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Message started by progressiveslol on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm

Title: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JYHNX8pdo

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by gandalf on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:04am
We already know they were going way below the safe approach speed.

The vast majority of air disasters are pilot error - so its a pretty safe bet they buggered up, the only question is how.

Add to that the captain initially told everyone to stay put. Inexplicably.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:03am

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm:
hurrhurrvideohurrhurr


Oh, I get it.  It's supposed to be funny cause they're Asian, right? Is everyone on this board a motherf*cking racist or is it just something you people do for special occasions?

Edit: KTVU (The TV station that aired the racist bullshit in the first place) is backpedaling from their racist bullshit by trying to blame the NTSB, which is utter bullshit as the NTSB NEVER releases the names of pilots until after the accident investigation is completed.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by JC Denton on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:44am
im so glad we've got a censorious american here to sit around telling us about how racist we all are. i'm glad the united states has felt the need to export its pathological political correctness (which eventually leads to slow death by mass immigration) to the entire world.




yankee go home - take your racial grievance industry, overbearing sanctimony and jewish ethnic lobby with you.

we've had our fill of whining yanks
its time to make em leave
lets kick their pity fishing butts
back to wash d.c.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 14th, 2013 at 5:30am

JC Denton wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:44am:
yankee go home - take your racial grievance industry, overbearing sanctimony and jewish ethnic lobby with you.


Take andrei with you

SOB


Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by pansi1951 on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:31am
The funny part is that the news reader read those names thinking they were the actual names of the cabin crew, seriously.....with a straight face, didn't pick up on it, that's the price the tv networks pay for thinking youtube is a reliable source of information.

Doesn't anyone see the funny side? I love pranks!

The apology.....these names were incorrect lol!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_IPh1Gm50k

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:56am

JC Denton wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:44am:
im so glad we've got a censorious american here to sit around telling us about how racist we all are. i'm glad the united states has felt the need to export its pathological political correctness (which eventually leads to slow death by mass immigration) to the entire world.


I'm so glad we've got a racist Australian here to sit around telling us how politically correct we all are for not being racists. I'm glad Australia has felt the need to export its pathological racism (which will eventually lead to slow death by...

Oh, f*ck, I can't finish that with a straight face.  Are you serious, JC?  You're basically saying that it's perfectly fine to be a racist asshole. I'd like some clarification on that. Are you saying racism is ok, yes or no? If yes, then explain why you think it is acceptable to discriminate against others based on race. If no, just shut the f*ck up already.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 14th, 2013 at 7:02am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:31am:
The funny part is that the news reader read those names thinking they were the actual names of the cabin crew, seriously.....with a straight face, didn't pick up on it, that's the price the tv networks pay for thinking youtube is a reliable source of information.


It wasn't YouTube that KTUV got their information from. Apparently it was some intern at the NTSB. Still doesn't absolve KTUV for their screw up in actually reporting something that was obviously false. After all, those names went through the news show's producer, their entire line production staff, their head writer and all their writing staff, the guy that input the names into the teleprompter, and the smiling idiot sitting behind the desk in front of the cameras and not a single one of them stopped and thought "There's something fishy going on here".

That's an indication that everyone involved with that news show is weapons-grade retarded.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:02am

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:03am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm:
hurrhurrvideohurrhurr


Oh, I get it.  It's supposed to be funny cause they're Asian, right? Is everyone on this board a motherf*cking racist or is it just something you people do for special occasions?

Edit: KTVU (The TV station that aired the racist bullshit in the first place) is backpedaling from their racist bullshit by trying to blame the NTSB, which is utter bullshit as the NTSB NEVER releases the names of pilots until after the accident investigation is completed.

No wonder your cuntry is fked and turning into a legislation by dictator police state. Its full of morons and im not talking the dummy behind the camera, im talkin PC morons.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by ian on Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:54am

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:56am:

Oh, f*ck, I can't finish that with a straight face.  Are you serious, JC?  You're basically saying that it's perfectly fine to be a racist asshole. I'd like some clarification on that. Are you saying racism is ok, yes or no? If yes, then explain why you think it is acceptable to discriminate against others based on race. If no, just shut the f*ck up already.

Get a life. Everyone is racist, including you. There was nothing malicious in finding that funny. You PC people are so up yourselves.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Alinta on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:18pm

ian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:54am:

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:56am:

Oh, f*ck, I can't finish that with a straight face.  Are you serious, JC?  You're basically saying that it's perfectly fine to be a racist asshole. I'd like some clarification on that. Are you saying racism is ok, yes or no? If yes, then explain why you think it is acceptable to discriminate against others based on race. If no, just shut the f*ck up already.

Get a life. Everyone is racist, including you. There was nothing malicious in finding that funny. You PC people are so up yourselves.


For me (and perhaps many), the humor is actually in the serious and straight faced delivery by the news presenter.........

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:34pm
I love the bullshit rationalizing you people go through just so you don't have to admit to yourselves that you're smacking racists. At least Ian flat out admits he's a racist, but he ruins it with the "everyone is racist" bullshit generalization. No, as a matter of fact not everyone is a racist. Just ignotant assholes are, and you people can call it "PC" till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make being a racist asshole any less disgusting of a personality flaw.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:24pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:31am:
The funny part is that the news reader read those names thinking they were the actual names of the cabin crew, seriously.....with a straight face, didn't pick up on it, that's the price the tv networks pay for thinking youtube is a reliable source of information.

Doesn't anyone see the funny side? I love pranks!

The apology.....these names were incorrect lol!!!








Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:33pm

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:34pm:
I love the bullshit rationalizing you people go through just so you don't have to admit to yourselves that you're smacking racists. At least Ian flat out admits he's a racist, but he ruins it with the "everyone is racist" bullshit generalization. No, as a matter of fact not everyone is a racist. Just ignotant assholes are, and you people can call it "PC" till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make being a racist asshole any less disgusting of a personality flaw.

Who cares what a fked up American who lets their country turn into a dictatorship police state and worships the political party doing it.

PC morons are not welcome in Australia and we got rid of our PM that was like your leader, so don't expect your PC comments to mean jack around here.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by gandalf on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:33pm
haha I just saw the video.

Chill out Chard, its funny.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by ian on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:35pm

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:34pm:
I love the bullshit rationalizing you people go through just so you don't have to admit to yourselves that you're smacking racists. At least Ian flat out admits he's a racist, but he ruins it with the "everyone is racist" bullshit generalization. No, as a matter of fact not everyone is a racist. Just ignotant assholes are, and you people can call it "PC" till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make being a racist asshole any less disgusting of a personality flaw.

