WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!!!!

Rudd has just  announced on television that all boat arrivals would now be transferred to New Guinea. This follows an agreement drawn up with the Prime Minister of New Guinea.

So now Rudd can announce that he has stopped the boats.

HOWEVER; this needs thinking through. Rudd would have given an iron clad guarantee that  associated with the upkeep and maintenance of the boat arrivals would be underwritten by you the Australian Taxpayer; further, you can bet London to a Brick that there would be a heavy 'pick up' for New Guinea on top of the substantial aid money that this Country gives it.

It would have to be a huge 'kicker' for the New Guinea Government to give the nod to this one.

The Wizard of Oz has done it again, smoke and mirrors and whallah...the boats disappear, at least their occupants do, to New Guinea but the financial cost of this is going to be enormous and I will be tub thumping to find out how many billions of Australian Tax Dollars are tied up with this latest sleight of hand.

What a load of rubbish...what a load of rubbish..load of rubbish!

PS (Apologies speller in header, can't edit it)

this guy has done more backflips than a circus clown...

who knows what he stands for...

who can trust anything he says...

if you vote for him, greens or independents you deserve what you get...

and so far... that's 300 Billion in debt... and counting  >:(

this is the labor version of TURNING BACK THE BOATS..  wonder how much we now have to pay PNG...look out Norfolk Island. you could be next.

No self respecting country shopper would want a bar of being resettled in Papua.
This may just work.

you guys can never be happy, can you? 

Are their Centrelinks in PNG?, I don't think their is, the boat people will not be happy about this, they may sue. 

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

this is the labor version of TURNING BACK THE BOATS..  wonder how much we now have to pay PNG...look out Norfolk Island. you could be next.

You do know where Norfolk Island is, yes Cods?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:24pm:

you guys can never be happy, can you?

We were happy when the sane where in charge  ;)

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

No self respecting country shopper would want a bar of being resettled in Papua. This may just work.

well the key is those who, like you say, are "country shopping" for Australia have just been told you can't do it by boat. That avenue is now completely, 100% closed.  It's worse than Tony's turning back the boats. It guarantees no one can get here by boat.

and on top of that INdonesia just made it harder for Iran people to get visas.

So... .... without wanting to speak too soon, you ppl still think "psycho" can't do anything?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:24pm:

you guys can never be happy, can you?

I'm estatic alevine.
In fact, I'm going to raise a toast to KRudd for finally growing a pair.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:24pm: you guys can never be happy, can you?  I'm estatic alevine. In fact, I'm going to raise a toast to KRudd for finally growing a pair.

good to hear chick.

I want deaths to stop happening at sea. ANd I'm hopeful this is the "local" solution, and the regional of better processing in Indonesia is still to come.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:30pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:24pm: you guys can never be happy, can you?  I'm estatic alevine. In fact, I'm going to raise a toast to KRudd for finally growing a pair. good to hear chick. I want deaths to stop happening at sea. ANd I'm hopeful this is the "local" solution, and the regional of better processing in Indonesia is still to come.

This I believe is the best chance Rudd has of pulling the Ruddmat out from under the people smugglers and break their business model.
This should then stop the country shoppers in their tracks, and the genuine refugees should then access legal  and safer UNHCR processes.
Abbotts not happy, I understand that.
But only because he wants to be the one to fix this issue.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

No self respecting country shopper would want a bar of being resettled in Papua. This may just work.

Exactly what I thought. Kevvy has buggered phony tony goooood. Too funny. ;D ;D :D

Latest news - Tony Abbott welcomes this announcement.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:30pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:24pm: you guys can never be happy, can you?  I'm estatic alevine. In fact, I'm going to raise a toast to KRudd for finally growing a pair. good to hear chick. I want deaths to stop happening at sea. ANd I'm hopeful this is the "local" solution, and the regional of better processing in Indonesia is still to come.

What of the ramification globally.

Australia has dumped the UN convention, others will follow and so people will be bulldozed over borders so to be ethically cleansed.

Labor supporters have created the situation where mass murder will be more common across the globe.

Well done hard labor for selling out vulnerable people across the planet.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Latest news - Tony Abbott welcomes this announcement.

BWAAAAA, Kevvy owns phoney gain. Abbott must have a sore bottom.

Rudds smarter than I thought, first he creates an appalling mess, then he fixes his own appalling mess and comes out looking like a person that can fix an appalling mess all the while quite rightly counting on the f#ckwittery of the electorate to forget he created the appalling mess in the first place  ;D

skippy. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:44pm: Latest news - Tony Abbott welcomes this announcement. BWAAAAA, Kevvy owns phoney gain. Abbott must have a sore bottom.

Tony has just lost the election.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:44pm: Latest news - Tony Abbott welcomes this announcement. BWAAAAA, Kevvy owns phoney gain. Abbott must have a sore bottom. Tony has just lost the election.

Time is now for the coalition to do the quickest ever assassination and promote Turnbull by yesterday.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:24pm:

you guys can never be happy, can you?

Rule 1. Never cheer the other team.

____ wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:49pm: skippy. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:44pm: Latest news - Tony Abbott welcomes this announcement. BWAAAAA, Kevvy owns phoney gain. Abbott must have a sore bottom. Tony has just lost the election. Time is now for the coalition to do the quickest ever assassination and promote Turnbull by yesterday.

The Libbos are on the back foot.
Everything has changed.

Rudd is the man who can lead us out of the wilderness.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:52pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:49pm: skippy. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:44pm: Latest news - Tony Abbott welcomes this announcement. BWAAAAA, Kevvy owns phoney gain. Abbott must have a sore bottom. Tony has just lost the election. Time is now for the coalition to do the quickest ever assassination and promote Turnbull by yesterday. The Libbos are on the back foot. Everything has changed. Rudd is the man who can lead us out of the wilderness.

Yet where is he leading you?

If Kevin Rudd wins the election he'll probably end up dismantling this plan like he did with John Howard's Pacific Solution and it'll be back to 'business as usual' for the people smugglers.

Carl D wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

If Kevin Rudd wins the election he'll probably end up dismantling this plan like he did with John Howard's Pacific Solution and it'll be back to 'business as usual' for the people smugglers.

SMELL THE FEAR
TOO FUNNY. ;D

____ wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:32pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:30pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:24pm: you guys can never be happy, can you?  I'm estatic alevine. In fact, I'm going to raise a toast to KRudd for finally growing a pair. good to hear chick. I want deaths to stop happening at sea. ANd I'm hopeful this is the "local" solution, and the regional of better processing in Indonesia is still to come. What of the ramification globally. Australia has dumped the UN convention, others will follow and so people will be bulldozed over borders so to be ethically cleansed. Labor supporters have created the situation where mass murder will be more common across the globe. Well done hard labor for selling out vulnerable people across the planet.

WTF???
What of the ramifications globally?
How about a country shopper tax?
Can't save the planet Green.
Australia has done nothing to dump the UN convention.
We will still take our 13,000 real refugees annually, the rest will have to access standard UNHCR processes just like everyone else.
And who gives a crap about the country shoppers.
Rudd has finally recognised that many of those arriving by boat are 'economic migrants', or country shoppers after all these years.
Rudd finally admits Ray Hadley and Alan Jones has been right all these years.
Rudd recognises his disastrous mistake in dismantling the working Coalition's policy.
Rudd has removed BB's willy from his botty.
Rudd has grown a pair, and now has a policy that rips the Ruddmat out from under the smugglers.
Green, can you hear the wailing of S.H.Y and Milne.
I can.
It's beautiful.

Rudd doesn't recognise any of that shi t chook, Rudd recognises this will win him the election. He has Abbotts ass now, Abbott is gone.

Carl D wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

If Kevin Rudd wins the election he'll probably end up dismantling this plan like he did with John Howard's Pacific Solution and it'll be back to 'business as usual' for the people smugglers.

Unlikely.

The reason Mr Rudd was assassinated by labor was because they realised what sort of person he is.
In the long run, Rudd could be the destroyer of the party.

skippy. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Carl D wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:59pm: If Kevin Rudd wins the election he'll probably end up dismantling this plan like he did with John Howard's Pacific Solution and it'll be back to 'business as usual' for the people smugglers. SMELL THE FEAR TOO FUNNY. ;D

Errr don't you mean smell reality?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:45pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:32pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:30pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:24pm: you guys can never be happy, can you?  I'm estatic alevine. In fact, I'm going to raise a toast to KRudd for finally growing a pair. good to hear chick. I want deaths to stop happening at sea. ANd I'm hopeful this is the "local" solution, and the regional of better processing in Indonesia is still to come. What of the ramification globally. Australia has dumped the UN convention, others will follow and so people will be bulldozed over borders so to be ethically cleansed. Labor supporters have created the situation where mass murder will be more common across the globe. Well done hard labor for selling out vulnerable people across the planet. WTF??? What of the ramifications globally? How about a country shopper tax? Can't save the planet Green. Australia has done nothing to dump the UN convention. We will still take our 13,000 real refugees annually, the rest will have to access standard UNHCR processes just like everyone else. And who gives a crap about the country shoppers. Rudd has finally recognised that many of those arriving by boat are 'economic migrants', or country shoppers after all these years. Rudd finally admits Ray Hadley and Alan Jones has been right all these years. Rudd recognises his disastrous mistake in dismantling the working Coalition's policy. Rudd has removed BB's willy from his botty. Rudd has grown a pair, and now has a policy that rips the Ruddmat out from under the smugglers. Green, can you hear the wailing of S.H.Y and Milne. I can. It's beautiful.

The ramifications are obvious
Rudd wants to lead the revolt of countries against protecting vulnerable peoples.

He has already stated the UN convention is in his sight.

No UN Refugee Convention = Mass Murder on a global scale.

What a load of BS.

As a refugee, you need to APPLY to be resettled in any country. If you do not apply to PNG, Australia, Denmark, whatever, they can't re-settle you there.


This is just a stupid, stupid stunt from a stupid koont klown.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:00pm: Carl D wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:59pm: If Kevin Rudd wins the election he'll probably end up dismantling this plan like he did with John Howard's Pacific Solution and it'll be back to 'business as usual' for the people smugglers. SMELL THE FEAR TOO FUNNY. ;D Errr don't you mean smell reality?

No, that stench is fear, the loony fringe are being bent over by Rudd and the precious has well and truly slipped out of phony Tonys grasp. Abbott will never be PM now, and that is all I give a sh it about. Hopefully the Libs are smart enough to work it out too and dump Abbott for Turnbull so the country has a real choice at the next election.

I can't celebrate this treatment of desperate people like a political football.

