Indonesia takes aim at Abbott plan

Date
    July 6, 2013






Indonesia's President has delivered a sharp diplomatic rebuke to Tony Abbott's signature ''turn back the boats'' policy, signing a communique warning against ''unilateral'' actions that could lead to ''operational and other difficulties'' between nations.      :-?

The communique, signed by Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd after a meeting yesterday, reinforces both countries' emphasis on regional solutions to the people smuggling problem.

''They stressed the importance of avoiding unilateral actions which might jeopardise such a comprehensive regional approach and which might cause operational or other difficulties to any party,'' the statement said.


Indonesian officials agreed the phrase did, at least in part, target Mr Abbott's policy, which has caused widespread consternation in Jakarta because it means Indonesia has to look after any returned asylum seekers and it could threaten their sovereignty.      :(


Mr Yudhoyono later stressed that the asylum seeker issue was not just a problem for Australia. ''Indonesia also receives thousands of boat people … we have to manage this inflow and at the same time, if we are the only ones solving this issue, it will not be fair,'' he said.

The comments came as an Australian navy ship, HMAS Larrakia, responded to a distress call from an asylum seeker boat with an estimated 80 people on board, 42 nautical miles off the coast of Java.

Mr Yudhoyono's comments are the strongest yet from the Indonesian President and appear to be aimed at Mr Abbott, who has claimed his prime ministership would focus on Jakarta, not Geneva, and that his relationship with the Indonesians meant they would accept his policy to tow boats back to Indonesia ''when it is safe to do so''.

But Indonesians at many levels, including its ambassador to Australia and Deputy President Boediono, have already made it clear that they dislike Mr Abbott's approach because it seeks to push the problem back to them.     :(

Mr Yudhoyono proposed a conference of ''all parties'' in the region, which he said must be jointly responsible for the increasing flow of refugees and the power of people smugglers.

The conference, which Mr Rudd endorsed, should be held by the end of this month and would involve countries such as Afghanistan, Iran and Myanmar, from where the refugees come, the countries they pass through, such as Indonesia, and Australia, their destination.

In his first press conference as Prime Minister last week, Mr Rudd received fierce criticism from the opposition when he said Mr Abbott's policy risked ''conflict'' with Indonesia.

''So what happens on day one when Field Marshal Tony puts out the order to the captain of the Australian naval frigate X to turn back a bunch of boats?'' Mr Rudd said. ''And you've got a naval frigate from the Indonesian navy on the other side of the equation?''      :(

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said in a statement: "We believe strong domestic border policies support the broader regional border security agenda being advocated by Indonesia. That is what the Coalition's policies on our borders are all about."

Mr Yudhoyono also seemed to give some concession to Australian concerns about quotas for beef imports, which have cruelled the northern Australian cattle industry.

Without saying anything concrete on quotas or his country's policy of beef self-sufficiency, he acknowledged that, with his country's ''consuming class'' growing, the demand for beef would rise beyond the capacity of the local industry. He opened the door to higher imports from Australia, saying there was ''a need for greater co-operation in the field of trade with beef in Australia''.

But they agreed Australia should do more to develop the Indonesian industry. Mr Rudd announced a $60 million funding package over 10 years to establish an Indonesia-Australia red meat and cattle forum.

Earlier, Mr Rudd said he was optimistic about a future in which Australia provided expertise to a larger Indonesian beef industry, but before that could happen, quotas had to be eased.

Mr Yudhoyono also emphasised that the contentious territory of West Papua was a sovereign part of Indonesia's territory, despite the ''propaganda being spread in many countries of separatism''. Indonesians are often suspicious that Australian wants to split West Papua. Mr Rudd said Australia recognised that West Papua was part of Indonesia.


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/indonesia-takes-aim-at-abbott-plan-20130705-2phhb.html#ixzz2YD5nlAoi

There needs to be a regional solution to this problem instead of Mr Abbotts usual one liners and slogans.

