http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17902245/pms-first-ad-is-about-positive-politics/

Labor's first 2013 election campaign advertisement is set to go to air starring Kevin Rudd.

The prime minister says he believes Australians are sick and tired of negative politics.

"I believe people want all of us to raise the standard," Mr Rudd says at the start of his 30 second message on Sunday about things he cares about.

"What I care about is whether your kids are getting better schools, whether people in the city and country have the same access to fast broadband," he says in the ad.

"Whether your local hospital has a decent emergency department, whether you have a strong economy and job security."

And for both sides of politics to have a positive plans for Australia's future, he says.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott has also been talking up "positive plans for Australia".

However the coalition came under fire last week over a Liberal party television ad on YouTube that showed new cabinet minister Julie Collins stumbling over words at a media conference.

Ms Collins said the media conference took place more than three years ago and accused the Liberals of editing the tape to make her performance look worse.

Stuttering groups questioned the use of the ad but shadow treasurer Joe Hockey defended it, saying Ms Collins "doesn't have a stutter, she just doesn't know what she's talking about".

Quote:

The prime minister says he believes Australians are sick and tired of negative politics.

But saying that Indonesia will invade Australia based on turn back the boat policies is really really positive?

Turn back the boats is a policy that Rudd supports anyway

From the man who has spent the last 3 years spreading negative impacts on the Labor Party?

Kevin has a bit too much form for playing the white knight.

Personally, I have nothing against negative politics. Governments should be held to account in my opinion.

same 'feelgood' motherhood statements the left always make.

they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver.
They are the fairy tale party

This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it

He's the hunted now

I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said

In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked

For example
He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats

More of the usual Trivia pathetica from our resident spam-bot, I see.

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Alot better than the $9000 thread

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Quote: The prime minister says he believes Australians are sick and tired of negative politics. But saying that Indonesia will invade Australia based on turn back the boat policies is really really positive?

He never said that.

Keep trying Maqqa.  You'll get something right one day.

He insinuated that.

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

He insinuated that.

Is that the same as "saying"?

No.

Another lie from Maqqa.

Carry on.

You do yourself no favours by resorting to semantics to excuse ineptness.

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

You do yourself no favours by resorting to semantics to excuse ineptness.

Buy yourself a dictionary: this isn't semantics.

This is facts.

Maqqa said "But saying that Indonesia will invade Australia based on turn back the boat policies is really really positive?"

Another lie from Maqqa.

No semantics:  a fact.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:01pm: You do yourself no favours by resorting to semantics to excuse ineptness. Buy yourself a dictionary: this isn't semantics. This is facts. Maqqa said "But saying that Indonesia will invade Australia based on turn back the boat policies is really really positive?" Another lie from Maqqa. No semantics:  a fact.

Just playing the same word game that Rudd is doing

The same word game where Rudd supports turning back boats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaklcXNjdks

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it He's the hunted now I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked For example He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats

If you had watched Bolt Report today (7/7/13) you would have seen a clip of Lemon O'Rudd saying those words that he did support turning the boats back. The man is not all that good at remembering things!

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked

Tis a good thing.  I reckon the political parties and Labor in particular scored an own goal here. 

The people got sick of the spin and the nodding heads and the on-message ministers.

Now, burned by spin and with more and more info easily available they rely less on what pollies tell them. 

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver. They are the fairy tale party

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

It doesn't MATTER MUCH was learnt from Tony Nutt's brilliant campaign that saw the highly incompetent Baillieu LibNats elected to government in Victoria, 2010 The brilliance - although deceitful aspect - of the campaign was to promise "all things to all people" ( ... think the pledge to Andrei, to cut back on those "revenue raising" hidden speed cameras - which they then severely increased in both number and penalty value) Getting into GOVERNMENT is the priority Policy change, broken promises and pledges can be explained away at a later date - generally blaming the previous government for their own failures ( ... to this day) If the electorate fails is too stupid to see this - they fully deserve the government they get

damien wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:07pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:51pm: This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it He's the hunted now I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked For example He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats If you had watched Bolt Report today (7/7/13) you would have seen a clip of Lemon O'Rudd saying those words that he did support turning the boats back. The man is not all that good at remembering things!

a bit like that clip of Abbott claiming a carbon tax was the best way to cut carbon emissions.

John Smith wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

damien wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:51pm: This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it He's the hunted now I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked For example He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats If you had watched Bolt Report today (7/7/13) you would have seen a clip of Lemon O'Rudd saying those words that he did support turning the boats back. The man is not all that good at remembering things! a bit like that clip of Abbott claiming a carbon tax was the best way to cut carbon emissions.

What about it jacksh1t

I have the courage to start a thread with the full interview you are referring to

Is there ANYONE on the left who is willing to do the same?

