There is only one course of action available unless we are to have mass, unplanned, unsupervised immigration.
This advice applies equally to Abbott & Rudd.

1. Station as many navy vessels as possible across our north western approaches, each equipped with interpreters.
2. Every vessel needs to be equipped with a multi-lingual loud-hail message announcing the following to any boat intercepted:
- you will not be allowed to proceed into Australian waters
- we will supply you with fuel and provisions if you turn back or agree to a tow
- if you disable or scuttle your vessel you will be on your own, we will offer no assistance beyond towing back towards Indonesian waters
3. The navy's orders should be to adhere strictly to these rules.

Nothing else will work. The international community can jump up & down as much as it likes. What can it do? We have the right to protect our borders.

We have such a tiny fraction of the worlds refugee's turning up at our door, that I think we can all happily agree "we have stopped the boats", at least as much as possible.

If we have 300,000 per year like other countries, and then dropped it to 20,000 we'd be hailing our success as fantastic.

Lets stop spending any more money on this than we have to.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

There is only one course of action available unless we are to have mass, unplanned, unsupervised immigration. This advice applies equally to Abbott & Rudd. 1. Station as many navy vessels as possible across our north western approaches, each equipped with interpreters. 2. Every vessel needs to be equipped with a multi-lingual loud-hail message announcing the following to any boat intercepted: - you will not be allowed to proceed into Australian waters - we will supply you with fuel and provisions if you turn back or agree to a tow - if you disable or scuttle your vessel you will be on your own, we will offer no assistance beyond towing back towards Indonesian waters 3. The navy's orders should be to adhere strictly to these rules. Nothing else will work. The international community can jump up & down as much as it likes. What can it do? We have the right to protect our borders.

Sure, but no major party would do such a thing.

If you scuttle your boat you'll be on your own? If the Navy let that happen, it would be all over the international media within 24 hours.

The Navy are far more risk-adverse than that.

The navy is there to carry out the orders of the govt and, as I said, stuff the international community and the media.
Have we no spines? Did we get them from Kmart?

I love this policy. At the same time, let's just ask America to nuke indonesia and then we'll be rid of all these pesky refugees.  Why waste money on having boats stationed on our northern borders when we can eradicate the problem with one quick push of a button?

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What do you think would happen to any Australian vessel in distress if we did this?

What if our government offered a large reward to anyone in Indonesia who
knew about an intended boat trip to supply that information?

We could then use that to inform Indonesian authorities &
even send reporters there to get it all on TV.

The Indonesian embarrassment would STOP THE BOATS.

How about we mandate that all refugees must never wear clothes? Surely that'll stop them? boges? what you think?

How about we adopt Gillards policy of flying boat arrivals directly back a UNHCR camp & taking some from there instead.
Amanda Vanstone advocates it.

Pretty sure after word gets back to Indo this is whats happening the boats will stop. No point if your ending up back at camp.

Pity Tony puts himself before human life and solving a problem he thinks is so important.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

How about we adopt Gillards policy of flying boat arrivals directly back a UNHCR camp & taking some from there instead. Amanda Vanstone advocates it. Pretty sure after word gets back to Indo this is whats happening the boats will stop. No point if your ending up back at camp. Pity Tony puts himself before human life and solving a problem he thinks is so important.

That would probably work ... but they aren't interested in stopping them, only in the political mileage they can get out of them.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

How about we adopt Gillards policy of flying boat arrivals directly back a UNHCR camp & taking some from there instead. Amanda Vanstone advocates it. Pretty sure after word gets back to Indo this is whats happening the boats will stop. No point if your ending up back at camp. Pity Tony puts himself before human life and solving a problem he thinks is so important.

sounds like a good idea to me.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

The navy is there to carry out the orders of the govt and, as I said, stuff the international community and the media. Have we no spines? Did we get them from Kmart?

Under a Fuhrer, that's true.

In a demokracy, alas - the navy is bound by protocols and procedures - of which Search and Rescue is one.

One of the unspoken rules of civilized countries is that they don't stand by and watch people drown at sea.

I know - spineless.

Karnal wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:26pm: The navy is there to carry out the orders of the govt and, as I said, stuff the international community and the media. Have we no spines? Did we get them from Kmart? Under a Fuhrer, that's true. In a demokracy, alas - the navy is bound by protocols and procedures - of which Search and Rescue is one. One of the unspoken rules of civilized countries is that they don't stand by and watch people drown at sea. I know - spineless.

those bloody centrards.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

How about we adopt Gillards policy of flying boat arrivals directly back a UNHCR camp & taking some from there instead. Amanda Vanstone advocates it. Pretty sure after word gets back to Indo this is whats happening the boats will stop. No point if your ending up back at camp.

Ah - if the camp's in another country, they'd need a visa, no?

This is what Labor mean when they refer to that old chestnut, a "regional solution".

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 3:03pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:26pm: The navy is there to carry out the orders of the govt and, as I said, stuff the international community and the media. Have we no spines? Did we get them from Kmart? Under a Fuhrer, that's true. In a demokracy, alas - the navy is bound by protocols and procedures - of which Search and Rescue is one. One of the unspoken rules of civilized countries is that they don't stand by and watch people drown at sea. I know - spineless. those bloody centrards.

Typical.

How to stop the boats.

The solution is staring us in the face ~ and the government itself is admitting where the real problem lies.

Answer :~ It's the hand-wringing leftwingers who sit as umpires on the Refugee Review Tribunal panels who are responsible for overturning the decisions of the interrogators who work for the Immigration Department.

These Australia-hating sons-of-bitches who have wangled themselves a seat on these Tribunals ~ with their own socialist agendas, are letting through nearly 100% of what the Immigration Department has already rejected as people who are nothing more than backdoor immigrants ('economic migrants').

Read it for yourself...


Quote:

When an asylum seeker arrives in Australia, their claim is first assessed by the Immigration Department. If that claim is refused, it then goes to the independent Refugee Review Tribunal. The Immigration Department says the tribunal has recently been overturning about 80 per cent of its decisions. About 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrive by boat are eventually granted refugee status in Australia, and Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr says that figure is too high. He says most asylum seekers arriving are in fact economic migrants, especially those from Iran.

link

If Rudd and his Foreign Minister Bob Carr can root-out the most mischievous idiots who have been sitting on these Refugee Review Tribunals, then Labor will definitely win the coming election. I'll vote for them myself.

I saw Abbott on the Bolt Show on Sunday. I had to shake my head in despair. Does that man EVER answer a question put to him by an interviewer? Just answer the question.

He seems incapable of giving straight forward relevant answers to simple questions put to him.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 4:41pm:

How to stop the boats. The solution is staring us in the face ~ and the government itself is admitting where the real problem lies. Answer :~ It's the hand-wringing leftwingers who sit as umpires on the Refugee Review Tribunal panels who are responsible for overturning the decisions of the interrogators who work for the Immigration Department. These Australia-hating sons-of-bitches who have wangled themselves a seat on these Tribunals ~ with their own socialist agendas, are letting through nearly 100% of what the Immigration Department has already rejected as people who are nothing more than backdoor immigrants ('economic migrants'). Read it for yourself... Quote: When an asylum seeker arrives in Australia, their claim is first assessed by the Immigration Department. If that claim is refused, it then goes to the independent Refugee Review Tribunal. The Immigration Department says the tribunal has recently been overturning about 80 per cent of its decisions. About 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrive by boat are eventually granted refugee status in Australia, and Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr says that figure is too high. He says most asylum seekers arriving are in fact economic migrants, especially those from Iran. link If Rudd and his Foreign Minister Bob Carr can root-out the most mischievous idiots who have been sitting on these Refugee Review Tribunals, then Labor will definitely win the coming election. I'll vote for them myself. I saw Abbott on the Bolt Show on Sunday. I had to shake my head in despair. Does that man EVER answer a question put to him by an interviewer? Just answer the question. He seems incapable of giving straight forward relevant answers to simple questions put to him.

