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Title: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:01pm
For the climate change skeptics who have trouble understanding the relationship between extreme weather events and human contributions to planet warming should watch this episode of Catalyst:-
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3796205.htm Quote:
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Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Greens_Win on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:19pm
Isn't Catalyst an extremist program. from that bias left wing network, that bases their views on science.
You are just asking for trouble Lastnail. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:40pm ____ wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:19pm:
yeh it's terrible how these left wing organizations promote science and reason over money and greed :( just terrible isn't it :( |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Swagman on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:41pm
Aust better start building those nuke power stations without delay
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Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:03pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:01pm:
Where's the bit about "human contributions"? |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by The Grappler on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:13pm
I noted in that program that there was an assumed connection between such random events as the Toowoomba flood and 'climate change' - our new word for 'global warming' - and that the overall change to date was 0.8 of a degree. I also noted that there have been significant extreme weather events throughout history....
IF there is a correlation between Toowoomba flood and 'global warming' - why was that an isolated incident, as are most of the others cited? Surely we would expect a more consistent pattern if it were indeed 'global warming' that was causing these far-flung events. I believe the scientists involved - holding comfy sinecures as a past administrator I know at CSIRO once quoted them as, are making the facts fit the theory, rather than the theory fit the facts, and are swayed by the populist notion that we are all destroying ourselves - which fits neatly into a government drive to enforce Carbon Tax (a tax by any other name) and also de facto changeover to 'green' energy through funding it via constant rises in power prices, while braying (through their QANGO power suppliers) about 'costs of wages and maintenance' - which maintenance you never see.....and which costs are partly of their own calculated creation, since they 'sold' the power supply, incurring an ongoing cost, yet remain a stake/shareholder plus retain taxation/levy rights. An extra layer of cost to the end user.....(hello)... I have a lady in Kuala Lumpur and one in China (amongst others) - both have suffered outrageously from pollution - the one in KL due to Indonesian burning off of forests (Vale the Orang Utan), the one in China from industrial pollution. Yup - our Carbon Tax (a tax by any other name) really changes the world, eh? And our scientists and 'science' are so reliable, right? No wonder I generated the teaching factor called The Learned Professor of BOSHT - the Bleedingly Obvious Stated in High Sounding Terms. You mean there is more water vapour activity over the oceans than over the land? (falls off chair! And that affects local salinity - studied by the US Navy so their submarines won't crash-surface unexpectedly off the coast of the Faroffwana Coast of Africa and make life difficult for Seal Team Two?).... ADDS:- There is light at the end of the smoky tunnel - world economic and petroleum forces will inevitably lead to a total disruption of the current polluting style of economic warfare, and the West will inevitably re-tool with new and more efficient machinery - as it must to stay afloat... Nuclear or not - each has its own built-in disaster component(s).... don't expect the price of power to come down once 'green energy' is in place - it wears out in twenty years at the moment of expiry of cost, so will be a never-ending story.... Let's just reduce our wages and employment levels here until the great unwashed, the muzhiks, are begging for a chance to die in the foundries for peanuts.... so we can 'compete' with the rest of the world in a resurrection (zombie) of the Great Depression pre the inevitable World War III...... it's enough to make ME depressed..... ;D |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:29pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:01pm:
I think most people accept climate change. It's nothing new. Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:01pm:
Where was the bit about "human contributions"? |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:44pm
I watched the show as I'm always interested to hear if they have actually finally found real evidence of man made climate change, unfortunately the show was just another alarmist load of crap without basis, just a religious sermon with lots of the usual fire and brimstone, hopefully they'll find some real evidence soon, trying to sell unpleasant weather as something thats only been happening for the last thirty of forty years is really quite a ludicrous position to take. ;D
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Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:48pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:44pm:
Where did the show mention man-made climate change? |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:19pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
It didn't. ;) |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:27pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:19pm:
Yeah, funny that. No mention of AGW. Yet the OP states: "For the climate change skeptics who have trouble understanding the relationship between extreme weather events and human contributions to planet warming should watch this episode of Catalyst:-" And the title of the thread says: " ... 4 dummies". It's not hard to see who the "dummies" are. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:07pm
We need an ETS.
I was just watching BBC Breakfast news. The ETS we have here is now operating at $3 per tonne. I tell you, it's the future..... |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:10pm Swagman wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:41pm:
What about geothermal power? Did you know that 32 km under our feet, the earth is molten at over 1000 degrees? It could be a source of endless power. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:13pm
Geo thermal is limited at the source provider Bobby.
