why did we send a naval ship into Indonesian waters to pick up passengers from a people smuggling boat in distress just off Java??????....


can anyone explain just what sort of message, is that sending to the people smuggling empire.???

was this a cosy up to the Indonesian govt ????.

seems like madness to me.

The world shares a collective guilt and shame because we turned away Jewish refugees fleeing from Hitlers Holocaust....may be if society had had the decency to do such a kindness as this some would have been spared the gas chambers...

maritme laws as well as common decency dictate that when a boat is in distress, the nearest ship will go to it's aid, regardless of whose waters it is in.

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

maritme laws as well as common decency dictate that when a boat is in distress, the nearest ship will go to it's aid, regardless of whose waters it is in.

the nearest ship was LAND>

What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea?

It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue.

So the Indonesians are never to rescue the boats launched from their shores?
They have outsourced it all to us?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue.

as a country that spends 7 times what we do on defence... I would think Indonesia would have had a ship more than handy....sorry pansi... looks very contrived to me...the boat had just left Java and it was sinking... give me strength..and you are making excuses..

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

So the Indonesians are never to rescue the boats launched from their shores? They have outsourced it all to us?

yes you could say that bogy??.. maybe thats one of the million or so jobs swanny was always boasting about....rescue mission impossible..

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:40am: What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue. as a country that spends 7 times what we do on defence... I would think Indonesia would have had a ship more than handy....sorry pansi... looks very contrived to me...the boat had just left Java and it was sinking... give me strength..and you are making excuses..

Apparently it was 42 nautical miles from shore, that's a fair swim for anybody.

Wouldn't the closest vessel go to the rescue? that was most likely the one that did go to the rescue, so it was one of ours....we should be thankful, not critical of them,  that they got the passengers to safety.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

cods wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:45am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:40am: What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue. as a country that spends 7 times what we do on defence... I would think Indonesia would have had a ship more than handy....sorry pansi... looks very contrived to me...the boat had just left Java and it was sinking... give me strength..and you are making excuses.. Apparently it was 42 nautical miles from shore, that's a fair swim for anybody. Wouldn't the closest vessel go to the rescue? that was most likely the one that did go to the rescue, so it was one of ours....we should be thankful, not critical of them,  that they got the passengers to safety.

pansi it was ion  In donesian waters... why on earth would our navy be closer than theirs.

no one is saying let them drown...just asking WHY.. why then didnt the ship take them back to Java.. which had to be closer than Christmas Island.. come on I dont believe you dont think something smells about that?

I honestly think the Indonesian govt is behind them leaving in the first place.. life is cheap over there.

If they had drown you would of all been on here saying it was labor fault.

For a warship to go into another country port they have to get permission first they can't just roll up, that is why they took them to Christmas island instead of Indonesia

cods wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:24am: maritme laws as well as common decency dictate that when a boat is in distress, the nearest ship will go to it's aid, regardless of whose waters it is in. the nearest ship was LAND>

well it's a bit hard to get LAND to go out and rescue them now isn't it ..... I swear your comments get dumber by the day cods.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

So the Indonesians are never to rescue the boats launched from their shores? They have outsourced it all to us?

Indonesia often rescues these boats ... but in this particular case, our boat was closer and able to get their quicker ... what part of that is difficult for you?

personally I think we should stop patrolling regularly up there save some money and take the sugar off the table in doing so.
This would be another way of increasing their risk and act as a deterrent.
The people Smugglers are just using our military as an escort service.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue.

Under Labor more than 1000 have died compared to 200

So it's clear that Labor wants them killed off

Maqqa wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:40am: What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue. Under Labor more than 1000 have died compared to 200 So it's clear that Labor wants them killed off

How many died in Indonesia because there were no boats available? Didn't they die because of coalition policy too? or you don't count the ones that aren't published in the local papers? Or perhaps you don't care once they cross an imaginary line?