The big mistake you are making is confusing racism with predujice. Suggest you look up the meanings first.


Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:36pm

Alinta wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:54am:

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:56am:

Oh, f*ck, I can't finish that with a straight face.  Are you serious, JC?  You're basically saying that it's perfectly fine to be a racist asshole. I'd like some clarification on that. Are you saying racism is ok, yes or no? If yes, then explain why you think it is acceptable to discriminate against others based on race. If no, just shut the f*ck up already.

Get a life. Everyone is racist, including you. There was nothing malicious in finding that funny. You PC people are so up yourselves.


For me (and perhaps many), the humor is actually in the serious and straight faced delivery by the news presenter.........



I don't know how she got past the first name.

Then again, "news" readers aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Amadd on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:04am:
We already know they were going way below the safe approach speed.

The vast majority of air disasters are pilot error - so its a pretty safe bet they buggered up, the only question is how.

Add to that the captain initially told everyone to stay put. Inexplicably.


I wouldn't say that is the case at all for airline pilots. They're well trained and usually do very well in a bad situation.
This disaster seems to be one of those that can be blamed on pilot error. 'Low and slow is no way to go' is pretty basic. Maybe he forgot the size of the aircraft he was flying.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:01pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:33pm:
Who cares what a fked up American who lets their country turn into a dictatorship police state and worships the political party doing it.


What the f*ck does my nationality have to do with anything? Stop making excuses for being a racist bugger already.



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PC morons are not welcome in Australia and we got rid of our PM that was like your leader, so don't expect your PC comments to mean jack around here.


Yes, because not being a racist bugger is "politically correct"... ::)  Dude, just face it, you are a racist. Stop trying to sugar coat it, stop trying to blame others for it, and just admit that you believe you are somehow superior to others simply because of your skin tone. Hell, that would at least be honest. Instead, in true Ausralian fashion, you deny it like a good little crypto-racist.

Have fun at the Klan rally. Try not to get burned cross on your bedsheet.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:05pm

ian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:34pm:
I love the bullshit rationalizing you people go through just so you don't have to admit to yourselves that you're smacking racists. At least Ian flat out admits he's a racist, but he ruins it with the "everyone is racist" bullshit generalization. No, as a matter of fact not everyone is a racist. Just ignotant assholes are, and you people can call it "PC" till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make being a racist asshole any less disgusting of a personality flaw.

The big mistake you are making is confusing racism with predujice. Suggest you look up the meanings first.


Bigotry is bigotry. You can be an obtuse and dishonest person by playing semantics games, but the fact remains it's still bigotry.  The question, which I'm pretty goddamn sure I already know the answer to is "Are you a bigot and why do you believe that sort of behavior is at all justified"?

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:31pm
Take a chill-pill, homie!

Go and see 'Django' and learn what real racism looks like.

I haven't seen a black or Asian standup comic who hasn't traded in on racist jokes. They are funny, and no one is offended except the anal-retentives like someone we know ...

***

I agree with most of the above posts.

Political Correctness has only ever been a one-way discipline in which whites are not given the same protection or consideration.


Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:42pm
I fail to see how it's racist or bigoted. It's simply playing word games with Asiatic sounding names. How is that an example of bigotry? Bigotry means intolerance; so what does intolerance have to do with playing word games? Where is there any intolerance in what was said? It's not as if the presenter said "F*ckin' Gooks are sub-humans" or anything remotely resembling that.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Honky on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:55pm
Who cares if it is raycissss?  It's still funny as Phuoc.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by ian on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:55pm

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:05pm:


Bigotry is bigotry. You can be an obtuse and dishonest person by playing semantics games, but the fact remains it's still bigotry.  The question, which I'm pretty goddamn sure I already know the answer to is "Are you a bigot and why do you believe that sort of behavior is at all justified"?

Im not a bigot, do you know what it means? Making a joke out of peoples names isnt bigotry. Sounds like you got a chip on your shoulder.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by it_is_the_light on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:56pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJY0YVrsm84

Busted! Asiana 214 Crash Hoax & the Magic 5th Window as Proof!

Published on Jul 13, 2013
I just want some logical answers ....Problem is , there probably isn't any ! As i show in this video , The burned Asian plane has 5 windows from the A left , and the Non burned plane has 4 ! How is that ?? 2 different sized planes added with a little photo shop media production im sure !! But why hoax a Crash like this ?? Thats the Question !

https://www.google.com/search?gs_rn=1...

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?um=1&...

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?um=1&...

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Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Jul 14th, 2013 at 4:02pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:42pm:
Bigotry means intolerance...


You've nailed it, Timothy.

Chard is intolerant of a little play on words, which makes him a bigot.

8-)

Chard is a professional Victimhood jockey.

"If yo white ~ you're shite; if yo black ~ you all right".

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by ian on Jul 14th, 2013 at 4:02pm

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

Yes, because not being a racist bugger is "politically correct"... ::)  Dude, just face it, you are a racist. Stop trying to sugar coat it, stop trying to blame others for it, and just admit that you believe you are somehow superior to others simply because of your skin tone. Hell, that would at least be honest. Instead, in true Ausralian fashion, you deny it like a good little crypto-racist.

Have fun at the Klan rally. Try not to get burned cross on your bedsheet.

Being racist does not necassarily mean discriminating because of "skin tone", it means recognising difference between racial and cultural groups. Actively discriminating against others because of skin tone would be called predujice, not racism. Just because you Americans hijacked the term "racism" doesnt mean you use it correctly. 

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by WorldSacred on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:22pm
Sum Ting Wong
Wi Tu Lo
Ho Lee bugger
Bang Ding Ow

How do you get that so wrong that you air it on the news. Never mind the newsreader missing it. The person who made the list would have been in it to try create a laugh. Obviously, someone's job is up for review.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by John Smith on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:27pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny



Indeed, it was.

"Wi Tu Lo"   ;D

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by John Smith on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny



Indeed, it was.

"Wi Tu Lo"   ;D


I liked ....  ho lee bugger  ... what was she thinking reading that? A true professional

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by WorldSacred on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by John Smith on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:53pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.


no one said you had to find it funny ... in fact, I don't remember mentioning you at all.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Soren on Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:26pm

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:56am:

JC Denton wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:44am:
im so glad we've got a censorious american here to sit around telling us about how racist we all are. i'm glad the united states has felt the need to export its pathological political correctness (which eventually leads to slow death by mass immigration) to the entire world.