What will phoney Tony do now Indonesia has said they will not accept his turn back the boats? He can no longer shout turn back the boats, the Indonesians have effectively buggered the little women basher over. Unless of course like Red, Phoney Tony wants to declare war on Indonesia.

Forget what the Indo's are saying publicly ....

they've privately told Bishop that they welcome Tony's plan.  ;D ;D

There only ever was one problem and that problem was Rudd ...




http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/detenticon_nov_thumb.jpg

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

There needs to be a regional solution to this problem instead of Mr Abbotts usual one liners and slogans.

mmmmmm so the rudsters got one hasnt he.. he has only had 6 bloody years to come up with one...oh thats right its only IF he did something wrong...

so unless he actually admits he did do something wrong he doesnt need to come up wioth a solution..thats it isnt it???

Abbott who had not a thing to do with opening the floodgates must of course have the answer. to closing in...


good one lefties..makes sense to you.

Never mind what the Indonesian s say now

Perhaps after a quiet chat about aid $ they may change tunes

Who cares what the Indonesians like or dislike.
They don't mind our aid, they promise much and deliver little.
Abbott will do what Labor cannot do.
Re-introduce TPV's, in conjunction with the turn back policy.
Rudd agreed with the turn back policy in 2007.
Even a former fleet Admiral from 2002 - 2005 stated that a re-introduction of the same policy today would work.
Good enough.

The left believe that Indonesia and the people smugglers should formulate our border protection policy.

How is the coalitions policies aimed at securing regional problems of people smuggling?  Howards Pacific solution may have stopped boats to Australia but people smuggling was never stopped.  I think racist Morrison is yet again telling fibs.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

The left believe that Indonesia and the people smugglers should formulate our border protection policy.

The Right, they think they know everything yet as revealed by I.B are drowning in ignorance.

The Left see people as people and so they deserve respect and humane treatment. This is the driver behind Greens' position on immigrants.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

Who cares what the Indonesians like or dislike. They don't mind our aid, they promise much and deliver little. Abbott will do what Labor cannot do. Re-introduce TPV's, in conjunction with the turn back policy. Rudd agreed with the turn back policy in 2007. Even a former fleet Admiral from 2002 - 2005 stated that a re-introduction of the same policy today would work. Good enough.

Rudd agreed but then got a national security brie, which he has offered to tony, advising against it.  I'd take the advise from national security over a retired admiral.  And of course would consider quite heavily the implications of Indonesia refusing to support the policy

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

The left believe that Indonesia and the people smugglers should formulate our border protection policy.

Well, the Australian Right certainly shouldn't.

Ever.

It's due to them and their xenophobia under Howard that we
even have a supposed (but not actual) 'problem'.

Which will be exacerbated, of course, by the filth currently
occupying the Opposition benches, given half a chance.

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:02pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 4:39pm: The left believe that Indonesia and the people smugglers should formulate our border protection policy. Well, the Australian Right certainly shouldn't. Ever. It's due to them and their xenophobia under Howard that we even have a supposed (but not actual) 'problem'. Which will be exacerbated, of course, by the filth currently occupying the Opposition benches, given half a chance.

Yes, you're right; because before Howard every country had an open border policy and there were rainbows and lollipops and people holding hands everywhere.

If from a few hundred to over 40000 you don't recognise a problem then you have some serious issues that would also pose a problem for you in real life.

I prefer a troll who is a little bit clever. this one doesnt cut it for me. Lets have a replacement.

ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:

I prefer a troll who is a little bit clever. this one doesnt cut it for me. Lets have a replacement.

You'll get what your given but a little bit cleverer than you would mean only drooling out one corner of a mouth.

Nope, sorry. Still, lacking. Try googling some clever insults, better not to rely on your native wit. Doesnt go well to be unarmed.

Ill let you know when your opinion in required, until then you should get back to work at the gay bath house. That steaming semen isn't going to lick itself up.

