And only by 1 vote too !!  That could translate into a lot of votes for Rudd now !! Bad move sticking to the old party politics !! Even worse was getting old Magoo out of the closet to try and help out abort out with an outdated introductory speech :D LOL

I bet you the libbos are pissed off now that mad monk abort is ruling the roost :D LOL

Thems the breaks ;)

Don't speak too soon Nail.

Turnbull is still the Libbos trump card if the polls really dive for Tony.

The question the righards need to answer is, what poll result would see a challange to Abbott.

If the next poll result had 2 part prefered at 51-49 to labor, would that be enough ?

52-48 ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 1:50pm:

The question the righards need to answer is, what poll result would see a challange to Abbott. If the next poll result had 2 part prefered at 51-49 to labor, would that be enough ? 52-48 ?

53 - 47  against Tony.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 1:50pm:

The question the righards need to answer is, what poll result would see a challange to Abbott. If the next poll result had 2 part prefered at 51-49 to labor, would that be enough ? 52-48 ?

they'd have to eat their own vomit if they did this ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 1:47pm:

And only by 1 vote too !!

If Abbott hadn't voted for himself, he wouldn't be liberal leader .... shows just what a selfish pr1ck he is.

Looks like it will be Rudd versus Turnbull.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Looks like it will be Rudd versus Turnbull.

But that would mean armpit, longliar, cods,maqqa, prog, matty et al would have no one to vote for. They are all very honourable people, they would never vote for Turnbull. Looks like Rudd might have some extra votes. :-?

skippy. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 2:37pm: Looks like it will be Rudd versus Turnbull. But that would mean armpit, longliar, cods,maqqa, prog, matty et al would have no one to vote for. They are all very honourable people, they would never vote for Turnbull. Looks like Rudd might have some extra votes. :-?

How funny,
there are no morals in politics - it's all about winning at any cost.

All those Libbos would vote for Turnbull.

The only reason Turnbull isn't there is that Howard has
encouraged the right wing side of the Libbos - the worst of the worst neocons.

Turnbull is a lefty that's why you lefties want him so much, but what you fail to realise that under Turnbull their was no opposition. Democracy is about choice and under Turnbull their was no choice. Its was Labor policy under Rudd or Labor Policy under Turnbull, that is why Abbott unseated Turnbull is because Abbott gave us choice.

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:35pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 1:47pm: And only by 1 vote too !!  If Abbott hadn't voted for himself, he wouldn't be liberal leader .... shows just what a selfish pr1ck he is.

LOL....
Seriously!!!!!

:D :D :D

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 3:23pm:

Turnbull is a lefty that's why you lefties want him so much, but what you fail to realise that under Turnbull their was no opposition. Democracy is about choice and under Turnbull their was no choice. Its was Labor policy under Rudd or Labor Policy under Turnbull, that is why Abbott unseated Turnbull is because Abbott gave us choice.

Whats Lefy/Labor policy?

Can you explain what you mean?

skippy. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 2:37pm: Looks like it will be Rudd versus Turnbull. But that would mean armpit, longliar, cods,maqqa, prog, matty et al would have no one to vote for. They are all very honourable people, they would never vote for Turnbull. Looks like Rudd might have some extra votes. :-?

You’d vote for Turnbull though hey Skip?

I remember you saying you’d join the conga line of suck holes if Turnbull was leader of the coalition.

Bobby got it right.

The only reason Turnbull is not there is because Howard is still running the Liberal Party. Howard ran the show at the recent Abbott convention, he got more applause than Abbott. Turnbull is no where near right enough for Howard and Co.

I bet if you asked Barry Obama he would confirm that Howard is on the phone to Abbott every day.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Bobby got it right. The only reason Turnbull is not there is because Howard is still running the Liberal Party. Howard ran the show at the recent Abbott convention, he got more applause than Abbott. Turnbull is no where near right enough for Howard and Co. I bet if you asked Barry Obama he would confirm that Howard is on the phone to Abbott every day.