I'm so glad we've got a racist Australian here to sit around telling us how politically correct we all are for not being racists. I'm glad Australia has felt the need to export its pathological racism (which will eventually lead to slow death by...

Oh, f*ck, I can't finish that with a straight face.  Are you serious, JC?  You're basically saying that it's perfectly fine to be a racist asshole. I'd like some clarification on that. Are you saying racism is ok, yes or no? If yes, then explain why you think it is acceptable to discriminate against others based on race. If no, just shut the f*ck up already.



Some Americans, including you, are so paralysed by the ever-present accusation of racism that you put up on the TV screen and read out on air four OBVIOUSLY joke Chinese names with a straight face. This hoax worked because there are millions of Americans like that TV newsreader and you, Wai So Dim.

Luckily, not all Americans are clowns like you and those TV idiots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr33J3SYQzo

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am

ian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Im not a bigot, do you know what it means? Making a joke out of peoples names isnt bigotry.


When you're making name jokes entirely dependant on their race then it's a racist joke, dumbass. Seriously, how the f*ck do you not get that? Saying the pilot's name is "Sum Ting Wong" is every bit as racist as if the pilot had been black and they called him "Spearchucker Niggerscantfly".

On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?

A pilot, you smacking racist.




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Sounds like you got a chip on your shoulder.


Probably because my black ass grew up listening to white assholes like you constantly say "Ah, it's just a joke" to excuse their bigoted assholery?  Of course you don't get it, you've never had to actually deal with discrimination in any meaningful way. Tell ya what, go live some place where you're an ethnic minority and the bulk of the ethnic majority are racist assholes and then come talk to me about chips on shoulders, son.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Mnemonic on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:50am

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
When you're making name jokes entirely dependant on their race then it's a racist joke, dumbass. Seriously, how the f*ck do you not get that? Saying the pilot's name is "Sum Ting Wong" is every bit as racist as if the pilot had been black and they called him "Spearchucker Niggerscantfly".

On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?

A pilot, you smacking racist.


I think it depends whether a person is offended or not. People tend not to use "weird names" as insults in Australia because they just don't work in Australia. A person has to be an idiot to think weird names are insulting in Australia. Maybe that's not the case in America. Maybe weird names do hurt in America. But in Australia they are dumb and stupid. Your potential victim will ask you to think of a better insult.

You might have a little more success making fun of a person's educational background, like bragging about your university degree and belittling someone for not having one or for being a tradesperson. But then again, not everyone cares if you have a university degree or not, so the "insult" may fall on deaf ears. You might also have others in the crowd who don't have university degrees telling you to f**k off for being a snob. Australians don't like being patronised.

Race relations in Australia is not like it is in the USA. In fact, the most racist thing you can do to someone is to tell them they are not Australian, they do not belong here and to get a passport, get on a boat and f**k off back to their "own country." It's not a question of there not being racism in Australia, but the fact that racism is completely different here to what you have in the USA. We are a nation of immigrants, so we think of it in terms of immigration. Skin colour and linguistically influenced names are just a way of identifying a person's ancestry and cultural background.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
Probably because my black ass grew up listening to white assholes like you constantly say "Ah, it's just a joke" to excuse their bigoted assholery?  Of course you don't get it, you've never had to actually deal with discrimination in any meaningful way. Tell ya what, go live some place where you're an ethnic minority and the bulk of the ethnic majority are racist assholes and then come talk to me about chips on shoulders, son.


If racism is about power, domination, bullying and persecution, don't you think the insults have to hurt?

Just try making fun of an Asian in Australia, call him Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo or Ho Lee bugger. He'll laugh at you. Just try. He'd think you're an idiot.

The same tricks people use in the USA don't work in Australia. It's a totally different way of thinking. :D

You need to learn how to be racist the Australian way before you can understand why we think a bunch of weird names isn't racist, because to us, something else is racist and it isn't that.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:50am:
I think it depends whether a person is offended or not.


Can we not engage in bullshit equivocations?  I can make the exact same argument as that in favor of drunk driving because not every drunk driver kills someone.



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People tend not to use "weird names" as insults in Australia because they just don't work in Australia. A person has to be an idiot to think weird names are insulting in Australia.


Weird names and making names based on specifically on someone's race are two totally different things. One is making up random words and the other involves being a racist c*nt.



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Maybe that's not the case in America. Maybe weird names do hurt in America. But in Australia they are dumb and stupid. Your potential victim will ask you to think of a better insult.


Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.  So of course it's easy for you to dismiss this as a joke, because racism is an abstract concept for you.  For me it's something I've lived with constantly for 36 goddamn years.



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Australians don't like being patronised.


Then maybe you guys need to stop being oblivious dumbasses so other people don't feel the need to be patronizing? Seriously, when someone who has been the victim racism tells you something is racist and you respond by going "hurr hurr, it's just a joke", then you deserve to be patronized since you're obviously to stupid to understand you're being an offensive tw*t.



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Race relations in Australia is not like it is in the USA. In fact, the most racist thing you can do to someone is to tell them they are not Australian, they do not belong here and to get a passport, get on a boat and f**k off back to their "own country."


Which is why I find it hilarious to hear an Australian try to tell me they have any goddamn idea of what constitutes racism. Who's a better judge of that, someone who has never experienced meaningful racism or someone that has? 

Christ, do I need to draw cartoons to get this point across?



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We are a nation of immigrants, so we think of it in terms of immigration.


So is the United States. What is your point?



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Skin colour and linguistically influenced names are just a way of identifying a person's ancestry and cultural background.[quote]

Oh, so you're saying those same determinators never get used for the basis of racial slurs?  I'll be sure to tell greet the next Aboriginal I meet with "Hey there, Abo.  What?  It's cool, some random white boy told me it was cool".


[quote]If racism is about power, domination, bullying and persecution, don't you think the insults have to hurt?


Doesn't matter if it hurts or not, the simple fact is it's still racism.  Just because a racist joke is stupid and doesn't get a laugh doesn't make it not racist.



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You need to learn how to be racist the Australian way before you can understand why we think a bunch of weird names isn't racist, because to us, something else is racist and it isn't that.


Why do I need to learn how you guys do racism when you've been doing your level best to ape the US?  Massively depopulate the indiginous people, chuck them on reservations and marginalize them in your society?  We did that to American Indians and you guys did it to the Aborigines. Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes?  We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese. The only thing you haven't tried to ape is slavery, which is about the only positive thing I can say for Australia's history with racism.

