you address the credibility of the actual topic - an image of a nobody on a nowhere blog with ZERO support.

he did ... the statement by the owner has no credibility being that he stands to profit from lying.

Next topic please.

De-registered User wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

Julia regardless of being a women is the last scrape of the bottom of Labors barrel, at least lets hope so for Australia's sake. As far as Abbott goes, the liberals are almost there.

The Greens need to get their heads out of the clouds and start being realist, maybe then we may have a 3rd major party.
These days politicians aren't here to do 100% what is best for our country, its merely a cash grab and to feather their own pockets,
When will Australians stand up and demand decent politicians!!!!!!! you ask any one why they vote, they vote for the less worse leader then the less worse party. 

Are we going to make up movie titles that fit Fed labor?

Perhaps The Violence of the Clams referring to Julia`s Women for  Gillard
Maybe the Fail Of Two Titties

Legends of the Fail

Les Miserables

Liar Liar

Its quite a list