Rudd has ditched core Labor principles here of helping those down on their luck.

If so called ALP voters support this move, then shame on them.

Morals and principles clearly mean nothing.

skippy. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Hopefully the Libs are smart enough to work it out too and dump Abbott for Turnbull so the country has a real choice at the next election.

Time people woke up and realised that elections aren't just another episode of Big brother where the smiliest motherf#cker wins.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

I can't celebrate this treatment of desperate people like a political football. Rudd has ditched core Labor principles here of helping those down on their luck. If so called ALP voters support this move, then shame on them. Morals and principles clearly mean nothing.

LOL LOL LOL SMELL THE FEAR, TOO FUNNY. ;D ;D ;D

For once I agree with Hicks


Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block.

Hail Adolf Rudd

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

I can't celebrate this treatment of desperate people like a political football. Rudd has ditched core Labor principles here of helping those down on their luck. If so called ALP voters support this move, then shame on them. Morals and principles clearly mean nothing.

If it stops them getting onto boats....and still gives them a place to go to if they risk it.....nothing wrong with PNG is there........great.

Well done chick for admitting you're happy. 

The rest of you.  Youre pitiful.  You get no more of those pesky refugees who get the golden handshake, centrelink, salad bowls, housing, etc.  wtf are you complaining about now?  Pitiful.

Seriously?  When will you ever be happy?

skippy. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

Rudd doesn't recognise any of that shi t chook, Rudd recognises this will win him the election. He has Abbotts ass now, Abbott is gone.

Rudd does recognise what could win him the election.
And he has already admitted to Labor taking too long in addressing the country shopper issue.
And today Labor recognises that many who have arrived via smugglers boats are in fact economic migrants.
He might even get a favourable response from Alan and Ray on Monday morning if he's lucky.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:09pm: Hopefully the Libs are smart enough to work it out too and dump Abbott for Turnbull so the country has a real choice at the next election. Time people woke up and realised that elections aren't just another episode of Big brother where the smiliest motherf#cker wins.

This woke you up, did it?  Well done.

____ wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd

Yes correct woody.

I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias.

The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up.
Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it.

Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:30pm:

____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems?

How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Well done chick for admitting you're happy.  The rest of you.  Youre pitiful.  You get no more of those pesky refugees who get the golden handshake, centrelink, salad bowls, housing, etc.  wtf are you complaining about now?  Pitiful. Seriously?  When will you ever be happy?

I'll be happy when every one of the thousands of Australians living on the streets and in cars, etc. plus the tens of thousands waiting for years on public housing waiting lists all over the country have a safe, affordable roof over their heads.

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

If it stops them getting onto boats....and still gives them a place to go to if they risk it.....nothing wrong with PNG is there........great.

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

If it stops them getting onto boats....and still gives them a place to go to.....nothing wrong with PNG is there........great.

It has mosquitos apparently.  And this is a lefty objection.  ;D ;D I cannot believe the objections these wankers make. 

If nothing else this is revealing the true nature of the left.
They will not be happy until Australia has open borders and accepts everyone without exception.   

That is the left agenda. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention?

Labor isn't following the UN refugee convention so why should PNG.

Hey they can torture and kill the vulnerable people that labor shift into their concentration camps and who will complain.

Rusted on labor supporters ... where are your own individual moral compass.

Look what you are supporting.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention?

Indeed it is Mr Vine.

*bump*

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:30pm:

____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems?

But it's morally wrong that children who had no choice drown at sea.

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:21pm: I can't celebrate this treatment of desperate people like a political football. Rudd has ditched core Labor principles here of helping those down on their luck. If so called ALP voters support this move, then shame on them. Morals and principles clearly mean nothing. If it stops them getting onto boats....and still gives them a place to go to if they risk it.....nothing wrong with PNG is there........great.

It's just a fooken luvvly place.
Just luvvly.
Been there three times myself.
And it's just perfect for your average country shopper who trying to get smuggled into a nice soft western country like Australia.
Milne and S.H.Y forgot to mention the Highland people are still cannibals in their wailing tale about the downside of living in Papua.
They will suck the country shoppers brains out of their skulls with a straw before the country shoppers can line up for their free dinner.
It's also lovely enough to deter your average country shopper from paying $10 -$20 grand on a wasted trip.
And all the Greens wailing means nothing when the boats stop eh. :)

With all the gangs of rapists in New Guinea Im guessing it wont be long before the boats stop coming.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

With all the gangs of rapists in New Guinea Im guessing it wont be long before the boats stop coming.

Gangs of rapists, there's a million of them there.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? But it's morally wrong that children who had no choice drown at sea.

Are you suggestion these children should stay in camps and be sexually abused?

These people risk death from drowning because there are no other choice.

____ wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:36pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention? Labor isn't following the UN refugee convention so why should PNG. Hey they can torture and kill the vulnerable people that labor shift into their concentration camps and who will complain. Rusted on labor supporters ... where are your own individual moral compass. Look what you are supporting.

I back woody with this post of his here.

Seems moral compasses are very cheap these days.

Disgusting.

Whatever it takes? At any cost eh? What's a few desperate people eh?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:21pm: I can't celebrate this treatment of desperate people like a political football. Rudd has ditched core Labor principles here of helping those down on their luck. If so called ALP voters support this move, then shame on them. Morals and principles clearly mean nothing. If it stops them getting onto boats....and still gives them a place to go to if they risk it.....nothing wrong with PNG is there........great. It's just a fooken luvvly place. Just luvvly. Been there three times myself. And it's just perfect for your average country shopper who trying to get smuggled into a nice soft western country like Australia. Milne and S.H.Y forgot to mention the Highland people are still cannibals in their wailing tale about the downside of living in Papua. They will suck the country shoppers brains out of their skulls with a straw before the country shoppers can line up for their free dinner. It's also lovely enough to deter your average country shopper from paying $10 -$20 grand on a wasted trip. And all the Greens wailing means nothing when the boats stop eh. :)

The boat trafficers have won by making their business even more valuable. Higher prices for boats to New Zealand and bulk dead bodies washing up along Australia's shores.

Carl D wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: Well done chick for admitting you're happy.  The rest of you.  Youre pitiful.  You get no more of those pesky refugees who get the golden handshake, centrelink, salad bowls, housing, etc.  wtf are you complaining about now?  Pitiful. Seriously?  When will you ever be happy? I'll be happy when every one of the thousands of Australians living on the streets and in cars, etc. plus the tens of thousands waiting for years on public housing waiting lists all over the country have a safe, affordable roof over their heads.

So would I.  But interesting to choose to link this with asylum seekers given the 2 issues have no bearing on each other.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:36pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention? Labor isn't following the UN refugee convention so why should PNG. Hey they can torture and kill the vulnerable people that labor shift into their concentration camps and who will complain. Rusted on labor supporters ... where are your own individual moral compass. Look what you are supporting. I back woody with this post of his here. Seems moral compasses are very cheap these days. Disgusting. Whatever it takes? At any cost eh? What's a few desperate people eh?

You should read some of your old posts Andrei...moral outrage is hardly your bag.

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention? Indeed it is Mr Vine.

Why?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

So would I.  But interesting to choose to link this with asylum seekers given the 2 issues have no bearing on each other.

Really?

Every home used by an asylum seeker is one less home for an Australian. Can it be any simpler than that?

Unless someone has a magic wand that can produce homes out of thin air? But, even if someone could, these would still be homes that needy Australians should be living in.

Waste of time trying to discuss this issue anyway. It's been 'discussed' over and over again on this forum but some people just can't do the math, obviously.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:37pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention? Indeed it is Mr Vine. Why?

Click on the word in red.......'is.'

Carl D wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

[ I'll be happy when every one of the thousands of Australians living on the streets and in cars, etc. plus the tens of thousands waiting for years on public housing waiting lists all over the country have a safe, affordable roof over their heads.

Ha ha what Australia are you living in loser, this is the new Rudd/ALP Australia where people from the middle east that come here to retire on centrelink benefits get preference over the local trash in need.
Looking after your local bums won't get you a job at the UN after politics but turning your country into a retirement village for middle eastern dregs sure will.   :D

____ wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:38pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:21pm: I can't celebrate this treatment of desperate people like a political football. Rudd has ditched core Labor principles here of helping those down on their luck. If so called ALP voters support this move, then shame on them. Morals and principles clearly mean nothing. If it stops them getting onto boats....and still gives them a place to go to if they risk it.....nothing wrong with PNG is there........great. It's just a fooken luvvly place. Just luvvly. Been there three times myself. And it's just perfect for your average country shopper who trying to get smuggled into a nice soft western country like Australia. Milne and S.H.Y forgot to mention the Highland people are still cannibals in their wailing tale about the downside of living in Papua. They will suck the country shoppers brains out of their skulls with a straw before the country shoppers can line up for their free dinner. It's also lovely enough to deter your average country shopper from paying $10 -$20 grand on a wasted trip. And all the Greens wailing means nothing when the boats stop eh. :) The boat trafficers have won by making their business even more valuable. Higher prices for boats to New Zealand and bulk dead bodies washing up along Australia's shores.

The NZ PM has already stated before that these people are not welcome in NZ.
Don't worry  about bulk dead bodies washing up on our shores.
We will have a lot of fat sharks coasting off our beaches though.
The smugglers win nothing.

____ wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:36pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention? Labor isn't following the UN refugee convention so why should PNG. Hey they can torture and kill the vulnerable people that labor shift into their concentration camps and who will complain. Rusted on labor supporters ... where are your own individual moral compass. Look what you are supporting.

My largest problem with this is that it still doesn't address the issue of the asylum seekers stuck in Indonesia without a legal framework. Yes, I want to see a regional solution that tackles this.  And yes I think given 42 million people were displace last year we as Australia must do more than our measly 20,000.  In fact I think the ultimate solution is that the refugee convention should be rewritten to allow the UNHCR to set the targets, and not the host country. For its obvious no one is doing enough. 

But when it comes to the issue of "boat people." is this solution better than turning boats around?  Yes, and the reason is that if asylum seekers still get onto a boat, at least they'll end up in a country which is a signatory, and not back in Indonesia where they are stuck to no end.  And will the asylum seeker be safe from harm in png?  According to them being a signatory, the answer is yes, they will be safer than in their country of origin or a transit like indonesia.

And on top of that, the incentive of Australia is gone.  So the idea that people would risk their lives at sea and we see more deaths is minimised.

Do I think it's a great solution?  No, for it misses the mark on Indonesia.  Do I think it's better than tuning boats back?  F*ck yes!!  And don't forget that the regional talks are still to come, so I'm sure this isn't the full and complete policy on asylum seekers.

