Yes, it's 5 minutes to midnight and the clock of ruination is ticking.

First Rudd-Labor, then Gillard-Labor have almost ruined a once-great nation.

If voters are stupid enough to re-elect Rudd-Labor, then the ship will indeed sink, there will be 'no' way back, the damage will have been done...the iceberg hit, and the 'end' near.

It'll be 'goodbye first-world Australia'...'hello third-world Australia'.

ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life.

If the conga line keep this up I might even vote for Kevvy myself, it is too funny not to.

Yes indeed skippy, it is funny watching this.  Even funnier is:


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It'll be 'goodbye first-world Australia'...

Is that an admission that Australia, after the last six years is a 'first world Australia?'

:D

skippy. wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life.

It's hysterical.

I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else.

Like you say, too too funny.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny.

It was almost worth al the crap of the last 3 years just to see the reaction now. I'm betting there will be a lot of one way ticket purchases out of here if Labor wins the next election, Matty is only the first.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny.

If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)???

The carry on by the top neo cons in this county is amazing theres no policies not even one positive thing to say about their own parties....just abuse and negativity piled on so thick even the most uninterested voters can see right through them.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)???

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg

Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever.

Keep it up AP, it's sooooo funny

what else?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever.

I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever. I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer.

I doubt very much the families of those four young men would find any solace whatsoever in your words.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever. I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer. I doubt very much the families of those four young men would find any solace whatsoever in your words.

And we all know the neo cons have a great record when it comes to industrial safety  :D
More died in that industry under Howards watch so why not complain about that?

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:20pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever. I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer. I doubt very much the families of those four young men would find any solace whatsoever in your words. And we all know the neo cons have a great record when it comes to industrial safety  :D More died in that industry under Howards watch so why not complain about that?

Really? Of course, you have proof of that! Lets also not forget the numerous house fires that almost got more people killed due to dodgy insulation installers. That farce is one of the reasons why Garrett is without doubt the worst MP ever to have been given a cabinet position.

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Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time.

The GFC was a mirage, I guess.


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He took an incredibly successful border security policy* and instead laid out the welcome mat.

Said policy* being rejected outright by the Australian People in 2007 when they not only booted Hayseed out of The Lodge, they showed him the door in his own Electorate, and ushered in Labor's Maxine McKew.


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He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men.

Not his fault cheats did what they do best.


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He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA.

Dunno how you of all people could possibly be critical of anyone who has enough self belief to have an 'ego.'


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He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever.

Then you have not a care in the Australian political World.  All will be well for you.

:D

No mention of Kevin 07 saving this country from the recession which wrecked the global financial system?
Na..I thought not  ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:20pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever. I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer. I doubt very much the families of those four young men would find any solace whatsoever in your words. And we all know the neo cons have a great record when it comes to industrial safety  :D More died in that industry under Howards watch so why not complain about that? Really? Of course, you have proof of that! Lets also not forget the numerous house fires that almost got more people killed due to dodgy insulation installers. That farce is one of the reasons why Garrett is without doubt the worst MP ever to have been given a cabinet position.

This big zombie will be polluting our ears and dancing like spastic now that his political career is done. I cringe at the thought.

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Quote: Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. The GFC was a mirage, I guess. Labor is still blaming the GFC for the repeated surpluses years after the effects have passed! [quote]He took an incredibly successful border security policy* and instead laid out the welcome mat.

Said policy* being rejected outright by the Australian People in 2007 when they not only booted Hayseed out of The Lodge, they showed him the door in his own Electorate, and ushered in Labor's Maxine McKew.

He was voted out because of WorkChoices, everyone knows that.


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He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men.

Not his fault cheats did what they do best.

Yeah, lets just do away with road rules - can't control what people do on the roads.


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He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA.

Dunno how you of all people could possibly be critical of anyone who has enough self belief to have an 'ego.'

His own staff have said so numerous times, with many resigning.


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He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever.

Then you have not a care in the Australian political World.  All will be well for you.

