Poll: How do you rate Kevin Rudd's decision to relocate all asylum seekers who arrive by boat to Papua New Guinea, and resettle them there if they are found to be genuine refugees?

A sensible solution to a difficult problem
44%
Passing the buck to a poorer country doesn't seem quite right
21%
A disgrace - it shirks Australia's moral, if not legal, obligations
35%

Total votes: 25283.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-to-send-asylum-seekers-who-arrive-by-boat-to-papua-new-guinea-20130719-2q9fa.html#poll

Good to see Australia isn't quite the moral vacuum others outside of may see us as.

Good on you people who still seeing refugees as people fleeing persecution.

If they are genuine refugees a new life in New Guinea should be like heaven to them but Im betting almost all of them opt to go home or register as a refugee in a safe second country and wait until their turn comes around.
Im not saying I agree with whats happening but it would have been just as bad for reffos if Tony had won the election and then we would have to put up with Abbott ruining our country.
I see it as the lesser of two evils not just for reffos but for the whole country.
Genuine refugees will be safe and our political crises (Abbott becoming PM) is now fixed

And when this whole thing has settled down in a few years time ASIO should take a leaf out of Mossads book and hunt down the people smugglers in Indonesia and Malaysia and cut their throats in their sleep.

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:42am:

Poll: How do you rate Kevin Rudd's decision to relocate all asylum seekers who arrive by boat to Papua New Guinea, and resettle them there if they are found to be genuine refugees? A sensible solution to a difficult problem 44% all lefties I would say who are relieved to see the second coming.. Passing the buck to a poorer country doesn't seem quite right 21% my take on it entirely.. PNG is poor and violent... A disgrace - it shirks Australia's moral, if not legal, obligations 35% I wont use the word disgrace.. but we are BRIBING them..how much will rudd tell us?????? I doubt it.. but when a nation is poor.. they will do anything for money... Total votes: 25283. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-to-send-asylum-seekers-who-arrive-by-boat-to-papua-new-guinea-20130719-2q9fa.html#poll Good to see Australia isn't quite the moral vacuum others outside of may see us as. Good on you people who still seeing refugees as people fleeing persecution.

why would they want to settle in a POOR COUNTRY... they have by passed other poor countries to get to a welfare country...

why not go straight to PNG in the first place.if they are taking in asylum seekers.

I am sure PNG needs more people to feed.

Genuine refugees will be safe in New Guinea and they still have the choice of registering in a second country and waiting for their refugee visa to come through which will give them the life in Australia they are seeking.
This fixes the political problem, saves lives at sea, takes the pressure off our Navy and keeps these people safe....The rest is up to those choosing to fly out of their countries in an attempt to cheat those who have been waiting years in a second country for a visa.
And best of all it trumps Juliar Bishop and Phony Tony  ;D

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:42am: Poll: How do you rate Kevin Rudd's decision to relocate all asylum seekers who arrive by boat to Papua New Guinea, and resettle them there if they are found to be genuine refugees? A sensible solution to a difficult problem 44% all lefties I would say who are relieved to see the second coming.. Passing the buck to a poorer country doesn't seem quite right 21% my take on it entirely.. PNG is poor and violent... A disgrace - it shirks Australia's moral, if not legal, obligations 35% I wont use the word disgrace.. but we are BRIBING them..how much will rudd tell us?????? I doubt it.. but when a nation is poor.. they will do anything for money... Total votes: 25283. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-to-send-asylum-seekers-who-arrive-by-boat-to-papua-new-guinea-20130719-2q9fa.html#poll Good to see Australia isn't quite the moral vacuum others outside of may see us as. Good on you people who still seeing refugees as people fleeing persecution. why would they want to settle in a POOR COUNTRY... they have by passed other poor countries to get to a welfare country... why not go straight to PNG in the first place.if they are taking in asylum seekers. I am sure PNG needs more people to feed.

