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http://smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Papua_New_Guinea [list bull-redarrow] We advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime. Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks. Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent. Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces. Local authorities have advised of a heightened risk of armed robbery and attack at well-attended shopping centres in urban areas, including Port Moresby. Since June 2011, there have been a number of violent incidents in parts of The Highlands, Oro Province, Central and Southern Bougainville, and Lae. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in these areas and monitor local media reporting for information about the security situation. Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime. Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy. There has been an increase in reported incidents of sexual assault, including gang rape, and foreigners have been targeted. These crimes are primarily opportunistic and occur without warning. We recommend you monitor your personal security, in both public and private surroundings, and ensure you have appropriate security measures in place. Given the difficult terrain, extreme weather conditions and the condition of some remote airfields in PNG, flying in PNG carries greater safety risks than flying in Australia. On 13 October 2011, an Airlines PNG aircraft crashed near Madang, killing 28 people. Part of the Airlines PNG fleet was grounded on safety concerns but has since been cleared to fly following the implementation of additional safety measures. Cholera is now considered as endemic in PNG. See the Health section for more information. Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.

It will be ok. Even when the first rapes and murders of asylum seekers come pouring in, it won't be the ALPs fault.

Nothing ever is.

Gang rapes aside - it's a BL00dy long and expensive way to come to die from cholera  ;D ;D ;D

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

Quote: http://smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Papua_New_Guinea [list bull-redarrow] We advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime. Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks. Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent. Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces. Local authorities have advised of a heightened risk of armed robbery and attack at well-attended shopping centres in urban areas, including Port Moresby. Since June 2011, there have been a number of violent incidents in parts of The Highlands, Oro Province, Central and Southern Bougainville, and Lae. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in these areas and monitor local media reporting for information about the security situation. Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime. Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy. There has been an increase in reported incidents of sexual assault, including gang rape, and foreigners have been targeted. These crimes are primarily opportunistic and occur without warning. We recommend you monitor your personal security, in both public and private surroundings, and ensure you have appropriate security measures in place. Given the difficult terrain, extreme weather conditions and the condition of some remote airfields in PNG, flying in PNG carries greater safety risks than flying in Australia. On 13 October 2011, an Airlines PNG aircraft crashed near Madang, killing 28 people. Part of the Airlines PNG fleet was grounded on safety concerns but has since been cleared to fly following the implementation of additional safety measures. Cholera is now considered as endemic in PNG. See the Health section for more information. Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.

Wow, nearly sounds as bad as Sydney. :-?
I've been to PNG. Twice actually, and it's a bloody great place. Do you have to watch out for certain security alerts? Yep, just like Bali or Phuket. ::) other than that its great, I could easily live there.

Seems strange that Maqqa has no problem towing them back to Indonesia.

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:16pm:

Seems strange that Maqqa has no problem towing them back to Indonesia.

That is the port where they board the boat

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:16pm: Seems strange that Maqqa has no problem towing them back to Indonesia. That is the port where they board the boat

Not all of them..sum come straight from Vietnam and Sri Lanka

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:20pm: MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:16pm: Seems strange that Maqqa has no problem towing them back to Indonesia. That is the port where they board the boat Not all of them..sum come straight from Vietnam and Sri Lanka

How many boats came STRAIGHT from Vietnam and Sri Lanka in the last 6 years?

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:16pm: Seems strange that Maqqa has no problem towing them back to Indonesia. That is the port where they board the boat

Well if they don't fancy PNG, they can stay in Indonesia.

Saves the Australian navy having to tow back the boats.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:24pm: Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:20pm: MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:16pm: Seems strange that Maqqa has no problem towing them back to Indonesia. That is the port where they board the boat Not all of them..sum come straight from Vietnam and Sri Lanka How many boats came STRAIGHT from Vietnam and Sri Lanka in the last 6 years?

Look it up..Im not your mother.
Hey in case you forgot the Libs like Kevins idea so much that they are  adopting Kevins PNG solution.
The Boats are Stopped  ;D

Maqqa, interesting that your travel alert bears some comparison to the one current about Bali, only missing the terrorist attacks. So its ok for them to get towed back to where all of the above is happening including terrorist attacks but not to a place where the likelihood of a terrosit attack is low. Youre on a loser here. This was a masterstroke by Rudd and he very well may have permanently solved the boat problem. The very last thing any of these economic migrants want is to live next door to or in a country full of illiterate tribal  blacks.

ian wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Maqqa, interesting that your travel alert bears some comparison to the one current about Bali, only missing the terrorist attacks. So its ok for them to get towed back to where all of the above is happening including terrorist attacks but not to a place where the likelihood of a terrosit attack is low. Youre on a loser here. This was a masterstroke by Rudd and he very well may have permanently solved the boat problem. The very last thing any of these economic migrants want is to live next door to or in a country full of illiterate tribal  blacks.