And as for the greens; the argument for onshore detention or for simply letting people get on a boat via people smugglers has shown that this is the inhumane policy. With 42 million displaced people, an orderly process must exist to help as many a possible, and to stop the unnecessary death.  Does Rudds policy hit the mark?  No, but it's sure better than the liberals true hard right policy, and the greens blinkering over the issue. 

Instead the greens could be advocating for an increase in the "quota" and could be advocating for better work overseas in the problem area or with transit nations.  Instead you seem to think people dying while trying to escape persecution is ok.

So please don't tell me that my moral compass isn't there for my moral compass
tells me > 1000 deaths at sea is not something I want to see happen. 

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:49pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:37pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:30pm: ____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 6:24pm: For once I agree with Hicks Labor supporters are the new fascist on the block. Hail Adolf Rudd Yes correct woody. I am no voter for Abbott or the Liberals and call it straight as I see it without bias. The hard shift to the Right by Rudd is shameful as he uses the bodies of desperate people to get a lift up. Its shame is only beaten by so called ALP supporters prepared to accept it. Morals come cheap these days in Australia it seems? How is this a shift to the hard right?  Is PNG a signatory to the refugee convention? Indeed it is Mr Vine. Why? Click on the word in red.......'is.'

Oh, my apologies I misunderstood, Aussie.

What a deal KRudd has struck with Papua New Guinea.

In one fell swoop he has stopped the boats.

The question that hangs in the air like a turd in a chamber pot; is how much this is going to cost the Australian taxpayer.

Believe me when I tell you that the 12 billion spent by Labor in the last 4 years will pale into insignificance compared to what we will have to shell out to keep Papua's Government onside with this cosy arrangement.

I hope the Liberals hammer Labor on the financial side of the deal because it is going to cost us MEGA BUCKS.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

I can't celebrate this treatment of desperate people like a political football. Rudd has ditched core Labor principles here of helping those down on their luck. If so called ALP voters support this move, then shame on them. Morals and principles clearly mean nothing.

dam hypocrite .... you've been whinging about stopping asylum seekers for over a year, you didn't even mind towing back boats, and now that Rudd has announced something that may work you call him a sell out.

Tell me again how you are have no party allegiance ....  :D :D :D

red baron wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:05pm:

What a deal KRudd has struck with Papua New Guinea. In one fell swoop he has stopped the boats. The question that hangs in the air like a turd in a chamber pot; is how much this is going to cost the Australian taxpayer. Believe me when I tell you that the 12 billion spent by Labor in the last 4 years will pale into insignificance compared to what we will have to shell out to keep Papua's Government onside with this cosy arrangement. I hope the Liberals hammer Labor on the financial side of the deal because it is going to cost us MEGA BUCKS.

How much mr baron sir?  Is that the secret you're holding onto?  Yesterday you were upset that asylum seekers apparently get a golden handshake.  Today you're upset they won't be arrivin in Australia by boat anymore.

Less being a hypocrite mr baron sir, and less speculating.  If boats stop, how much will it cost?  You're asking, surely you know better than the libs who've ignored to ask the same thing.

As above all, would you prefer out navy gets into danger turning boats back, or spend time trying to rescue people who scuttle boats?  Is that what you want?

red baron wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:05pm:

What a deal KRudd has struck with Papua New Guinea. In one fell swoop he has stopped the boats. The question that hangs in the air like a turd in a chamber pot; is how much this is going to cost the Australian taxpayer. Believe me when I tell you that the 12 billion spent by Labor in the last 4 years will pale into insignificance compared to what we will have to shell out to keep Papua's Government onside with this cosy arrangement. I hope the Liberals hammer Labor on the financial side of the deal because it is going to cost us MEGA BUCKS.

Red, you've been whinging for months and months about stopping the boats, and now that Rudd announces something that may work, you are still whinging .... you haven't even seen the details yet and you are whinging about them. Grow up or shut up.

____ wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Time is now for the coalition to do the quickest ever assassination and promote Turnbull by yesterday.

no.. now is the time that your pea brain recalls why the Liberal Party dumped Turnbull in the first place...

THE Coalition and Malcolm Turnbull have received a devastating blow from the OzCar affair, with 53 per cent of voters saying they have a less favourable impression of the Opposition Leader as a result of it.

Mr Turnbull's approval rating has plunged a massive 11 points while disapproval soared by 13 points in the Age/Nielsen poll taken on Thursday to Saturday. The Coalition's two-party vote has slumped five points since May in the wake of Mr Turnbull's call for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's resignation, which backfired spectacularly.

The ALP now leads the Coalition 58 per cent to 42 per cent on a two-party basis, wiping out the Opposition's recent gains.

Mr Turnbull's disapproval rating is now at 60 per cent

every time some nincompoop says "bring back Turnbull" I feel like punching them square in their stupid face...

they got rid of him for a reason..

not rocket surgery...  :o

From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting.

Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption.

All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe.

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

What a load of BS. As a refugee, you need to APPLY to be resettled in any country. If you do not apply to PNG, Australia, Denmark, whatever, they can't re-settle you there. This is just a stupid, stupid stunt from a stupid koont klown.

Yes, but you’re referring to the white Kraut ones, old chap. Like yourself.

These are the tinted races we’re talking about.

Mind you, it is strange that you never mentioned the application issue before. Do boat people apply to spend 5 years in Nauru or Manus Island?

Shurely shome mishtake.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption.

Asylum seekers are fleeing with their lives. The Refugee Convention was written in the shadow of Auschwitz/Berkanau.

Many European Jews gladly settled in a third world nation - Palestine.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe.

Correct.  But.......it is a strong front line deterrent to the people smugglers.  They no longer can sell Australia as the first destination to anyone who wants to get on a crappy boat to sail the high seas.  Once the rich Iranians learn that they will be sent to that idyllic paradise at Manus, you can bet they'll be lining up to drown their kids to get there.

Whatever it costs to implement, it will lessen over time as the boats stop coming.
It can't be more that the $2.5 Billion plus and rising  per annum it's costing us now.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:48pm:

Rudds smarter than I thought, first he creates an appalling mess, then he fixes his own appalling mess and comes out looking like a person that can fix an appalling mess all the while quite rightly counting on the f#ckwittery of the electorate to forget he created the appalling mess in the first place  ;D

A bit like a con man who creates a problem then offers to fix it?

I wonder what this is going to cost, when Howard stopped the boats the entire pacific solution only cost $289 million which was a bargain compared to the con men running the place today.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:48pm: Rudds smarter than I thought, first he creates an appalling mess, then he fixes his own appalling mess and comes out looking like a person that can fix an appalling mess all the while quite rightly counting on the f#ckwittery of the electorate to forget he created the appalling mess in the first place  ;D A bit like a con man who creates a problem then offers to fix it? I wonder what this is going to cost, when Howard stopped the boats the entire pacific solution only cost $289 million which was a bargain compared to the con men running the place today.

The year is 2013 and I am very sad to say that evolution doesn't appear to be making us any smarter.

On no, alevine, contrare...I'm bloody well cheering that they are not coming into Australia...howling the freaking roof down.

But I want the numbers, I want to know how much KRudd has sacrificed for doing a deal with the devil, because that's exactly what he has done.

alevine...I'm not a hypocrite, I am over the moon happy about the PNG thing. I mean left's face it, it's the biggest cook up in eons. Kevvy has rolled the dice, bet the lefties are steaming over this one.

But clever though, very clever.

The only thing I want to know are the numbers, they are going to be gigantic.

Like all Australian Taxpayers, we need to know the numbers, the are going to be ballistic.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe.

Yes. That was my point.
A Labor Government doing this and some of its supporters prepared to support all in the vain desperation of winning at all costs.

Leave your morals at the door....

Karnal wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:17pm: From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. Asylum seekers are fleeing with their lives. The Refugee Convention was written in the shadow of Auschwitz/Berkanau. Many European Jews gladly settled in a third world nation - Palestine.

Yes, they did. First it was their homeland, second, they could build a nation in the desert.

What can asylum seekers build in the steamy jungles of PNG, among the headhunters?

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:26pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:17pm: From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. Asylum seekers are fleeing with their lives. The Refugee Convention was written in the shadow of Auschwitz/Berkanau. Many European Jews gladly settled in a third world nation - Palestine. Yes, they did. First it was their homeland, second, they could build a nation in the desert. What can asylum seekers build in the steamy jungles of PNG, among the headhunters?

A Mosque?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:17pm: From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe. Yes. That was my point. A Labor Government doing this and some of its supporters prepared to support all in the vain desperation of winning at all costs. Leave your morals at the door....

If Abbot had announced this as an election policy can you imagine the weeping and wailing and lamentations?

Can you? 

Instead a significant muted response, those crickets chirping are the sounds of lefty flexible outrage.   

Effing hilarious from the hypocritical clowns. 

Datalife wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:26pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:17pm: From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe. Yes. That was my point. A Labor Government doing this and some of its supporters prepared to support all in the vain desperation of winning at all costs. Leave your morals at the door.... If Abbot had announced this as an election policy can you imagine the weeping and wailing and lamentations? Can you?  Instead a significant muted response, those crickets chirping are the sounds of lefty flexible outrage.    Effing hilarious from the hypocritical clowns.

weren't you worried about stopping the boats? Now they are stopped ... you should be glad.
it's what you've been whinging for for ages isn't it?

Yep. It's somewhat shocking the support for the "Rush to the Right"

Does show up the "none more gullible than the general public" quote.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:26pm:

Yep. It's somewhat shocking the support for the "Rush to the Right" Does show up the "none more gullible than the general public" quote.

aren't you the guy who claims to be non partisan? Now you are worried about left or right ideals?


;D ;D ;D ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:17pm: From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe. Yes. That was my point. A Labor Government doing this and some of its supporters prepared to support all in the vain desperation of winning at all costs. Leave your morals at the door....

Spare us the theatrics, jungle boy.

red baron wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:23pm:

On no, alevine, contrare...I'm bloody well cheering that they are not coming into Australia...howling the freaking roof down. But I want the numbers, I want to know how much KRudd has sacrificed for doing a deal with the devil, because that's exactly what he has done.

if he is going to use this in the election then he should tell us the truth.. PNG is a very poor country and they have a lot of unrest..whatever it is it will cost us thats for sure..btw

he hasnt stopped the BOATS yet...

and I am not sure the people smugglers give a damn where they end up...and why would they believe a Labor govt anyway they have done nothing but backflip and somersault since they started it all up again..

wait and see I wouldnt be getting my hopes up thats for sure.

