ABC's Insiders.

Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership

Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal.

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !


Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

Shame Libs, Shame !

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame !

oh gawd here we go again clutching at straws...oh to see the demise of the greens.. all loonies.

cods wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! oh gawd here we go again clutching at straws...oh to see the demise of the greens.. all loonies.

Deflecting again.

Julie wants to be foreign minister. This means she wants to represent Australia o/s as wishy washy country on democracy.

Facists !

cods wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

oh gawd here we go again clutching at straws...

seems you don't mind clutching at them yourself, when it suits your agenda !!!!

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting -  regarding matters clearly of conscience




When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart
A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are
And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start

Whatever God you believe in
We come from the same one

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

errr - isn't that exactly what happened to Krudd, then Gillard?

... wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! errr - isn't that exactly what happened to Krudd, then Gillard?

Thanks for posting that since Libs have complained their guts out over these removals while approving others.

More hypocrisy from the libs.

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame !

I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people.
The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals.
And of course the hate for Israel and Jews.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:51am:

____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals. And of course the hate for Israel and Jews.

So now Liberals have degrees of democracy.

A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right?

Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom.

Freedom from logic?

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 11:44am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:51am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals. And of course the hate for Israel and Jews. So now Liberals have degrees of democracy. A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right? Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom. Freedom from logic?

The Lieberal Party outright does not believe in democracy they what they mean when they say they believe in small Government is that they believe in no Government...only the market....

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting -  regarding matters clearly of conscience When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all But it's a damn good place to start Whatever God you believe in We come from the same one

what wank is this???  how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? nope, you just want conscience votes when you think you can win biut not when you think you might lose.

hypocrtie.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:57am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting -  regarding matters clearly of conscience When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all But it's a damn good place to start Whatever God you believe in We come from the same one what wank is this???  how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? nope, you just want conscience votes when you think you can win biut not when you think you might lose. hypocrtie.

Would of been happy with a conscience vote on the right's illegal invasion in Afghanistans or Iraq.

Unfortunately Libs didn't want a debate since that would be too democratic for the supposed 'freedom party'.

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame !

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2011/09/crossing-the-floor


Quote:

Between 1950 and 2004, of the 14,243 divisions called in both houses of the Australian Federal Parliament (counting the way an MP voted), 493 divisions involved members crossing the floor. Of those members, 63% were from the Liberal Party; 26% were from the National/Country Party and 11% were from the ALP

89% from the Coalition


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When elected to parliament all ALP parliamentarians are subject to section 5 (d) of the ALP Constitution. It reads: The Federal Parliamentary Labor Party shall have authority in properly    constituted Caucus meetings to make decisions directed towards establishing the collective attitude of the Parliamentary Party to any question or matter in the Federal Parliament, subject to: at all times taking such action which may be possible to implement the Party's Platform and Conference decisions; on questions or matters which are not subject to National Platform or Conferenceor Executive decisions, the majority decision of Caucus being binding upon all members in the parliament. Hanging over the heads of all ALP Members of Parliament is the threat of expulsion from the party and the possibility of never being selected again as an ALP candidate in future elections. A parting gift to those who fail to toe the party-line is usually the bestowing of the title “Labor Rat”. These three threats are a terrific incentive to remain mute. Bite your tongue. Say nothing! The solidarity pledge, and the implied threats if the pledge is broken, succeeds in stopping ALP parliamentarians having a view of their own, that is contrary to Caucus, and expressing that view in parliament. It is in effect, a curtailment of exercising their parliamentary right to speak and vote according to their own belief or conscience and indeed expressing the views of their electorate.

Shame Greenswin Shame

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:15pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:57am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting -  regarding matters clearly of conscience When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all But it's a damn good place to start Whatever God you believe in We come from the same one what wank is this???  how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? nope, you just want conscience votes when you think you can win biut not when you think you might lose. hypocrtie. Would of been happy with a conscience vote on the right's illegal invasion in Afghanistans or Iraq. Unfortunately Libs didn't want a debate since that would be too democratic for the supposed 'freedom party'.

why not have conscience votes ALL THE TIME???  the carbon tax would never have made it thru and probably not workchoices either.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:57am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting -  regarding matters clearly of conscience When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all But it's a damn good place to start Whatever God you believe in We come from the same one what wank is this???  how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters???

ABORTION ?

Well - OBVIOUSLY


BOTH being "matters of conscience" - and to the detriment or benefit of NO-ONE outside of a pregnant woman and a same sex couple

For too long influential but non-representative christianist politicians and christianist lobby groups have held control over other people's lives, way out of proportion to their small number

Climate change, carbon pricing and emission trading schemes affect ALL - from the national to international communities
Matters of science are best left to EXPERTS in the field

You trying to say Christians don't have abortions?

:D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Greens - too stupid and immature to be allowed a say in anything.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:15pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:57am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting -  regarding matters clearly of conscience When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all But it's a damn good place to start Whatever God you believe in We come from the same one what wank is this???  how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? ABORTION ? Well - OBVIOUSLY BOTH being "matters of conscience" - and to the detriment or benefit of NO-ONE outside of a pregnant woman and a same sex couple For too long influential but non-representative christianist politicians and christianist lobby groups have held control over other people's lives, way out of proportion to their small number Climate change, carbon pricing and emission trading schemes affect ALL - from the national to international communities Matters of science are best left to EXPERTS in the field

and to add to the world of buzzard's hypocrisy comes the belief that in some areas - climate change for example - our parliamentarians should even have the right to an opinion. So in summary it is a conscience vote for thins he likes and no conscience vote for those he doesn't.  but the icing on the cake has got to be no right to a vote at ALL on climate change.

smell the hypocrisy!

