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Title: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:46am
1. He racked up a phone bill of almost $30,000 in just six months, far more than any other Government minister. How does a back bencher with no portfolio manage to run up a $29,676 phone bill in just six months??? Rudd's phone bill was ten times that of Gillard. Apparently, much of Rudd's phone bill consists of international calls.
2. Kate Lundy was not informed by Rudd that she had lost the Sport portfolio. She found out through Albanese and a media release from Rudd's office. I thought Rudd said he'd be more consultative this time around? |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:52am The Libs sure are worried about Kev leading the ALP to victory in the next election. Thread after thread of pure fear. The next few months are going to be very interesting. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:58am
Rudd is winning.
Tony has no policies - he just an opposition attack dog not a PM. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by skippy. on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:58am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:52am:
Not worried, petrified. Armpit and co a pooing their pants, how else do you explain every thread he and maqqa post being about Kevvy? Funny thing is, no one is listening to the conga line propa Ganda now. Its as though the voters have gone from not listening to Gillard to not listening to Abbott, too too funny. ;D ;D :D ;D |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:01am skippy. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:58am:
It's both funny and delightful. That look of fear on Tony's face. Lovin' it ;D |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:01am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:52am:
I'm not fearful of Rudd being back in the job. If anything, the word would be bewildered. He is the architect of many of Labor's current policy failures that have been dragging them down in the polls. Won't take long for the electorate to remember that. I'm sure that Abbott and the Coalition won't let anyone forget! ;) |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by aquascoot on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:01am
armchair, i dont know if rudd needs to change.
now i think he's a little weasel but my 2 daughters love the guy. and are almost wanting to hand out "how to vote' cards for him. he's an interesting phenomenom. i cant quite put my finger on it but the rudd 'phenomenom' is going to make this election very close. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:02am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:01am:
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Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by RightSadFred on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:05am
Armchair_Politician
I think everyone knows what Rudd is and what Gillard was, seems the electorate is quite happy seeing Rudd do his camouflage make the ALP look more right wing than it is strategy, I have never bought his rubbish neither do I buy he has changed or can change. How many people over 50 can change their ways ? What makes a complicit character like Rudd more capable of change ? Also in 3 years ? If the electorate wants a grub like Rudd then again the ALP has to fail before the electorate wakes up. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:05am
If I were fearful of Rudd being back in the job, I'd say so. I will say I'm disappointed he's clawed back so much ground in the polls, as I was looking forward to Abbott having a good chance of controlling both Houses. That said, any win by any margin by Abbott that results in him leading a majority government is good enough for me! :)
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Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:07am What Rudds ministers say about Rudd :- “The stories that were around of the chaos, of the temperament, of the inability to have decisions made – they are not stories”. (Tony Burke, 22 February 2012) Rudd’s new Youth Minister, Kate Ellis, said of him: “Kevin Rudd is the person who has been talking down the Prime Minister (Gillard) in deeply personal ways for well over a year, during the last election campaign and since then”. (Kate Ellis, 24 February 2012) Defence Minister Stephen Smith said: “If you wanted one sentence why the Cabinet and the Caucus and the party moved away from Kevin, it was because it became increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to work difficult issues through with him”. (Stephen Smith, 23 February 2012) And most extraordinarily, the person who Rudd asked to preside over our nation’s critical mining industry, Resources Minister Gary Gray, had this to say only ten days ago: “He (Rudd) doesn't have the courage and the strength that's required to do this job. What he can do is spread confusion. What he can do is get himself into the media. What he can do is create a lot of torment. What he can't do is govern and what he can't do is lead the Labor Party”. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:13am
Remember that fool Rob Dumbshott saying that his decision to go with Labor was based on his belief that Labor would provide a more stable government for the country? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Oh, how he must be wishing he could un-say that! Short of a coup taking place, this has been the most unstable government since Whitlam got sacked by the GG. Who's been at the very centre, the heart, of it all all this time? That's right - Rudd. He may be called Prime Minister, but he'll never be called a statesman.