True, just counting the days til Abbott is PM later this year.

:D

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Let's rename australia to bambuland.  More fitting for our new third world status

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

No mention of Kevin 07 saving this country from the recession which wrecked the global financial system? Na..I thought not  ;D

Swan wet his pants and spent like a drunken sailor. Rudd's answer was to just throw money at the problem and hope for the best. If not for the excellent work done by Costello as Treasurer in the Howard government, we'd have fallen into recession for sure.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:27pm: No mention of Kevin 07 saving this country from the recession which wrecked the global financial system? Na..I thought not  ;D Swan wet his pants and spent like a drunken sailor. Rudd's answer was to just throw money at the problem and hope for the best. If not for the excellent work done by Costello as Treasurer in the Howard government, we'd have fallen into recession for sure.

Nice rewriting of history.  However most knowledgeable pundits agree the result is because of the collective actions of Rudd and the previous Howard governments selling of public assets.

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Not his fault cheats did what they do best.

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Oh yes it was!
That's exactly whose fault it was.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:27pm: No mention of Kevin 07 saving this country from the recession which wrecked the global financial system? Na..I thought not  ;D Swan wet his pants and spent like a drunken sailor. Rudd's answer was to just throw money at the problem and hope for the best. If not for the excellent work done by Costello as Treasurer in the Howard government, we'd have fallen into recession for sure.

100% correct.

bambu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:34pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:27pm: No mention of Kevin 07 saving this country from the recession which wrecked the global financial system? Na..I thought not  ;D Swan wet his pants and spent like a drunken sailor. Rudd's answer was to just throw money at the problem and hope for the best. If not for the excellent work done by Costello as Treasurer in the Howard government, we'd have fallen into recession for sure. 100% correct.

Actually 25% correct.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

Let's rename australia to bambuland.  More fitting for our new third world status

bambuland would be a lot different from what Australia is today, or would be under Rudd-Labor's third-world Australia.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:34pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:27pm: No mention of Kevin 07 saving this country from the recession which wrecked the global financial system? Na..I thought not  ;D Swan wet his pants and spent like a drunken sailor. Rudd's answer was to just throw money at the problem and hope for the best. If not for the excellent work done by Costello as Treasurer in the Howard government, we'd have fallen into recession for sure. Nice rewriting of history.  However most knowledgeable pundits agree the result is because of the collective actions of Rudd and the previous Howard governments selling of public assets.

Because of Rudd and Swan wetting their panties, we now have a colossal debt to pay off. Certainly, we'd have still gone into debt with a Coalition government, but I doubt very much Costello would've run up a debt anywhere near the level of Swan. Costello is widely acknowledged here and abroad as a brilliant Treasurer, whereas Swan doesn't even have a degree to his name, let alone any real-world financial experience beyond managing his personal expenses.

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Costello is widely acknowledged here and abroad as a brilliant Treasurer, whereas Swan doesn't even have a degree to his name,

Can't recall Costello ever being formally recognised as the World's Best Treasurer as Swann truly was, and further let it be known that Costello has NIL formal economic qualifications.

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Quote: Costello is widely acknowledged here and abroad as a brilliant Treasurer, whereas Swan doesn't even have a degree to his name, Can't recall Costello ever being formally recognised as the World's Best Treasurer as Swann truly was, and further let it be known that Costello has NIL formal economic qualifications.

Really? He has a double arts/law degree, which includes studies in economics. Costello also has a much more enviable record as Treasurer - surplus after surplus with a pretty big debt paid off. Swan has nothing except debt approaching $300bn and not a single surplus in his time as Treasurer.

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Quote: Costello is widely acknowledged here and abroad as a brilliant Treasurer, whereas Swan doesn't even have a degree to his name, Can't recall Costello ever being formally recognised as the World's Best Treasurer as Swann truly was, and further let it be known that Costello has NIL formal economic qualifications.

Depends a lot on who's doing the 'recognising', eh?