New Zealand and Iceland for example are easily able to generate geo-thermal energy sourcing because of their location and geographical make-up. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:17pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:03pm:
Quote:
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Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:28pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 2:44pm:
of course it can't be true because you have got shares in a coal company and that means less printed money for you in the future. why didn't i see that connection before ;) |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:35pm
Bobby
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
Hi Andrei, It's such a pity that all that energy is only 32km away yet we can't tap into it. I think the deepest hole ever drilled is about 10km deep. In places like NZ the molten rock is much closer to the surface of the earth. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:37pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:17pm:
[/quote] Seriously? That's all you've got? Please try harder next time. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:37pm:
Seriously? That's all you've got? Please try harder next time. [/quote] the focus of the report was to explain the correlation between planet warming and extreme weather events something which is also denied by the f.ckwits on this forum :( |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:45pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:41pm:
the focus of the report was to explain the correlation between planet warming and extreme weather events something which is also denied by the f.ckwits on this forum :( [/quote] OK, but you wrote: "For the climate change skeptics who have trouble understanding the relationship between extreme weather events and human contributions to planet warming should watch this episode of Catalyst:-" Perhaps this would have been better: "For the climate change skeptics who have trouble understanding the relationship between extreme weather events and planet warming should watch this episode of Catalyst:-" |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:50pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:45pm:
OK, but you wrote: "For the climate change skeptics who have trouble understanding the relationship between extreme weather events and human contributions to planet warming should watch this episode of Catalyst:-" Perhaps this would have been better: "For the climate change skeptics who have trouble understanding the relationship between extreme weather events and planet warming should watch this episode of Catalyst:-" [/quote] no I just provided you with the evidence that you requested and now you want to play word games. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:54pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:50pm:
no I just provided you with the evidence that you requested and now you want to play word games. [/quote] No "word games": just facts. The story is not about "human contributions to planet warming". Stick to the facts, and you might be taken more seriously in the future. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:02pm
you said
"Where's the bit about "human contributions"?" and I gave you the correct answer so don't be a f.cken jerk just because you are too lazy to read or listen. :( |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:04pm
Obviously the story was inferring that man is heating the planet, don't know why they just didn't come out and say it, maybe they've been told they are not allowed to make stuff up on their science shows anymore.
They also inferred that bad weather is a recent phenomenon only happeneing over the last few decades and not the millions of years that real science shows. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:07pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:02pm:
Actually, the answer you gave me said nothing about humans. " ... with the speed that emissions still enter the atmosphere ..." "For the climate change skeptics who have trouble understanding the relationship between extreme weather events and human contributions to planet warming should watch this episode of Catalyst:-" The episode wasn't about "the relationship between extreme weather events and human contributions to planet warming". It was about "the relationship between extreme weather events and planet warming". Stick to the facts. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by miketrees on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:35pm
Did you know that 32 km under our feet, the earth is molten at over 1000 degrees?
It could be a source of endless power. No, no way not going to happen there is probably a rare bat or spider or something living there Or even a Woggle or a Brown Bob |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 8:50pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:04pm:
they didn't come out and say that because people like you have a hard time even understanding the correlation between heating of the planet and extreme weather events. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 8:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:07pm:
well what emissions do you think she was referring to ?? |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:02pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
You are aware that we had the exact same weather events 100 years ago under cooler conditions aren't you?, or are you one of those global warming kooks that believe weather only began in 1980 ;D |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:08pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
yeh and the climate has always changed as well and I'm a climate change expert with no formal qualifications because I am a member of the liberal party :D LOL I am just glad that the education system has progressed to a level where unqualified dickheads are not respected for the bullshit that they pull out of their arse :( |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by muso on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:19pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
Unfortunately in Australia, we have "The Australian", which specialises in spreading disinformation. Australia (and Canada) will be dragged into line eventually. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 8th, 2013 at 9:42am Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:08pm:
OK so I'll take that as a NO you didn't realise that we had the exact same weather events 100 years ago under cooler conditions, all I can suggest is you do a little research, you will be very surprised at what you find. Alternatively you can remain shrouded in ignorance, I'm fairly certain that this will be the path you choose ;) |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8th, 2013 at 10:44am Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 8:51pm:
She doesn't say. Who knows? Perhaps she was talking about natural CO2 emissions, although she probably meant human. It wasn't the focus of the story though. Moreover, Anja Taylor is a reporter: she's not a scientist. The qualified people in the story made no mention of 'emissions'. Absolutely none. The 'emissions' comment was a personal opinion, added at the end of the story by the reporter. No wonder the AGW cult is losing so much credibility. |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 8th, 2013 at 4:00pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 9:42am:
all of the answers to the same tired old recycled questions from dumbarse skeptics can be found here:- http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by thelastnail on Jul 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 10:44am:
of course she's talking about the emissions on mars why wouldn't she be :D |
Title: Re: Catalyst explains extreme weather events 4 dummies Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8th, 2013 at 5:42pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm:
She is a reporter, not a scientist. None of the scientists mentioned emissions. However, you'd rather take the word of a reporter and ignore everything the scientists said. No wonder the AGW cult is losing so much credibility. |
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