So here's the deal, unless you're actually part of a minority and have suffered from racist f*cks, you do not know what you are talking about and should shut the f*ck up.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Soren on Jul 15th, 2013 at 7:58am

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:

ian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Im not a bigot, do you know what it means? Making a joke out of peoples names isnt bigotry.


When you're making name jokes entirely dependant on their race then it's a racist joke, dumbass. Seriously, how the f*ck do you not get that? Saying the pilot's name is "Sum Ting Wong" is every bit as racist as if the pilot had been black and they called him "Spearchucker Niggerscantfly".

On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?

A pilot, you smacking racist.




That's a funny joke. It works like most jokes - you don't expect the punchline - a pilot!
Good one.




Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Soren on Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:17am

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes?  We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese.



There are more Blacks and Hispanics in and Lebanese and Aborigines  in prison than their proportion of the wider population would indicate.
These are people convicted, in Australia and the US where conviction rates are pretty low, what with cautions, suspended sentences, early releases and so forth.

So the stereotypes are not baseless.

Secondly, if Blacks and Hispanics and Lebanese and Abrigines go to school, do their homework, speak properly, don't get into the mentality BS and apply themselves in useful occupations according to their talents, they become Secretaries of State, lawyers, doctors, Senators, chairmen of banks etc.
It's not magic, it's not white conspiracy. 

If you guys focused on being good at something useful rather than excel at topping the prison population contest, you'd get a lot more respect and would evidently not be discriminated against. Yo brotherz are in jail but you call yourselves the victims?! It's a lazy reflex. What do you call the people who were bashed, robbed, raped, killed by convicted criminals?
Pilots?

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Mnemonic on Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:28am

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Weird names and making names based on specifically on someone's race are two totally different things. One is making up random words and the other involves being a racist c*nt.


That's actually what I was talking about: making names based on someone's cultural background.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.  So of course it's easy for you to dismiss this as a joke, because racism is an abstract concept for you.


I don't normally mention this, but because you asked, no I am not white.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
For me it's something I've lived with constantly for 36 goddamn years.


You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia. Like I said, if you were to experience racism in Australia, it would be unlikely to involve making names based on someone's cultural background because it would be silly and wouldn't be an effective insult. I don't call it being racist. I call it being silly.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Which is why I find it hilarious to hear an Australian try to tell me they have any goddamn idea of what constitutes racism. Who's a better judge of that, someone who has never experienced meaningful racism or someone that has?

Christ, do I need to draw cartoons to get this point across?


Race and racism are social constructs, the meaning of which comes from your own personal experience of them. You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia, so your idea of "racism" is shaped by your experience in the USA. You're an expert on American racism, but not on Australian racism.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
So is the United States. What is your point?


Race relations in Australia has, for most of Australia's history, mostly been an immigration issue more than anything else.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Oh, so you're saying those same determinators never get used for the basis of racial slurs?  I'll be sure to tell greet the next Aboriginal I meet with "Hey there, Abo.  What?  It's cool, some random white boy told me it was cool".


Anyone who wants to be really insulting wouldn't try to use them as an insult. People may have tried to use "racial slurs" to make fun of people in primary school. Some of it may continue in high school, but slowly, as people get older and more mature, they realise how crude and silly these "racial slurs" are. It's like toilet humour, talking about urine, faeces and making jokes about farting and sex. When you're a kid, that stuff is funny, but you grow out of that stuff. When you get to secondary school, sex, farting and bodily functions become a serious business. As you go through puberty you stop thinking of them as a joke. You also stop thinking that making weird names out of someone else's language is funny. By the time people get to university, most of them have stopped doing it.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Doesn't matter if it hurts or not, the simple fact is it's still racism.  Just because a racist joke is stupid and doesn't get a laugh doesn't make it not racist.


I don't consider it "racism" because I always thought "racism" had to be a "threat." If someone makes a stupid joke, they aren't a threat. They aren't a threat because most mature adults are not stupid enough to try to use the "joke" as an insult. Someone may say something stupid, but their peers who are mature adults are not going to join in because they are intelligent enough not to support it even if they were racist. If they really wanted to be insulting and hostile and express their "racism," they would find other ways to express it.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Why do I need to learn how you guys do racism when you've been doing your level best to ape the US?  Massively depopulate the indiginous people, chuck them on reservations and marginalize them in your society?  We did that to American Indians and you guys did it to the Aborigines.


It looks like you aren't saints either. Our two countries are even. If you have experienced racism your whole life in the USA, why point the finger at Australia? It seems to me that every country that has ever tried developing a multi-ethnic community deals with the problem in its own way.


Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes?  We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese.


Yes we do have stereotypes about Lebanese people. There are stereotypes, but using weird names as insults to demean people based on their language isn't one of them.

I also haven't heard it being used as a joke here in Australia for a very, very long time. The fact that it happened in the USA means that for now, Australia is off the hook. :D

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:54am

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?


Denzel Washington.  8-)





Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:10am
Chard...


Quote:
Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.


You can't be serious.

The very first job I got in Australia was cleaning toilets in a factory ~ and because I was uniquely an Englishman, the Southern European ethnics took particular delight in trying to humiliate me.

One Italian's big moment of the day was to smear his poo across the wall of his cubicle EACH and every morning before I would arrive with my mop and bucket. I never complained.

One day I put in a requisition order for a hose with a nozzle. This piqued the Australian boss's curiosity when the storeman required his signature.

The boss left the office complex and came to see me. That's when I was forced to explain myself. He couldn't believe I'd kept quiet about it.

Consequence:

The Italian was sacked.
They hired a new cleaner.
I was moved over to assist in the store room.

And that's just one story of many.

So stop thinking yo black ass got a monopoly on sob-stories.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by WorldSacred on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:20pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.


no one said you had to find it funny ... in fact, I don't remember mentioning you at all.


Well, excccUUUUsse me!

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by John Smith on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:24pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.


no one said you had to find it funny ... in fact, I don't remember mentioning you at all.


Well, excccUUUUsse me!


you are excused

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by John Smith on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:26pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:10am:
Chard...


Quote:
Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.


You can't be serious.

The very first job I got in Australia was cleaning toilets in a factory ~ and because I was uniquely an Englishman, the Southern European ethnics took particular delight in trying to humiliate me.

One Italian's big moment of the day was to smear his poo across the wall of his cubicle EACH and every morning before I would arrive with my mop and bucket. I never complained.