How true,
a vote for Abbott is a vote for Howard.
I think Tony has to ask Howard what to do -
he's too stupid to have his own ideas.

Abbott is a great attack dog in parliament but he's no PM.

Everyone is getting too worked up, relax....Tony Abbott  will lead the Liberals to victory in the next Federal Election.

Before the Election the snake oil salesman, currently wearing a 'halo' as part of his swag will be found out for the fraudster he is.

He is a false prophet and the only thing he can bring to this Country is disaster on a grand scale .

He has already achieved this, with a border policy which is a dog's breakfast and now we have 45,000 illegals to provide for  the rest of their natural lives. They only have one skill, that involves putting their hands out to Centrelink...ahhh the land of  milk and honey.

It's interesting to see how stupid the author of this thread really is

Have you seen Turnbull's numbers before Abbott took over??

So despite those low numbers - you are still wanting Turnbull to lead

This can only mean you are truly afraid of Abbott despite Rudd's poll bounce

red baron wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Everyone is getting too worked up, relax....Tony Abbott  will lead the Liberals to victory in the next Federal Election.

And when/how will he stop the boats red?

Don't run away again.

Answer the question.

What IS the difference between Turnbull and Rudd, policy-wise?
We should be told.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:06pm:

It's interesting to see how stupid the author of this thread really is Have you seen Turnbull's numbers before Abbott took over?? So despite those low numbers - you are still wanting Turnbull to lead This can only mean you are truly afraid of Abbott despite Rudd's poll bounce

Come on Maqqa,
Turnbull is just too left wing for you -
he's a man with principles.
I think I could even vote for him & that's  saying a lot.  :o

Bobby. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 7:06pm: It's interesting to see how stupid the author of this thread really is Have you seen Turnbull's numbers before Abbott took over?? So despite those low numbers - you are still wanting Turnbull to lead This can only mean you are truly afraid of Abbott despite Rudd's poll bounce Come on Maqqa, Turnbull is just too left wing for you - he's a man with principles. I think I could even vote for him & that's  saying a lot.  :o

WTF are you talking about bobby - I am a huge fan of Turnbull and thought he should have been elected ahead of Nelson

The reality is his numbers were terrible.

He was smashed by Rudd in the polls by Utegate

Now Rudd's back - leftards are calling for Turnbull to return

So the sentiment is from leftards for Rudd's return is for fear of Abbott. There are no previous leadership polls that says Turnbull will give the Coalition a win

Remember that Rudd's numbers dropped when Abbott came in

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Now Rudd's back - leftards those on the left are calling for Turnbull to return

Crap!

I want Abbott to stay exactly where he is.

The ALP have a decent chance of winning the next election with that cretin leading the Liberal Party.

With Malcolm leading them Kev would really have his work cut out for him.

Leave the mad monk where he is: I want to watch Ruddy wear him down.

(I'd support Malcolm as leader if Julia were leading the ALP, but not with Ruddy there.)

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:06pm:

It's interesting to see how stupid the author of this thread really is Have you seen Turnbull's numbers before Abbott took over??

14%  :(

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/RuddVTurnbull-1.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:24pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 7:18pm: Now Rudd's back - leftards those on the left are calling for Turnbull to return Crap! I want Abbott to stay exactly where he is. The ALP have a decent chance of winning the next election with that cretin leading the Liberal Party. With Malcolm leading them Kev would really have his work cut out for him. Leave the mad monk where he is: I want to watch Ruddy wear him down. (I'd support Malcolm as leader if Julia were leading the ALP, but not with Ruddy there.)

Based on what leadership numbers for Turnbull?

So there are no leftards on here who is able to compare Turnbull's and Abbott's numbers while they were/are in their respective leadership period??