NOT ONE!!!

Face it we are in for lots of lies...  that is the Rudd way and it is the ALP way.

yesterday he claimed that Disability Care was brought about by his 20/20 summit...  yet it was an idea that had been going long before that.

No he will lie and make claims like he did when Labor were in opposition about Australians funding the Iraqis against Australian forces...  he is a liar and a disgrace.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:20pm: damien wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:51pm: This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it He's the hunted now I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked For example He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats If you had watched Bolt Report today (7/7/13) you would have seen a clip of Lemon O'Rudd saying those words that he did support turning the boats back. The man is not all that good at remembering things! a bit like that clip of Abbott claiming a carbon tax was the best way to cut carbon emissions. What about it jacksh1t I have the courage to start a thread with the full interview you are referring to Is there ANYONE on the left who is willing to do the same? NOT ONE!!!

the problem with you Gumpy is that you start about a dozen threads a day, and none of them are remotely based on facts ....  but you go for it, you obviously believe in quantity over quality

John Smith wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:27pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:23pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:20pm: damien wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:51pm: This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it He's the hunted now I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked For example He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats If you had watched Bolt Report today (7/7/13) you would have seen a clip of Lemon O'Rudd saying those words that he did support turning the boats back. The man is not all that good at remembering things! a bit like that clip of Abbott claiming a carbon tax was the best way to cut carbon emissions. What about it jacksh1t I have the courage to start a thread with the full interview you are referring to Is there ANYONE on the left who is willing to do the same? NOT ONE!!! the problem with you Gumpy is that you start about a dozen threads a day, and none of them are remotely based on facts ....  but you go for it, you obviously believe in quantity over quality

you go back under your rock now jacksh1t

I have made the above comment with reference to the exact words Rudd used

Datalife wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:51pm: I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked Tis a good thing.  I reckon the political parties and Labor in particular scored an own goal here.  The people got sick of the spin and the nodding heads and the on-message ministers. Now, burned by spin and with more and more info easily available they rely less on what pollies tell them.

Ur correct about the own goal - the thing is....

He's using the 2007 tactics....if you get caught - admit wrong and people will forgive you.

In 2013 - people are not that forgiving

Not only that - in 2007 the LIBs allowed him too much momentum before they shot him down

In 2013 - every comment he makes is shot down before it gathers momentum

Rudd is finding it difficult to gather momentum

Remember he went to China and campaign from there in 2007?

Last week he went to Indonesia to campaign - didn't work!!

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17902245/pms-first-ad-is-about-positive-politics/ Labor's first 2013 election campaign advertisement is set to go to air starring Kevin Rudd. The prime minister says he believes Australians are sick and tired of negative politics. "I believe people want all of us to raise the standard," Mr Rudd says at the start of his 30 second message on Sunday about things he cares about. "What I care about is whether your kids are getting better schools, whether people in the city and country have the same access to fast broadband," he says in the ad. "Whether your local hospital has a decent emergency department, whether you have a strong economy and job security." And for both sides of politics to have a positive plans for Australia's future, he says. Opposition leader Tony Abbott has also been talking up "positive plans for Australia". However the coalition came under fire last week over a Liberal party television ad on YouTube that showed new cabinet minister Julie Collins stumbling over words at a media conference. Ms Collins said the media conference took place more than three years ago and accused the Liberals of editing the tape to make her performance look worse. Stuttering groups questioned the use of the ad but shadow treasurer Joe Hockey defended it, saying Ms Collins "doesn't have a stutter, she just doesn't know what she's talking about".

What is hypocritical about that?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

What else can we expect from the Labor family of weasels.......repeat the same old guff week in week out. Then you have Buzz with his silly posts who crawled from under his rock or out of his butter-box as soon as KRUDD took the proverbial reins. Are queers misogynistic because we didn't hear from him when Juliar was "in command".......strange most male gays are bloody hairdressers and they have to be female friendly.

kev mark11... has a lot of history hasnt he.. a lot of history he has to live down..

he is hoping and of course so are the lefties on here that we all forget and forgive and move on...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

GUESS WHAT IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN>


what about his F#@*$* video...LOL

now thats more the REAL kev.

Socrates wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

What else can we expect from the Labor family of weasels.......repeat the same old guff week in week out. Then you have Buzz with his silly posts who crawled from under his rock or out of his butter-box as soon as KRUDD took the proverbial reins. Are queers misogynistic because we didn't hear from him when Juliar was "in command".......strange most male gays are bloody hairdressers and they have to be female friendly.