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

Ill let you know when your opinion in required, until then you should get back to work at the gay bath house. That steaming semen isn't going to lick itself up.

The things you think about.

ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:44pm: Ill let you know when your opinion in required, until then you should get back to work at the gay bath house. That steaming semen isn't going to lick itself up. The things you think about.

I'd be more curious to know what he thinks WITH!

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:08pm:

If from a few hundred to over 40000 you don't recognise a problem then you have some serious issues that would also pose a problem for you in real life.

As I said before, I'm not the one with issues.

Better get that mirror replaced.

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

I'd be more curious to know what he thinks WITH!

whatever it is. it tends towards the gay side. And thats just an observation, theres nothing wrong with that.

ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:56pm: I'd be more curious to know what he thinks WITH! whatever it is. it tends towards the gay side. And thats just an observation, theres nothing wrong with that.

I thought you'd be proud of it? Why the need to hide?

Kat wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:08pm: If from a few hundred to over 40000 you don't recognise a problem then you have some serious issues that would also pose a problem for you in real life. As I said before, I'm not the one with issues. Better get that mirror replaced.

So you think that we do have a problem then. Whew!
I was beginning to think you were completely batsht crazy.

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:58pm: Kat wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:56pm: I'd be more curious to know what he thinks WITH! whatever it is. it tends towards the gay side. And thats just an observation, theres nothing wrong with that. I thought you'd be proud of it? Why the need to hide?

You are the one who bought up gay bath houses and licking semen. Not something im into but from an observational point of view it pretty much screams repressed homosexuality.

Indonesians Dislike Mr Abbott's Approach

He should send Julie back to tell them to not worry again as it is just for local consumption and not something they would really do.

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:58pm: Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:08pm: If from a few hundred to over 40000 you don't recognise a problem then you have some serious issues that would also pose a problem for you in real life. As I said before, I'm not the one with issues. Better get that mirror replaced. So you think that we do have a problem then. Whew! I was beginning to think you were completely batsht crazy.

There's that mirror again..

Look, pal. why not just smack off while youre' ahead (Ok, you're not ahead, but the sentiment remains the same).

The one failing of this forum, is that assholes like you are permitted to become and remain members.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

How is the coalitions policies aimed at securing regional problems of people smuggling?  Howards Pacific solution may have stopped boats to Australia but people smuggling was never stopped.  I think racist Morrison is yet again telling fibs.

Howards Pacific solution DID stop boats to Australia, there is no "may" about it.
And nothing will stop people smuggling, slavery, prostitution and many other things that go on in the world.
But then again, we don't elect our leaders to try and solve the worlds issues now do we.
We elect them to solve ours.
And Howard did fix a problem that developed, and Rudd along with Juliar brought it back worse than it ever was.
Labor has had five years to come up with a workable regional solution.
There time is up.

The libs have had 5 years to put in a leader that knows how to lead and is able to come up with policies for the countries future ... their time is up.

____ wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:15pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 4:39pm: The left believe that Indonesia and the people smugglers should formulate our border protection policy. The Right, they think they know everything yet as revealed by I.B are drowning in ignorance. The Left see people as people and so they deserve respect and humane treatment. This is the driver behind Greens' position on immigrants.

Well perhaps the country shoppers should migrate here lawfully like the majority did eh.
It's good to see you finally see these immigrants for what they are.

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

Again, not surprising, he has integrity and won't make KRUDD like promises to them. He wants to protect this country and stop the country being used as a never ending Lotto win for the illegals.

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:40am: You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke. NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that. Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:46am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:40am: You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke. NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that. Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is. So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm.
The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however.
That boat was in International waters.

Rudd is a huge believer in turning back boats

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/rudd-to-turn-back-boatpeople/story-e6frg8yx-1111114943944

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:55am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:46am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:40am: You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke. NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that. Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is. So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal. The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm. The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however. That boat was in International waters.

I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark  looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers.