ANother LW Conservative :)  welcome Herbet :)

[quote author=Doctor_Jolly link=1374033907/1#1 date=1374034811]
We have such a tiny fraction of the worlds refugee's turning up at our door, that I think we can all happily agree "we have stopped the boats", at least as much as possible.

If we have 300,000 per year like other countries, and then dropped it to 20,000 we'd be hailing our success as fantastic.

Lets stop spending any more money on this than we have to.



that the trouble they dont..you are kidding yourself..most if not all end up at the borders of other countries..

Turkey is copping it right now from the Syria ASK YOURSELF JOLLY WHAT IS THE UN doing to stop all this???...

LISTEN TO YOUR VERY OWN FOREIGN MINISTER he has told YOU that what we are seeing on boats.. is economic asylum seekers..

they smell welfare...and they will pay to get it..

those that arrive by plane with papers are the real asylum seekers they have gone through a very vigorous process in any country but Indonesia by the look of things..


you will be sorry in years to come that you think its ok for a bunch of criminals in Java to pick and choose who comes here..


after reading what is going on in Syria.. from both sides.....I am horrified..

but more so with the UN.. which sits like a sanctimonious toothless tiger....sitting at a banquet table...looking for an answer at the b ottom of the wine flask...

they make me sick.

just had a thought on another boat thread..

how about we send" Greenpeace" out there... they seem to have more luck at stopping the boats than our Navy does.

I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it.

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it.

A brilliant LW Conservative policy.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy.

Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all.

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

just had a thought on another boat thread.. how about we send" Greenpeace" out there... they seem to have more luck at stopping the boats than our Navy does.

LOL that's actually quite good Cods
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all.

I hear Darwin is nice.  :)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:00pm: just had a thought on another boat thread.. how about we send" Greenpeace" out there... they seem to have more luck at stopping the boats than our Navy does. LOL that's actually quite good Cods ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I thought so.. at least they put up a fight.. ;D ;D

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all.

On the news every night -

Sydney taken over by gun toting cowboys.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

What if our government offered a large reward to anyone in Indonesia who knew about an intended boat trip to supply that information? We could then use that to inform Indonesian authorities & even send reporters there to get it all on TV. The Indonesian embarrassment would STOP THE BOATS.

My solution is still the best so far.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. I hear Darwin is nice.  :)

I'll let the Tammil Tigers move up to Darwin. They'd be used to the climate.

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:17pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. I hear Darwin is nice.  :) I'll let the Tammil Tigers move up to Darwin. They'd be used to the climate.

Sure. But then...where will you go?   :-/  Hobart perhaps?

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all.

quite a few years ago... I was working with a guy whos family members had moved back to ACT from SYdney because of the violence..he was a police officer and they had as many as 9 locks on the front door...and he had had his car stolen 3 times..

now from memory they were not having driveby shootings every day like they have now..it saddens me to be honest to think we are sitting back just watching it go on.. every weekend someone ends up in  a coma and is lucky not to be dead..now it seems to be in and around the same areas all the time..its bordering on lawless..again I hold our courts responsible for some of it.. no one is scared of our courts...and I mean no one..

if I was a copper I wouldnt arrest anyone.. why bother..

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. quite a few years ago... I was working with a guy whos family members had moved back to ACT from SYdney because of the violence..he was a police officer and they had as many as 9 locks on the front door...and he had had his car stolen 3 times.. now from memory they were not having driveby shootings every day like they have now..it saddens me to be honest to think we are sitting back just watching it go on.. every weekend someone ends up in  a coma and is lucky not to be dead..now it seems to be in and around the same areas all the time..its bordering on lawless..again I hold our courts responsible for some of it.. no one is scared of our courts...and I mean no one.. if I was a copper I wouldnt arrest anyone.. why bother..

Do you hold migrants and refugees personally responsible also?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. On the news every night - Sydney taken over by gun toting cowboys.

Some of my family are from Lakemba. That was back in the 50's when it was part of Australia. Most of Sydney gives that place and it's surrounds a wide berth. That place has it's own rules.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:24pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:23pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. quite a few years ago... I was working with a guy whos family members had moved back to ACT from SYdney because of the violence..he was a police officer and they had as many as 9 locks on the front door...and he had had his car stolen 3 times.. now from memory they were not having driveby shootings every day like they have now..it saddens me to be honest to think we are sitting back just watching it go on.. every weekend someone ends up in  a coma and is lucky not to be dead..now it seems to be in and around the same areas all the time..its bordering on lawless..again I hold our courts responsible for some of it.. no one is scared of our courts...and I mean no one.. if I was a copper I wouldnt arrest anyone.. why bother.. Do you hold migrants and refugees personally responsible also?

ok show me the link you have... to say I said something like that????..

otherwise an apology would be nice.... not expected just nice.

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:24pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:23pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. quite a few years ago... I was working with a guy whos family members had moved back to ACT from SYdney because of the violence..he was a police officer and they had as many as 9 locks on the front door...and he had had his car stolen 3 times.. now from memory they were not having driveby shootings every day like they have now..it saddens me to be honest to think we are sitting back just watching it go on.. every weekend someone ends up in  a coma and is lucky not to be dead..now it seems to be in and around the same areas all the time..its bordering on lawless..again I hold our courts responsible for some of it.. no one is scared of our courts...and I mean no one.. if I was a copper I wouldnt arrest anyone.. why bother.. Do you hold migrants and refugees personally responsible also? ok show me the link you have... to say I said something like that????.. otherwise an apology would be nice.... not expected just nice.

I wasn't accusing you cods, only asking to find out if you agreed with Big Dave or not. :)

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. On the news every night - Sydney taken over by gun toting cowboys. Some of my family are from Lakemba. That was back in the 50's when it was part of Australia. Most of Sydney gives that place and it's surrounds a wide berth. That place has it's own rules.

this happened in England has done for years... yet we didnt even try to stop it..multi something or other its called...yeah right...we almost need a passport to go into some suburbs..

I am a believer in When in Rome do as the Romans do.. I know a lot do... but an awful lot dont maybe they dont really like us..
not the other way round.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:23pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:17pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. I hear Darwin is nice.  :) I'll let the Tammil Tigers move up to Darwin. They'd be used to the climate. Sure. But then...where will you go?   :-/  Hobart perhaps?

I'm not going anywhere. I've seen too many aussies pushed out. The lebbo's can can and live out in the bush. You'd like tassie alevine. Plenty of do-gooders chaining themselves to trees. Just watch out for that creeping jesus Bob Brown. .

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

I'm not going anywhere. I've seen too many aussies pushed out. The lebbo's can can and live out in the bush. You'd like tassie alevine. Plenty of do-gooders chaining themselves to trees. Just watch out for that creeping jesus Bob Brown. .

I like Hobart. Very nice town.

But, I don't uinderstand...if you don't like Sydney why are you going to stay there?  The lebbo's have no problem with Sydney it seems...only you do? Why would you force those without a problem to leave, when it is you who has the problem? Seems quite illogical.

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. On the news every night - Sydney taken over by gun toting cowboys. Some of my family are from Lakemba. That was back in the 50's when it was part of Australia. Most of Sydney gives that place and it's surrounds a wide berth. That place has it's own rules. this happened in England has done for years... yet we didnt even try to stop it..multi something or other its called...yeah right...we almost need a passport to go into some suburbs.. I am a believer in When in Rome do as the Romans do.. I know a lot do... but an awful lot dont maybe they dont really like us.. not the other way round.