Do you really think that any of these reffos will choose to stay in New Guinea?...They will be on planes faster than you can say "Phony Tony is a loser"

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Genuine refugees will be safe in New Guinea and they still have the choice of registering in a second country and waiting for their refugee visa to come through which will give them the life in Australia they are seeking. This fixes the political problem, saves lives at sea, takes the pressure off our Navy and keeps these people safe....The rest is up to those choosing to fly out of their countries in an attempt to cheat those who have been waiting years in a second country for a visa. And best of all it trumps Juliar Bishop and Phony Tony  ;D

so another backflip from psycho doesnt bother you...

and a lurch to the right.tadata. in this case hardright.. is A.OK for psycho.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

did you see lemon lips Milnes face..

bloody hilarious. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:07am: Genuine refugees will be safe in New Guinea and they still have the choice of registering in a second country and waiting for their refugee visa to come through which will give them the life in Australia they are seeking. This fixes the political problem, saves lives at sea, takes the pressure off our Navy and keeps these people safe....The rest is up to those choosing to fly out of their countries in an attempt to cheat those who have been waiting years in a second country for a visa. And best of all it trumps Juliar Bishop and Phony Tony  ;D so another backflip from psycho doesnt bother you... and a lurch to the right.tadata. in this case hardright.. is A.OK for psycho.. ;D ;D ;D ;D did you see lemon lips Milnes face.. bloody hilarious. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

How is this a backflip?..He said on his thunderous return that he would set about fixing Juliar and Wendys mess as well as admitting his own mistakes.
That all seems nothing like a backflip or the actions of a psycho to me

Unbelievable

For years you morons have been crying out about asylum seekers. Now that Rudd has found a solution, you call it a backflip ....

Unbelievable. Such a miserable bunch of wankers the lot of you

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:21am:

Unbelievable For years you morons have been crying out about asylum seekers. Now that Rudd has found a solution, you call it a backflip .... Unbelievable. Such a miserable bunch of wankers the lot of you

Fear is controlling them...whats the bet the election is called over the next few days and it will be early..everything the neo cons have been calling for...but they will still find something to complain about  :D

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

I doubt that Kevin O'Heaven cares about the Greens after they scuttled his ETS.
Im disappointed with the way the Greens have behaved over the last 6 yrs and they wont be getting my Senate vote..Nick X has that

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

I don't know about Western Sydney. People in my electorate have steadily begun voting for the Liberal Party for several years. It's happening all across Western Sydney. What looks bad for Labor is the backtracking.

Any policy that stoke the Greens wheel has my vote

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

and theres me thinking lemonlips milne was apoplectic over labor..


but she really luvs them

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:19am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:12am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:07am: Genuine refugees will be safe in New Guinea and they still have the choice of registering in a second country and waiting for their refugee visa to come through which will give them the life in Australia they are seeking. This fixes the political problem, saves lives at sea, takes the pressure off our Navy and keeps these people safe....The rest is up to those choosing to fly out of their countries in an attempt to cheat those who have been waiting years in a second country for a visa. And best of all it trumps Juliar Bishop and Phony Tony  ;D so another backflip from psycho doesnt bother you... and a lurch to the right.tadata. in this case hardright.. is A.OK for psycho.. ;D ;D ;D ;D did you see lemon lips Milnes face.. bloody hilarious. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D How is this a backflip?..He said on his thunderous return that he would set about fixing Juliar and Wendys mess as well as admitting his own mistakes. That all seems nothing like a backflip or the actions of a psycho to me

he also said... dont lurch to the right...tada..

he also said he had too much integrity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D to challenge.. lol..

you just thrive on his lies dont you..

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:42am: Poll: How do you rate Kevin Rudd's decision to relocate all asylum seekers who arrive by boat to Papua New Guinea, and resettle them there if they are found to be genuine refugees? A sensible solution to a difficult problem 44% all lefties I would say who are relieved to see the second coming.. Passing the buck to a poorer country doesn't seem quite right 21% my take on it entirely.. PNG is poor and violent... A disgrace - it shirks Australia's moral, if not legal, obligations 35% I wont use the word disgrace.. but we are BRIBING them..how much will rudd tell us?????? I doubt it.. but when a nation is poor.. they will do anything for money... Total votes: 25283. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-to-send-asylum-seekers-who-arrive-by-boat-to-papua-new-guinea-20130719-2q9fa.html#poll Good to see Australia isn't quite the moral vacuum others outside of may see us as. Good on you people who still seeing refugees as people fleeing persecution. why would they want to settle in a POOR COUNTRY... they have by passed other poor countries to get to a welfare country... why not go straight to PNG in the first place.if they are taking in asylum seekers. I am sure PNG needs more people to feed.