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:59am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:55am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:46am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:40am: You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke. NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that. Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is. So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal. The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm. The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however. That boat was in International waters. I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark  looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers.

Christmas Island is still regarded as Australian territory even though it is closer to Indonesia.
This is why border protection command patrols there.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:18am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:59am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:55am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:46am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:40am: You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke. NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that. Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is. So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal. The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm. The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however. That boat was in International waters. I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark  looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers. Christmas Island is still regarded as Australian territory even though it is closer to Indonesia. This is why border protection command patrols there.

Your highlighted point doesn't disprove that statement. It's true. My point is- the Australian government is making the journey easier by picking up boats after only travelling 40 nautical miles. They've done everything to help people smugglers.

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 1:56pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:18am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:59am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:55am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:46am: Big Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:40am: You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke. NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that. Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is. So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal. The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm. The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however. That boat was in International waters. I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark  looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers. Christmas Island is still regarded as Australian territory even though it is closer to Indonesia. This is why border protection command patrols there. Your highlighted point doesn't disprove that statement. It's true. My point is- the Australian government is making the journey easier by picking up boats after only travelling 40 nautical miles. They've done everything to help people smugglers.

This is what Labor has done for five years.
They are the best friend a foreign criminal people smuggler would want.
Thanks to Labor, employment in the foreign people smuggling trade has risen 200x.

Shock as Indonesia might not like a process where they need to be more accountable than the precious bugger all that they do to help right now.....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

Shock as Indonesia might not like a process where they need to be more accountable than the precious bugger all that they do to help right now.....

We have to grease the corrupt Indonesian bastards better than the people smugglers do. Otherwise Indonesia will 'dislike' our approach.



Asian century, innit.


None of this rule of law and what's right shite. It's all about the 'bakhshish gimme'.

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:13pm: Shock as Indonesia might not like a process where they need to be more accountable than the precious bugger all that they do to help right now..... We have to grease the corrupt Indonesian bastards better than the people smugglers do. Otherwise Indonesia will 'dislike' our approach. Asian century, innit. None of this rule of law and what's right shite. It's all about the 'bakhshish gimme'.

Good heavens. Only just realized that one, old chap?

Don’t let the Yarpie kbow you’re onto him. Let’s just keep this baksheesh stuff between you and I, eh?

Check it out.....myths busted!!!!

I told you it was a storm in a teacup, right whingers, but keep up the outrage, it's always good for a laugh.



Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters

DO you believe that thousands of illegal boat people are swamping our shores in unprecedented numbers and threatening Australian jobs and the economy?
You wouldn't be the only person to do so - and you'll be hearing more about it as politicians jockey for your vote ahead of the federal election.
Asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters is likely to be one of the top issues

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/ten-myths-around-asylum-seekers-arriving-on-boats-in-australian-waters/story-fndir2ev-1226676024840

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Check it out.....myths busted!!!! I told you it was a storm in a teacup, right whingers, but keep up the outrage, it's always good for a laugh. Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters

I have no idea what this 'myth' reply is trying to dispel, but it ain't the myth they proclaim or am I afflicted with some sort of  comprehension issue. Either way it just makes stuff up and then 'dispels the stuff they make up. Pretty puerile stuff, but it is from a murdoch news feed



Myth 7: People from war torn countries cause problems

REALITY: According to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship, the number of settlers - people entitled to permanent residence, including people arriving in Australia on humanitarian programs - between July 2010 and June 2011 came from more than 200 countries and totalled 127,460.

Most were born in one of the following four countries:

• New Zealand (20.2 per cent)

• China (11.5 per cent)

• United Kingdom (8.6 per cent)

• India (8.3 per cent)



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/ten-myths-around-asylum-seekers-arriving-on-boats-in-australian-waters/story-fndir2ev-1226676024840#ixzz2YQrANk3v

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

It sure is a joke...a big, huge joke.