Swan, 'World's Best Treasurer'...greatest joke I've even heard.
Presided over the largest budget deficits in the nation's history. 

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He has a double arts/law degree,

So do I and I'd hardly call myself qualified as an economist, far from it in fact.  Arts/Law degrees are like arseholes.

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Quote: He has a double arts/law degree, So do I and I'd hardly call myself qualified as an economist, far from it in fact.  Arts/Law degrees are like arseholes.

I done two of the courses involved in obtaining that degree and invite you to try. I bet you don't even know the difference between microeconomics and macroeconomics without searching Google...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:20pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever. I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer. I doubt very much the families of those four young men would find any solace whatsoever in your words. And we all know the neo cons have a great record when it comes to industrial safety  :D More died in that industry under Howards watch so why not complain about that? Really? Of course, you have proof of that! Lets also not forget the numerous house fires that almost got more people killed due to dodgy insulation installers. That farce is one of the reasons why Garrett is without doubt the worst MP ever to have been given a cabinet position.

What you’re forgetting is that the home insulation scheme was one of Rudd’s babies. Garrett emailed Rudd’s office numerous times to warn him of the problems, and he was ignored. He couldn’t get a meeting. Garrett decided to keep his mouth shut and keep "cabinet solidarity".

And this is, no doubt, one reason Garrett has resigned. Rudd hasn’t changed. Like you, I can’t believe the popular support of a man who sabotaged his own government for three years. And that was when he was on the backbench.

Rudd was, by all accounts, the worst PM.we’ve ever had. He was overwealmingly voted out for his complete inertia, chaos and undermining ways. Labor put Gillard in, and things got done again. In government, she made things happen. She was bright, good natured, likeable and effective.

The fact that Rudd’s popularity surpasses Gillard’s is proof that democracy does not work. We do not get the leaders we deserve. 45 Labor MPs voted for Gillard for this very reason, and they knew that with her, they were sure to lose. Even those who backed Rudd - like Shorten - did so with very heavy hearts. They knew they were replacing a competant, trustworthy leader with a dud.

I don’t understand it either, but one thing is certain: we rarely hear the truth about these things, and we go for dumb, kneejerk impulses every time. The mindless hatred for JuLiar is one thing I’ve never understood, but look what it’s given us.

Rudd.

In moments of despair, I even wonder whether Abbott could be any worse.

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Quote: Costello is widely acknowledged here and abroad as a brilliant Treasurer, whereas Swan doesn't even have a degree to his name, Can't recall Costello ever being formally recognised as the World's Best Treasurer as Swann truly was, and further let it be known that Costello has NIL formal economic qualifications.

You know as well as I do that it's pointless with armchair or Bambi.  They are our tea party.  They refuse to believe reality and instead have developed their own "facts". 

Oops..I just peed myself..there were no housefires under a Howard govt  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Oops..I just peed myself..there were no housefires under a Howard govt  ;D

True, at least none caused by mismanagement of a government stimulus program.

Karnal wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:24pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:20pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever. I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer. I doubt very much the families of those four young men would find any solace whatsoever in your words. And we all know the neo cons have a great record when it comes to industrial safety  :D More died in that industry under Howards watch so why not complain about that? Really? Of course, you have proof of that! Lets also not forget the numerous house fires that almost got more people killed due to dodgy insulation installers. That farce is one of the reasons why Garrett is without doubt the worst MP ever to have been given a cabinet position. What you’re forgetting is that the home insulation scheme was one of Rudd’s babies. Garrett emailed Rudd’s office numerous times to warn him of the problems, and he was ignored. He couldn’t get a meeting. Garrett decided to keep his mouth shut and keep "cabinet solidarity". And this is, no doubt, one reason Garrett has resigned. Rudd hasn’t changed. Like you, I can’t believe the popular support of a man who sabotaged his own government for three years. And that was when he was on the backbench. Rudd was, by all accounts, the worst PM.we’ve ever had. He was overwealmingly voted out for his complete inertia, chaos and undermining ways. Labor put Gillard in, and things got done again. In government, she made things happen. She was bright, good natured, likeable and effective. The fact that Rudd’s popularity surpasses Gillard’s is proof that democracy does not work. We do not get the leaders we deserve. 45 Labor MPs voted for Gillard for this very reason, and they knew that with her, they were sure to lose. Even those who backed Rudd - like Shorten - did so with very heavy hearts. They knew they were replacing a competant, trustworthy leader with a dud. I don’t understand it either, but one thing is certain: we rarely hear the truth about these things, and we go for dumb, kneejerk impulses every time. The mindless hatred for JuLiar is one thing I’ve never understood, but look what it’s given us. Rudd. In moments of despair, I even wonder whether Abbott could be any worse.