Every couple of months you get a leftard crazy enough to raise the Turnbull issue - even when Gillard was sitting on 29%

Until such time that Abbott's person numbers dips below 14% - leftards have no case for pushing the Turnbull candidacy other than the fact you are afraid of Rudd facing Abbott at the next election

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 8:52pm:

So there are no leftards on here who is able to compare Turnbull's and Abbott's numbers while they were/are in their respective leadership period?? Every couple of months you get a leftard crazy enough to raise the Turnbull issue - even when Gillard was sitting on 29% Until such time that Abbott's person numbers dips below 14% - leftards have no case for pushing the Turnbull candidacy other than the fact you are afraid of Rudd facing Abbott at the next election

Please keep Abbott, please!  Abbott hasn't even got the gonads to face Rudd in a debate next Wednesday at the Press Club!  Turnbull would have leapt at the chance to wipe the floor with Rudd.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Please keep Abbott, please!  Abbott hasn't even got the gonads to face Rudd in a debate next Wednesday at the Press Club

.......darn thur Bre Rudd don't  go throwin that Bre Abbott in that thur debate patch.....

"I was bred and born in the debate patch, Brer Rudd," he called. "Born and bred in the debate patch."

And Brer Abbott skipped away as merry as a cricket while Brer Rudd ground his teeth in rage and went home......


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 7:13pm: Maqqa wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 7:06pm: It's interesting to see how stupid the author of this thread really is Have you seen Turnbull's numbers before Abbott took over?? So despite those low numbers - you are still wanting Turnbull to lead This can only mean you are truly afraid of Abbott despite Rudd's poll bounce Come on Maqqa, Turnbull is just too left wing for you - he's a man with principles. I think I could even vote for him & that's  saying a lot.  :o WTF are you talking about bobby - I am a huge fan of Turnbull and thought he should have been elected ahead of Nelson The reality is his numbers were terrible. He was smashed by Rudd in the polls by Utegate Now Rudd's back - leftards are calling for Turnbull to return So the sentiment is from leftards for Rudd's return is for fear of Abbott. There are no previous leadership polls that says Turnbull will give the Coalition a win Remember that Rudd's numbers dropped when Abbott came in

Rubbish - Turnbull is your trump card if the polls worsen for Abbott.

Stop lying Maqqa.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 8:52pm:

So there are no leftards on here who is able to compare Turnbull's and Abbott's numbers while they were/are in their respective leadership period?? Every couple of months you get a leftard crazy enough to raise the Turnbull issue - even when Gillard was sitting on 29% Until such time that Abbott's person numbers dips below 14% - leftards have no case for pushing the Turnbull candidacy other than the fact you are afraid of Rudd facing Abbott at the next election

Keep Abbott exactly where he is!

He is the ALP's (second) best chance of winning the next election.

We do NOT want Turnbull as leader.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:07pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 8:52pm: So there are no leftards on here who is able to compare Turnbull's and Abbott's numbers while they were/are in their respective leadership period?? Every couple of months you get a leftard crazy enough to raise the Turnbull issue - even when Gillard was sitting on 29% Until such time that Abbott's person numbers dips below 14% - leftards have no case for pushing the Turnbull candidacy other than the fact you are afraid of Rudd facing Abbott at the next election Keep Abbott exactly where he is! He is the ALP's (second) best chance of winning the next election. We do NOT want Turnbull as leader.

In another Thread, melielongtime was desconstructing the demise of Gillard as some preconceived grand plan to offer up Rudd just in time to save the ALP.  He said the 'clever' people could see it all in retrospect.  In reply, I suggested that 'clever people' would have predicted it.  So......

I'm not claiming to be 'clever' but I do wonder now whether Abbott has been (very successfully) running as a decoy/shepherd (seriously wounding those in the other Team) so that Turnbull can emerge fresh faced, not a hand upon him and full of charm with the ball, not far out from the line, to score the try?

Turnbull could beat Gillard, but I doubt whether he could beat Rudd.

Abbott expended so much political capital demonising Gillard, that he may not have enough credibility to defeat Rudd.


All lefties want is Abbott not to be PM.   Rudd v Abbott is a good chance as Rudd could beat him fair and square.
Abbott then would be banished as leader forever for losing two winable elections.

But a Rudd v Turnbull contests guarantee's Abbott wont make PM this term, but likely to be reinstated opposition leader if Turnbull lost, or dropped in the polls.