One day I put in a requisition order for a hose with a nozzle. This piqued the Australian boss's curiosity when the storeman required his signature.

The boss left the office complex and came to see me. That's when I was forced to explain myself. He couldn't believe I'd kept quiet about it.

Consequence:

The Italian was sacked.
They hired a new cleaner.
I was moved over to assist in the store room.

And that's just one story of many.

So stop thinking yo black ass got a monopoly on sob-stories.


so that's why you are racist against Italians.


Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by ian on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:16pm

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:

When you're making name jokes entirely dependant on their race then it's a racist joke, dumbass. Seriously, how the f*ck do you not get that? Saying the pilot's name is "Sum Ting Wong" is every bit as racist as if the pilot had been black and they called him "Spearchucker Niggerscantfly".

On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?

A pilot, you smacking racist.




Probably because my black ass grew up listening to white assholes like you constantly say "Ah, it's just a joke" to excuse their bigoted assholery?  Of course you don't get it, you've never had to actually deal with discrimination in any meaningful way. Tell ya what, go live some place where you're an ethnic minority and the bulk of the ethnic majority are racist assholes and then come talk to me about chips on shoulders, son.

Get over yourself, dumbass. You have no idea of my life experience or my experience with racism. You are just being the stereotypical kneejerk angry black man.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by ian on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:24pm
How to speak Chinese


That's not right...
Sum Ting Wong
Are you harboring a fugitive?...
Hu Yu Hai Ding?
See me ASAP...
Kum Hia Nao
Stupid Man...
Dum Gai
Small Horse...
Tai Ni Po Ni
Did you go to the beach?...
Wai Yu So Tan?
I bumped into a coffee table...
Ai Bang Mai Ni
I think you need a face lift...
Chin Tu Fat
It's very dark in here...
Wai So Dim?
I thought you were on a diet...
Wai Yu Mun Ching?
This is a tow away zone...
No Pah King
Our meeting is scheduled for next week...
Wai Yu Kum Nao?
Staying out of sight...
Lei Ying Lo
He's cleaning his automobile...
Wa Shing Ka
Your body odor is offensive...
Yu Stin Ki Pu

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Mnemonic on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:10am:
The very first job I got in Australia was cleaning toilets in a factory ~ and because I was uniquely an Englishman, the Southern European ethnics took particular delight in trying to humiliate me.

One Italian's big moment of the day was to smear his poo across the wall of his cubicle EACH and every morning before I would arrive with my mop and bucket. I never complained.

One day I put in a requisition order for a hose with a nozzle. This piqued the Australian boss's curiosity when the storeman required his signature.

The boss left the office complex and came to see me. That's when I was forced to explain myself. He couldn't believe I'd kept quiet about it.

...................

And that's just one story of many.

So stop thinking yo black ass got a monopoly on sob-stories.


Lol. It's white vs white!!!

My "racist" father says nasty things about white people from time to time. Those racist rants on public transport I have seen posted on YouTube recently are getting interesting. I would hate to see my father, a first-generation, foreign-born immigrant, get into an altercation with those xenophobes. That would be embarrassing. I wonder what he'll say. I hope I'm miles away when it happens. I wouldn't want to be in the middle of that storm.

I think Charles Teo was right. Racism isn't just a problem for white people, but ethnic minorities as well. If white people have to stop being racist, ethnic minorities have to stop being racist as well.

I think what Chard is misunderstanding here is that white people everywhere are always the dominant group. I think the "Battle of Brisbane" riots showed that not all whites are equal and white people don't even always respect each other, even if they speak the same language. The white American soldiers that landed in Australia during World War II were condescending and patronising towards the white Australian soldiers. I think the white Australian soldiers were so annoyed at being treated like second-class citizens in their own country that they started being friendly toward the African American soldiers. They even allowed their women to hang around them. I suppose their logic was, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and fraternising with African American soldiers was a way of "sticking it to the white Americans."

I think the difference between white Americans and white Australians was that the white Americans were part of a superpower nation. From that they developed a big ego that led to their domination over black Americans. Because white Australians were part of a tiny, insignificant nation of only several million and had never had any big influence on the world, they didn't have the same "big ego" as white Americans. Unlike white Americans, they didn't treat other ethnic groups as inferior but treated them as equals. They may have been xenophobic, but xenophobia is not the same as treating other groups as subhuman or inferior.

The original intention was for Australia to be a "white paradise." Until the 1970s, Australia was one of the whitest and most "British" (by ancestry) nations in the world. However, the progressive faction in politics decided that the White Australia Policy just couldn't continue. I'm not sure if it was the "populate or perish" argument or because of the number of non-British people already living in Australia, married to white spouses or who were born here and couldn't be deported.




Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Soren on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:49pm
Asiana to sue over bogus pilot names gaffe

"We are planning legal actions against KTVU that aired the report as well as the NTSB that confirmed the names," the air carrier's spokesman said in a statement.

Mr Fah Kin Soo Yu?

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Mnemonic on Jul 15th, 2013 at 11:12pm

ian wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:24pm:
How to speak Chinese


That's not right...
Sum Ting Wong
Are you harboring a fugitive?...
Hu Yu Hai Ding?
See me ASAP...
Kum Hia Nao
Stupid Man...
Dum Gai
Small Horse...
Tai Ni Po Ni
Did you go to the beach?...
Wai Yu So Tan?
I bumped into a coffee table...
Ai Bang Mai Ni
I think you need a face lift...
Chin Tu Fat
It's very dark in here...
Wai So Dim?
I thought you were on a diet...
Wai Yu Mun Ching?
This is a tow away zone...
No Pah King
Our meeting is scheduled for next week...
Wai Yu Kum Nao?
Staying out of sight...
Lei Ying Lo
He's cleaning his automobile...
Wa Shing Ka
Your body odor is offensive...
Yu Stin Ki Pu


For a moment there I thought you were really speaking Mandarin. ;D

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:28am

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
Probably because my black ass grew up listening to white assholes like you constantly say "Ah, it's just a joke" to excuse their bigoted assholery? 


Isn't it time you got yo black ass out of that Victimhood Rut that keeps you a prisoner-without-shackles because of yo endless self-pity about being black?

Don't you understand that we ALL take turns being black or white as we progress through the centuries, dying, and then being born again to new parents?

If yo think the death of your current self means no more awakening to a new consciousness as somebody's baby ~ or one of the animals ~ then ah's got nooz fo yo black ass!