Oh really? You cant back that up whatsoever so i wont bother asking. Gays are in every profession.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:35am:

Socrates wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 7:13am: What else can we expect from the Labor family of weasels.......repeat the same old guff week in week out. Then you have Buzz with his silly posts who crawled from under his rock or out of his butter-box as soon as KRUDD took the proverbial reins. Are queers misogynistic because we didn't hear from him when Juliar was "in command".......strange most male gays are bloody hairdressers and they have to be female friendly. Oh really? You cant back that up whatsoever so i wont bother asking. Gays are in every profession. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

So they're NOT "female friendly" then........OK....

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Socrates wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 7:35am: Socrates wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 7:13am: What else can we expect from the Labor family of weasels.......repeat the same old guff week in week out. Then you have Buzz with his silly posts who crawled from under his rock or out of his butter-box as soon as KRUDD took the proverbial reins. Are queers misogynistic because we didn't hear from him when Juliar was "in command".......strange most male gays are bloody hairdressers and they have to be female friendly. Oh really? You cant back that up whatsoever so i wont bother asking. Gays are in every profession. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg So they're NOT "female friendly" then........OK....

maybe you should look up friendly in the dictionary ... for that matter look up misogyny. You don't have to bugger women to not hate them.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:

What about it jacksh1t I have the courage to start a thread with the full interview you are referring to Is there ANYONE on the left who is willing to do the same? NOT ONE!!!

What about all these thread that not one of you liberal supporters comment on

“When did motherhood statements become policies"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1373157995

Coalition won't fund WA rail project

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1373153330

What was Kevin thinking?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1373148644

The fat money controller

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372806386

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:23pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:20pm: damien wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:51pm: This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it He's the hunted now I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked For example He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats If you had watched Bolt Report today (7/7/13) you would have seen a clip of Lemon O'Rudd saying those words that he did support turning the boats back. The man is not all that good at remembering things! a bit like that clip of Abbott claiming a carbon tax was the best way to cut carbon emissions. What about it jacksh1t I have the courage to start a thread with the full interview you are referring to Is there ANYONE on the left who is willing to do the same? NOT ONE!!! the problem with you Gumpy is that you start about a dozen threads a day, and none of them are remotely based on facts ....  but you go for it, you obviously believe in quantity over quality you go back under your rock now jacksh1t I have made the above comment with reference to the exact words Rudd used

you've made many DUMB comments Gumpy, rarely referenced
Run Forrest Run

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

This time around - Rudd's not getting away with it He's the hunted now I remember in 2007 no one really checked what he said In 2013 - every word he makes is checked and triple checked For example He condemns Abbott for turning back the boat and I've found quotes of him saying he fully supports turning back the boats

yes, until the national security advisors told him it's a bad idea.

Socrates wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 7:35am: Socrates wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 7:13am: What else can we expect from the Labor family of weasels.......repeat the same old guff week in week out. Then you have Buzz with his silly posts who crawled from under his rock or out of his butter-box as soon as KRUDD took the proverbial reins. Are queers misogynistic because we didn't hear from him when Juliar was "in command".......strange most male gays are bloody hairdressers and they have to be female friendly. Oh really? You cant back that up whatsoever so i wont bother asking. Gays are in every profession. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg So they're NOT "female friendly" then........OK....

Where did i say that? Im not even sure what "female friendly" means but gays are just like everyone else in every profession.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

From the man who has spent the last 3 years spreading negative impacts on the Labor Party? Kevin has a bit too much form for playing the white knight. Personally, I have nothing against negative politics. Governments should be held to account in my opinion.

Personally, I have nothing against negative politics. Governments should be held to account in my opinion

I don't have any particular issue with it either except that it is unusual for it to be effective. In this case in my opinion the Liberals should have in general been more than a little more honest with their negative criticisms.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

same 'feelgood' motherhood statements the left always make. they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver. They are the fairy tale party

STOP THE BOATS

AXE THE TAX

Thoughts?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:47pm: same 'feelgood' motherhood statements the left always make. they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver. They are the fairy tale party STOP THE BOATS AXE THE TAX Thoughts?

Asking righties for thoughts?

C'mon Smithy, you know better than that....  ;) ;) :P :P

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:47pm: same 'feelgood' motherhood statements the left always make. they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver. They are the fairy tale party STOP THE BOATS AXE THE TAX Thoughts?

Howard stopped the boats. Rudd started them.
I agree with howard.
the alp has imposed many new burdens on aussie busionesses, the tax on air being one.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 10:18am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:47pm: same 'feelgood' motherhood statements the left always make. they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver. They are the fairy tale party STOP THE BOATS AXE THE TAX Thoughts? Howard stopped the boats. Rudd started them. I agree with howard. the alp has imposed many new burdens on aussie busionesses, the tax on air being one.

how much tax did you pay for the air you breathed whilst writing that claptrap?

if you didn't pay any because you weren't breathing, it would certainly explain the claptrap.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 10:18am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:47pm: same 'feelgood' motherhood statements the left always make. they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver. They are the fairy tale party STOP THE BOATS AXE THE TAX Thoughts? Howard stopped the boats. Rudd started them. I agree with howard. the alp has imposed many new burdens on aussie busionesses, the tax on air being one.