Indonesian vessel, Indonesian flag, Indonesian crew, in Indonesian waters.

Allegedly the paid lots of money to people smugglers passengers on board threatened to harm themselves if they were returned to Indonesia and not taken to Australia.
So our Navy took them to Christmas Island, a long way away.

Looks like Kev's newest best friend Indonesian President SBY is just carrying on as normal as regards people-smuggling. :)
Another boat arrived today.

Yes, we're the biggest suckers in the world!

I'll agree they're not here to take our jobs, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are still on the dole after five years  ;D
They're here to retire.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

I'll agree they're not here to take our jobs, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are still on the dole after five years  ;D They're here to retire.

Abdul Nacer Benbrika prior to being gaoled for planning with his jihadi mates to set off bombs at the MCG during the AFL Grand Final, was unemployed since arriving in the country nineteen years ago.
All he knew to do was make seven or so babies and rake in the taxpayer dollars.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 4:26pm: I'll agree they're not here to take our jobs, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are still on the dole after five years  ;D They're here to retire. Abdul Nacer Benbrika prior to being gaoled for planning with his jihadi mates to set off bombs at the MCG during the AFL Grand Final, was unemployed since arriving in the country nineteen years ago. All he knew to do was make seven or so babies and rake in the taxpayer dollars.

Pity we couldn't make Australian citizenship conditional on not being a total fvcktard  >:(

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Check it out.....myths busted!!!! I told you it was a storm in a teacup, right whingers, but keep up the outrage, it's always good for a laugh. Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters DO you believe that thousands of illegal boat people are swamping our shores in unprecedented numbers and threatening Australian jobs and the economy? You wouldn't be the only person to do so - and you'll be hearing more about it as politicians jockey for your vote ahead of the federal election. Asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters is likely to be one of the top issues http://www.news.com.au/world-news/ten-myths-around-asylum-seekers-arriving-on-boats-in-australian-waters/story-fndir2ev-1226676024840

Not as funny though as when Labor is thrown out on it's arse at the next election.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Abdul Nacer Benbrika prior to being gaoled for planning with his jihadi mates to set off bombs at the MCG during the AFL Grand Final, was unemployed since arriving in the country nineteen years ago. All he knew to do was make seven or so babies and rake in the taxpayer dollars.

What a legend, I bet theres a statue of him back in the middle east somewhere and the people smugglers use a picture of it on their travel brochures right next to a picture of Kevin Rudd.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

There needs to be a regional solution to this problem instead of Mr Abbotts usual one liners and slogans.

What 'regional solution' do you have in mind?

Yudhoyono got everything he wanted from Rudd;

"I salute you Mr President" said Rudd...saw it on tv.

Yes, Rudd's usual diplomacy..."Yes sir, yes sir, 3 bags full sir".

No mention of Schapelle Corby in the after talks press conference.
Rudd was supposed to be going to have her on his meetings agenda.
No mention of Chan and Sukumaran who are on death row either.

Nice work Kev...what did you get...nothing much.

bambu wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Yudhoyono got everything he wanted from Rudd; "I salute you Mr President" said Rudd...saw it on tv. Yes, Rudd's usual diplomacy..."Yes sir, yes sir, 3 bags full sir". No mention of Schapelle Corby in the after talks press conference. Rudd was supposed to be going to have her on his meetings agenda. No mention of Chan and Sukumaran who are on death row either. Nice work Kev...what did you get...nothing much.

who cares about drug traffickers? Much more important things to discuss than those idiots.

Quote:

When asked how he would respond if asylum seekers threatened to sink their vessels or threw their children overboard, Mr Abbott replied that Australians needed to place more faith in the Navy's personnel.

You can guarantee that's what these "Economic Migrants" (Bob Carr) will do.

Solution: Sail away and leave them to pick their children out of the water.

If they sink their boat?

Solution: Let them eat cake.

No, wait a minute.