So stop yo moanin', homie! It'll be yo turn to be a white ass soon 'nuff.

WORD, dog!

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:41am
Speaking of reverse racism ...

Where were all these black protesters about this guy getting off the shooting of a black boy ~ when OJSimpson was found Not Guilty?

Huh?

Like to answer that one, Mr Chard?

Where did America's blacks hold their street protests when OJSimpson walked free?

Oh, but wait a moment. That was a Black Guy being released, wasn't it? So everything's cool, man.



Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Mnemonic on Jul 21st, 2013 at 4:36pm
No further comment from Chard for a whole week. Is he going to come back? :D

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Jul 21st, 2013 at 4:44pm

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 4:36pm:
No further comment from Chard for a whole week. Is he going to come back? :D


Yeah!!

And where were the black protesters when those four black cops beat the livin' shėt out of that honkey Rodney King?

HUH?!

We know you're hiding in that dumpster, Chard! 

Come out and answer these questions!

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:20am

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:28am:
That's actually what I was talking about: making names based on someone's cultural background.


Yes, making insulting names based race. It's still racism.



Quote:
I don't normally mention this, but because you asked, no I am not white.


Then my next question is have you been the target of racism?  If no, good for you, ya lucked out.  If yes, then why the f*ck are you arguing in favor of racism?



Quote:
You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia. Like I said, if you were to experience racism in Australia, it would be unlikely to involve making names based on someone's cultural background because it would be silly and wouldn't be an effective insult. I don't call it being racist. I call it being silly.


Doesn't matter what you call it. It's still racist. Doesn't matter if you get the meaning or not, the racism is still there. At that point all it comes down to is the intent behind the usage, and if you think the NTSB Intern that gave those names to the TV station was just wanting to play a friendly joke then I submit that you are out of your smacking mind.


Quote:
Race and racism are social constructs, the meaning of which comes from your own personal experience of them. You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia, so your idea of "racism" is shaped by your experience in the USA. You're an expert on American racism, but not on Australian racism.


You don't have to be from a country to understand it's culture, and one would think you don't have to be directly exposed to racism in order to get that it's smacking wrong. Seriously, how hard is this to understand?



Quote:
Race relations in Australia has, for most of Australia's history, mostly been an immigration issue more than anything else.


Yeah, the US has the exact same thing with racism against immigrants. You're not in any way different from the US in that regard.



Quote:
Anyone who wants to be really insulting wouldn't try to use them as an insult. People may have tried to use "racial slurs" to make fun of people in primary school. Some of it may continue in high school, but slowly, as people get older and more mature, they realize how crude and silly these "racial slurs" are. It's like toilet humour, talking about urine, faeces and making jokes about farting and sex. When you're a kid, that stuff is funny, but you grow out of that stuff. When you get to secondary school, sex, farting and bodily functions become a serious business. As you go through puberty you stop thinking of them as a joke. You also stop thinking that making weird names out of someone else's language is funny. By the time people get to university, most of them have stopped doing it.


See, you would have had a point if you'd stopped before you said "but you grow out of it". I can point our at least half a dozen people in just this thread that clearly haven't grown up yet if what you say is true.



Quote:
I don't consider it "racism" because I always thought "racism" had to be a "threat." If someone makes a stupid joke, they aren't a threat. They aren't a threat because most mature adults are not stupid enough to try to use the "joke" as an insult. Someone may say something stupid, but their peers who are mature adults are not going to join in because they are intelligent enough not to support it even if they were racist. If they really wanted to be insulting and hostile and express their "racism," they would find other ways to express it.


When that joking becomes such an ingrained part of certain parts of your culture then it becomes a threat to those who aren't part of that culture. It goes from joking to actually seeing those other people as being less than your own group, which in turn leads to all manner of discrimination and bigoted bullf*ckery.




Quote:
It looks like you aren't saints either. Our two countries are even. If you have experienced racism your whole life in the USA, why point the finger at Australia? It seems to me that every country that has ever tried developing a multi-ethnic community deals with the problem in its own way.


Please point out where I've ever stated the US is superior in regards to racism?  That such happens pretty much anytime you have a multi-ethnic culture does not make it right. Appealing to school yard excuses of "well they're doing it to" does not make it right. It's still bigotry and it's still unjustifiable bullshit.



Quote:
Yes we do have stereotypes about Lebanese people. There are stereotypes, but using weird names as insults to demean people based on their language isn't one of them.


So you're saying your country does not have a derogatory term for Lebanese immigrants or Australian of Lebanese ancestry?  I'll be sure to ask the next "Lebo" I meet about that...



Quote:
I also haven't heard it being used as a joke here in Australia for a very, very long time. The fact that it happened in the USA means that for now, Australia is off the hook. :D


Have you actually sat down and read this thread? How about any of the many, many threads involving immigration? If the membership of this board is any indication, Australia has a long way to go and yet again finds itself aping the US.

But hey, nice tu quoque you got there. You do know that "Well, they're doing it too" is never a valid excuse, right?

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:23am

ian wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
Get over yourself, dumbass. You have no idea of my life experience or my experience with racism. You are just being the stereotypical kneejerk angry black man.


Then by all means, tell me your tale of dealing with racism.  Tell me all about how you've had to work harder than those around you and get paid less for it because of your skin tone. Tell me all about the times you've been called slurs or even assaulted because of your skin tone.

If you don't have such tales to tell then I'd advise you to shut the f*ck up.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Chard on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:28am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:41am:
Where were all these black protesters about this guy getting off the shooting of a black boy


No one really bothered to protest the Zimmerman verdict simply because most of us understood that the case against him for Second Degree Murder was bullshit.  Also, most of us understand perfectly well that Zimmerman wasn't any whiter than I am.



Quote:
~ when OJSimpson was found Not Guilty?


Why would blacks protest a black man being found not guilty?  I know you're a racist idiot and you probably couldn't find your own ass if I duct taped your hands to it, but could you at least attempt to be rational about it?

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by True Colours on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:22am

Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:17am:

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes?  We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese.



There are more Blacks and Hispanics in and Lebanese and Aborigines  in prison than their proportion of the wider population would indicate.
These are people convicted, in Australia and the US where conviction rates are pretty low, what with cautions, suspended sentences, early releases and so forth.

So the stereotypes are not baseless.

Secondly, if Blacks and Hispanics and Lebanese and Abrigines go to school, do their homework, speak properly, don't get into the mentality BS and apply themselves in useful occupations according to their talents, they become Secretaries of State, lawyers, doctors, Senators, chairmen of banks etc.
It's not magic, it's not white conspiracy. 