It's too late now though. I like multiculturalism to a degree. But they have to pick the right people. They didn't think it through enough with the muslim Lebonese. Even the other arabs dislike them. It will get worse and will probably never get better. I just feel sorry for the poor young cop from the country who they throw in there trying to enforce Australian law. That's like painting a target on somebody.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:38pm: I'm not going anywhere. I've seen too many aussies pushed out. The lebbo's can can and live out in the bush. You'd like tassie alevine. Plenty of do-gooders chaining themselves to trees. Just watch out for that creeping jesus Bob Brown. . I like Hobart. Very nice town. But, I don't uinderstand...if you don't like Sydney why are you going to stay there?  The lebbo's have no problem with Sydney it seems...only you do? Why would you force those without a problem to leave, when it is you who has the problem? Seems quite illogical.

Where do you live alevine?

How to stop the boats

#####

Elect Abbott.

Simple.
So simple even I can understand it.

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:41pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:38pm: I'm not going anywhere. I've seen too many aussies pushed out. The lebbo's can can and live out in the bush. You'd like tassie alevine. Plenty of do-gooders chaining themselves to trees. Just watch out for that creeping jesus Bob Brown. . I like Hobart. Very nice town. But, I don't uinderstand...if you don't like Sydney why are you going to stay there?  The lebbo's have no problem with Sydney it seems...only you do? Why would you force those without a problem to leave, when it is you who has the problem? Seems quite illogical. Where do you live alevine?

Melbourne, Big Dave.  WAnna move? I'd love you to be here :)

bambu wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

How to stop the boats ##### Elect Abbott. Simple. So simple even I can understand it.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bambu wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

How to stop the boats ##### Elect Abbott. Simple. So simple even I can understand it.

Well yes, he is a bit simple.

As one would also have to be simple, to elect him.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

The navy is there to carry out the orders of the govt and, as I said, stuff the international community and the media. Have we no spines? Did we get them from Kmart?

If we had a government that took your actions we would be a rogue state, and deserve the consequences. Thank dog we don't have imbeciles that think like this in control we would jeopardise  our kids future.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:54pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:41pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:38pm: I'm not going anywhere. I've seen too many aussies pushed out. The lebbo's can can and live out in the bush. You'd like tassie alevine. Plenty of do-gooders chaining themselves to trees. Just watch out for that creeping jesus Bob Brown. . I like Hobart. Very nice town. But, I don't uinderstand...if you don't like Sydney why are you going to stay there?  The lebbo's have no problem with Sydney it seems...only you do? Why would you force those without a problem to leave, when it is you who has the problem? Seems quite illogical. Where do you live alevine? Melbourne, Big Dave.  WAnna move? I'd love you to be here :)

I like Melbourne. People aren't shooting one another down there and it seems more friendly. Too cold though. Any other suggestions.

skippy. wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:26pm: The navy is there to carry out the orders of the govt and, as I said, stuff the international community and the media. Have we no spines? Did we get them from Kmart? If we had a government that took your actions we would be a rogue state, and deserve the consequences. Thank dog we don't have imbeciles that think like this in control we would jeopardise  our kids future.

No. We would simply be a state looking after our own interests.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

bambu wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:56pm: How to stop the boats ##### Elect Abbott. Simple. So simple even I can understand it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bambi is simple enough to believe that too. ;D

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:58pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:54pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:41pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:38pm: I'm not going anywhere. I've seen too many aussies pushed out. The lebbo's can can and live out in the bush. You'd like tassie alevine. Plenty of do-gooders chaining themselves to trees. Just watch out for that creeping jesus Bob Brown. . I like Hobart. Very nice town. But, I don't uinderstand...if you don't like Sydney why are you going to stay there?  The lebbo's have no problem with Sydney it seems...only you do? Why would you force those without a problem to leave, when it is you who has the problem? Seems quite illogical. Where do you live alevine? Melbourne, Big Dave.  WAnna move? I'd love you to be here :) I like Melbourne. People aren't shooting one another down there and it seems more friendly. Too cold though. Any other suggestions.

Perth? Adelaide? Ballarat? Bendigo? Brisbane? Gold Coast? canberra? You take a pick Big Dave :) It's a big country!

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:34pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. On the news every night - Sydney taken over by gun toting cowboys. Some of my family are from Lakemba. That was back in the 50's when it was part of Australia. Most of Sydney gives that place and it's surrounds a wide berth. That place has it's own rules. this happened in England has done for years... yet we didnt even try to stop it..multi something or other its called...yeah right...we almost need a passport to go into some suburbs.. I am a believer in When in Rome do as the Romans do.. I know a lot do... but an awful lot dont maybe they dont really like us.. not the other way round. It's too late now though. I like multiculturalism to a degree. But they have to pick the right people. They didn't think it through enough with the muslim Lebonese. Even the other arabs dislike them. It will get worse and will probably never get better. I just feel sorry for the poor young cop from the country who they throw in there trying to enforce Australian law. That's like painting a target on somebody.

dave they throw in those that have just left the academy in Goulburn... they all have to do at least 1 year in Sydney could be longer...my son in law got Marrickville..I mean rookies...

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:46pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:34pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:19pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. On the news every night - Sydney taken over by gun toting cowboys. Some of my family are from Lakemba. That was back in the 50's when it was part of Australia. Most of Sydney gives that place and it's surrounds a wide berth. That place has it's own rules. this happened in England has done for years... yet we didnt even try to stop it..multi something or other its called...yeah right...we almost need a passport to go into some suburbs.. I am a believer in When in Rome do as the Romans do.. I know a lot do... but an awful lot dont maybe they dont really like us.. not the other way round. It's too late now though. I like multiculturalism to a degree. But they have to pick the right people. They didn't think it through enough with the muslim Lebonese. Even the other arabs dislike them. It will get worse and will probably never get better. I just feel sorry for the poor young cop from the country who they throw in there trying to enforce Australian law. That's like painting a target on somebody. dave they throw in those that have just left the academy in Goulburn... they all have to do at least 1 year in Sydney could be longer...my son in law got Marrickville..I mean rookies...

Marrickville!! He'd have some stories to tell. It's criminal. I was watching the news just now and a Lebonese kid got shot at Bexly. The bullet just missed his spine. He aint talking either. Some kid or old person  walking down a street is going to get hit by a stray bullet one day. It's just a big mess.

Has no one looked back over their shoulder.

The answer to this is screaming at you.

Under John Howard's policy of turning the boats back, only 2 boats got through in a year.

Once we get a Government who have a half an ounce of backbone and send the Navy off to refuel restock then escort the pirate boats back; it won't take long for word to get out amongst the freeloaders that they will do their 15K if they get on a boat.

Because pirates aren't exactly known for giving refunds to unhappy passengers.

It worked before and it will work again.

Once more I say loud and clear, Indonesian boats leaving Indonesia and crewed by Indonesians.

Just turn the bloody things around and send them back where they came from.

red baron wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

Has no one looked back over their shoulder. The answer to this is screaming at you. Under John Howard's policy of turning the boats back, only 2 boats got through in a year. Once we get a Government who have a half an ounce of backbone and send the Navy off to refuel restock then escort the pirate boats back; it won't take long for word to get out amongst the freeloaders that they will do their 15K if they get on a boat. Because pirates aren't exactly known for giving refunds to unhappy passengers. It worked before and it will work again. Once more I say loud and clear, Indonesian boats leaving Indonesia and crewed by Indonesians. Just turn the bloody things around and send them back where they came from.

i don't think Tony is even talking about the Pacific Solution anymore. You know why Mr Baron Sir? times have changed. New policy is needed.