Pick them all up ... put them into a shipping container (already on the navy boats for just such a contingency) ... and fly the container to Indonesia using a caribou helicopter.

Settle the shipping container on Indonesian soil, and then fly the helicopter back to the navy boat.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/caribou_zps2a718998.png

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Quote: When asked how he would respond if asylum seekers threatened to sink their vessels or threw their children overboard, Mr Abbott replied that Australians needed to place more faith in the Navy's personnel. You can guarantee that's what these "Economic Migrants" (Bob Carr) will do. Solution: Sail away and leave them to pick their children out of the water. If they sink their boat? Solution: Let them eat cake. No, wait a minute. Pick them all up ... put them into a shipping container (already on the navy boats for just such a contingency) ... and fly the container to Indonesia using a caribou helicopter. Settle the shipping container on Indonesian soil, and then fly the helicopter back to the navy boat. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/caribou_zps2a718998.png

I'm not sure what's worse ... either you know how stupid that comment is, and post it anyway ... or you are too stupid to know how stupid that comment is.

Either way you're an idiot.

But then again, maybe the Border Patrol boats can take them to Christmas Island, and when there's enough of them to fill an Airbus A380 they can be transferred to Darwin Airport for a flight back to the Middle East?

What do you think, John? Does this idea have wings?

You know what the Sicilian Italians have been doing with the boatloads of Africans coming their way, don't you?

Sink their boats and leave them to drown. A bit harsh, but it doesn't make US look too bad, does it?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 4:26pm: I'll agree they're not here to take our jobs, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are still on the dole after five years  ;D They're here to retire. Abdul Nacer Benbrika prior to being gaoled for planning with his jihadi mates to set off bombs at the MCG during the AFL Grand Final, was unemployed since arriving in the country nineteen years ago. All he knew to do was make seven or so babies and rake in the taxpayer dollars.

Benbrika was born in Algeria: various sources give his age as 45 or 46 as of November 2005. He was trained as an aircraft engineer. He arrived in Australia in May 1989 on a one-month visitor's permit, on which he twice gained extensions, and settled in the northern suburbs of Melbourne....

I'm shocked....
No boat involved.

:)

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 5:11pm: Abdul Nacer Benbrika prior to being gaoled for planning with his jihadi mates to set off bombs at the MCG during the AFL Grand Final, was unemployed since arriving in the country nineteen years ago. All he knew to do was make seven or so babies and rake in the taxpayer dollars. What a legend, I bet theres a statue of him back in the middle east somewhere and the people smugglers use a picture of it on their travel brochures right next to a picture of Kevin Rudd.

Benbrika was born in Algeria: various sources give his age as 45 or 46 as of November 2005. He was trained as an aircraft engineer. He arrived in Australia in May 1989 on a one-month visitor's permit, on which he twice gained extensions, and settled in the northern suburbs of Melbourne

:D :D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

But then again, maybe the Border Patrol boats can take them to Christmas Island, and when there's enough of them to fill an Airbus A380 they can be transferred to Darwin Airport for a flight back to the Middle East? What do you think, John? Does this idea have wings? You know what the Sicilian Italians have been doing with the boatloads of Africans coming their way, don't you? Sink their boats and leave them to drown. A bit harsh, but it doesn't make US look too bad, does it?

have they? You realise Italy's been getting over 100 000 asylum seekers a year, for many years ... If the Sicilians are sinking the boats (I'm not aware of this but assuming your information is correct) , but that's most likely the Sicilian Mafia because they are in a turf war over drug sales. Centred mainly around Naples.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

But then again, maybe the Border Patrol boats can take them to Christmas Island, and when there's enough of them to fill an Airbus A380 they can be transferred to Darwin Airport for a flight back to the Middle East? What do you think, John? Does this idea have wings? You know what the Sicilian Italians have been doing with the boatloads of Africans coming their way, don't you? Sink their boats and leave them to drown. A bit harsh, but it doesn't make US look too bad, does it?