The Royal Australian Navy people taxis........the money making people smugglers are laughing their arses off, their overheads have decreased substantially. ;D ;D

Society is collectively responsible for refugees drowning on the high seas...humanity must fight for human security and the abolition of poverty, inequality and injustice....Fight like hell against libertarians and obectivists....

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

maritme laws as well as common decency dictate that when a boat is in distress, the nearest ship will go to it's aid, regardless of whose waters it is in.

The rest of the maritime law states that the boat will be taken to the nearest port.

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:57pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:40am: What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue. Under Labor more than 1000 have died compared to 200 So it's clear that Labor wants them killed off How many died in Indonesia because there were no boats available? Didn't they die because of coalition policy too? or you don't count the ones that aren't published in the local papers? Or perhaps you don't care once they cross an imaginary line?

So we are now looking at the "no boats available" situation ie when they are in Indonesia???  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue.

No, inform the Indonesians that a boat in their jurisdiction has sent a distress signal of course.
It's up to them.
We shouldn't have to go hunting all over the world for these country shoppers.

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:57pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:40am: What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue. Under Labor more than 1000 have died compared to 200 So it's clear that Labor wants them killed off How many died in Indonesia because there were no boats available? Didn't they die because of coalition policy too? or you don't count the ones that aren't published in the local papers? Or perhaps you don't care once they cross an imaginary line?

What's your point.
People die every minute of every day.
Who cares how many died in Indonesia because they couldn't get a smugglers boat.
Perhaps a plane flight might have been quicker eh.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:42am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:40am: What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea? It would be appalling if we didn't go to their rescue. No, inform the Indonesians that a boat in their jurisdiction has sent a distress signal of course. It's up to them. We shouldn't have to go hunting all over the world for these country shoppers.

I didn't think that the navy went hunting for andrei.

Can you give us a link where they did

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

So the Indonesians are never to rescue the boats launched from their shores? They have outsourced it all to us?

The Indonesians have far more defence assets than we do.
What they lack is the political will to fix the issue, despite the rhetoric from Bang Bang and KRudd.
Would they really have us believe they had no defence assets whatsoever on the southern part of Java.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

What would you do cods? let them sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea?

Quite a few people WOULD ...

( ... though they've learnt to mask that sentiment - very well)

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Who cares how many died in Indonesia because they couldn't get a smugglers boat. Perhaps a plane flight might have been quicker eh.

The Australian government should allow asylum seekers to fly into Australia at one tenth of the cost of coming on people smugglers' boats, says billionaire Clive Palmer. 
 
MR Palmer says the federal government's position on not issuing visas to asylum seekers fleeing Indonesia fuelled the people smuggling trade.

Mr Palmer said Australians collectively bore the responsibility of asylum seekers drowning at sea.

"We can eliminate the people smugglers. We can eliminate the problem. We can eliminate the drownings. We can treat people as human beings."

Mr Palmer said he did not approve of the offshore processing supported by both major parties.

"What sort of a nation are we if we don't follow our international responsibilities and allow people to come here safely?" he said.


http://www.news.com.au/national-news/let-asylum-seekers-fly-in-palmer/story-e6frfkvr-1226412973378

corporate_whitey wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

The world shares a collective guilt and shame because we turned away Jewish refugees fleeing from Hitlers Holocaust...

'Ship of Shame' ~ but what you say is not entirely true.

At the time this ship was putting into various ports to find safe sanction for its Jewish passengers, none of those countries would have dreamed it possible that Herman Goering was soon to order the extermination of the Jews as the Final Solution.

(It wasn't Hitler, Himmler, or Eichmann who came up with the idea of extermination).

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A later great shame was how, just after the war, Jews were very badly treated on a refugee ship bringing them to Australia.

I can't remember the nationality of the ship's crew, but apparently they treated the Jews every bit as badly as did Hitler's thugs.

At every opportunity, man's inhumanity to man never ceases to amaze and astonish.