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

red baron wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:23pm: On no, alevine, contrare...I'm bloody well cheering that they are not coming into Australia...howling the freaking roof down. But I want the numbers, I want to know how much KRudd has sacrificed for doing a deal with the devil, because that's exactly what he has done. if he is going to use this in the election then he should tell us the truth.. PNG is a very poor country and they have a lot of unrest..whatever it is it will cost us thats for sure..btw he hasnt stopped the BOATS yet... and I am not sure the people smugglers give a damn where they end up...and why would they believe a Labor govt anyway they have done nothing but backflip and somersault since they started it all up again.. wait and see I wouldnt be getting my hopes up thats for sure.

he doesn't need to provide costing's until the election is called  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote:

and I am not sure the people smugglers give a damn where they end up...

You are right.  They don't care.  But, their customers will.  They will pay Achmed the Smuggler for a chance to get them to Australia in a leaking unseaworthy boat via the high seas, but you can bet they will not pay Achmed for the same pleasure cruise to get them to Manus Paradise.  That is the point.  That is what Rudd has achieved with the co-operation of PNG.  He has done what everyone wanted done......nuke Achmed's business plan so that people stop taking the risk of drowning themselves and their kids because Achmed promised them 'Australia.'  Now, if they take that expensive risk, they get Manus Paradise.

That sucks, hey?

It's pretty funny seeing the cookie-cutter conservatives wailing "but what about the lurch to the right" and "what bout the morals" as if they wouldn't be giving this a standing ovation if it was the libs idea.

John Smith wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:26pm:

weren't you worried about stopping the boats? Now they are stopped ... you should be glad. it's what you've been whinging for for ages isn't it?

I will await to see the implementation, but yes, if it stops the boats I will be pleased, nothing inconsistent in my approach.

Now about that muted response from the left, you don't get a whiff of hypocrisy?  ffs on the drum they were complaining about mosquitos and jobs,  nuffin to do with being resettled in a UNHCR signatory country and free from persecution or being returned to home.   And the greens have displayed what they want, borders open for all, every one welcome.

Rudd has well and truly exposed the open secret of the left. 

... wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 11:31pm:

It's pretty funny seeing the cookie-cutter conservatives wailing "but what about the lurch to the right" and "what bout the morals" as if they wouldn't be giving this a standing ovation if it was the libs idea.

Legitimate questions, what about the morals?  Does the frigging left have any?  Where is the outrage? 

Compare and contrast to the reaction if abbott had declared as an electoral platform that if elected no boat people would be resettled in Australia but instead all would be settled in PNG.

It exposes the duplicitous left and its crocodile tears big time and I am happy as f*ck it has. 

I have no respect at all for hypocrites.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:26pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:17pm: From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. Asylum seekers are fleeing with their lives. The Refugee Convention was written in the shadow of Auschwitz/Berkanau. Many European Jews gladly settled in a third world nation - Palestine. Yes, they did. First it was their homeland, second, they could build a nation in the desert. What can asylum seekers build in the steamy jungles of PNG, among the headhunters?

Gee, if New Guinea’s that bad, maybe we should be offering them asylum.

Don’t worry though, PF. People in Jakarta are Facebooking each other as we speak. There will be a lot of asylum seekers making new plans from here on in.

The kicker is the no settlement in Australia for boat people clause. Why would anyone pay thousands and risk their life with that in place? They’d be better off buying a fake passport and applying for a tourist visa.

When the boats stop coming, we can offer people asylum who can’t make it here by boat.

skippy. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:26pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:17pm: From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe. Yes. That was my point. A Labor Government doing this and some of its supporters prepared to support all in the vain desperation of winning at all costs. Leave your morals at the door.... Spare us the theatrics, jungle boy.

Apparently he has an African mother.

Talk about a touch of the tar brush.

These people.

Maybe we should just let refugees into Australia, instead of putting them into detention camps that have literally been described as comparable with war POW camps. I don't know, but it feels like it'd be a lot EASIER to just grant these refugees fleeing to Australia, basic human rights, and decency.

red baron wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!!!! Rudd has just  announced on television that all boat arrivals would now be transferred to New Guinea. This follows an agreement drawn up with the Prime Minister of New Guinea. So now Rudd can announce that he has stopped the boats. HOWEVER; this needs thinking through. Rudd would have given an iron clad guarantee that  associated with the upkeep and maintenance of the boat arrivals would be underwritten by you the Australian Taxpayer; further, you can bet London to a Brick that there would be a heavy 'pick up' for New Guinea on top of the substantial aid money that this Country gives it. It would have to be a huge 'kicker' for the New Guinea Government to give the nod to this one. The Wizard of Oz has done it again, smoke and mirrors and whallah...the boats disappear, at least their occupants do, to New Guinea but the financial cost of this is going to be enormous and I will be tub thumping to find out how many billions of Australian Tax Dollars are tied up with this latest sleight of hand. What a load of rubbish...what a load of rubbish..load of rubbish! PS (Apologies speller in header, can't edit it)

So he solved the boat ppl thing and you ppl are still not happy?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:27am:

... wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 11:31pm: It's pretty funny seeing the cookie-cutter conservatives wailing "but what about the lurch to the right" and "what bout the morals" as if they wouldn't be giving this a standing ovation if it was the libs idea. Legitimate questions, what about the morals?  Does the frigging left have any?  Where is the outrage?  Compare and contrast to the reaction if abbott had declared as an electoral platform that if elected no boat people would be resettled in Australia but instead all would be settled in PNG. It exposes the duplicitous left and its crocodile tears big time and I am happy as f*ck it has.  I have no respect at all for hypocrites.

Its pretty stupid to be sure but well - its what you ppl wanted so be happy. Boats are stopped.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:54am:

From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption.

The day Australia lost its heart and soul.

What happened to my once beautiful country?

Just last month PNG was talking about reintroducing the death penalty, today they have grown a humanitarian heart? I don't think so.

Has anyone wondered how much this is costing, not only on a human level, but economically?

The day Australia lost its heart and soul.   

Shame, Australia, shame!

.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 6:25am:

The day Australia lost its heart and soul. What happened to my once beautiful country? Just last month PNG was talking about reintroducing the death penalty, today they have grown a humanitarian heart? I don't think so. Has anyone wondered how much this is costing, not only on a human level, but economically? The day Australia lost its heart and soul.    Shame, Australia, shame!

that interesting pansi. I didnt know about the death sentencing.. I have heard they still head hunt in parts though..

I dont recall you being up in arms over Malaysia where they do have the death sentence and always have done..

surely it is against our human rights policy to return anyone to a country with a death penalty.. so wouldnt that be breaking our own rules...the mere sniff of a death penalty should make us back away.

personally  we are bribing this very poor nation to do a job.. that I think could well be beyond them..

this is a desperate measure to win a few votes...looking at the riot that is reported on the threads.. these people are not your average asylum seekers..they are demanding and violent..,

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:23am:

Datalife wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 12:27am: ... wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 11:31pm: It's pretty funny seeing the cookie-cutter conservatives wailing "but what about the lurch to the right" and "what bout the morals" as if they wouldn't be giving this a standing ovation if it was the libs idea. Legitimate questions, what about the morals?  Does the frigging left have any?  Where is the outrage?  Compare and contrast to the reaction if abbott had declared as an electoral platform that if elected no boat people would be resettled in Australia but instead all would be settled in PNG. It exposes the duplicitous left and its crocodile tears big time and I am happy as f*ck it has.  I have no respect at all for hypocrites. Its pretty stupid to be sure but well - its what you ppl wanted so be happy. Boats are stopped. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

n o they are not... its all words sob its so he can announce an election and keep a few votes..

PNG is a pretty violent country even our embassy is in a compound that is under full security..how this will work I wouldnt have a clue.. b ut it will be dangerous.. is that ok with the UN?

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

From an LNP government, this "solution" would be shameful. From a Labor government it is disgusting. Asylum seekers will be dumped in a third world nation, rife with disease, lawlessness and corruption. All that will happen is that people smugglers will move part of their operations to Port Moresby. As in Indonesia, they will have no problem finding authorities to bribe.

I don't agree, Peter. Australia will still be accepting the same number of refugees. And the ones who end up in PNG, which I don't think will be many, won't be bribing people smugglers to do a round trip via Australia.

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 6:25am: The day Australia lost its heart and soul. What happened to my once beautiful country? Just last month PNG was talking about reintroducing the death penalty, today they have grown a humanitarian heart? I don't think so. Has anyone wondered how much this is costing, not only on a human level, but economically? The day Australia lost its heart and soul.    Shame, Australia, shame! that interesting pansi. I didnt know about the death sentencing.. I have heard they still head hunt in parts though.. I dont recall you being up in arms over Malaysia where they do have the death sentence and always have done.. surely it is against our human rights policy to return anyone to a country with a death penalty.. so wouldnt that be breaking our own rules...the mere sniff of a death penalty should make us back away. personally  we are bribing this very poor nation to do a job.. that I think could well be beyond them.. this is a desperate measure to win a few votes...looking at the riot that is reported on the threads.. these people are not your average asylum seekers..they are demanding and violent..,

Oh I was up in arms about Malaysia, any off shore process to be precise. I have always been against pushing our problems onto other nations, poorer nations at that. I have always said that we should process asylum seekers here and look after them here.

Human rights policy??? Do we have one? I think that was unoficially abolished a while back, when we started treating humans like maggot infested garbage. We should take our name off the UNHRC, then we can become like those other barbaric nations that are a law unto themselves. I hope Kevvy lose his seat on the United Nations Security Council over this.

Mannus Island is not coping right now, yet they want to expand it, that's too crazy.

It never ceases to amaze me that the very people who profess to be upstanding Christians can even contemplate doing this to fellow human beings.

I'm happy for the dangerous boat journeys to stop, something had to be done, but what a horrible way to go about it.

Rudd's making Julia Gillard look compassionate....and she was one evil woman.

Congratulations John Howard.....you've won!

Please change the National anthem.......we are not sharing any boundless plains.

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:20am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:26pm: weren't you worried about stopping the boats? Now they are stopped ... you should be glad. it's what you've been whinging for for ages isn't it? I will await to see the implementation, but yes, if it stops the boats I will be pleased, nothing inconsistent in my approach. Now about that muted response from the left, you don't get a whiff of hypocrisy?  ffs on the drum they were complaining about mosquitos and jobs,  nuffin to do with being resettled in a UNHCR signatory country and free from persecution or being returned to home.   And the greens have displayed what they want, borders open for all, every one welcome. Rudd has well and truly exposed the open secret of the left.

not sure if you realise it or not, but the Greens and labor are two very different parties. The real hypocrisy is in those crying out for a solution and now whinging about a possible solution.

