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General Discussion >> Thinking Globally >> The REFUGEE "push factor" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374183181 Message started by buzzanddidj on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:33am |
Title: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:33am More than 45.1 million people were displaced last year, the largest number since 1994 according to the latest UNHCR report The total number of people forcibly displaced worldwide has reached 45.2m people, the highest level in almost 20 years, according to a report published today by the UN's High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR). The annual 'Global Trends' report shows that as of the end of 2012, more than 45.2m people were forcibly displaced compared with 42.5m at the end of 2011. Mark Tran writes today: Quote:
In its global trends report (pdf), UNHCR said more than 45.1 million people were displaced last year, the largest number since 1994. This includes 15.4 million refugees, 937,000 asylum seekers, and 28.8 million internally displaced people (IDPs) – those forced to find refuge within the borders of their own countries. Around 35.8m persons were of concern to the UNHCR by end 2012, the second highest number on record, according to their latest report. The highest figure since 1993, when recording keeping began, was in 2009 with 36.5m persons of concern. Collectively referred to as "persons of concern", the term used by the UNHCR includes refugees, asylum-seekers,returnees, stateless persons and certain groups of internally displaced persons (IDPs). http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/jun/19/refugees-unhcr-statistics-data#data |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:45am Addressing reporters near Rockhampton on Thursday, Mr Abbott said that Mr Rudd was making excuses about the asylum seeker issue. ''I say to Mr Rudd: stop making excuses, stop trying to say this is the world's problem, it's not. It's our problem and we need to take the appropriate action in this country, by this country, for this country to stop the boats and we need to do it now,'' Mr Abbott said. http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/boats-our-problem-not-the-worlds-tony-abbott-20130718-2q5r1.html#ixzz2ZR4IDGw4 |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:56am
Well Tony is right, Boat people headed for Australia are Australia's problem and we have to do something about it. As for the displaced people of the world, well that's another issue.
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Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:58am
hey comprehension seems a problem with the lefties.
HE DID SAY...'BOAT' PEOPLE most world refugees do not travel by BOAT. I grant you there are many and I find it stran ge that you admit that.. yet you dont seem to mind 45000...jumping ahead because they have enough money to get to Java and then even more money to pay people smugglers... sorry if I find that strange!!! rudd want the UN to make his life easier...again I find that strange.. when I havent seen him demand the UN stop whats happening in SYRIA. I would think that was even more important than stopping the BOATS. its pure genocide...RWANDA will pall in contrast |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:59am BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:56am:
NO according to the oracle its a world problem. they all travel by BOAT! they dont care what they say as long as they get their emperor off the hook.. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:12am cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:58am:
I don't There are NO limits to what a man will go to - to protect his family Even when the risk of drowning at sea is the best and safest option for survival |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:18am buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:12am:
didnt expect anything different anything to protect the emperor.. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by philperth2010 on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:20am BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:56am:
Then why is Abbott saying he will tow boats back to Indonesia.....Isn't it Australia's problem and not anyone elses....It is also a fact that not all boats come from Indonesia and the asylum seekers on board are not Indonesian.....How is this Indonesia's problem??? :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:25am philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:20am:
You saying Indonesia has a problem accepting their own boats? |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by alevine on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:35am cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:18am:
Cods this isn't about protecting Rudd, and I wish you would understand. Desperate people DO desperate things. Including life risking things. Which is why we must do more on the push factors as well as the whole world needing to do more. And in the interim it's why we must work with Indonesia and our region on a humane and reasonable solution. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:15am Quote:
Apparently the BIGGEST issue in the forthcoming Federal Election is not a matter for discussion in an AUSTRALIAN "politics" section - and is best hidden - and left to DIE - HERE ? |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Herbert on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:19am philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:20am:
Wrong question. Why doesn't Australia make it Indonesia's problem that they give these people 30-Day Visas when they arrive at Djakarta airport with the obvious intention of sailing for Australia? The extraordinary truth is that despite years of the Indonesian authorities facilitating the people-smuggling industry ~ Australia has done absolutely zip to punish them in any way. On the contrary, while our feeble-minded politicians are donating millions each year to Indonesia in Foreign Aid, the Indonesian authorities are meanwhile sponsoring a people-smuggling operation that costs us a further few billion dollars in managing this invasion. One can only guess at the deep contempt the Indonesian leadership must feel for our politicians. And then to add insult to injury, the Indonesians hold Schapelle Corby hostage WAY after they've released the imam who was the 'spiritual leader' of the Bali bombers. I think it might be time for a bit of no-nonsense talk with the Indonesian authorities ~ and if anyone can do that it will be Abbott. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:21am buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:15am:
The biggest issue? Not the tanking economy or the rising levels of debt? But a bunch of third worlders and their leaky boats?? Not a priority in my house. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Yadda on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:29am
If a homeless person knocks on my door,