Quote:

Just turn the bloody things around and send them back where they came from.

And how exactly do you do that when their boat has been scuttled..............by them?

Didn't seem to be a problem last time if I recall. Aussie...You see KRudd has taught the malingerers a trick or two under his stewardship.

There is always a solution but that weak turd Rudd won't make the hard decisions.

red baron wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Didn't seem to be a problem last time if I recall. Aussie...You see KRudd has taught the malingerers a trick or two under his stewardship. There is always a solution but that weak turd Rudd won't make the hard decisions.

Yes, but they have learned.  The situation now is not what it once was.  They know that as soon as they see our Ships on the horizon they can scuttle.

What do you suggest in that circumstance?  We make the conscious decision to let them drown?

A very simple solution:
Do not accept anyone who has not cleared Indonesian immigration when they exit that country for Australia.

They are all leaving Indonesia illegally. Insisting that they clear Indo immigration is basic act of regional good neighbourliness.  Who could possibly object?? The Indos should be kissing our arses for solving the problem for them.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

A very simple solution: Do not accept anyone who has not cleared Indonesian immigration when they exit that country for Australia. They are all leaving Indonesia illegally. Insisting that they clear Indo immigration is basic act of regional good neighbourliness.  Who could possibly object?? The Indos should be kissing our arses for solving the problem for them.

is it illegal to exit a country without immigrations approval? I always thought that only applied when you enter a country.

John Smith wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 7:19pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 7:14pm: A very simple solution: Do not accept anyone who has not cleared Indonesian immigration when they exit that country for Australia. They are all leaving Indonesia illegally. Insisting that they clear Indo immigration is basic act of regional good neighbourliness.  Who could possibly object?? The Indos should be kissing our arses for solving the problem for them. is it illegal to exit a country without immigrations approval? I always thought that only applied when you enter a country.

Not sure on Indonesia.  Malaysia you have to go through immigration to exit. US you don't.

But Soren is again getting all confused, as per normal. You can't simply send people back based on the fact they "left Indonesia illegally."  Against refugee convention :) What we CAN do , and SHOULD DO, is work on the regional solution smithy offered up before.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 7:19pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 7:14pm: A very simple solution: Do not accept anyone who has not cleared Indonesian immigration when they exit that country for Australia. They are all leaving Indonesia illegally. Insisting that they clear Indo immigration is basic act of regional good neighbourliness.  Who could possibly object?? The Indos should be kissing our arses for solving the problem for them. is it illegal to exit a country without immigrations approval? I always thought that only applied when you enter a country. Not sure on Indonesia.  Malaysia you have to go through immigration to exit. US you don't. But Soren is again getting all confused, as per normal. You can't simply send people back based on the fact they "left Indonesia illegally."  Against refugee convention :) What we CAN do , and SHOULD DO, is work on the regional solution smithy offered up before.

I know that in many countries you have to go through immigration, but I always thought that was purely to prevent wanted crims, bail jumpers etc. from leaving the country.

Is it actually ILLEGAL to exit a country without clearing immigration first? I'm not asking because of Sorens solution, its just as ridiculous as most of his 'solutions', I just want to know because I am curious. I don't know why, but I never thought of it as illegal to exit a country without immigrations clearance.

John Smith wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 7:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 7:19pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 7:14pm: A very simple solution: Do not accept anyone who has not cleared Indonesian immigration when they exit that country for Australia. They are all leaving Indonesia illegally. Insisting that they clear Indo immigration is basic act of regional good neighbourliness.  Who could possibly object?? The Indos should be kissing our arses for solving the problem for them. is it illegal to exit a country without immigrations approval? I always thought that only applied when you enter a country. Not sure on Indonesia.  Malaysia you have to go through immigration to exit. US you don't. But Soren is again getting all confused, as per normal. You can't simply send people back based on the fact they "left Indonesia illegally."  Against refugee convention :) What we CAN do , and SHOULD DO, is work on the regional solution smithy offered up before. I know that in many countries you have to go through immigration, but I always thought that was purely to prevent wanted crims, bail jumpers etc. from leaving the country. Is it actually ILLEGAL to exit a country without clearing immigration first? I'm not asking because of Sorens solution, its just as ridiculous as most of his 'solutions', I just want to know because I am curious. I don't know why, but I never thought of it as illegal to exit a country without immigrations clearance.

oh.

mmm... i dunno...

red baron wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Didn't seem to be a problem last time if I recall. Aussie...You see KRudd has taught the malingerers a trick or two under his stewardship. There is always a solution but that weak turd Rudd won't make the hard decisions.

That's the trouble with you lot....
You all live in the past.

You still driving around in a Stanley Steamer, Red??

:)

red baron wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

Has no one looked back over their shoulder. The answer to this is screaming at you. Under John Howard's policy of turning the boats back, only 2 boats got through in a year. Once we get a Government who have a half an ounce of backbone and send the Navy off to refuel restock then escort the pirate boats back; it won't take long for word to get out amongst the freeloaders that they will do their 15K if they get on a boat. Because pirates aren't exactly known for giving refunds to unhappy passengers. It worked before and it will work again. Once more I say loud and clear, Indonesian boats leaving Indonesia and crewed by Indonesians. Just turn the bloody things around and send them back where they came from.

It's amazing how people with such simple minds manage to wipe their ass.
All this bullsh it about the lying little rodent did this and that, the whole world has  refugees turning up on their doors because of the actions of  assholes like Howard invading their countries, simple and dumb, what a combination. ::)

Another way to stop the boats:

Cease all offshore processing.

Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture.

Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal.

Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations.

Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers.

Simple, workable and, above all, humane.

Three simple words: Temporary Protection Visas.

How about convicting the Indonesian skippers for human endangerment. In Australia people aren't allowed to fit 10 people in a car and drive over the limit. Same thing.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing. Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture. Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal. Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations. Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers. Simple, workable and, above all, humane.

Yes, yes. And while you're at it, world peace, a cure for cancer, abundant renewable energy and free drugs for all.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing. Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture. Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal. Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations. Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers. Simple, workable and, above all, humane.

Yep! Pretty-much what I've said all along.

It's really the only acceptable solution.

I'm not interested in anything the Libs may come up with, nor am I happy with the Labor way.

How to stop the boats.....

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sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Big Dave wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm: I know how to stop the boats- turn Australia into a toilet and nobody will want to come here. We are on the way to doing it. A brilliant LW Conservative policy. Sydney is turning into a toilet. I don't feel safe in much of it at all. I hear Darwin is nice.  :)

No. Dunedin is much better.

We have this on reliable evidence.

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:07pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 8:00pm: Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing. Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture. Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal. Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations. Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers. Simple, workable and, above all, humane. Yes, yes. And while you're at it, world peace, a cure for cancer, abundant renewable energy and free drugs for all.

It's getting late. I'll start on that tomorrow. At the weekend I'll find the meaning of life.
Anyway, sounds like you're on the free drugs, already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcJpwUifpg

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing. Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture. Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal. Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations. Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers. Simple, workable and, above all, humane.

Gillard already tried that - more people came. Bravo!  ::)

The course of action I put forward is hard-nosed I know, but it's in the expectation that none of the political parties will provide a solution at all to prevent what is currently managable at great cost turning into a flood which won't be managable.
As to the navy refusing to operate under these instructions, well we'd just have to look at outsourcing the job to private security.
As to other nations refusing to help our vessels or aircraft in distress, I don't know of that occurring elsewhere  and we are not invading anybody.
If Rudd looks to withdraw from the convention, as has been suggested, it's not going to physically stop the movement. Neither is some regional agreement which will be honoured in much the same way as free trade is, ie not at all.