Sigh.............

Isn't STOP THE BOATS by T.ABBOTT a motherhood statement?
We aren't talking about history but the current ad & the upcoming election.
Isn't AXE THE TAX yet another one, or are you in my camp which is both of these are even too stupid to be considered statements let alone a all encompassing motherhood one.

We have no detail how these "POLICIES" will be enacted & in the boats case we have a foreign government already opposed to it with even the VICE PRESIDENT speaking out.

Please list 2 more of these "MANY" burdens on business the ALP has introduced.

BTW - where's your man going to be seen now?
1st Lisa on Today giving him a hard time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkz0n3mmkus

And now that prick O'Keefe on Sunrise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU52zYJs2O4

4.39 if you cant watch the whole thing.

Seems even the "FLUFF" is getting annoyed at being taken for fools.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0jkEIwuw4

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0jkEIwuw4

POINT????

RELEVANCE?????

smithy

1/ Carbon tax
2/ IR laws
3/ resources tax
4/ red tape overload -
Quote:

..........Mr Liu said the regulatory framework, particularly around environmental approvals, had shifted from beneath him since his company first bought into the Watermark coal project near Gunnedah, NSW, five years ago. Advertisement “From our own perspective the regulatory environment is different today than it was when Shenhua first invested in the Watermark project in 2008,” he said. Chief among Chinese investors’ concerns have been the introduction of the mining and carbon taxes, and its perception that Chinese investors are discriminated against by the Foreign Investment Review Board..............

http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/too-much-red-tape-chinese-investor-says-20130423-2ibjn.html

Sprint

1/ Carbon tax - 300 of our largest polluting companies, hardly small business & hardly the bulk of Businesses Australia wide.

2/ IR laws - Which ones specificly? or is it all of them, Tony doesn't seem to think there's a problem, his already indicated NO CHANGES to IR until 2016 & he will release detail before an election to seek mandate.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_timid_ir_strategy_iv0PXSwjufLQBNRRrRB7KJ


3/ resources tax - So do you want your cake or do you want to eat it?
You bitch & moan it hasn't collected enough revenue & then you bitch & moan it exists.
Again as with your carbon tax bollocks, effects extremely large businesses not the bulk of the economy which is small to medium businesses.


4/ red tape overload - examples or another "motherhood" statement

And frankly if we want to make sure our ground water is not polluted by Chinese miners we damn well will.
Where's the "Aussie First" mantra we hear when the topics selling farmland & the likes.

The biggest burden on business for red tape compliance is GST and Income tax.

The other annoying ones is Payroll tax that has to be in on the 7th.  A tax on jobs.  A state tax!  Not sure how Abbott will fix that.

The rest is pretty meh and a part of conducting a business.  I say Abbott is full of it once the business groups came out and supported Rudds movement to an ETS sooner so he needs a new pitch.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:01pm: You do yourself no favours by resorting to semantics to excuse ineptness. Buy yourself a dictionary: this isn't semantics. This is facts. ;D Maqqa said "But saying that Indonesia will invade Australia based on turn back the boat policies is really really positive?" Another lie from Maqqa. No semantics:  a fact.

Pay for some lessons in grammar and correct use of the English language..... peccahead

You really are thick....

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 10:25am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 10:18am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:47pm: same 'feelgood' motherhood statements the left always make. they say what people want to hear. Then don't deliver. They are the fairy tale party STOP THE BOATS AXE THE TAX Thoughts? Howard stopped the boats. Rudd started them. I agree with howard. the alp has imposed many new burdens on aussie busionesses, the tax on air being one. how much tax did you pay for the air you breathed whilst writing that claptrap? if you didn't pay any because you weren't breathing, it would certainly explain the claptrap.

Not sure which is the best name for you....Jack Sh1t or Jackass....both suit you down to the ground.....?........you're a thick fvcker !

Verge wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 2:56pm:

The biggest burden on business for red tape compliance is GST and Income tax. The other annoying ones is Payroll tax that has to be in on the 7th.  A tax on jobs.  A state tax!  Not sure how Abbott will fix that. The rest is pretty meh and a part of conducting a business.  I say Abbott is full of it once the business groups came out and supported Rudds movement to an ETS sooner so he needs a new pitch.

gst isn't much of a problem. and income tax has to be considered an immutable part of emplying people.  payroll tax s iniquitous.