Kevin O'Heaven needed a TAMPA to win this election...so he made his own  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Kevin O'Heaven needed a TAMPA to win this election...so he made his own  ;D

::) ::)
Never underestimate the Ruddster .... he continuously makes Abbott look like a toddler in the political arena

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:36am: Kevin O'Heaven needed a TAMPA to win this election...so he made his own  ;D ::) ::) Never underestimate the Ruddster .... he continuously makes Abbott look like a toddler in the political arena

Kevin will be hoping on riots and protests so he can prove that he is harder than Tony.
Tony should just quit politics now coz its all over for him  ;D

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:34am:

Datalife wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 12:20am: John Smith wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:26pm: weren't you worried about stopping the boats? Now they are stopped ... you should be glad. it's what you've been whinging for for ages isn't it? I will await to see the implementation, but yes, if it stops the boats I will be pleased, nothing inconsistent in my approach. Now about that muted response from the left, you don't get a whiff of hypocrisy?  ffs on the drum they were complaining about mosquitos and jobs,  nuffin to do with being resettled in a UNHCR signatory country and free from persecution or being returned to home.   And the greens have displayed what they want, borders open for all, every one welcome. Rudd has well and truly exposed the open secret of the left.  not sure if you realise it or not, but the Greens and labor are two very different parties. The real hypocrisy is in those crying out for a solution and now whinging about a possible solution.

Who has been whinging about this possible solution...apart from the left?

Maybe you can find me a forumite you think is of the right and post a quote of them whinging about it.

Me I reckon it is great, exposes the bullshit that existed all along.  The left wont be happy unless we have open borders and welcome all into Australia.  As mentioned elsewhere if PNG is so bad maybe they should ALL be coming over.

Too many mozzies...in PNG.

Hilarious.  Cry more leftys.   ;D ;D

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:39am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 6:25am: The day Australia lost its heart and soul. What happened to my once beautiful country? Just last month PNG was talking about reintroducing the death penalty, today they have grown a humanitarian heart? I don't think so. Has anyone wondered how much this is costing, not only on a human level, but economically? The day Australia lost its heart and soul.    Shame, Australia, shame! that interesting pansi. I didnt know about the death sentencing.. I have heard they still head hunt in parts though.. I dont recall you being up in arms over Malaysia where they do have the death sentence and always have done.. surely it is against our human rights policy to return anyone to a country with a death penalty.. so wouldnt that be breaking our own rules...the mere sniff of a death penalty should make us back away. personally  we are bribing this very poor nation to do a job.. that I think could well be beyond them.. this is a desperate measure to win a few votes...looking at the riot that is reported on the threads.. these people are not your average asylum seekers..they are demanding and violent.., Oh I was up in arms about Malaysia, any off shore process to be precise. I have always been against pushing our problems onto other nations, poorer nations at that. I have always said that we should process asylum seekers here and look after them here. Human rights policy??? Do we have one? I think that was unoficially abolished a while back, when we started treating humans like maggot infested garbage. We should take our name off the UNHRC, then we can become like those other barbaric nations that are a law unto themselves. I hope Kevvy lose his seat on the United Nations Security Council over this. Mannus Island is not coping right now, yet they want to expand it, that's too crazy. It never ceases to amaze me that the very people who profess to be upstanding Christians can even contemplate doing this to fellow human beings. I'm happy for the dangerous boat journeys to stop, something had to be done, but what a horrible way to go about it. Rudd's making Julia Gillard look compassionate....and she was one evil woman. Congratulations John Howard.....you've won! Please change the National anthem.......we are not sharing any boundless plains.

I'm sure if I sailed into Iran they wouldn't share their boundless plains with me.

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:42am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:23am: Datalife wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 12:27am: ... wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 11:31pm: It's pretty funny seeing the cookie-cutter conservatives wailing "but what about the lurch to the right" and "what bout the morals" as if they wouldn't be giving this a standing ovation if it was the libs idea. Legitimate questions, what about the morals?  Does the frigging left have any?  Where is the outrage?  Compare and contrast to the reaction if abbott had declared as an electoral platform that if elected no boat people would be resettled in Australia but instead all would be settled in PNG. It exposes the duplicitous left and its crocodile tears big time and I am happy as f*ck it has.  I have no respect at all for hypocrites. Its pretty stupid to be sure but well - its what you ppl wanted so be happy. Boats are stopped. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg n o they are not... its all words sob its so he can announce an election and keep a few votes.. PNG is a pretty violent country even our embassy is in a compound that is under full security..how this will work I wouldnt have a clue.. b ut it will be dangerous.. is that ok with the UN?

Yes he has. Whther png is a violent country or not thats where we are now sending refugees.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted.

After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate.

After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue.
After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country.

I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible.

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:34am: Datalife wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 12:20am: John Smith wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:26pm: weren't you worried about stopping the boats? Now they are stopped ... you should be glad. it's what you've been whinging for for ages isn't it? I will await to see the implementation, but yes, if it stops the boats I will be pleased, nothing inconsistent in my approach. Now about that muted response from the left, you don't get a whiff of hypocrisy?  ffs on the drum they were complaining about mosquitos and jobs,  nuffin to do with being resettled in a UNHCR signatory country and free from persecution or being returned to home.   And the greens have displayed what they want, borders open for all, every one welcome. Rudd has well and truly exposed the open secret of the left.  not sure if you realise it or not, but the Greens and labor are two very different parties. The real hypocrisy is in those crying out for a solution and now whinging about a possible solution. Who has been whinging about this possible solution...apart from the left? Maybe you can find me a forumite you think is of the right and post a quote of them whinging about it. Me I reckon it is great, exposes the bullshit that existed all along.  The left wont be happy unless we have open borders and welcome all into Australia.  As mentioned elsewhere if PNG is so bad maybe they should ALL be coming over. Too many mozzies...in PNG. Hilarious.  Cry more leftys.   ;D ;D

yeah right, are you blind too? How many comments about moving to far to the right and selling out ..... it won't take you to long to find a few.

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible.

maybe he doesn't believe in sticking to anyone's ideals of what's considered either left or right .... maybe he's more practical than that and is willing to try various solutions until he finds one that works. I'm not surprised that no matter what he does, people will always look for fault.

I mean, Who ever heard of a practical pm, right?

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:50am:

yeah right, are you blind too? How many comments about moving to far to the right and selling out ..... it won't take you to long to find a few.

LOL, you made the claim bozo, I aint doing your work.  If you cant be bothered why should I be?  ;D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:42am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:23am: Datalife wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 12:27am: ... wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 11:31pm: It's pretty funny seeing the cookie-cutter conservatives wailing "but what about the lurch to the right" and "what bout the morals" as if they wouldn't be giving this a standing ovation if it was the libs idea. Legitimate questions, what about the morals?  Does the frigging left have any?  Where is the outrage?  Compare and contrast to the reaction if abbott had declared as an electoral platform that if elected no boat people would be resettled in Australia but instead all would be settled in PNG. It exposes the duplicitous left and its crocodile tears big time and I am happy as f*ck it has.  I have no respect at all for hypocrites. Its pretty stupid to be sure but well - its what you ppl wanted so be happy. Boats are stopped. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg n o they are not... its all words sob its so he can announce an election and keep a few votes.. PNG is a pretty violent country even our embassy is in a compound that is under full security..how this will work I wouldnt have a clue.. b ut it will be dangerous.. is that ok with the UN? Yes he has. Whther png is a violent country or not thats where we are now sending refugees. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

so tent city has been constructed overnight then???

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:50am: yeah right, are you blind too? How many comments about moving to far to the right and selling out ..... it won't take you to long to find a few. LOL, you made the claim bozo, I aint doing your work.  If you cant be bothered why should I be?  ;D

it's not work, moron .... you can start with the first post .... the first of many ....

In 2007 - Rudd needed votes from the Greens so he adopted the policy of welcoming the illegals

In 2013 - Rudd needed votes from the right so he adopts the policy of killing illegals

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

In 2007 - Rudd needed votes from the Greens so he adopted the policy of welcoming the illegals In 2013 - Rudd needed votes from the right so he adopts the policy of killing illegals

is that the only way one can get support from the right? You are an idiot Gumpy, a genuine, bona fide, dinky di IDIOT

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible.

oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote...

its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends..

he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen....

he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it..

if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy..

they must like being conned thats all I can say.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:05am:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:03am: In 2007 - Rudd needed votes from the Greens so he adopted the policy of welcoming the illegals In 2013 - Rudd needed votes from the right so he adopts the policy of killing illegals is that the only way one can get support from the right? You are an idiot Gumpy, a genuine, bona fide, dinky di IDIOT

The other way is to politically knife Gillard

And getting rid off the carbon tax

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say.

:D :D :D :D :D

you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers .

;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D
:D :D :D

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:07am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:05am: Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:03am: In 2007 - Rudd needed votes from the Greens so he adopted the policy of welcoming the illegals In 2013 - Rudd needed votes from the right so he adopts the policy of killing illegals is that the only way one can get support from the right? You are an idiot Gumpy, a genuine, bona fide, dinky di IDIOT The other way is to politically knife Gillard And getting rid off the carbon tax

so you support him now?

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. maybe he doesn't believe in sticking to anyone's ideals of what's considered either left or right .... maybe he's more practical than that and is willing to try various solutions until he finds one that works. I'm not surprised that no matter what he does, people will always look for fault. I mean, Who ever heard of a practical pm, right?

What positive practical thing has he ever DONE, rather than promise, in the asylum issue?


Please remind us.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D

How and when did Abbott change his position on the boats??

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Name 5 instances in the last 5 years with references (not opinions)

Then we'll show you Rudd's 10 instances in the last 5 years

Rudd is still a dud

All he's done now is given Abbott a free-kick with the illegals issue

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

What positive practical thing has he ever DONE, rather than promise, in the asylum issue?Please remind us.

start with yesterdays announcement ... and my comment wasn't limited to the asylum issue

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible.

Who cares? It's all to suck in the voters to win the election and send phoney tony to the political graveyard, and Rudds just done it. ;D :D ;D

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:09am: cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D How and when did Abbott change his position on the boats??

who mentioned the boats?