Consider asylum claims only for those who come directly from a territory where their life, physical security or physical freedom were threatened due to the reasons described in Article 1, A(2) of the 1951 Convention.

Provide asylum visas only, not permanent residency, when asylum is granted.

Put Tony in budgie smugglers and Mirrabella in a bikini and put them on a boat out in the international waters.

Be enough for anyone to turn their boats back.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing. Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture. Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal. Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations. Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers. Simple, workable and, above all, humane.

And meanwhile, encourage boats to keep coming, risk capsizing off Christmas Island, and watch more men, women and children drowning at sea.

The time's gone for onshore processing and allowing the boats to keep coming. The death toll's now over a thousand - that we know of. There is no humanity in a refugee policy that, for all its good intentions, rewards people who get to Australia by boat.

If you send those who get to Australia home, they risk further persecution. If you don't, they keep coming to Australia and risk drowning at sea.

It seems to me that the risk of persecution back in Sri Lanka or Iran is less than the risk of travelling to Christmas Island on ill-equipped fishing boats. I don't know this (and each case is unique), but it's now clear what the risk of people smuggling vessels is.

If Australia needs to amend the Refugee Treaty to save lives at sea, this seems far more humane to me.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

There is only one course of action available unless we are to have mass, unplanned, unsupervised immigration. This advice applies equally to Abbott & Rudd. 1. Station as many navy vessels as possible across our north western approaches, each equipped with interpreters. 2. Every vessel needs to be equipped with a multi-lingual loud-hail message announcing the following to any boat intercepted: - you will not be allowed to proceed into Australian waters - we will supply you with fuel and provisions if you turn back or agree to a tow - if you disable or scuttle your vessel you will be on your own, we will offer no assistance beyond towing back towards Indonesian waters 3. The navy's orders should be to adhere strictly to these rules. Nothing else will work. The international community can jump up & down as much as it likes. What can it do? We have the right to protect our borders.

So you think its okay to let them all drown because 1 or 2 have done soemthing to make the boat sink? How compassionate of you.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

John Smith wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:48pm: How about we adopt Gillards policy of flying boat arrivals directly back a UNHCR camp & taking some from there instead. Amanda Vanstone advocates it. Pretty sure after word gets back to Indo this is whats happening the boats will stop. No point if your ending up back at camp. Pity Tony puts himself before human life and solving a problem he thinks is so important. That would probably work ... but they aren't interested in stopping them, only in the political mileage they can get out of them.

The problem with that is twofold:

1) You mentioned gillard so it has to be wrong (evil, no!, whatever).
2) The ppl here that want to "stop the boats" (including the op) want to stop us from helping anyone whatsoever.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Instead of "stopping the boats" lets look at options for these people.

If we stopped politicising this issue and looked at the claims made for immigration - how many would be legitimate?

If it's over a certain %, you would think that there are other options (planes etc) that might make more sense than housing people on an island costing us billions a year.

The total world refugees has roughly doubled from what it was when Howard left.

This surge in refugees has come from countries with a closer geographical location to Australia than in the past (since Vietnam), with Sri Lanka and the middle east producing a lot.

So I think the number of "boats" is a push factor more than a pull factor. 

Chicken Kev making noises about the convention and tightening up the criteria for selection as refugees and not a word from the luvvies.  The silence is as deafening as when Labor excised the mainland from its migration zone. 

Imagine if Howard has made noises about taking a fresh look at the convention and tightening up the criteria, the weeping, wailing and lamentations of the luvvies would be lifting the roof.  There would be screams of racism, instead, nuffin.   >:( >:(

Smacking silence.  Typical hypocrisy of the left but I am no longer surprised by the duplicity.

And still waiting for the memorials at Canberra by the usual rent a crowd now that Labor has well and truly surpassed the death toll of the Howard years.

You lefties need to take a long hard look at yourselves and your flexible outrage.  Or does support for the left silence and trump your own personal convictions? Wankers. 

your flexible outrage

well coined

Datalife wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Chicken Kev making noises about the convention and tightening up the criteria for selection as refugees and not a word from the luvvies.  The silence is as deafening as when Labor excised the mainland from its migration zone.  Imagine if Howard has made noises about taking a fresh look at the convention and tightening up the criteria, the weeping, wailing and lamentations of the luvvies would be lifting the roof.  There would be screams of racism, instead, nuffin.   >:( >:( Smacking silence.  Typical hypocrisy of the left but I am no longer surprised by the duplicity. And still waiting for the memorials at Canberra by the usual rent a crowd now that Labor has well and truly surpassed the death toll of the Howard years. You lefties need to take a long hard look at yourselves and your flexible outrage.  Or does support for the left silence and trump your own personal convictions? Wankers.

Howard would never look at anything because like wank Tony, Howard didn't recognise that the issue was global. He did what he did best: put blinkers around people's eyes. 

In any case, the argument from the left has always been the same in that the solution must be humane. And it must be humane; towing boats back to a farked up Indonesia without the slighest of protection is inhumane.

And for your term flexible outrage, that my friend is your own. It's very convenient for the xenos to argue against the problem because of the death, but the underlying debates over "welfare payments", "salad bowls" , "integration", "terrorism" tell us the entire story:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PxqddJW4lk

So the entire flexibility of the outrage is yours and yours alone.

Why are people ignoring the push factors behind boat people?

Verge wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

Why are people ignoring the push factors behind boat people?

Because there are no "PUSH" factors Verge. ;)

We have DOLE they come ONLY for that.

Besides if we examined WHY they come with any intellect it might not fit the slogans

Verge wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

Why are people ignoring the push factors behind boat people?

I'm not.  But reality tells us that if we want to solve the immediate problem of deaths at sea, then it must be regional solution of processing in Indonesia via UNHCR. In a way, that'll stop the push as well as I'm sure many people don't just use Indonesia as transit, but end up havign to leave INdonesia because of its ill-treatment of asylum seekers.

Long term, yes, we should be helping the globe deal with the push factors of the actual countries from which people are fleeing.

smithy, who cares why they come? Let them get in line where we make the decisions about who, when and how many.
Or do you think it's OK for us to be blackmailed into accepting anybody with the threat of suicide?

Datalife wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Chicken Kev making noises about the convention and tightening up the criteria for selection as refugees and not a word from the luvvies.  The silence is as deafening as when Labor excised the mainland from its migration zone.  Imagine if Howard has made noises about taking a fresh look at the convention and tightening up the criteria, the weeping, wailing and lamentations of the luvvies would be lifting the roof.  There would be screams of racism, instead, nuffin.   >:( >:(

Because Howard politicized this issue at a time when there were less than 300 refugees arriving by boat a year.

Now, our entire refugee intake is taken out by boat arrivals and 1000 have died at sea.

Labor changed the policies when the number was down to zero. The Pacific detention centres were empty. No one in immigration or Foreign Affairs knew things would spiral out of control like they have.

Sure Rudd should own the change of policy, but this is not the issue when another boat's just gone down. The damage is now done, and Rudd and Abbott have the same resources and potential solutions under their control.

The Rudd government has had complete a turnaround in thinking - particularly Bob Carr. Luvvies be damned, this is now about stopping deaths at sea.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing.

Wrong.

The UK has tens of thousands of unidentified foreigners wandering the country as absconders from the assessment process.


Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture.

You can't be serious. 90% of these people are Muslims. What culture are you going to teach them? They will all be destined for Sydney's Muslim ghettoes where the English language is not necessary. There's nothing they want from us culturally. All they want is our supermarkets, our welfare and Aged Pension system, our high wages, and our mosques.


Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded.