Yes and no.  Gillard got things through.  But she couldn't sell.  And she had morons like Conroy off the leash.  Plus she was the one who legitimised  xenophobia.  A good politician is an leader.  A person who can have a vision and have the electorate back that vision.  Gillard has a vision, but she could never sell it.  Tony of course has neither, just an ability to formulate slogans and jingles.

What makes me laugh tho is Rudd is like tony; no vision and no real selling abiligy.  And yet they claim he is a better speaker then gillard?  ...  anyway, now that they are trying to sell that refugees are economic migrants I'm once again sleeping in on election day. What's wrong with our democracy is that populism has taken over realism and rational thought.

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I done two of the courses involved in obtaining that degree and invite you to try.

You did, 'done' you?  I'm not surprised you reached the top of your personal Everest at 'two of the courses.'

;)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 5:04pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:24pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:20pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever. I dont think Mr Kevin Rudd so looking for your vote..but I should tell you that deaths and injuries in the home insulation industry actually went down during the stimulus package which is pretty good when you consider how frantic it got with every man and his dog taking advantage of the offer. I doubt very much the families of those four young men would find any solace whatsoever in your words. And we all know the neo cons have a great record when it comes to industrial safety  :D More died in that industry under Howards watch so why not complain about that? Really? Of course, you have proof of that! Lets also not forget the numerous house fires that almost got more people killed due to dodgy insulation installers. That farce is one of the reasons why Garrett is without doubt the worst MP ever to have been given a cabinet position. And this is, no doubt, one reason Garrett has resigned. Rudd hasn’t changed. Like you, I can’t believe the popular support of a man who sabotaged his own government for three years. And that was when he was on the backbench. In moments of despair, I even wonder whether Abbott could be any worse. Yes and no.  Gillard got things through.  But she couldn't sell.  And she had morons like Conroy off the leash.  Plus she was the one who legitimised  xenophobia.  A good politician is an leader.  A person who can have a vision and have the electorate back that vision.  Gillard has a vision, but she could never sell it.  Tony of course has neither, just an ability to formulate slogans and jingles. What makes me laugh tho is Rudd is like tony; no vision and no real selling abiligy.  And yet they claim he is a better speaker then gillard?  ...  anyway, now that they are trying to sell that refugees are economic migrants I'm once again sleeping in on election day. What's wrong with our democracy is that populism has taken over realism and rational thought.

Ever see her on Q & A or People’s Parliament? She could sell. More importantly, she could communicate. She could write too. Gillard wrote newspaper columns on the carbon tax and the move to a low carbon economy. With education reform and the Asian Century white paper, Gillard had a narrative.

This is something Rudd never had - just a mishmash of complicated, unfinished policies. The paradox of the Gillard government is that those who sold its policies best were the independants, Oakshot and Windsor.

The reason Gillard didn’t sell is that, for reasons totally outside her control, no one was buying. The axing of Rudd and the carbon tax did it. If Gillard had taken the reigns under different circumstances, she may have been measured by what she actually said and did.

Gender wars? Class wars? This was Abbott and Creen’s interpretation of what amounted to nothing in policy terms. They were hardly the carefully calculated wedge politics of Howard’s "history wars" or boat policies.