The point is to stop them getting on the boats via the people smugglers route to begin with, it succeeds at that. Don't you care about these people's life's? You sound like you're just bitter Rudd has a solution and phoney Tony can't carry on with his bullsh it. I care about the people, if they are genuine and escaping persecution they will be happy to seek asylum in PNG, if they are as you lot say seeking a financial benefit by coming here that will now be stopped. So what's your problem? You must want to see them continue to be smashed against the rocks ,do you?

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:58am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:42am: Poll: How do you rate Kevin Rudd's decision to relocate all asylum seekers who arrive by boat to Papua New Guinea, and resettle them there if they are found to be genuine refugees? A sensible solution to a difficult problem 44% all lefties I would say who are relieved to see the second coming.. Passing the buck to a poorer country doesn't seem quite right 21% my take on it entirely.. PNG is poor and violent... A disgrace - it shirks Australia's moral, if not legal, obligations 35% I wont use the word disgrace.. but we are BRIBING them..how much will rudd tell us?????? I doubt it.. but when a nation is poor.. they will do anything for money... Total votes: 25283. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-to-send-asylum-seekers-who-arrive-by-boat-to-papua-new-guinea-20130719-2q9fa.html#poll Good to see Australia isn't quite the moral vacuum others outside of may see us as. Good on you people who still seeing refugees as people fleeing persecution. why would they want to settle in a POOR COUNTRY... they have by passed other poor countries to get to a welfare country... why not go straight to PNG in the first place.if they are taking in asylum seekers. I am sure PNG needs more people to feed. The point is to stop them getting on the boats via the people smugglers route to begin with, it succeeds at that. Don't you care about these people's life's? You sound like you're just bitter Rudd has a solution and phoney Tony can't carry on with his bullsh it. I care about the people, if they are genuine and escaping persecution they will be happy to seek asylum in PNG, if they are as you lot say seeking a financial benefit by coming here that will now be stopped. So what's your problem? You must want to see them continue to be smashed against the rocks ,do you?

hey skip what happened to the born again greenie you onc e were..

lemonlip milne is furious..and greenwhine isnt much better..

when did the BOATS STOP?

hey I didnt drown anyone with bizarre policies..pscho did.. and now he is pretending he has found the answer.. hahahahahaha

sucker.

you guys just cant handle the truth..be honest.. oopps.. you dont get that word do youse..

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

So cods still wants to see people smashed against rocks all because Abbott is now snookered, typical.
As for the rest of your sh it, unlike you I don't hang off every word of the leader of the party I support. Unlike you, I care about these people's life's, Rudds solution, though not the best possible, is much better than drowning the refugees at sea, like you and your lot want to do.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

Yes you did

Bob Brown abandoned you

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

So cods still wants to see people smashed against rocks all because Abbott is now snookered, typical. As for the rest of your sh it, unlike you I don't hang off every word of the leader of the party I support. Unlike you, I care about these people's life's, Rudds solution, though not the best possible, is much better than drowning the refugees at sea, like you and your lot want to do.

Cods only supports what tony does.  And that's it.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. I doubt that Kevin O'Heaven cares about the Greens after they scuttled his ETS. Im disappointed with the way the Greens have behaved over the last 6 yrs and they wont be getting my Senate vote..Nick X has that

X is a fine politician sure yet the ETS will not protect the murray from drying up and adelaide dying of thirst.

Suppose you forgot the record heatwave down there about four years ago.

If you haven't you wouldn't be backing an undermining of action on dangerous climate change via a bargain basement carbon price and destruction of the renewable energy sector. 