Wrong. No extension. And most of all ~ NO Refugees Tribunal Board stacked with leftwingers, hand-wringing clergy, homosexuals, members of our ethnic communities, etc etc like an audience of a Jenny Brockie 'Insight' show. 


Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Make the decision open to one appeal.

(I'm grinding my teeth here, but okay, I'll let this one pass). Every man and his dog knows that the main tactic with pro bono lawyers for asylum-seekers has been one of wearing down the tribunals through sheer attrition... endless appeals).

I'll add another item to your list : No more 'Ministerial Discretion' loopholes for enabling rejected claimants to stay upon the sympathy of the minister for immigration.


Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations.

Nonsense. The Tamils can migrate to Tamil Nadu just across the waters just the same as coming to Australia on rickety boats. The Sri Lankan government is sorting out some residual problems after their 23 year war.


Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers.

Rabid insanity on methamphetamines. (Don't take that personally. Experimental commentary here).

These People Smugglers are not criminals but heroes to those among the boat-people who are genuinely fleeing for their lives in the same way as Jews were assisted in escaping from the holocaust by being taken over the Pyrenees mountains into Spain.


Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Simple, workable and, above all, humane.

Nonsense.

I look forward to you submitting your second draft as a corrected edition of the above.

Don't despair. I too suffered many rejections before hitting my full potential. Courage, man, courage!

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

There is only one course of action available unless we are to have mass, unplanned, unsupervised immigration. This advice applies equally to Abbott & Rudd. 1. Station as many navy vessels as possible across our north western approaches, each equipped with interpreters. 2. Every vessel needs to be equipped with a multi-lingual loud-hail message announcing the following to any boat intercepted: - you will not be allowed to proceed into Australian waters - we will supply you with fuel and provisions if you turn back or agree to a tow - if you disable or scuttle your vessel you will be on your own, we will offer no assistance beyond towing back towards Indonesian waters 3. The navy's orders should be to adhere strictly to these rules. Nothing else will work. The international community can jump up & down as much as it likes. What can it do? We have the right to protect our borders.

Wrong. All that needs to be done is to suspend our membership of the UN and with it all treaties, conventions etc signed by our alleged representatives. We would no longer be bound to accept any refugees. Those posing as refugees in our country should be informed that under no circumstances would family reunions be allowed. It might also be helpful if groups who arrived in our country as a result of war in their countries (Lebanon, Iraq, Sri Lanka etc) were informed that it is now safe for them to return to their mother countries.

salad in wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 9:32pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:05pm: There is only one course of action available unless we are to have mass, unplanned, unsupervised immigration. This advice applies equally to Abbott & Rudd. 1. Station as many navy vessels as possible across our north western approaches, each equipped with interpreters. 2. Every vessel needs to be equipped with a multi-lingual loud-hail message announcing the following to any boat intercepted: - you will not be allowed to proceed into Australian waters - we will supply you with fuel and provisions if you turn back or agree to a tow - if you disable or scuttle your vessel you will be on your own, we will offer no assistance beyond towing back towards Indonesian waters 3. The navy's orders should be to adhere strictly to these rules. Nothing else will work. The international community can jump up & down as much as it likes. What can it do? We have the right to protect our borders. Wrong. All that needs to be done is to suspend our membership of the UN and with it all treaties, conventions etc signed by our alleged representatives. We would no longer be bound to accept any refugees. Those posing as refugees in our country should be informed that under no circumstances would family reunions be allowed. It might also be helpful if groups who arrived in our country as a result of war in their countries (Lebanon, Iraq, Sri Lanka etc) were informed that it is now safe for them to return to their mother countries.

Great idea, when do we tell the Jews WW2 is over,And it's safe to return to Europe? I want to reclaim all of those ghetto areas they have created down on Sydney harbour.

salad in wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 9:32pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:05pm: There is only one course of action available unless we are to have mass, unplanned, unsupervised immigration. This advice applies equally to Abbott & Rudd. 1. Station as many navy vessels as possible across our north western approaches, each equipped with interpreters. 2. Every vessel needs to be equipped with a multi-lingual loud-hail message announcing the following to any boat intercepted: - you will not be allowed to proceed into Australian waters - we will supply you with fuel and provisions if you turn back or agree to a tow - if you disable or scuttle your vessel you will be on your own, we will offer no assistance beyond towing back towards Indonesian waters 3. The navy's orders should be to adhere strictly to these rules. Nothing else will work. The international community can jump up & down as much as it likes. What can it do? We have the right to protect our borders. Wrong. All that needs to be done is to suspend our membership of the UN and with it all treaties, conventions etc signed by our alleged representatives. We would no longer be bound to accept any refugees. Those posing as refugees in our country should be informed that under no circumstances would family reunions be allowed. It might also be helpful if groups who arrived in our country as a result of war in their countries (Lebanon, Iraq, Sri Lanka etc) were informed that it is now safe for them to return to their mother countries.

fine, suggest it to Tony .....  but until we suspend our UN membership, we stick to the agreement we signed

skippy. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

salad in wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:05pm: There is only one course of action available unless we are to have mass, unplanned, unsupervised immigration. This advice applies equally to Abbott & Rudd. 1. Station as many navy vessels as possible across our north western approaches, each equipped with interpreters. 2. Every vessel needs to be equipped with a multi-lingual loud-hail message announcing the following to any boat intercepted:9 - you will not be allowed to proceed into Australian waters - we will supply you with fuel and provisions if you turn back or agree to a tow - if you disable or scuttle your vessel you will be on your own, we will offer no assistance beyond towing back towards Indonesian waters 3. The navy's orders should be to adhere strictly to these rules. Nothing else will work. The international community can jump up & down as much as it likes. What can it do? We have the right to protect our borders. Wrong. All that needs to be done is to suspend our membership of the UN and with it all treaties, conventions etc signed by our alleged representatives. We would no longer be bound to accept any refugees. Those posing as refugees in our country should be informed that under no circumstances would family reunions be allowed. It might also be helpful if groups who arrived in our country as a result of war in their countries (Lebanon, Iraq, Sri Lanka etc) were informed that it is now safe for them to return to their mother countries. Great idea, when do we tell the Jews WW2 is over,And it's safe to return to Europe? I want to reclaim all of those ghetto areas they have created down on Sydney harbour.

I concur, Skippy. We could set up Matty’s headquarters in Frank Lewy’s place in Vaucluse.

Yes, Mr Turnbull is right next door, but this would give the Dunedin Libs a strategic advantage over the Liberal Wets.

Thoughts?

skippy. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

Great idea, when do we tell the Jews WW2 is over,And it's safe to return to Europe? I want to reclaim all of those ghetto areas they have created down on Sydney harbour.

I thought the jews were the cause of all unrest in the ME and elsewhere. I find it hard to accept that you now want to cuddle them. Isn't Israel, the home of jews, the ME tinderbox? Surely you want jews sent home which would free us of trouble makers.

Karnal wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 8:00pm: Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing. Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture. Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal. Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations. Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers. Simple, workable and, above all, humane. And meanwhile, encourage boats to keep coming, risk capsizing off Christmas Island, and watch more men, women and children drowning at sea. The time's gone for onshore processing and allowing the boats to keep coming. The death toll's now over a thousand - that we know of. There is no humanity in a refugee policy that, for all its good intentions, rewards people who get to Australia by boat. If you send those who get to Australia home, they risk further persecution. If you don't, they keep coming to Australia and risk drowning at sea. It seems to me that the risk of persecution back in Sri Lanka or Iran is less than the risk of travelling to Christmas Island on ill-equipped fishing boats. I don't know this (and each case is unique), but it's now clear what the risk of people smuggling vessels is. If Australia needs to amend the Refugee Treaty to save lives at sea, this seems far more humane to me.