If you guys focused on being good at something useful rather than excel at topping the prison population contest, you'd get a lot more respect and would evidently not be discriminated against. Yo brotherz are in jail but you call yourselves the victims?! It's a lazy reflex. What do you call the people who were bashed, robbed, raped, killed by convicted criminals?
Pilots?


Yes they should all get jobs. But how do you get a job if you cant even get a taxi?


Aboriginal actors refused taxis four times before being racially abused

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/aboriginal-actors-refused-taxis-four-times-before-being-racially-abused/story-e6frfkp9-1226633724677

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:43am
Spot on with your comments, Soren.

The Abos, the Pacific Islanders, and the Muslims who keep 'doing crime' ~ create two victims.

The first are their prey, and the second are those good people in their community who must suffer the ignominy of belonging to ethnic communities that have a well-documented reputation for crime and anti-social behaviour.

For the first few years after arriving in Australia I copped heaps in the workplace about the notorious 'English shop stewards' and how they were a destructive force in holding back progress, and for being little tin Caesars in the workplace.

The Greeks were particularly keen to embarrass me for these reasons. And then within 10 years, every little tin pot strutting little Union Delegate arsehole in my workplace was a ... Greek. Little bantam cocks with their heads filled with self-importance.

Ask any taxi driver in Sydney what's the problem with picking up Abos, and they'll tell you they're more afraid of vomit on the seat than them doing a runner.



 

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by True Colours on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:42am

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:43am:
Ask any taxi driver in Sydney what's the problem with picking up Abos, and they'll tell you they're more afraid of vomit on the seat than them doing a runner.

 


I drove taxis in Melbourne back when I was studying. All the runners, all the drunks, and all the people who would argue/haggle over fares were white.

The Aboriginals were the best customers I had - friendly and well-behaved.


They didn't stink either - which is more than I can say for a some of the white customers I had.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by ian on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:54am

Chard wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:23am:

ian wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
Get over yourself, dumbass. You have no idea of my life experience or my experience with racism. You are just being the stereotypical kneejerk angry black man.


Then by all means, tell me your tale of dealing with racism.  Tell me all about how you've had to work harder than those around you and get paid less for it because of your skin tone. Tell me all about the times you've been called slurs or even assaulted because of your skin tone.

If you don't have such tales to tell then I'd advise you to shut the f*ck up.

I dont have to tell you anything, I have nothing to defend. But as it turns out I have been assaulted (well, attempted assault) and called slurs because of my skin tone. Many, many times, more times than I can remember, quite often on a daily basis and accompanied by the word c*nt, and dog. Like I said, you have no idea of my life experience. You also have no idea about australia or australians.  You really need to get over yourself.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by BigOl64 on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:07am

Chard wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:23am:
Then by all means, tell me your tale of dealing with racism.  Tell me all about how you've had to work harder than those around you and get paid less for it because of your skin tone. Tell me all about the times you've been called slurs or even assaulted because of your skin tone.

If you don't have such tales to tell then I'd advise you to shut the f*ck up.



Every race has variations of racists, from basic tribalism (belonging to a goup or ethnicity) to out and out haters. Some people are just arseholes.


Damn Ive been called some nasty racists slurs as I have walked down the street (enen as an adult)and I have had six shades of sh1t knocked out of me when I was a kid, all because I was white. I see those same kids as grown ups, thier lives are sh1t and they're raving alchoholics and I just smile.


Like I said some people are just arseholes, depends if your are on the receiving end or not.




Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by muso on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:31am

Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 7:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:31am:
The funny part is that the news reader read those names thinking they were the actual names of the cabin crew, seriously.....with a straight face, didn't pick up on it, that's the price the tv networks pay for thinking youtube is a reliable source of information.


It wasn't YouTube that KTUV got their information from. Apparently it was some intern at the NTSB. Still doesn't absolve KTUV for their screw up in actually reporting something that was obviously false. After all, those names went through the news show's producer, their entire line production staff, their head writer and all their writing staff, the guy that input the names into the teleprompter, and the smiling idiot sitting behind the desk in front of the cameras and not a single one of them stopped and thought "There's something fishy going on here".

That's an indication that everyone involved with that news show is weapons-grade retarded.


Well, the joke is on the news presenters. That side of it is funny.  I know a few Asian people, and I doubt if any of them would be offended. It's a play on language, not racial characteristics. I guess it depends on intent.

The other aspect is that it's cruel to the people who lost loved ones on that flight.


One Indonesian guy I know who speaks perfect English actually sent me a joke which you might find offensive. It was having a go at the Vietnamese accent. I didn't read it as racist. I'll see if I can find the joke online.


Quote:
(ring tine)

Room Service (RS): "Morrin. Roon sirbees."

Guest (G): "Sorry, I thought I dialed room-service."

RS: "Rye..Roon sirbees..morrin! Jewish to oddor sunteen??"

G: "Uh..yes..I'd like some bacon and eggs."

RS: "Ow July den?"

G: "What??"

RS: "Ow July den?...pryed, boyud, poochd?"

G: "Oh, the eggs! How do I like them? Sorry, scrambled please."

RS: "Ow July dee baykem? Crease?"

G: "Crisp will be fine."

RS: "Hokay. An Sahn toes?"

G: "What?"

RS: "An toes. July Sahn toes?"

G: "I don't think so."

RS: "No? Judo wan sahn toes??"

G: "I feel really bad about this, but I don't know what 'judo wan sahn toes means."

RS: "Toes! toes!...Why jew don juan toes? Ow bow Anglish moppin we bodder?"

G: "English muffin!! I've got it! You were saying 'Toast.' Fine. Yes, an English muffin will be fine."

RS: "We bodder?"

G: "No...just put the bodder on the side."

RS: "Wad?"

G: "I mean butter...just put it on the side."

RS: "Copy?"

G: "Excuse me?"

RS: "Copy...tea...meel?"

G: "Yes. Coffee, please, and that's all."

RS: "One Minnie. Scramah egg, crease baykem, Anglish moppin we bodder on sigh and copy....rye??"

G: "Whatever you say."

RS: "Tenjewberrymuds."

G: "You're very welcome."



What do you think?

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by muso on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:41am

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:07am:
Every race has variations racists, from basic tribalism (belonging to a goup or ethnicity) to out and out haters. Some people are just arseholes.