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Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by aquascoot on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:39am
I hear all that but i still think that tony should be very concerned.
my daughters are level headed. geez my cousin is a liberal candidate and my girls helped hand out how to votes for her, but they LOVE kevvie. i could evict them i suppose but i prefer to study this phenomenom. and their friends love him too , and this from kids who DESPISED gillard. he has some rockstar quality. he has a cockiness and a confidence which is well suited to the sound bite. the electorate wont get all that cloak and dagger stuff. they just see a bloke with charisma and lets face it tony has zippo. we are going to have to use the reasoning of lao tzu and sun tzu to beat kevvie. ultimately, the only way to beat kevvie is to let kevvie beat himself. is there time for him to trip up. he is mad if he doesnt call the election soon. if he does win, my prediction is his government would be SO CHAOTIC labor would be out for 20 years. might be a good one for tony to throw? |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:46am aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:39am:
Agreed with you up until the highlighted section. No need to go to an early election. The longer he holds out the more he can wear down Tony. Abbott won't be able to handle a long campaign. He'll crack (again). Rudd's best chance is to string him out until November 30. Make him sweat. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:46am aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:39am:
It's simple: Kevin is into populist politics. He tells people what he thinks they want to hear. His failed border security policy is a fine example of how badly things can go wrong when you utilise populist politics. More than 40,000 people on over 700 boats since scrapping the Pacific Solution and more than 1,000 people have died at sea. That's populist politics. Just because it makes people happy, doesn't make it right. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Generation X on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:52am aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:01am:
I agree. These days selling any product needs a great face up front. Rudd is one of the greatest political campaigners Aus has ever seen, he is "The Showman". I cant help watching him, unfortunately I don't agree with his policies. Abbott needs media training pronto or acting classes, either would help his political career. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Generation X on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:53am
double post
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Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 9:25am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:46am:
True - Kevin is an expert at populism. He can speak for 30 minutes & nothing he says could be disagreed with by any normal person.- e.g. he'll say something like: we will encourage innovation, higher school standards , manufacturing & help farmers to succeed. We'll build a stronger Australia & a better future for our children. I think he has rote memorized populist statements. If you were a politician you'd have to do the same. Tell people what they want to hear & get voted in. Tony Abbott is great on the negativity. He said the new cabinet was not a B grade team it was a C grade team. Tony comes up with supreme negativity but it might be his downfall as people want to hear about hope for a better future even if it's bull dust. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 9:42am Bobby. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 9:25am:
I think you're wrong about Tony. He has given credit where credit is due, but those moments have been few and far between since Labor took office in 2007. You forget that as Leader of the Opposition, his job is not to blindly rubber-stamp government policy, but to hold the government to account and to offer a credible alternative. On both counts, he has succeeded, destroying Rudd first, then Gillard. Admittedly, he had SOME help from the Labor Party in this endeavour. He IS offering hope - hope to stop the waste, the bad policies and the dysfunction that is at the very core of this Labor government. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by aquascoot on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 12:58pm
oh i agree totally he's a slimey little weasel.
he's totally unscrupulous and looking at the way he treated julia he is vindictive, cunning and disloyal. he is cunning and clever. he is undeniably vain, pompous and in policy delivery, a total failure. still, he may well win. ;) ;) ;) ;) there is no justice in politics..look at bill hayden, simon crean,martin ferguson, kim beezley. all infinitely superior in every way to the twice appointed kevin |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:17pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 12:58pm:
Krudd's actions show he is not a team player in any way. It's all about Krudd. Same with Juliar - it was all about her staying in power, no matter what the cost to the party or country. Admittedly, Howard should've gone earlier, but at least he didn't take the country down with him - unlike Krudd and Juliar. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:19pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 9:42am:
Bobby - wrong? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:20pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:19pm:
Show the full conversation, I dare you! ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:21pm
It's the full conversation - silence! - a nodding head.
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Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Aussie on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:25pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:21pm:
In fact, it is not the full 'conversation.' The period of head nodding menacing silence was much longer, and it has been shortened to save TV viewing time. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:29pm Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:25pm:
Really? have you got the full version? |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Aussie on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:38pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:29pm:
No, I don't. But the full version of the menacing period of silence was around at the time. |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by froggie on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:40pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:52am:
Aren't they, though..... Many sleepless nights on that side of the fence. :) |
Title: Re: Proof that Rudd has not changed Post by Aussie on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 3:24pm
Find the full version here!
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