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 11:44am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:51am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals. And of course the hate for Israel and Jews. So now Liberals have degrees of democracy. A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right? Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom. Freedom from logic?

Freedom doesn't mean destroying a country and repressing it's people green.
Do you imagine the fruity gay left wingers over there are distressed over this slight hump in the road to democracy.
Would the Germans have been in the wrong had they removed Hitler after his 1933 election win?
Of course not.
The Nazis party, along with the Muslim Brotherhood are not fit to lead a country and both were using a nations democratic political system to achieve power, and achieve a stranglehold over it's people.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:23pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:15pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:57am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting -  regarding matters clearly of conscience When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all But it's a damn good place to start Whatever God you believe in We come from the same one what wank is this???  how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? nope, you just want conscience votes when you think you can win biut not when you think you might lose. hypocrtie. Would of been happy with a conscience vote on the right's illegal invasion in Afghanistans or Iraq. Unfortunately Libs didn't want a debate since that would be too democratic for the supposed 'freedom party'. why not have conscience votes ALL THE TIME???  the carbon tax would never have made it thru and probably not workchoices either.

In that case, lets end parties and have a house full of independently thinking people who vote to represent their electors and not the faceless men.

Could conservative politicians think independently?

Grendel wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

You trying to say Christians don't have abortions? :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Greens - too stupid and immature to be allowed a say in anything.

Avoiding the obvious mea culpa I see Greens...  ;D

An idiot posting idiotic posts.........how the hell can the Labor government get rid of one PM because the back room boys say so, install another then do the same thing to her, then put the original one they smacking sacked back in to lead the country, and that is democracy.......you're all a bunch of wankers!

Oh look, the Labor conga line!

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chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 11:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:51am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals. And of course the hate for Israel and Jews. So now Liberals have degrees of democracy. A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right? Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom. Freedom from logic? Freedom doesn't mean destroying a country and repressing it's people green. Do you imagine the fruity gay left wingers over there are distressed over this slight hump in the road to democracy. Would the Germans have been in the wrong had they removed Hitler after his 1933 election win? Of course not. The Nazis party, along with the Muslim Brotherhood are not fit to lead a country and both were using a nations democratic political system to achieve power, and achieve a stranglehold over it's people.

Destroying a country is relative to one's view of destruction.

If we stop the fire then how is the phoenix born.

The Liberals are out to build a nanny state governed by nondemocratic means.

Conservative thinking liberal are a dangerous bunch.

Quote:

Destroying a country is relative to one's view of destruction. If we stop the fire then how is the phoenix born. The Liberals are out to build a nanny state governed by nondemocratic means. Conservative thinking liberal are a dangerous bunch.

The more you post the more certain one becomes of the invalidity of your thinking.

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 11:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:51am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals. And of course the hate for Israel and Jews. So now Liberals have degrees of democracy. A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right? Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom. Freedom from logic? Freedom doesn't mean destroying a country and repressing it's people green. Do you imagine the fruity gay left wingers over there are distressed over this slight hump in the road to democracy. Would the Germans have been in the wrong had they removed Hitler after his 1933 election win? Of course not. The Nazis party, along with the Muslim Brotherhood are not fit to lead a country and both were using a nations democratic political system to achieve power, and achieve a stranglehold over it's people. Destroying a country is relative to one's view of destruction.

Is their a relative position with the subjugation of people now is there?
You cannot be serious.

Greens logic...  what did you expect...  reality?

Grendel wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

Greens logic...  what did you expect...  reality?

the underlying pattern of Green thinking and policy is basic ILLOGIC.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:03pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 11:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:51am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals. And of course the hate for Israel and Jews. So now Liberals have degrees of democracy. A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right? Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom. Freedom from logic? Freedom doesn't mean destroying a country and repressing it's people green. Do you imagine the fruity gay left wingers over there are distressed over this slight hump in the road to democracy. Would the Germans have been in the wrong had they removed Hitler after his 1933 election win? Of course not. The Nazis party, along with the Muslim Brotherhood are not fit to lead a country and both were using a nations democratic political system to achieve power, and achieve a stranglehold over it's people. Destroying a country is relative to one's view of destruction. Is their a relative position with the subjugation of people now is there? You cannot be serious.

There are degrees of subjection according to the Liberal Party.

Some degrees are worthy of overthrowing a democratically elected government, some are not.
And as we know stands tend to drop on the right. One day they are supporting UN resolutions, next they are inciting mobs over refugees fleeing persecution and protected by UN resolutions.


Slippery slope now Libs have undermined their own concept of being  freedom fighters. No longer are the libs the party of freedom.

____ wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 4:16pm: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:03pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 11:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:51am: ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:26am: ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame ! I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals. And of course the hate for Israel and Jews. So now Liberals have degrees of democracy. A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right? Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom. Freedom from logic? Freedom doesn't mean destroying a country and repressing it's people green. Do you imagine the fruity gay left wingers over there are distressed over this slight hump in the road to democracy. Would the Germans have been in the wrong had they removed Hitler after his 1933 election win? Of course not. The Nazis party, along with the Muslim Brotherhood are not fit to lead a country and both were using a nations democratic political system to achieve power, and achieve a stranglehold over it's people. Destroying a country is relative to one's view of destruction. Is their a relative position with the subjugation of people now is there? You cannot be serious. There are degrees of subjection according to the Liberal Party. Some degrees are worthy of overthrowing a democratically elected government, some are not. And as we know stands tend to drop on the right. One day they are supporting UN resolutions, next they are inciting mobs over refugees fleeing persecution and protected by UN resolutions. Slippery slope now Libs have undermined their own concept of being  freedom fighters. No longer are the libs the party of freedom.

funny given that it is usually left-wing govt (like the Greens) that are the Undemocratic and totalitarian regimes.