Kevin Rudd has won the race to the bottom by outflanking Tony Abbott on the extreme Right.
Who'd have thought some on here would be pleased about it??

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:06am:

Any policy that stoke the Greens wheel has my vote

The only bonus from labor's backflip on morality is the undermining of abbott and the lack of oxygen to the lib election plans.

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

can you explain the word ignore???...


and perhaps your screeching of 1 million dead  could be a lie as well



AL ARABIYA WITH AGENCIES
At least 112,000 civilians were killed in the 10 years since the U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq that ousted Saddam Hussein, a new report published on Sunday said.

Including combatants on all sides of the decade-long conflict, as well as yet undocumented civilian fatalities, the figure could rise as high as 174,000, according to the Britain-based Iraq Body Count (IBC) group.

“This conflict is not yet history,” it said in its report, which put the number of civilian deaths since March 20, 2003 at between 112,017 and 122,438.



try taking your finger off the green PANIC b utton will you?


Hassein killed thousands I dont recall the greens b eing up in arms over him...

he gassed the kurds they died a horrible death..I havent seen one word on that.. and all they were doing was minding their own business..

they just happened to be in his way..


an other thing I havent seen a word on. is SYRIA... has your party taken any interest in what is happening right at this moment in SYRIA????????...if they have its news to me.. but Iraq is very much at the fore front..

how come greenswhine.. why no interest in SYRIA>??? its all playing out on the web..hard to IGNORE

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!! Yes you did Bob Brown abandoned you

How, is he voting conservative?


Hey maqqa, get back to headquarters and tell tony to up labor and send all plane refugees to PNG too.

You know, the ones that lie they are tourists and then claim refugee status on landing.

Start a scare campaign and Labor has to agree.

Come on, don't give up on this race down.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd has won the race to the bottom by outflanking Tony Abbott on the extreme Right. Who'd have thought some on here would be pleased about it??

we are not surprise at all.. buzz is back with a vengeance.[crayons and all] so is skip.. they are enraptured..

they believe every little lie/ pearl that dribble from his mouth... even the one about INTEGRITY..

a caring honorable man...  ::) ::)

The funny thing about the greens is that they are arguing the deterrent to stopping getting on the boats.  What the greens should be doing now is arguing what we do now that the boats will stop.  Change the debate!  Start asking how we are going to change our policies to support additional processing of asylum seekers that actually related to the global numbers and especially to the numbers waiting for processing in Indonesia.

But the greens will spend their efforts arguing against png and everyone will forget that all of a sudden with put blinkers over the true situation.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific. OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

Buzz never had integrity or morals cods, its hardly surprising.

I don't read skippy's posts to be honest, I class him as a village idiot without the brain power to hold a decent argument. His posts tend to be about socks and conga lines (though at least he stopped referring to a Congo line) - so I merely pass over them.

I think the support for a hard line right wing policy on asylum is quite enlightening but alleged humanitarians.

I must say Greens_win comes out of this as a guy who believes in principles here.
He's stuck to his beliefs.

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:48am: Kevin Rudd has won the race to the bottom by outflanking Tony Abbott on the extreme Right. Who'd have thought some on here would be pleased about it?? we are not surprise at all.. buzz is back with a vengeance.[crayons and all] so is skip.. they are enraptured.. they believe every little lie/ pearl that dribble from his mouth... even the one about INTEGRITY.. a caring honorable man...  ::) ::)

LOL you are sadly mistakes, AGAIN. I don't believe a word Rudd says, it will more then Likly get rejected when challenged in the high court. All I give a sh it about is seeing Abbott lose the election, Rudds job is nearly done. ;D ;D :D :D

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:44am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific. OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die. What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide. If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word. Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them. See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea.
This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct.

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:44am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific. OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die. What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide. If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word. Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them. See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

And deaths will continue happen.  Sure, we should be taking more from processing centers. 110% agree. That's what the greens should now be arguing, an not spending their time feeling outraged that wow we don't want people to use people smugglers to take them to their death.