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:07am: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:05am: Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:03am: In 2007 - Rudd needed votes from the Greens so he adopted the policy of welcoming the illegals In 2013 - Rudd needed votes from the right so he adopts the policy of killing illegals is that the only way one can get support from the right? You are an idiot Gumpy, a genuine, bona fide, dinky di IDIOT The other way is to politically knife Gillard And getting rid off the carbon tax so you support him now?

I will vote for Labor this year because I want to see this country buggered up to the max

No other party can destroy Australian lives like the Labor party

GO RUDD!!!

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:13am: What positive practical thing has he ever DONE, rather than promise, in the asylum issue?Please remind us. start with yesterdays announcement ... and my comment wasn't limited to the asylum issue

Do t mind swallow, John, he is just having a tanty because Abbott is now dead meat. ;D

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:09am: cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D Name 5 instances in the last 5 years with references (not opinions) Then we'll show you Rudd's 10 instances in the last 5 years Rudd is still a dud All he's done now is given Abbott a free-kick with the illegals issue

I should hope Rudd has more than Abbott. Rudd has actually had to implement his polices.. .... if they don't work, try something else ... Abbot on the other hand has never had to test any of his policies ... and he still chops and changes them.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

I should hope Rudd has more than Abbott. Rudd has actually had to implement his polices.. .... if they don't work, try something else ... Abbot on the other hand has never had to test any of his policies ... and he still chops and changes them.

So they are "his" policies  :o :o :o

I thought he's no longer a tyrant

I thought he's changed

So you admit he's a dictator now and will never change

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:27am:

... wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 11:31pm: It's pretty funny seeing the cookie-cutter conservatives wailing "but what about the lurch to the right" and "what bout the morals" as if they wouldn't be giving this a standing ovation if it was the libs idea. Legitimate questions, what about the morals?  Does the frigging left have any?  Where is the outrage?  Compare and contrast to the reaction if abbott had declared as an electoral platform that if elected no boat people would be resettled in Australia but instead all would be settled in PNG. It exposes the duplicitous left and its crocodile tears big time and I am happy as f*ck it has.  I have no respect at all for hypocrites.

it is a delicious irony in watching the hypocritical left having to choose between their principles and supporting labor.

It is more delicious to watch the loony right implode at the knowledge phoney Tony has been screwed up his botty big time by a girly boy like Kevvy.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:21am: I should hope Rudd has more than Abbott. Rudd has actually had to implement his polices.. .... if they don't work, try something else ... Abbot on the other hand has never had to test any of his policies ... and he still chops and changes them. So they are "his" policies  :o :o :o I thought he's no longer a tyrant I thought he's changed So you admit he's a dictator now and will never change

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John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D

abbotts position has always been the same.  it is Rudd that has occupied every possible position on the issue and does so no merely for votes.

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

this is the labor version of TURNING BACK THE BOATS..  wonder how much we now have to pay PNG...look out Norfolk Island. you could be next.

errr...how is this any different to Howard turning Nauru into a Gulag?

Except for the fact that PNG would be much, much cheaper place for a concentration camp than Nauru?

ALP = LIB

Both exactly the same.

Pandering to racist bogans

Hope you are all pleased with yourselves.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:39am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 6:25am: The day Australia lost its heart and soul. What happened to my once beautiful country? Just last month PNG was talking about reintroducing the death penalty, today they have grown a humanitarian heart? I don't think so. Has anyone wondered how much this is costing, not only on a human level, but economically? The day Australia lost its heart and soul.    Shame, Australia, shame! that interesting pansi. I didnt know about the death sentencing.. I have heard they still head hunt in parts though.. I dont recall you being up in arms over Malaysia where they do have the death sentence and always have done.. surely it is against our human rights policy to return anyone to a country with a death penalty.. so wouldnt that be breaking our own rules...the mere sniff of a death penalty should make us back away. personally  we are bribing this very poor nation to do a job.. that I think could well be beyond them.. this is a desperate measure to win a few votes...looking at the riot that is reported on the threads.. these people are not your average asylum seekers..they are demanding and violent.., Oh I was up in arms about Malaysia, any off shore process to be precise. I have always been against pushing our problems onto other nations, poorer nations at that. I have always said that we should process asylum seekers here and look after them here. Human rights policy??? Do we have one? I think that was unoficially abolished a while back, when we started treating humans like maggot infested garbage. We should take our name off the UNHRC, then we can become like those other barbaric nations that are a law unto themselves. I hope Kevvy lose his seat on the United Nations Security Council over this. Mannus Island is not coping right now, yet they want to expand it, that's too crazy. It never ceases to amaze me that the very people who profess to be upstanding Christians can even contemplate doing this to fellow human beings. I'm happy for the dangerous boat journeys to stop, something had to be done, but what a horrible way to go about it. Rudd's making Julia Gillard look compassionate....and she was one evil woman. Congratulations John Howard.....you've won! Please change the National anthem.......we are not sharing any boundless plains.

Pansi, it’s not compassionate to attract hundreds of people to their deaths with the offer of the decent wages, laws and shopping that is Australia. New Guinea offers asylum and safety. There is no death penalty there, but there is in most countries refugees arrive in.

It’s not humane to allow the constant flow of boats to Christmas Island to continue. Services there are stretched, the camps are full, and the navy are on a constant state of alert.

A boat goes down nearly every week, now, and the refugee numbers are escalating.

This is not the 2000s anymore with a few hundred boat people and a racist undercurrent to the policies. We’ve had 17000 this year, and rising. Boats are arriving each and every day now.

Human migration is not going anywhere. We’re in the middle of a refugee boom. Those that have come have stretched our existing services to capacity. There needs to be a limit on this.

Without that, it’s just more death and misery.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:09am: cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D abbotts position has always been the same.  it is Rudd that has occupied every possible position on the issue and does so no merely for votes.

He won’t be stopping any boats now.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:09am: cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D abbotts position has always been the same.  it is Rudd that has occupied every possible position on the issue and does so no merely for votes.

and on other issues? :D :D

Rudd launches a YouTube blitz warning refugees not to enter Australia illegally

But according to leftards these people are fleeing a war who can't even keep their passports so how can they even access the internet to see Rudd's message?

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Rudd launches a YouTube blitz warning refugees not to enter Australia illegally But according to leftards these people are fleeing a war who can't even keep their passports so how can they even access the internet to see Rudd's message?

And the ignorance continues    ::)

People smugglers, as well and friends and family here in Australia (and elsewhere), have access to the 'net Maqqa.

Try to keep up.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 12:08pm: Rudd launches a YouTube blitz warning refugees not to enter Australia illegally But according to leftards these people are fleeing a war who can't even keep their passports so how can they even access the internet to see Rudd's message? And the ignorance continues    ::) People smugglers, as well and friends and family here in Australia (and elsewhere), have access to the 'net Maqqa. Try to keep up.

Your self-assessment is correct - you are ignorant

Why would it matters to the smugglers - they are not handing over the money

As for families and friends - these people are on the run. They can't keep their paperwork so what makes you think they can make a phone call?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm: this is the labor version of TURNING BACK THE BOATS..  wonder how much we now have to pay PNG...look out Norfolk Island. you could be next. errr...how is this any different to Howard turning Nauru into a Gulag? Except for the fact that PNG would be much, much cheaper place for a concentration camp than Nauru? ALP = LIB Both exactly the same. Pandering to racist bogans Hope you are all pleased with yourselves.

What concentration camp? Asylum.seekers will be settled in the community. They get residency in a signatory country to the refugee convention.

This policy ends future mandatory detention. Yes, it discriminates against boat over plane arrivals, but mandatory detention has been doing that since the Hawke government.

This policy provides asylum seekers refuge and safety. That’s what the refugee convention is about. This is a more humane policy than the Pacific solution, as it doesn’t involve mandatory detention.

If you could let me know how this is in any way unfair, inhumane, or outside the spirit of the treaty, Rabbitoh, I’d love to find out.

There are 50 million refugees in the world today. Sure, we could possibly resettle all of them in developed countries with good jobs, clean water, health care and free education for their kids - if there was the political will to do so.

But what next? That figure will be back the next year and the next, and the number will keep growing.

Worse, we will be facing food shortages and environmental disasters in greater frequency as global warming takes hold and population growth keeps rising. There will be a greater demand for resettlement in the future.

This is why we need a workable refugee intake and a managable process. Every boat arrival we take in is another assessed refugee we refuse. Even if we quadrupled our intake (which I think we could comfortably do), it would still be a drop in the ocean.

The world is becoming more unequal, not less. Poverty is increasing, but infant mortality is decreasing in most places. We are now in the biggest population boom in human history. Communications are improving - satelite TV and the internet are pumping out an image of the developed world as streets lined with gold. Every time I go to a developing country, people discuss their intentions of coming to Australia, Canada or the US. I’ve had people ask for my email address on trains. A stranger in India gave me his resume and begged me to pass it around when I got home.

We’re smack bang in the middle of a very poor region, but Cambodians, Laotians and Indonesians are not getting on boats to Australia. If they did - and they are perfectly entitled to under the convention - we really would be swamped.

These are my reasons for changing track on this issue. When we were getting a few hundred boat people a year, STOP THE BOATS was essentially driven by racism. Now, with escalating numbers, it seems self-evident to me that there needs to be a cap on tbis - to stop the drownings alone.

My preference is for a higher refugee intake and a deterrent to boats. New Guinea does this, and provides refugees asylum in the community.

How can this possibly be a bad thing?

This solution will either be costing squillions or it will only hold together long enough to get Rudd through an election.

It may be challenged by the New Guinea opposition, but that wont happen until after the election in Australia.

True to labor form it will cost the Australian Tax payer a bundle to help keep labor in power, then the scheme will fail spectacularly.

We Aussies just dont learn.

How can it possibly fail, Miketrees? Without the offer of settlement in Australia, who’s going to get on a boat?

Do you see any refugees paying ten grand and waiting months for a boat trip from Indonesia to New Guinea?

I’d be surprised if any more boats leave Indonesia from here on in. The next few days will be very interesting.