Gillard even treated her worst critics with aplomb. See the way she handled Sattler’s question about her husband? She laughed it off as absurd.

That, I think, is what I like best about Gillard. She’s no princess. She has a black sense of humour and can laugh at herself.

Rudd, on the other hand...

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no one was buying.

....is it in a nutshell, Mr Karnal.  She was terrible at selling what was an excellent record and achievement on so many levels.  To be successful as PM, you MUST be able to make a silk purse out of the sow's ear, and that is a fundamental quality Julia just did not have, and I reckon no amount of PR tuition would help her.  She is not a salesman's bootlace.  Rudd was the reverse, and let's hope he has been able to adapt like Julia was not able to adapt. 

Fear not Bambu...The Halo effect on Rudd will diminish to probably nothing in the next four weeks.

By that time good old micro managing and totally f....g up Kevin will be back in full stride.

Read into that that his total uselessness and policy on the run will come to the fore and people will suddenly realise why the Labor Party sh.t canned him first time around.


You see, some people look good, sound good until they get the baton of power, Kevin Rudd is one of these people. Then  when they have the power, people soon realise they are as useless as tits on a tennis ball, read Kevin Rudd.

He will be found out and found wanting, back it in!

Could Howard sell? Maybe it’s just me, but I found his interviews evasive and dull.

Apparently Gillard does dazzling sales jobs on those she meets in person. This is the contrast everyone who’s met her talks about - the difference in perception between the public and private Gillard.

Karnal wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

Could Howard sell? Maybe it’s just me, but I found his interviews evasive and dull. Apparently Gillard does dazzling sales jobs on those she meets in person. This is the contrast everyone who’s met her talks about - the difference in perception between the public and private Gillard.

Hayseed cultivated his 'battlers' somehow, and they drooled at his every offering.  Yeas, clearly Julia was an extremely successful private communicator (I give you Oakshot and Windsor) but 'perception' in the public domain is God.  Shame she left politics, but she really had little choice if the ALP was ever going to move on from the 2010 'Ides of March.'  Credit to her for recognising that as well.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm: ROTFLMOA  ;D ;D ;D :D ;D the conga line are petrified. Too too funny. I have never seen such a shi t in the pants reaction in my entire life. It's hysterical. I knew they'd be scared, but this is something else. Like you say, too too funny. If anything, I'm bewildered. Why go back to Rudd? he was a miserable failure of a PM, an egotistical maniac and control freak who saw more staff leave his office than ever before. He failed once and will fail again. My question then is, who will Labor turn to once Abbott becomes PM in September (assuming that is still the election date)??? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wPtwjesbDbM/Tb8hjdpcrVI/AAAAAAAAALc/li1AgtrH9Ts/s1600/129174456211834256.jpg Lets look at Rudd's time as PM. He took a $22bn surplus and turned it into a debt in no time. He took an incredibly successful border security policy and instead laid out the welcome mat. He oversaw billions of dollars being wasted in ineffective and improperly administered stimulus policies that ultimately resulted in the deaths of four young men. He was a control freak with an ego the size of WA. He says he's changed his ways, yet from day one of Gillard's time as PM he has been working to undermine her. He hasn't changed and is as incompetent as ever.

yes, rudd went from most popular pm to being dumped due to his fatal failings in record time.

A colossal failure of the alp.

"Kevin Rudd overtakes Tony Abbott as voters' choice for PM"

"According to an exclusive Galaxy poll, Mr Rudd is considered the better choice for prime minister by 51 per cent of voters compared with Tony Abbott's 34 per cent."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/special-features/kevin-rudd-overtakes-tony-abbott-as-voters-choice-for-prime-minister/story-fnho52jp-1226671943567


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bambu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Yes, it's 5 minutes to midnight and the clock of ruination is ticking. First Rudd-Labor, then Gillard-Labor have almost ruined a once-great nation. If voters are stupid enough to re-elect Rudd-Labor, then the ship will indeed sink, there will be 'no' way back, the damage will have been done...the iceberg hit, and the 'end' near. It'll be 'goodbye first-world Australia'...'hello third-world Australia'.