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!! can you explain the word ignore???... and perhaps your screeching of 1 million dead  could be a lie as well AL ARABIYA WITH AGENCIES At least 112,000 civilians were killed in the 10 years since the U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq that ousted Saddam Hussein, a new report published on Sunday said. Including combatants on all sides of the decade-long conflict, as well as yet undocumented civilian fatalities, the figure could rise as high as 174,000, according to the Britain-based Iraq Body Count (IBC) group. “This conflict is not yet history,” it said in its report, which put the number of civilian deaths since March 20, 2003 at between 112,017 and 122,438. try taking your finger off the green PANIC b utton will you? Hassein killed thousands I dont recall the greens b eing up in arms over him... he gassed the kurds they died a horrible death..I havent seen one word on that.. and all they were doing was minding their own business.. they just happened to be in his way.. an other thing I havent seen a word on. is SYRIA... has your party taken any interest in what is happening right at this moment in SYRIA????????...if they have its news to me.. but Iraq is very much at the fore front.. how come greenswhine.. why no interest in SYRIA>??? its all playing out on the web..hard to IGNORE

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

The funny thing about the greens is that they are arguing the deterrent to stopping getting on the boats.  What the greens should be doing now is arguing what we do now that the boats will stop.  Change the debate!  Start asking how we are going to change our policies to support additional processing of asylum seekers that actually related to the global numbers and especially to the numbers waiting for processing in Indonesia. But the greens will spend their efforts arguing against png and everyone will forget that all of a sudden with put blinkers over the true situation.

Will the boats really stop?

What of the massive migration from the path of climate inaction humanity is on.

The boats will not stop ... and I will never see these vulnerable people as any less than humans.

LibLab have set a precedent that will reverberate throughout all areas of life.

If we can treat refugees inhumanely, we can not treat the most vulnerable Australians as inhumanely as we like.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:59am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:44am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific. OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die. What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide. If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word. Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them. See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service. But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea. This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct.

Stop the business model by going to the camps of malaysia and indonesia and offer to take all the children without parents first and then all the children with parents second (offer the parents a path later). Offer open communication between parents and children so they can see their children are being given all the opportunities we can give them.

Bring them here, educate and offer all the assistance to decrease the damage already done.

If people are worried about the children drowning, what of the sexual and mental abuse within the camps?

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:58am: The funny thing about the greens is that they are arguing the deterrent to stopping getting on the boats.  What the greens should be doing now is arguing what we do now that the boats will stop.  Change the debate!  Start asking how we are going to change our policies to support additional processing of asylum seekers that actually related to the global numbers and especially to the numbers waiting for processing in Indonesia. But the greens will spend their efforts arguing against png and everyone will forget that all of a sudden with put blinkers over the true situation. Will the boats really stop? What of the massive migration from the path of climate inaction humanity is on. The boats will not stop ... and I will never see these vulnerable people as any less than humans. LibLab have set a precedent that will reverberate throughout all areas of life. If we can treat refugees inhumanely, we can not treat the most vulnerable Australians as inhumanely as we like.

And that's the difference. The greens are okay it seems with people risking their life.  That's why they are radical.  A true centre left says "good,  I do hope the boats stop so the death at sea stops. Now govenment, what do you plan to do about the fact your "quota" doesn't reflect the times, and what are you going to do about people being stuck in processing camps or stateless in Indonesia?  Now tat you have tackled the boats, what will you do about our humanitarian program being so sh1t?"

That's the centre left view.  And I'm so sick of the greens being the reflection of the modeen left.  Because they aren't.  Give me back the democrats any day of the week.

ok greeny I have just watched Morrison on ABC24.. and what he says  no one can really deny..

there is no agreement.. none that anyone other than rudd knows about anyway..

there is/was no consultation with anyone its all about rudd..

everything and everywhere its chaos.. now its Nauru s turn..

every policy ends up in chaos.or confusion or both...

and they expect this to work..

we do have a right to know what this entails..HOW MUCH for starters.. what has this mega maniac signed us up for????

last I heard we dont have ANY MONEY...


and when Port Moresby sees the riots they may change their minds.. I know I would.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:59am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:44am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific. OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die. What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide. If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word. Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them. See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service. And deaths will continue happen.  Sure, we should be taking more from processing centers. 110% agree. That's what the greens should now be arguing, an not spending their time feeling outraged that wow we don't want people to use people smugglers to take them to their death.