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:36am: cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm: this is the labor version of TURNING BACK THE BOATS..  wonder how much we now have to pay PNG...look out Norfolk Island. you could be next. errr...how is this any different to Howard turning Nauru into a Gulag? Except for the fact that PNG would be much, much cheaper place for a concentration camp than Nauru? ALP = LIB Both exactly the same. Pandering to racist bogans Hope you are all pleased with yourselves. What concentration camp? Asylum.seekers will be settled in the community. They get residency in a signatory country to the refugee convention. This policy ends future mandatory detention. Yes, it discriminates against boat over plane arrivals, but mandatory detention has been doing that since the Hawke government. This policy provides asylum seekers refuge and safety. That’s what the refugee convention is about. This is a more humane policy than the Pacific solution, as it doesn’t involve mandatory detention. If you could let me know how this is in any way unfair, inhumane, or outside the spirit of the treaty, Rabbitoh, I’d love to find out. There are 50 million refugees in the world today. Sure, we could possibly resettle all of them in developed countries with good jobs, clean water, health care and free education for their kids - if there was the political will to do so. But what next? That figure will be back the next year and the next, and the number will keep growing. Worse, we will be facing food shortages and environmental disasters in greater frequency as global warming takes hold and population growth keeps rising. There will be a greater demand for resettlement in the future. This is why we need a workable refugee intake and a managable process. Every boat arrival we take in is another assessed refugee we refuse. Even if we quadrupled our intake (which I think we could comfortably do), it would still be a drop in the ocean. The world is becoming more unequal, not less. Poverty is increasing, but infant mortality is decreasing in most places. We are now in the biggest population boom in human history. Communications are improving - satelite TV and the internet are pumping out an image of the developed world as streets lined with gold. Every time I go to a developing country, people discuss their intentions of coming to Australia, Canada or the US. I’ve had people ask for my email address on trains. A stranger in India gave me his resume and begged me to pass it around when I got home. We’re smack bang in the middle of a very poor region, but Cambodians, Laotians and Indonesians are not getting on boats to Australia. If they did - and they are perfectly entitled to under the convention - we really would be swamped. These are my reasons for changing track on this issue. When we were getting a few hundred boat people a year, STOP THE BOATS was essentially driven by racism. Now, with escalating numbers, it seems self-evident to me that there needs to be a cap on tbis - to stop the drownings alone. My preference is for a higher refugee intake and a deterrent to boats. New Guinea does this, and provides refugees asylum in the community. How can this possibly be a bad thing?

Excellent post, Karnal. That's about where my thinking is at the moment. Looking forward to Rabbitoh's response.

miketrees wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

This solution will either be costing squillions or it will only hold together long enough to get Rudd through an election. It may be challenged by the New Guinea opposition, but that wont happen until after the election in Australia. True to labor form it will cost the Australian Tax payer a bundle to help keep labor in power, then the scheme will fail spectacularly. We Aussies just dont learn.

It seems to have sucked Abbott in.

Correction, Abbott's now against it.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/png-boats-deal-subcontracting-abbott-20130720-2qao5.html

It would seem he'd rather tow them back to Indonesia

I have a question, will those resettled in PNG get centrelink?  The reason I ask is when Gillard told East Timor it was hosting a refugee reprocessing centre, much to the surprise of the East Timorese, (remember that hilarity  ;D) one of the reasons they said no thanks was because they rightly figured it to be untenable to their own population to have living among them people who without requiring to work earned more than the locals and were in every way better off.

I cannot see the local PNG population reacting any different.

Still, this is more fun than a box of monkeys and the rusted on laborites have no clue what to do. 

All they know is if Abbott had announced it as a policy it would have been universally declared evil and racist, but it was announced by Kevin O'Lemon, so there is mass confusion amongst the hypocrites.

Too many mozzies, not enough jobs, too hot...in PNG.  ;D

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:40pm: This solution will either be costing squillions or it will only hold together long enough to get Rudd through an election. It may be challenged by the New Guinea opposition, but that wont happen until after the election in Australia. True to labor form it will cost the Australian Tax payer a bundle to help keep labor in power, then the scheme will fail spectacularly. We Aussies just dont learn. It seems to have sucked Abbott in. Correction, Abbott's now against it. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/png-boats-deal-subcontracting-abbott-20130720-2qao5.html It would seem he'd rather tow them back to Indonesia

I don't think Credlin Abbott knows how to respond yet.  That 'subcontracting' comment was meaningless gibber.

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:19pm: miketrees wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:40pm: This solution will either be costing squillions or it will only hold together long enough to get Rudd through an election. It may be challenged by the New Guinea opposition, but that wont happen until after the election in Australia. True to labor form it will cost the Australian Tax payer a bundle to help keep labor in power, then the scheme will fail spectacularly. We Aussies just dont learn. It seems to have sucked Abbott in. Correction, Abbott's now against it. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/png-boats-deal-subcontracting-abbott-20130720-2qao5.html It would seem he'd rather tow them back to Indonesia I don't think Credlin Abbott knows how to respond yet.  That 'subcontracting' comment was meaningless gibber.

Maybe he’s pinning his hopes on a coalition government with the Greens.

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

I have a question, will those resettled in PNG get centrelink?  The reason I ask is when Gillard told East Timor it was hosting a refugee reprocessing centre, much to the surprise of the East Timorese, (remember that hilarity  ;D) one of the reasons they said no thanks was because they rightly figured it to be untenable to their own population to have living among them people who without requiring to work earned more than the locals and were in every way better off. I cannot see the local PNG population reacting any different. Still, this is more fun than a box of monkeys and the rusted on laborites, (apart from the greens) have no clue what to do.  All they know is if Abbott had announced it as a policy it would have been universally declared evil and racist, but it was announced by Kevin O'Lemon, so there is mass confusion amongst the hypocrites. Too many mozzies, not enough jobs, too hot...in PNG.  ;D

Interesting question, although it will probably be moot.

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:40pm: This solution will either be costing squillions or it will only hold together long enough to get Rudd through an election. It may be challenged by the New Guinea opposition, but that wont happen until after the election in Australia. True to labor form it will cost the Australian Tax payer a bundle to help keep labor in power, then the scheme will fail spectacularly. We Aussies just dont learn. It seems to have sucked Abbott in. Correction, Abbott's now against it. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/png-boats-deal-subcontracting-abbott-20130720-2qao5.html It would seem he'd rather tow them back to Indonesia

More humane than let them live in PNG

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

How can it possibly fail, Miketrees? Without the offer of settlement in Australia, who’s going to get on a boat? Do you see any refugees paying ten grand and waiting months for a boat trip from Indonesia to New Guinea? I’d be surprised if any more boats leave Indonesia from here on in. The next few days will be very interesting.

They'll start threatening to cut their throats if they are taken to PNG

Of course Lefties have always been about believing in the throat cutting threats

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm: this is the labor version of TURNING BACK THE BOATS..  wonder how much we now have to pay PNG...look out Norfolk Island. you could be next. errr...how is this any different to Howard turning Nauru into a Gulag? Except for the fact that PNG would be much, much cheaper place for a concentration camp than Nauru? ALP = LIB Both exactly the same. Pandering to racist bogans Hope you are all pleased with yourselves.

You still whining and calling people names?
When the country shoppers are lining up naked outside of the shower blocks, let me know eh.
Particularly if the bodies are being cremated.
And how many country shoppers have been shot by the camp guards?
What's that you say, errr none.
If you have proof that these detention centres are actually concentration camps, you'd better call the authorities if you actually want something done eh.
Otherwise your just going to come across as a whining lefty.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

More humane than let them live in PNG

Do we have a responsibility not only to remove them and not return them from persecution but guarantee them a life of roses as well?  Eff of with that bullshit. 

No reason why it cannot all be all of the proposed solutions, it doesn't need to be either or. 

I think the visa crackdown is a good idea.  Add to that turn back where safe, if not safe to do so, then to Manus Island and settlement in PNG (with the proviso I would like to see the details, Labor and implantation do not have a good record), plus TPV and incarceration if they decide to swim from PNG to Qld.

And throw in demerit points at processing if suspecting of losing your documents and Bob Carrs country profiles to be included in the consideration process.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:19pm: miketrees wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:40pm: This solution will either be costing squillions or it will only hold together long enough to get Rudd through an election. It may be challenged by the New Guinea opposition, but that wont happen until after the election in Australia. True to labor form it will cost the Australian Tax payer a bundle to help keep labor in power, then the scheme will fail spectacularly. We Aussies just dont learn. It seems to have sucked Abbott in. Correction, Abbott's now against it. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/png-boats-deal-subcontracting-abbott-20130720-2qao5.html It would seem he'd rather tow them back to Indonesia More humane than let them live in PNG

If that's the case, they'll make that decision for themselves, wont they, Maqqa.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:57pm: How can it possibly fail, Miketrees? Without the offer of settlement in Australia, who’s going to get on a boat? Do you see any refugees paying ten grand and waiting months for a boat trip from Indonesia to New Guinea? I’d be surprised if any more boats leave Indonesia from here on in. The next few days will be very interesting. They'll start threatening to cut their throats if they are taken to PNG Of course Lefties have always been about believing in the throat cutting threats

Now you’re just sounding bitter. I have no idea why, Maqqa. How many STOP THE BOATS threads have you started here over the last few years? At least one a week - more. We’re talking hundreds of threads, with you either calling for Labor to do something about the boats, or complaining that they couldn’t.

Now they have, and for whatever reason, you sound miffed about it.

One question - are you actually interested in solving problems, or do you just come here for a moan?

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:49pm: More humane than let them live in PNG Do we have a responsibility not only to remove them and not return them from persecution but guarantee them a life of roses as well?  Eff of with that bullshit.  No reason why it cannot all be all of the proposed solutions, it doesn't need to be either or.  I think the visa crackdown is a good idea.  Add to that tow back where safe, if not safe to do so, then to Manus Island and settlement in PNG (with the proviso I would like to see the details, Labor and implantation do not have a good record), plus TPV and incarceration if they decide to swim from PNG to Qld. And throw in demerit points at processing if suspecting of losing your documents and Bob Carrs country profiles to be included in the consideration process.

Rudd has no choice but to make a drastic move like this

He'll take the political hit from the left - and if it works then Abbott will bask in its success like Swannie when he collected the "Greatest Treasurer" title

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm: this is the labor version of TURNING BACK THE BOATS..  wonder how much we now have to pay PNG...look out Norfolk Island. you could be next. errr...how is this any different to Howard turning Nauru into a Gulag? Except for the fact that PNG would be much, much cheaper place for a concentration camp than Nauru? ALP = LIB Both exactly the same. Pandering to racist bogans Hope you are all pleased with yourselves.

only when the illegals are thrown back like unwanted fish.

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:49pm: MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:19pm: miketrees wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:40pm: This solution will either be costing squillions or it will only hold together long enough to get Rudd through an election. It may be challenged by the New Guinea opposition, but that wont happen until after the election in Australia. True to labor form it will cost the Australian Tax payer a bundle to help keep labor in power, then the scheme will fail spectacularly. We Aussies just dont learn. It seems to have sucked Abbott in. Correction, Abbott's now against it. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/png-boats-deal-subcontracting-abbott-20130720-2qao5.html It would seem he'd rather tow them back to Indonesia More humane than let them live in PNG If that's the case, they'll make that decision for themselves, wont they, Maqqa.