The Libbos are worried now - desperate.


Abbott is on the ropes.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

If Rudd-Labor is re-elected Australia is finished

And they will vote for Abbott with a straight farce face.

Brother am I enjoying Rudd - Return of the King, this is hilarious; Skippy is virtually wetting himself with joy. Go on have a good time Labor lefties, this brief glorious interlude before things get serious.

I love the optimism in the air, the hope that something rotten has suddenly had a makeover and is now the next big thing.

But like all gas filled balloons that are set free, they go high enough, then they explode.

That is what is going to happen to this scenario it is nothing but a balloon full of hot air...and baby that bubble will burst. ;D

51/49 either way!

red baron wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

Brother am I enjoying Rudd - Return of the King, this is hilarious; Skippy is virtually wetting himself with joy. Go on have a good time Labor lefties, this brief glorious interlude before things get serious. I love the optimism in the air, the hope that something rotten has suddenly had a makeover and is now the next big thing. But like all gas filled balloons that are set free, they go high enough, then they explode. That is what is going to happen to this scenario it is nothing but a balloon full of hot air...and baby that bubble will burst. ;D

Then why do all the Libbos sound so worried?

what happens if half of Sri Lanka rock up, what if we get 1 million Iranians all seeking asylum, what do we do??

Looking at Rudds policy we let them in give them a house give them the dole.

We're screwed

woof woof wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:30pm:

what happens if half of Sri Lanka rock up, what if we get 1 million Iranians all seeking asylum, what do we do?? Looking at Rudds policy we let them in give them a house give them the dole. We're screwed

You’re right, Woof Woof, one million Iranians is definately a concern. Half the population of Sri Lanka would be, what, another 10 million? Where will we fit 11 million people?

I do hope the PM’s office is doing the sums. They’ll need to build at least another 300,000 detention centres to house that lot.

What will we do?

red baron wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

Brother am I enjoying Rudd - Return of the King, this is hilarious; Skippy is virtually wetting himself with joy. Go on have a good time Labor lefties, this brief glorious interlude before things get serious. I love the optimism in the air, the hope that something rotten has suddenly had a makeover and is now the next big thing. But like all gas filled balloons that are set free, they go high enough, then they explode. That is what is going to happen to this scenario it is nothing but a balloon full of hot air...and baby that bubble will burst. ;D

You know something?

You’re right.

Karnal wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:15pm:

woof woof wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 8:30pm: what happens if half of Sri Lanka rock up, what if we get 1 million Iranians all seeking asylum, what do we do?? Looking at Rudds policy we let them in give them a house give them the dole. We're screwed You’re right, Woof Woof, one million Iranians is definately a concern. Half the population of Sri Lanka would be, what, another 10 million? Where will we fit 11 million people? I do hope the PM’s office is doing the sums. They’ll need to build at least another 300,000 detention centres to house that lot. What will we do?

....with all those boats littering the beaches!

Karnal wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:15pm:

woof woof wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 8:30pm: what happens if half of Sri Lanka rock up, what if we get 1 million Iranians all seeking asylum, what do we do?? Looking at Rudds policy we let them in give them a house give them the dole. We're screwed You’re right, Woof Woof, one million Iranians is definately a concern. Half the population of Sri Lanka would be, what, another 10 million? Where will we fit 11 million people? I do hope the PM’s office is doing the sums. They’ll need to build at least another 300,000 detention centres to house that lot. What will we do?

Worry not, there is a 20k limit on asylum seekers.  Or something... ;D ;D ;D

Or so some idiot tried to declare. 

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 9:15pm: woof woof wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 8:30pm: what happens if half of Sri Lanka rock up, what if we get 1 million Iranians all seeking asylum, what do we do?? Looking at Rudds policy we let them in give them a house give them the dole. We're screwed You’re right, Woof Woof, one million Iranians is definately a concern. Half the population of Sri Lanka would be, what, another 10 million? Where will we fit 11 million people? I do hope the PM’s office is doing the sums. They’ll need to build at least another 300,000 detention centres to house that lot. What will we do? Worry not, there is a 20k limit on asylum seekers.  Or something... ;D ;D ;D Or so some idiot tried to declare.