if i open my door, and if the homeless person walks past me, and sits down in my lounge room, in my house, and declares; "I live here too, now. Where is the kitchen, and where is my bedroom?", what should i do ? What rights do i have ? Ask Sarah Hanson-Young. Something to ponder..... "Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Yadda on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:48am Yadda wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:29am:
What if the police [who you summoned], told you that they [and you] cannot lawfully evict your unwelcome 'guest', because to evict him would be an infingement of his human rights ? p.s. And why don't we demand that the government abolish banks, and demand that the wealth of the nation be distributed to all of the citizens - instead of allowing banks, and wealthy individuals, to hoard all of the national wealth ? Surely, that would be fairer, than the present setup ? |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Yadda on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:51am Yadda wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:48am:
Q. Do you like how lawlessness works ? :P |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:57am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:21am:
The economy is among the most ROBUST in the WORLD Quote:
The level of STIMULUS debt is among the LOWEST in the WORLD ( ... the embattled Abbott LibNats may try and MAKE it a "big issue" - but in REALITY, it ISN'T - aside from a lob well done) |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Karnal on Jul 19th, 2013 at 11:03am buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:12am:
How could that be true? How could it be safer to leave dry land in Indonesia and risk the journey to Christmas Island - hoping and praying a naval vessel picks them up along the way? And if not, a mayday signal somewhere close to Christmas Island usually does it. After over one thousand deaths that we know of, how can anyone say that this is a safer option than biding time in Indonesia, or any of the other refugee centres and camps around the world? We place limits on risk-taking behaviour all the time - that's what civil society does. If there are no limits to what someone will do to protect their family, we need to impose them. That is the humane option. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jul 19th, 2013 at 12:43pm
We'll just ignore that debt has increased 334% under the ALP terms, the AUD has gone from 1.09 to 0.88 in just over 1 quarter of trading, that job losses have increased, that multi-nationals are leaving Australia because of its high cost of employment.....
Right you are - let's all pretend everything is fantastic. How did that budget prediction of a $1.5 bn surplus go for 2013? $20 billion deficit wasn't it? :) |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by froggie on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:58pm BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:56am:
Tony's a nut-job! Even you would recognise Turnbull as a better alternative to Abbott. The fact that you will probably vote for a B-grade leader says a lot. ;) |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:31pm
The Rudd push factor ...i
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Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:31pm:
That's a Labor 'suck' factor, not a push one. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:03pm
Saw a cute blonde reffo on the news, where the f#ck is she fleeing from, Sweden?, anyway Rudd can keep that one, she can stay at my place and do my dishes. 8-)
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Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm
Sending poofs to PNG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKwwcCpa2Ag |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by pansi1951 on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 3:31pm
Postcards from PNG
Looks similar to how our Indigenous people live. Could you send unaccompanied children to this? http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/png-scenes-from-the-settlements/663/ |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Ubermensch on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 5:14pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 3:31pm:
Making negative assertions about brown people are we? What a racist! |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 5:47pm
Filthy f#ckin animals ... the mussies should fit right in.
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Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by pansi1951 on Jul 24th, 2013 at 6:38am Did anyone watch Dateline last night? Horrific allegations. Immigration Minister Tony Burke said he was unaware. Let's see what he does because the situation is unacceptable. Former detention manager and whistle-blower, Rod St George explains why he quit. "In Australia the facilities couldn't even serve as a dog kennel. The owners would be jailed." “I’ve never seen human beings so destitute, so helpless and so hopeless before,” he tells Mark, as he describes repeated instances of rape and sexual abuse between asylum seekers with the full knowledge of staff. With no facilities to segregate or remove the abusers, Mark hears of the desperation for those continually being abused while waiting months for their asylum applications to be processed… St George says attempted suicides and self-harming are now an ‘almost daily’ occurrence. Read the transcript here: http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/about/id/601700/n/Manus-Whistleblower I will continue to ignore your stupidity misty :) |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Ubermensch on Jul 24th, 2013 at 11:45am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 6:38am:
Asylum seekers raping and assaulting other asylum seekers. Hang on, I thought these people were all good people, so the international socialists keep telling us. Somehow this will get turned around and Australians will be to blame - I see see it a mile off. |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Innocent bystander on Jul 24th, 2013 at 12:39pm
Its hardly surprising, there aren't too many young boys in Afghanistan without a sore arse, child rapists and clit manglers make great citizens though according to the left.
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Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Generation X on Jul 25th, 2013 at 3:27pm
World war 3 will fix the problem
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Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by Generation X on Jul 25th, 2013 at 3:31pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 3:31pm:
Looks peaceful, better then where they were and its free. I'm all for it |
Title: Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Post by chicken_lipsforme on Aug 4th, 2013 at 9:00am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 3:31pm:
It looks very peaceful, particularly of the man relaxing himself on his porch. Considering where the country shoppers are coming from, your pictures would be a luxury to these people. Not everyone lives in a 3 bedroom brick home you know. |
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