Greens are quite capable of chewing and spiting. Just because we oppose the moral sellout of both old parties doesn't mean we have neglected other areas required for humanely handling issues.

I have always said that we should have had a referendum on this issue... including asking the question about Australia withdrawing from the UN Refugee Convention.

That was never going to happen, of course. Because everyone - especially the politicians - knows what the result would be.

But, we got the next best thing. Yesterday's announcement by Kevin Rudd was pretty much an admission that the majority of Australians wanted something done about this problem because all Kevin is really worried about is winning the upcoming Federal election.

Double post. Sorry.

My original post from 15 minutes ago magically appeared when I posted it again just now.

Carl D wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

I have always said that we should have had a referendum on this issue... including asking the question about Australia withdrawing from the UN Refugee Convention. That was never going to happen, of course. Because everyone - especially the politicians - knows what the result would be. But, we got the next best thing. Yesterday's announcement by Kevin Rudd was pretty much an admission that the majority of Australians wanted something done about this problem because all Kevin is really worried about is winning the upcoming Federal election

is this what we want????...hummmmmmmmmmmm.

do we really think the people smugglers are going to take any notice of backflip labor.

will we be taken to court again does anyone kn ow???..I can see all those lawyers rubbing their hands..

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 10:03am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:59am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:44am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific. OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die. What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide. If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word. Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them. See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service. But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea. This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct. Stop the business model by going to the camps of malaysia and indonesia and offer to take all the children without parents first and then all the children with parents second (offer the parents a path later). Offer open communication between parents and children so they can see their children are being given all the opportunities we can give them. Bring them here, educate and offer all the assistance to decrease the damage already done. If people are worried about the children drowning, what of the sexual and mental abuse within the camps?

Then you'll have 50,000 children coming here.

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs.

The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!! Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs. The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green.

I was looking forward to a strong Greens party but they have proven that they are nothing more than a protest party who will be lucking to get any votes this time around. I am very disappointed with the Greens after the chance the Australian people gave them.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 11:18am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!! Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs. The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green. I was looking forward to a strong Greens party but they have proven that they are nothing more than a protest party who will be lucking to get any votes this time around. I am very disappointed with the Greens after the chance the Australian people gave them.

they had a chance to affect change, improve policy make real progress .... instead they opted to become the class clown. I doubt many will take them seriously from now on.

Agreed. Christine Milne comes across like an old NIMBY crank. I’m seriously thinking of giving my vote to Labor.

They have offered nothing to this debate other than 1970s solutions to a growing humanitarian crisis.

Mind you, it’s hilarious to see the Tele parroting their lines. How can we send them to New Guinea? They have headhunters and pygmies with poison darts!

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Agreed. Christine Milne comes across like an old NIMBY crank. I’m seriously thinking of giving my vote to Labor. They have offered nothing to this debate other than 1970s solutions to a growing humanitarian crisis. Mind you, it’s hilarious to see the Tele parroting their lines. How can we send them to New Guinea? They have headhunters and pygmies with poison darts!

With the women taking over the Greens they resemble the Democrats in their death throes.
Aging hippy women in charge do nothing to inspire confidence in anyone

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 10:18am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 10:03am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:59am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:44am: ____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:38am: adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs. Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie.. Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances. i.e via the UN convention on refugees. This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific. OK so what is the greens solution?  I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate.  So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea?  The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine.  They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward?  Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die. What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide. If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word. Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them. See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service. But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea. This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct. Stop the business model by going to the camps of malaysia and indonesia and offer to take all the children without parents first and then all the children with parents second (offer the parents a path later). Offer open communication between parents and children so they can see their children are being given all the opportunities we can give them. Bring them here, educate and offer all the assistance to decrease the damage already done. If people are worried about the children drowning, what of the sexual and mental abuse within the camps? Then you'll have 50,000 children coming here.