Like the people who held a knife to their throat when they were taken somewhere else other than Australia

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:13am: What positive practical thing has he ever DONE, rather than promise, in the asylum issue?Please remind us. start with yesterdays announcement ... and my comment wasn't limited to the asylum issue

Brilliant.

The bvgger was PM for 2 years, buggered everything he touched, including creating the situation to which he is now reacting, but you are giving him a free pass because yesterday he promised to do something about the mess he created (but blames on everyone else).

You are another sycophantic, hypocritical dissembler or else suffering from early onset memory loss.

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:51pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:57pm: How can it possibly fail, Miketrees? Without the offer of settlement in Australia, who’s going to get on a boat? Do you see any refugees paying ten grand and waiting months for a boat trip from Indonesia to New Guinea? I’d be surprised if any more boats leave Indonesia from here on in. The next few days will be very interesting. They'll start threatening to cut their throats if they are taken to PNG Of course Lefties have always been about believing in the throat cutting threats Now you’re just sounding bitter. I have no idea why, Maqqa. How many STOP THE BOATS threads have you started here over the last few years? At least one a week - more. We’re talking hundreds of threads, with you either calling for Labor to do something about the boats, or complaining that they couldn’t. Now they have, and for whatever reason, you sound miffed about it. One question - are you actually interested in solving problems, or do you just come here for a moan?

I am interested in Rudd taking responsibility and first and foremost APOLOGISE for his mistakes

He loves an apology so this one is not difficult

That apology has not been front and centre

He then should apologise the the families of the 1000+ illegals that have died as a result of Labor's 7 policy position over the last 6 years

It took the might of Labor 12 months to come up with a Malaysian Solution that didn't work - Rudd's 2 weeks job looks like heading the same way

Maybe we should just let refugees into Australia, instead of putting them into detention camps that have literally been described as comparable with war POW camps. I don't know, but it feels like it'd be a lot EASIER to just grant these refugees fleeing to Australia, basic human rights, and decency.

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. Who cares? It's all to suck in the voters to win the election and send phoney tony to the political graveyard, and Rudds just done it. ;D :D ;D

Well, if people are stupid enough to be svcked in by Rudd, good luck to him.

Can't say the same for the country, but if the majority decide to be taken in by Kevni the SECOND time, then he deserves a prize.

But it won't happen. Labor is a minority government. The Greens are not going to be there for Kevni. And he will not take seats off the Libs or the independents. Windsor and Oakshott will not run and their seats will revert to the coalition (those seats would have been lost by the two indepndents anyway, had they decided to re-contest them). A few marginal Labor seats in NSW and WA will definitely fall to the Coalition.

There is no money to do a bit of pork barreling. So Kevni is fighting an uphill battle. He will make a marvellous opposition leader.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:15am: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:09am: cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:06am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:49am: Before the 2007 election, Rudd said he would send back boats of asylum seekers when safe. "You'd turn them back," he insisted. After the election he did no such thing but instead dismantled the existing border laws and the off-shore detention centres which had stopped the boats. He claimed this to be compassionate. After he lost the leadership he told the Labor party not to 'shift to the right' on the issue. After numerous attempts, the Labor Party under Rudd now promises not only to send all  boat arrivals to PNG but to settle them there as well- as if he could forcibly settle anyone in another country. I am not surprised that as a narcissist he lurches opportunistically whichever way the wind blows. What I am surprised about is that anyone still believe him. That's incredible. oh he is that alright....and he doesnt give a sh!t ass long as it means a vote... its all about winning soren.. got nothing to do with being fair or caring.. as he pretends.. he is a conman... I will say he is one of the best conmen I have seen.... he actually leaves Frank Abagnale of Catch me if you Can fame in the shade.. he changes color as well as sides just with zip.. and they fall for it.. if abbott was as shallow as this guy.. I would run screaming in the opposite direction.. but this lot fall all over this guy.. they must like being conned thats all I can say. :D :D :D :D :D you cannot seriously criticise Rudd for changing his position, whilst in the same statement praise Abbott who has changed positions more times than a brothel full of hookers . ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D How and when did Abbott change his position on the boats?? who mentioned the boats?

:D :D

The whole thread and my post you responded to, Mr Goldfish.  No wonder Kevni is doing well in the polls, what with the wilfully demented and early onset memory loss crowd cheering him on.


But you wouldn't remember, so don't worry about it. Another turn in your fish bowl, another new beginning.

Soren delusional to the end. The last election was Gillard verse Abbott, both hated, Labor under Rudd will win coalition seats, and keep all if not most of the ones they now have.Labor will win the next election for one reason and one reason only,phoney Tony is the leader, piss of Abbott and the coalition will romp it on, keep the women basher and its all tears for you. I hope they keep Abbott, I love watching you moan and cry.

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:18am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:13am: What positive practical thing has he ever DONE, rather than promise, in the asylum issue?Please remind us. start with yesterdays announcement ... and my comment wasn't limited to the asylum issue Brilliant. The bvgger was PM for 2 years, buggered everything he touched, including creating the situation to which he is now reacting, but you are giving him a free pass because yesterday he promised to do something about the mess he created (but blames on everyone else). You are another sycophantic, hypocritical dissembler or else suffering from early onset memory loss.

It must suck big time, Soren, to be you.  Rudd, by way of pragmatic decision and with the co-operation of Indonesia and PNG, solves a problem (one he 'created' if you like) in a manner no-one else verbalised and you are bitching like a bloody kid as if you lost your teddy.

What is your problem with Rudd's solution?

Also, swallow, Labor are now on track to win at least six seats in Qld, given they hate Newman and love Rudd so much up there, game over, swallow.

*bump*

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:18am: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:13am: What positive practical thing has he ever DONE, rather than promise, in the asylum issue?Please remind us. start with yesterdays announcement ... and my comment wasn't limited to the asylum issue Brilliant. The bvgger was PM for 2 years, buggered everything he touched, including creating the situation to which he is now reacting, but you are giving him a free pass because yesterday he promised to do something about the mess he created (but blames on everyone else). You are another sycophantic, hypocritical dissembler or else suffering from early onset memory loss. It must suck big time, Soren, to be you.  Rudd, by way of pragmatic decision and with the co-operation of Indonesia and PNG, solves a problem (one he 'created' if you like) in a manner no-one else verbalised and you are bitching like a bloody kid as if you lost your teddy. What is your problem with Rudd's solution?

Ooh ooh, Mr Aussie,sir, I can answer that for pupil swallow, swallow is pissed off that phoney Tony did not come  with the solution and Rudd has buggered phoney over.

Ammonsa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Maybe we should just let refugees into Australia, instead of putting them into detention camps that have literally been described as comparable with war POW camps. I don't know, but it feels like it'd be a lot EASIER to just grant these refugees fleeing to Australia, basic human rights, and decency.

The refugees we do accept into Australia are granted basic human rights and decency. I believe we are in a position to accept more, and Rudd has promised to increase our intake of refugees if this deal with PNG works. The problem with onshore processing is that encourages many to make what is a very perilous trip without increasing the number of refugees we ultimately accept into Australia.

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Ammonsa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Maybe we should just let refugees into Australia, instead of putting them into detention camps that have literally been described as comparable with war POW camps. I don't know, but it feels like it'd be a lot EASIER to just grant these refugees fleeing to Australia, basic human rights, and decency. The refugees we do accept into Australia are granted basic human rights and decency. I believe we are in a position to accept more, and Rudd has promised to increase our intake of refugees if this deal with PNG works. The problem with onshore processing is that encourages many to make what is a very perilous trip without increasing the number of refugees we ultimately accept into Australia.

We continue to take refugees and will do so under LIBs

Rudd's the one who wants to change the UN Convention so he can send them to the bottom of the ocean

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Soren delusional to the end. The last election was Gillard verse Abbott, both hated, Labor under Rudd will win coalition seats, and keep all if not most of the ones they now have.Labor will win the next election for one reason and one reason only,phoney Tony is the leader, piss of Abbott and the coalition will romp it on, keep the women basher and its all tears for you. I hope they keep Abbott, I love watching you moan and cry.

Rudd was so popular that they had to get rid-off him

They were too afraid of Rudd losing to Abbott in the 2010 election which is why Gillard had to backstab him

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Soren delusional to the end. The last election was Gillard verse Abbott, both hated, Labor under Rudd will win coalition seats, and keep all if not most of the ones they now have.Labor will win the next election for one reason and one reason only,phoney Tony is the leader, piss of Abbott and the coalition will romp it on, keep the women basher and its all tears for you. I hope they keep Abbott, I love watching you moan and cry. Rudd was so popular that they had to get rid-off him They were too afraid of Rudd losing to Abbott in the 2010 election which is why Gillard had to backstab him

Yet even the lying little rodent says Rudd would have kicked Abbotts ass had he stayed leader, it must suck to be you. ;D :D ;D

Tony thinks this is "outsourcing" an Australian problem.

Tony doesn't think turning boats around to Indonesia is outsourcing.

How can anyone of sound mind vote for this absolute dumb f*ck wanker?

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Ammonsa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Maybe we should just let refugees into Australia, instead of putting them into detention camps that have literally been described as comparable with war POW camps. I don't know, but it feels like it'd be a lot EASIER to just grant these refugees fleeing to Australia, basic human rights, and decency. The refugees we do accept into Australia are granted basic human rights and decency. I believe we are in a position to accept more, and Rudd has promised to increase our intake of refugees if this deal with PNG works. The problem with onshore processing is that encourages many to make what is a very perilous trip without increasing the number of refugees we ultimately accept into Australia. We continue to take refugees and will do so under LIBs Rudd's the one who wants to change the UN Convention so he can send them to the bottom of the ocean

Really?  He said this where, Peta-puppet?

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Ammonsa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Maybe we should just let refugees into Australia, instead of putting them into detention camps that have literally been described as comparable with war POW camps. I don't know, but it feels like it'd be a lot EASIER to just grant these refugees fleeing to Australia, basic human rights, and decency. The refugees we do accept into Australia are granted basic human rights and decency. I believe we are in a position to accept more, and Rudd has promised to increase our intake of refugees if this deal with PNG works. The problem with onshore processing is that encourages many to make what is a very perilous trip without increasing the number of refugees we ultimately accept into Australia.

So the response to is put them into inhumane detention camps, and then now shove them off into a country that actually doesn't have a stellar record of human rights and basic living conditions?