That’s a relief. Woof Woof had me worried there for a minute - I was almost going to vote for Mr Abbott, because he’ll stop the boats.

I think I’ll vote Green instead. They have very good animal welfare policies.

woof woof wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:30pm:

what happens if half of Sri Lanka rock up, what if we get 1 million Iranians all seeking asylum, what do we do?? Looking at Rudds policy we let them in give them a house give them the dole. We're screwed

Rudd is going to see Bang Bang next week in Indonesia.

Rudd will stop the boats.

Good heavens, Bobbie, did you just say Rudd will stop the boats?

Only Mr Abbott will stop the boats.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Certainly, we'd have still gone into debt with a Coalition government, but I doubt very much Costello would've run up a debt anywhere near the level of Swan. Costello is widely acknowledged here and abroad as a brilliant Treasurer, whereas Swan doesn't even have a degree to his name, let alone any real-world financial experience beyond managing his personal expenses.

Costello would not have tried the radical new policies pursued by the Labor government during the last six years. He would have played it safe. He was risk-adverse.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

Really? He has a double arts/law degree, which includes studies in economics. Costello also has a much more enviable record as Treasurer - surplus after surplus with a pretty big debt paid off. Swan has nothing except debt approaching $300bn and not a single surplus in his time as Treasurer.

Swan had the task of overseeing spending for radical changes to this country. The Howard Government didn't do anything nearly as ambitious. If Costello was overseeing the same policies, do you think he'd have done a better job? I think he would have done the same thing.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Rudd is going to see Bang Bang next week in Indonesia. Rudd will stop the boats.

There will be a terrorist attack.

Bang Bang will blow up (hence his name). Rudd will die and all the boats will sink to the bottom of the ocean. No more boat people. Problem solved. 8-)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:34pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:27pm: No mention of Kevin 07 saving this country from the recession which wrecked the global financial system? Na..I thought not  ;D Swan wet his pants and spent like a drunken sailor. Rudd's answer was to just throw money at the problem and hope for the best. If not for the excellent work done by Costello as Treasurer in the Howard government, we'd have fallen into recession for sure. Nice rewriting of history.  However most knowledgeable pundits agree the result is because of the collective actions of Rudd and the previous Howard governments selling of public assets.

If the assetts werent sold the government would have an income to draw on

SOB

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Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 4:51pm: Quote: Costello is widely acknowledged here and abroad as a brilliant Treasurer, whereas Swan doesn't even have a degree to his name, Can't recall Costello ever being formally recognised as the World's Best Treasurer as Swann truly was, and further let it be known that Costello has NIL formal economic qualifications. Really? He has a double arts/law degree, which includes studies in economics. Costello also has a much more enviable record as Treasurer - surplus after surplus with a pretty big debt paid off. Swan has nothing except debt approaching $300bn and not a single surplus in his time as Treasurer.

So? We dont have to have a surplus. Do you EVER use your credit card? If not then why do you bother having it?

SOB

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Karnal wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:15pm:

woof woof wrote on Jun 30th, 2013 at 8:30pm: what happens if half of Sri Lanka rock up, what if we get 1 million Iranians all seeking asylum, what do we do?? Looking at Rudds policy we let them in give them a house give them the dole. We're screwed You’re right, Woof Woof, one million Iranians is definately a concern. Half the population of Sri Lanka would be, what, another 10 million? Where will we fit 11 million people? I do hope the PM’s office is doing the sums. They’ll need to build at least another 300,000 detention centres to house that lot. What will we do?

Heh funny thing is they would do it before they would build any more public housing

SOB

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If Rudd-Labor wins the election it'll be time to buy a violin.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLcZ5Rk3Lg