OMG ... save us from the children.

Come on bobby, you can do better than that.

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

____ wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 9:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:29am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 8:26am: Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >> the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die. The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal. There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people. If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars. Part of the push factor don't forget !!! Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs. The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green.

The Greens are doing just fine.
Those doing what is right not always start out popular.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 11:47am: Agreed. Christine Milne comes across like an old NIMBY crank. I’m seriously thinking of giving my vote to Labor. They have offered nothing to this debate other than 1970s solutions to a growing humanitarian crisis. Mind you, it’s hilarious to see the Tele parroting their lines. How can we send them to New Guinea? They have headhunters and pygmies with poison darts! With the women taking over the Greens they resemble the Democrats in their death throes. Aging hippy women in charge do nothing to inspire confidence in anyone

Then you have nothing to fear from the Greens.

Greens,

Quote:

OMG ... save us from the children. Come on bobby, you can do better than that.

Greens - you are well meaning but you must accept reality.
We are not going to open our doors to the 100's of millions of displaced people.

There has to be a limit.
We are already very generous & accept many people from refugee camps.

Greens, your stance on this issue has been admirable.

I disagree on near on every political view you hold but admire your ethical and principled view on issues.

Your refusal to back something you don't believe in just because it may cost Tony Abbott votes does you credit and quite a few on here could learn a thing or two off you.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Greens, Quote: OMG ... save us from the children. Come on bobby, you can do better than that. Greens - you are well meaning but you must accept reality. We are not going to open our doors to the 100's of millions of displaced people. There has to be a limit. We are already very generous & accept many people from refugee camps.

Boby, as a lefty, I don't not agree with your current position.

When you realise your error, we will welcome you back with open arms.

Be careful where your messiah is leading you.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Greens, your stance on this issue has been admirable. I disagree on near on every political view you hold but admire your ethical and principled view on issues. Your refusal to back something you don't believe in just because it may cost Tony Abbott votes does you credit and quite a few on here could learn a thing or two off you.

Listen to Piers Ackerman here.

What’s the bet Piers says just this to David Marr on Insiders tomorrow?

I’ll put money down.

Dumping thousands of people in PNG for 12 months?
Dumping the carbon tax for an ETS he can't get through the senate?

Classic Rudd.
Election time gimmick with little long term thought in mind.

Still some people will follow anything to win...

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Greens, your stance on this issue has been admirable. I disagree on near on every political view you hold but admire your ethical and principled view on issues. Your refusal to back something you don't believe in just because it may cost Tony Abbott votes does you credit and quite a few on here could learn a thing or two off you.

Making me feel dirty since we are on the same side ... that aside, thanks.

"The evidence we hold from Papua New Guinea points to continued, widespread and pervasive violence, including against women in particular. There is also evidence of serious and ongoing daily human rights abuse.
The fact PNG is a signatory to the Refugee Convention but has elected to opt out of commitments to provide refugees with freedom of movement, education, housing or employment - causes us to find the announcement by the Australian Government as deeply concerning.

Amnesty cannot in any way support this treatment of displaced people which places them in continued danger."

Amnesty International
July 19, 2013.

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Greens, Quote: OMG ... save us from the children. Come on bobby, you can do better than that. Greens - you are well meaning but you must accept reality. We are not going to open our doors to the 100's of millions of displaced people. There has to be a limit. We are already very generous & accept many people from refugee camps. Boby, as a lefty, I don't not agree with your current position. When you realise your error, we will welcome you back with open arms. Be careful where your messiah is leading you.

We'll let master Light be the judge.   ;)

And New Guinea has actually asked Australia for assistance with security on Manus Island to address this problem.

For me, this is the weak link in this scheme. New Guineans themselves aren’t happy with it.

Rudd is betting, however, that very few refugees will make it there.