Damn Ive been called some nasty racists slurs as I have walked down the street (enen as an adult)and I have had six shades of sh1t knocked out of me when I was a kid, all because I was white. I see those same kids as grown ups, thier lives are sh1t and they're raving alchoholics and I just smile.

Like I said some people are just arseholes, depends if your are on the receiving end or not.


It's funny you should say that. The only place I've experienced that was in Townsville. I was walking across the pedestrian bridge from  the Palmer Street area to get a bite to eat in the city with my colleague who was manager of our Ghanaian operation. We were accosted by some very loud mouthed Aboriginal youths and my colleague was actually quite bemused at the fact that they referred to him as their brother.  He was a bit offended by the language they used too, being a born again Christian type.

The worst they did apart from the verbal onslaught was to ask for money, which I refused.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:56am

True Colours wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:42am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:43am:
Ask any taxi driver in Sydney what's the problem with picking up Abos, and they'll tell you they're more afraid of vomit on the seat than them doing a runner.

 


I drove taxis in Melbourne back when I was studying. All the runners, all the drunks, and all the people who would argue/haggle over fares were white.

The Aboriginals were the best customers I had - friendly and well-behaved.


They didn't stink either - which is more than I can say for a some of the white customers I had.



Fair enough. I believe you.

It must be a Sydney thing, then. It's a brave taxi driver here who will pick up Pacific Islanders or Abos after dark.

To be fair, there's also a lot of aggressive young whites who come out of the pubs late at night looking for a taxi. The Manly area is a notorious hot spot for young drunk whites looking for a fight late at night.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by BigOl64 on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:59am

muso wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:41am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:07am:
Every race has variations racists, from basic tribalism (belonging to a goup or ethnicity) to out and out haters. Some people are just arseholes.

Damn Ive been called some nasty racists slurs as I have walked down the street (enen as an adult)and I have had six shades of sh1t knocked out of me when I was a kid, all because I was white. I see those same kids as grown ups, thier lives are sh1t and they're raving alchoholics and I just smile.

Like I said some people are just arseholes, depends if your are on the receiving end or not.


It's funny you should say that. The only place I've experienced that was in Townsville. I was walking across the pedestrian bridge from  the Palmer Street area to get a bite to eat in the city with my colleague who was manager of our Ghanaian operation. We were accosted by some very loud mouthed Aboriginal youths and my colleague was actually quite bemused at the fact that they referred to him as their brother.  He was a bit offended by the language they used too, being a born again Christian type.

The worst they did apart from the verbal onslaught was to ask for money, which I refused.



That is the traditional North Queensland welcome for a lot of white bastards.

Title: Re: Cock pit crew named in Asiana Flight 214 disaster
Post by Herbert on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 12:25pm

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
Lol. It's white vs white!!!

My "racist" father says nasty things about white people from time to time.


Tell him I forgive him.

I too say nasty things about white people from time to time ~ and my own ass is white....


Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
Those racist rants on public transport I have seen posted on YouTube recently are getting interesting. I would hate to see my father, a first-generation, foreign-born immigrant, get into an altercation with those xenophobes. That would be embarrassing. I wonder what he'll say. I hope I'm miles away when it happens. I wouldn't want to be in the middle of that storm.


I've watched them too. In a couple of cases I personally would have physically shut them up myself rather than be made an unwilling accomplice to their rude and unfair behaviour by not intervening.

But there were a couple of YouTubes of women in England having a rant on buses in London, and in those particular cases I probably would have said nothing.

I would have left it as an education to all the ethnics in these buses that there IS an alternative view of Britain having been invaded by foreigners than the cozy view that the politicians and self-haters would have the ethnics believe.

The mass-immigration that has swamped Britain was imposed on the population from on high. It was 'push'-politics, not 'pull'-politics that has resulted in London now being a shrinking white minority with nearly 2 million Muslims living in the London area.

What people refer to as 'racism' is in fact 'tribalism'. Polish immigration is deeply resented in parts of Britain by the local whites. Tribal loyalties come to the fore when ones town becomes flooded with Polish shop signs, Polish this and Polish that.   


Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
I think Charles Teo was right. Racism isn't just a problem for white people, but ethnic minorities as well. If white people have to stop being racist, ethnic minorities have to stop being racist as well.


I believe that in many cases where whites are being accused of 'racism', this is a lazy substitute for the far more correct 'culturalism'.


Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
I think what Chard is misunderstanding here is that white people everywhere are always the dominant group. I think the "Battle of Brisbane" riots showed that not all whites are equal and white people don't even always respect each other, even if they speak the same language. The white American soldiers that landed in Australia during World War II were condescending and patronising towards the white Australian soldiers. I think the white Australian soldiers were so annoyed at being treated like second-class citizens in their own country that they started being friendly toward the African American soldiers. They even allowed their women to hang around them. I suppose their logic was, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and fraternising with African American soldiers was a way of "sticking it to the white Americans."


Interesting.

The way I heard it, when the Americans arrived here, the Australian women couldn't believe how well-mannered and courteous these soldiers were. The Australian women found themselves being treated as equals to the men, and their conversation was valued by these Yanks.

Previous to this Cultural Shock event, the Australian women were used to being relegated to a corner where the women were to gather in complete separation from the men.

The Americans had money, manners, sophistication, were good at conversation and dancing ~ and ENJOYED the company of women.

And so...  the average Aussie thought of them as 'poofs'.

If you weren't a drunken, swearing, fist-fighting, vomiting Aussie male ~ then you were a 'poof!'.  ;D ;D ;D

My father spent the war years here in Australia before returning to north China. He hated both Australians and the Yanks.  ;D

Those American soldiers were nearly all of Irish, Italian, Polish, and Hispanic background.


Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
Because white Australians were part of a tiny, insignificant nation of only several million and had never had any big influence on the world, they didn't have the same "big ego" as white Americans.


I'm not too sure about that. When I came to Australia from England in 1962, the first thing that struck me was how loudly the Australian male talked. Everything was said in a loud and forceful way. You were practically shouted at by them.


Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
The original intention was for Australia to be a "white paradise." Until the 1970s, Australia was one of the whitest and most "British" (by ancestry) nations in the world. However, the progressive faction in politics decided that the White Australia Policy just couldn't continue. I'm not sure if it was the "populate or perish" argument or because of the number of non-British people already living in Australia, married to white spouses or who were born here and couldn't be deported.


I'll say this about your ordinary, working-class Aussie male ~ I think they are genuinely the least racist people in the world. And even I'm surprised by this.

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