White Australia policy re packed.

Belgium takes in 50,000+ asylum seekers and refugees each year, and Belgium is smaller and less wealthy than Australia.

Poor old Australia can't take in a couple thousand asylum seekers from regions of the world where our defense forces are engaged.

Poor poor racist Australia.

Where is our humanity?

Is Belgium getting its refugees from the British Chanel, or from the UNHCR?

Australia can take as many refugees as it wants - it shouldn’t be encouraging people to risk their lives at sea.

What refugee intake to drownings ratio do you think is an acceptable figure?

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A people smuggler in Indonesia has told the ABC that none of the domestic policies being considered in Australia can stop the boats. As the Federal Government looks for answers leading up to the election, the people smuggler says proposed measures like turning boats back or making it harder to get refugee status are not enough. The smuggler says there are now too many people fleeing death and persecution and that factor outweighs Australia's attempts to stop them. And while more boats reach Australian waters, some former refugees who have lost family members on the dangerous journey say the immigration system is oppressive. The people smuggler, who is known to police, says he does not think the trade is threatened by any domestic policies being considered in Australia. The man, who admitted to being involved in about 12 boats that have reached Australia this year, spoke to the ABC on condition of anonymity and said the conditions on Nauru and Manus Island were also not a deterrent. AUDIO: Listen to George Roberts' report for PM (PM) "Because those people can at least live there, right? They live there for 10 years, for 20 years, but they will live there. They won't be killed, they won't get bombed. At least they will survive, right?" he said. Domestic policies of the Australian Government could not compete with the threat of death in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan that are the main force driving demand for people smuggling, he added. "They make the conditions difficult or they make anything like that, the policies like that, but at least they are not going to kill these people." Deep scars caused by perilous journey The combination of rough seas and more boats is placing political pressure on the Government to find solutions. A former employee of the Department of Immigration, Greg Lake, says officers are feeling the strain of the arrivals and the losses at sea. VIDEO: Smuggler warns no policies can halt asylum seekers (7pm TV News NSW) "I know my colleagues would have been challenged, but the last week, I know they'll be tired. They'll be frustrated, and I know that's how I felt when I witnessed similar sorts of things," he said. But former refugees have far deeper scars caused by their journeys to Australia. Ahmed Alzalimi's three daughters were among more than 350 people who drowned in the SIEV X tragedy in 2001 when they tried to join him in Australia. His wife was one of only 44 survivors of the sinking. In the months after the incident, she made up three beds each night for her lost children. Mr Alzalimi says he feels like a wounded lion and that the longer you live with your wounds, the more you feel the pain. The family wants to ensure that no other asylum seekers experience a similar loss. Condition on Nauru, Manus Island no deterrent As the election draws nearer and the debate over asylum seekers deepens, the people smuggler says the terrible conditions in countries where people are fleeing from is too powerful to be stopped. He viewed the details of Australia's policy options by both major parties but says people within his network and customers say neither will be able to halt refugees. As evidence, he pointed to the poor reputations of the conditions of Nauru and Manus Island which still did not serve as deterrents. The man says he made up to $40,000 per boat he smuggled but he has now stopped organising boat departures and instead handles the money transfers. He says his links stretch back through a network that spans Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Dubai, Malaysia and Indonesia. The smuggler says any policy of turning boats back may have a small impact, but he doubted it would have any long-term effect because it was impossible to police and people would keep trying to get through. In addition, he said making refugee status harder to attain once in Australia would also not deter asylum seekers. But he did say arresting all the people smugglers might work, but since they bribe local Indonesian authorities they would not get arrested. If authorities could shut down the borders to Malaysia and Indonesia, he said, that may block the passage to Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-18/smuggler-warns-government-policies-wont-halt-asylum-seekers/4829144

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The Indonesian justice minister has signed a letter that will make it harder for people from Iran to enter the country, a move which could slow the flow of people on their way to seeking asylum in Australia. Indonesia's justice and human rights department has confirmed the signing of what is in effect a ministerial decree that will stop people from Iran obtaining a visa on arrival. The minister, Amir Syamsuddin, has told the ABC the changes follow a request from Prime Minister Kevin Rudd last week. A spokeswoman for Mr Rudd says the Prime Minister specifically mentioned Iranian arrivals during his recent discussions with Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. She says any action to tighten the arrangements is welcome. Indonesia's visa system allows citizens from more than 60 countries to arrive in the country, pay a $US25 fee, and receive a visa for 30 days. It is not yet known when the restriction on Iranians will take effect. Indonesia is a transit destination for people on their way to Australia to seek asylum, with thousands taking the risky boat ride. At the end of June, 12 per cent of people registered with the UN's refugee agency in Indonesia were from Iran. Foreign Minister Bob Carr has said a large number of asylum seekers arriving in Australia, particularly those from Iran, are "economic migrants" rather than genuine refugees. Closer look at visa regimes Earlier this month Mr Yudhoyono and Mr Rudd announced a regional conference to discuss people smuggling. At a later address to the National Press Club, Mr Rudd said one of the advantages to be achieved through such a conference was to examine regional visa regimes. "That is, visas and regimes which allow too easy access to various countries in the region," he said. The Prime Minister has said he wants to tighten refugee processing laws and has flagged that he may seek changes to the United Nations' 1951 Refugee Convention. On Wednesday night the Australian Navy rescued another 120 asylum seekers after their boat got into trouble near Christmas Island. Just a day earlier four people drowned when their boat capsized in rough seas. An international policy expert says Mr Rudd's chances of changing the refugee convention are slim to none. Professor William Maley, director of the Asia Pacific College of Diplomacy at the Australian National University, says Mr Rudd has very limited scope to change the text of the document. Coalition vows to wage war on people smugglers The Opposition's immigration spokesman, meanwhile, has declared Australia must wage a war against people smugglers. Scott Morrison has accused the Government of being all talk and no action on stemming the flow of boats. VIDEO: Scott Morrison describes 'war against people smuggling' (7.30) He has told 7.30 that if the Coalition was elected it would put in place deterrence measures at every opportunity. "We will stop the boats because we will respond to the situation that we're presented with and that is our resolve," he said. "This is a war against people smuggling and you've got to approach it on that basis. "We will not cease until it's done. Kevin Rudd does not believe you can stop the boats." Mr Morrison said the Coalition has not ruled out withdrawing from the refugee convention. "If you were to withdraw from the convention, it wouldn't take effect for a year, that's the process. "What we think we have to do immediately is things that have an impact right now, and that is turning boats back where it's safe to do so, it is temporary protection visas, it is expanded regional offshore processing."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-18/indonesia-to-change-visa-requirements-for-iranians/4829434

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

Belgium takes in 50,000+ asylum seekers and refugees each year, and Belgium is smaller and less wealthy than Australia. Poor old Australia can't take in a couple thousand asylum seekers from regions of the world where our defense forces are engaged. Poor poor racist Australia. Where is our humanity?

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Top ten most popular names in the Antwerp province: Boys: Mohamed (109), Noah (96), Seppe (96), Daan (95), Kobe (94), Robbe (91), Senne (85), Alexander (84), Lars (77) and Thomas (76)

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Top ten most popular names in the Brussels Region: Boys: Mohamed (236), Adam (194), Rayan (95), Ayoub (77), Gabriel (73), Alexandre (62), Anas (59), Hamza (59), Nathan (58) and Amine (57)

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Belgium deserves all the problems it gets from its self-defeating, self-obliterating, culturally suicidal immigration program. I hope the Muslims wipe the floor with them.

This is what happens to a country when the liberals and the trendies are in charge of policy ~ and the idiotic indigenous population lets itself be led by the nose down the path to their own annihilation.