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

And New Guinea has actually asked Australia for assistance with security on Manus Island to address this problem. For me, this is the weak link in this scheme. New Guineans themselves aren’t happy with it. Rudd is betting, however, that very few refugees will make it there.

Im willing to bet that only a handful of people will end up staying in New Guinea..most of them will go home once they find out its hopeless.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:48pm:

"The evidence we hold from Papua New Guinea points to continued, widespread and pervasive violence, including against women in particular. There is also evidence of serious and ongoing daily human rights abuse. The fact PNG is a signatory to the Refugee Convention but has elected to opt out of commitments to provide refugees with freedom of movement, education, housing or employment - causes us to find the announcement by the Australian Government as deeply concerning. Amnesty cannot in any way support this treatment of displaced people which places them in continued danger." Amnesty International July 19, 2013.

Tony Abbott is going to continue with the policy if by some miracle he gets voted in so all the complaining in the world wont change anything and in fact as the reffo numbers build up in Malaysia and Indonesia with no where to go Im betting they will also finally start doing something about the problem.

Carl D wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Double post. Sorry. My original post from 15 minutes ago magically appeared when I posted it again just now.

That seems to happen when we start a new page.

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

I am sure PNG needs more people to feed.

Not to worry. Muslims being Muslims they'll soon have a highly profitable industry in drug farming, production, and smuggling to New Zealand and Australia.

They'll soon have poppy-fields and marijuana plantations growing in the inaccessible parts of the New Guinea Highlands ~ (Owen Stanley Range, etc).

It's going to be mighty interesting to see how PNG applies its newly-introduced death penalties when the Muslims start their raping, murdering, and robbery.

Yes ~ rape and robbery attract the death sentence.

Any executions and it will all be Rudd's fault...

Rudd the Hangman

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

cods wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:58am: I am sure PNG needs more people to feed. Not to worry. Muslims being Muslims they'll soon have a highly profitable industry in drug farming, production, and smuggling to New Zealand and Australia. They'll soon have poppy-fields and marijuana plantations growing in the inaccessible parts of the New Guinea Highlands ~ (Owen Stanley Range, etc). It's going to be mighty interesting to see how PNG applies its newly-introduced death penalties when the Muslims start their raping, murdering, and robbery. Yes ~ rape and robbery attract the death sentence. Any executions and it will all be Rudd's fault... Rudd the Hangman

You do realise that the Libs have come out in support of the policy

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Carl D wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 10:36am: Double post. Sorry. My original post from 15 minutes ago magically appeared when I posted it again just now. That seems to happen when we start a new page.

Rudd has certainly started a new page in Australia's Refugees policy.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

You do realise that the Libs have come out in support of the policy

What Libs?

Rudd has out-Libbed Abbott by a mile. Rudd's latest policy decision has put Abbott's Liberal Party way to the Left of the Rudd government.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:42pm: You do realise that the Libs have come out in support of the policy What Libs? Rudd has out-Libbed Abbott by a mile. Rudd's latest policy decision has put Abbott's Liberal Party way to the Left of the Rudd government.

Herbie is a good little rightard, he wants the refuges to drown at sea like cods and phoney tony.

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:42am:

Poll: How do you rate Kevin Rudd's decision to relocate all asylum seekers who arrive by boat to Papua New Guinea, and resettle them there if they are found to be genuine refugees? A sensible solution to a difficult problem 44% Passing the buck to a poorer country doesn't seem quite right 21% A disgrace - it shirks Australia's moral, if not legal, obligations 35% Total votes: 25283. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-to-send-asylum-seekers-who-arrive-by-boat-to-papua-new-guinea-20130719-2q9fa.html#poll Good to see Australia isn't quite the moral vacuum others outside of may see us as. Good on you people who still seeing refugees as people fleeing persecution.

I give it two thumbs up. We don't want or need this filth in our country. What awaits them is the verdant countryside of beautiful PNG. A far cry from the sand sh!tholes that these people are fleeing after turning their own countries into war zones via ethnic, religious or tribal clashes. They are getting more than they deserve. Are they eleutheromaniacs or not.