Link???

:)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Check it out.....myths busted!!!! I told you it was a storm in a teacup, right whingers, but keep up the outrage, it's always good for a laugh. Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters DO you believe that thousands of illegal boat people are swamping our shores in unprecedented numbers and threatening Australian jobs and the economy? You wouldn't be the only person to do so - and you'll be hearing more about it as politicians jockey for your vote ahead of the federal election. Asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters is likely to be one of the top issues http://www.news.com.au/world-news/ten-myths-around-asylum-seekers-arriving-on-boats-in-australian-waters/story-fndir2ev-1226676024840

News Limited?? Suddenly News Limited is reliable??

Lobo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 6:59pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 5:11pm: Abdul Nacer Benbrika prior to being gaoled for planning with his jihadi mates to set off bombs at the MCG during the AFL Grand Final, was unemployed since arriving in the country nineteen years ago. All he knew to do was make seven or so babies and rake in the taxpayer dollars. What a legend, I bet theres a statue of him back in the middle east somewhere and the people smugglers use a picture of it on their travel brochures right next to a picture of Kevin Rudd. Benbrika was born in Algeria: various sources give his age as 45 or 46 as of November 2005. He was trained as an aircraft engineer. He arrived in Australia in May 1989 on a one-month visitor's permit, on which he twice gained extensions, and settled in the northern suburbs of Melbourne :D :D :D

What? He wasnt "illegal" then?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Yes, Indonesia doesn't like Abbott's approach.
Left/Far Left voters, and swinging voters, here...which seems to include most of the immigrants...don't like Abbott's approach...they love the "poor refugees" [in reality 'economic immigrants'].

They're all now rushing to worship Rudd.
They love him and Labor as they hand them all free stuff, welfare cash for life, soft policies on everything, and open-borders.

Rudd-labor will likely win the next election and the country as we know it will be finished.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Check it out.....myths busted!!!! I told you it was a storm in a teacup, right whingers, but keep up the outrage, it's always good for a laugh. Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters

*********

Our very own Australian Foreign Minister only recently 'busted' the greatest myth of all ~ and in doing so, he exposed how it is that the boat people are being 'assessed' as genuine refugees for no other reason than political expediency and to keep our Muslim community onside with the Labor Party.


Quote:

More than 90% of asylum seekers arriving by boat are found to be genuine refugees, but foreign minister Bob Carr has said he believes most are in fact economic migrants and on some boats 100% of the asylum seekers are in fact economic migrants and not genuine refugees.

source

And lordy! how this has brought howls and screams of protest from the leftwing traitors whose agenda is to see Australian society totally f*cked up by immigrant Muslim tribalism as a precursor to establishing a One Party Socialist State.

Lobo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 9:17pm: But then again, maybe the Border Patrol boats can take them to Christmas Island, and when there's enough of them to fill an Airbus A380 they can be transferred to Darwin Airport for a flight back to the Middle East? What do you think, John? Does this idea have wings? You know what the Sicilian Italians have been doing with the boatloads of Africans coming their way, don't you? Sink their boats and leave them to drown. A bit harsh, but it doesn't make US look too bad, does it? Link??? :)

Hi Froggie!

Link?

I've checked. They've pulled it. Not politically correct. "Doesn't send the right message".

But! I found one source that hasn't been found and identified by the Socialists.

It refers to 'clandestine massacres' of these Economic Migrants coming across from North Africa.


Quote:

“Clandestine” massacres are not the effect of misfortune but they are a consequence of European governments’ politics: lawfully entering Europe is almost impossible! EU and national laws are everyday more strict and they only worry about that terrorists may try to come to Europe disguised as asylum seekers. EU Court on human rights is ignored by governments…

Quote:

. Migrants massacres are used as “deterrent” to the desperate that run away from the poorest regions of the world as well as saying that stricter rules are to stop immigration should calm European citizens down. And everything comes against men, women,

link

Enjoy.