The only difference here is there aren't any smoke stacks like there was at Auschwitz.

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

fine, suggest it to Tony .....  but until we suspend our UN membership, we stick to the agreement we signed

The Australian Constitution trumps any other document in my opinion.

salad in wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:48pm: fine, suggest it to Tony .....  but until we suspend our UN membership, we stick to the agreement we signed The Australian Constitution trumps any other document in my opinion.

It's actually not very well known, but our so-called 'Agreements' with the UN are not binding in law.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

salad in wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:13pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:48pm: fine, suggest it to Tony .....  but until we suspend our UN membership, we stick to the agreement we signed The Australian Constitution trumps any other document in my opinion. It's actually not very well known, but our so-called 'Agreements' with the UN are not binding in law.

Half true.  They are binding until we renounce them.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 12:50pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 8:00pm: Another way to stop the boats: Cease all offshore processing. Provide decent accommodation and encourage citizens, perhaps from service clubs, to mentor refugees, assisting them to learn the language and culture. Set a definite period for processing, with a court order required if the period needs to exceeded. Make the decision open to one appeal. Work through the UN to persuade countries like Sri Lanka to stop terrorising their own populations. Work with UN, Interpol and Indonesians to track down and incarcerate people smugglers. Simple, workable and, above all, humane. And meanwhile, encourage boats to keep coming, risk capsizing off Christmas Island, and watch more men, women and children drowning at sea. The time's gone for onshore processing and allowing the boats to keep coming. The death toll's now over a thousand - that we know of. There is no humanity in a refugee policy that, for all its good intentions, rewards people who get to Australia by boat. If you send those who get to Australia home, they risk further persecution. If you don't, they keep coming to Australia and risk drowning at sea. It seems to me that the risk of persecution back in Sri Lanka or Iran is less than the risk of travelling to Christmas Island on ill-equipped fishing boats. I don't know this (and each case is unique), but it's now clear what the risk of people smuggling vessels is. If Australia needs to amend the Refugee Treaty to save lives at sea, this seems far more humane to me. White Australia policy re packed. Belgium takes in 50,000+ asylum seekers and refugees each year, and Belgium is smaller and less wealthy than Australia. Poor old Australia can't take in a couple thousand asylum seekers from regions of the world where our defense forces are engaged. Poor poor racist Australia. Where is our humanity?

Check out the road which Belgium is heading down.
We don't want to go there.

Cheeses, you guys are thick. Drunk on media legalese.
Visa = a permit to enter a country for a DEFINED period. Meaning? Every visa has a 'enter no later than' date. SO a visa is not for just any time to enter a country. It;s not open ended. Do you follow so far or is it getting too complex?

Ok, if you are still with us - you enter within the defined period. The visa is for a specific period. Meaning?
You need to depart within that period. And here's the kicker - they need to know you have departed (ie you need to check out) otherwise all they can see in their databases is that you have entered but have not departed within the terms of your visa. Meaning? Meaning you are illegally in Indonesia (or wherever)
And this is where the thirdy-worldy/corrupt/lazy/malicious aspect of the Indo system comes into it. They KNOW that they do not have thousands of Iranian or Afghan or Paki visa overstayers. They KNOW these fvckers have taken to illegal boats.

Illegal? Yes. You try to walk through an airport departure lounge and say you do not need to present passport or visa or ticket, you're just going to walk right through that door and go. Or do that at a sea port. You fvckn try.`

But they bleat and plead and pretend that it is too hard. Indonesia is a corrupt and dishonest place. They pervert their own rules for bakshish.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

Belgium takes in 50,000+ asylum seekers and refugees each year, and Belgium is smaller and less wealthy than Australia.

According to the UNHCR Asylum applications in Belgium in

2008 was 12250
2009 was 17190
2010 was 21760
2011 was 26000
2012 was 18520

Page 20  http://unhcr.org/asylumtrends/UNHCR%20ASYLUM%20TRENDS%202012_WEB.pdf

And as an aside, those figures include repeat applications. 

Where are you getting 50 thousand plus per year and over what years and a reference. 

salad in wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:48pm: fine, suggest it to Tony .....  but until we suspend our UN membership, we stick to the agreement we signed The Australian Constitution trumps any other document in my opinion.

you sign a contract, you stick to it ... you cannot cry that your deal with your wife is more important after you sign it. If they were worried about the Australian Constitution, they shouldn't haven't agreed to the UN treaty

I had a friend who was married to an indian woman in meghalaya for 5 years. Then he wanted to come home for a visit and the aussie govt wouldn't let her come. Not even on a tourist visa. Seriously.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

The devil is in the detail, SOB. What reason did they give for refusing her entry?

The truth, now.  8-)

Let's have it one more time, please.

My head is spinning, I can hardly believe an Australian prime minister has actually had the balls to thumb his nose at Political Correctness and the 'International Community' ~ and go ahead with this plan to stop Australia being rorted any further by these deceitful jet-setting Muslims from the Middle East.

I can't wait to hear Malcolm Fraser's reaction to this. It's going to be a beauty ~ a real lulu. Ever since Fraser reinvented himself to be The Conscience of Australia and An Elder Statesman of Global Importance, he's been tut-tutting and wagging his finger at any political decisions that don't pander to the ethnic minorities.

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Any plan that slows down the increase in the percentage of Muslims in Australia has to be a good thing.
   

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:52am:

The devil is in the detail, SOB. What reason did they give for refusing her entry? The truth, now.  8-)

i dont know. What do you think was the reason?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

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Enough is enough. Australians are thoroughly tired of hearing about Muslims rioting and destroying taxpayer-funded property, and sewing their lips up, and chucking their children overboard, and then still being unemployed 5 years after they've been given citizenship.

This ridiculous circus has gone on long enough.

Rudd will now go down in the history books as an Australian PM who reinvented himself to look after Australia's interests first before that of foreigners.

Alas, the High Court still has to be heard from, and if past experience is anything to go by, then it's not hopeful.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/rudd3_zps204ed5d5.png Enough is enough. Australians are thoroughly tired of hearing about Muslims rioting and destroying taxpayer-funded property, and sewing their lips up, and chucking their children overboard, and then still being unemployed 5 years after they've been given citizenship. This ridiculous circus has gone on long enough. Rudd will now go down in the history books as an Australian PM who reinvented himself to look after Australia's interests first before that of foreigners. Alas, the High Court still has to be heard from, and if past experience is anything to go by, then it's not hopeful.

yep lets dump them in Port Moresby... a shining example of a city for the future..

shows how much we really care about their welfare doesnt it??..

its weird all this backflipping has got us all mixed up.... will pscho ever stop spinning???? :D

not until after the election anyway..


we on the right are supposed to be happy as this is supposed to STOP THE BOATS>.

but what about our friends from the dark side. who pretend its all about saving lives and being humane..???...

are they not just a little concerned about the violence in PNG...they dont really get along with each other...so god knows what they will think of the Boat people..

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:52am: The devil is in the detail, SOB. What reason did they give for refusing her entry? The truth, now.  8-) i dont know. What do you think was the reason? SOB

... umm ..... ?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/curry_zps828d14c1.png  8-)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:36am:

I had a friend who was married to an indian woman in meghalaya for 5 years. Then he wanted to come home for a visit and the aussie govt wouldn't let her come. Not even on a tourist visa. Seriously. SOB

Probably because they found out that these people knew you.

Makes sense. It the Stop the SOBs policy.

Here's the Leftwing being fully exposed for the two-faced hypocrites that they are.

"Screw Australia with the introduction of Muslims? ~ No worries!".

But do the same to New Guinea? ~ and there's a problem. Suddenly the joys of Multiculturalism don't seem so advisable after all.


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