Bali is within Indonesia but it is not the port to which the departed from

The fact that they ARE already in Indonesia - they are responsible for the costs and choices they make

Rudd will cart them off to PNG ie he's now inherited the responsibility of these warnings

Indonesia is Indonesia, travel warning relevant to all of Indonesia. Anyway, prediction, very few potential asylum seekers will take Rudds humanitarian option to resettle in PNG. If any. He has cut off the people smugglers business plan. This is why I will be voting ALP, Rudd is an intellectual giant compared to Abbott and the rest of the Libs.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

ian wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:39pm: Maqqa, interesting that your travel alert bears some comparison to the one current about Bali, only missing the terrorist attacks. So its ok for them to get towed back to where all of the above is happening including terrorist attacks but not to a place where the likelihood of a terrosit attack is low. Youre on a loser here. This was a masterstroke by Rudd and he very well may have permanently solved the boat problem. The very last thing any of these economic migrants want is to live next door to or in a country full of illiterate tribal  blacks. Bali is within Indonesia but it is not the port to which the departed from The fact that they ARE already in Indonesia - they are responsible for the costs and choices they make Rudd will cart them off to PNG ie he's now inherited the responsibility of these warnings

So will the Libs coz they reckon the new policy is great..are you a reborn Greenie Maqqa  ;D

ian wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

Indonesia is Indonesia, travel warning relevant to all of Indonesia. Anyway, prediction, very few potential asylum seekers will take Rudds humanitarian option to resettle in PNG. If any. He has cut off the people smugglers business plan. This is why I will be voting ALP, Rudd is an intellectual giant compared to Abbott and the rest of the Libs.

So you are prepared to give a good predict to Rudd but not to Abbott

Your intellectual giant is a runt compared to Abbott

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:43pm: ian wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:39pm: Maqqa, interesting that your travel alert bears some comparison to the one current about Bali, only missing the terrorist attacks. So its ok for them to get towed back to where all of the above is happening including terrorist attacks but not to a place where the likelihood of a terrosit attack is low. Youre on a loser here. This was a masterstroke by Rudd and he very well may have permanently solved the boat problem. The very last thing any of these economic migrants want is to live next door to or in a country full of illiterate tribal  blacks. Bali is within Indonesia but it is not the port to which the departed from The fact that they ARE already in Indonesia - they are responsible for the costs and choices they make Rudd will cart them off to PNG ie he's now inherited the responsibility of these warnings So will the Libs coz they reckon the new policy is great..are you a reborn Greenie Maqqa  ;D

It's about sticking close so Rudd takes the political hit from the bleeding hearts and if the boats stops then Abbott can do a Swannie when he claimed credit for the Greatest Treasurer

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

ian wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:53pm: Indonesia is Indonesia, travel warning relevant to all of Indonesia. Anyway, prediction, very few potential asylum seekers will take Rudds humanitarian option to resettle in PNG. If any. He has cut off the people smugglers business plan. This is why I will be voting ALP, Rudd is an intellectual giant compared to Abbott and the rest of the Libs. So you are prepared to give a good predict to Rudd but not to Abbott Your intellectual giant is a runt compared to Abbott

Right, so thats why Abbott has come up with an election winning solution to stop the boats.  ::)

The crap he comes up with ... it's hilarious ...

panic panic panic

it must be fun there at Liberal HQ right now, Gumpy. .....

Where did you stay, Skip, the Port Moresby Hilton?

Interesting point about ethnic disturbances. Just imagine how much more fun it'll be when you add Sri Lankans, Burmese and Iraqis into the mix.

This is the craziest "solution" I have ever heard.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:

Where did you stay, Skip, the Port Moresby Hilton? Interesting point about ethnic disturbances. Just imagine how much more fun it'll be when you add Sri Lankans, Burmese and Iraqis into the mix. This is the craziest "solution" I have ever heard.

Given the problem under resolution is Achmed the People Smuggler causing the deaths of people, exactly what is 'crazy' about this solution?  Do you reckon a desperate refugee is gonna hand over thousands of real money to Achmed for a quiet, leisurely Indian Ocean cruise from Indonesia to idyllic equatorially tropical  Manus Paradise?

The PNG 'solution' will unravel in a few weeks or months. Rudd is betting that it will unravel after he is re-elected.

If he is re-elected, he will be dumped again. But I don't think he will be re-elected. There are a lot of dumb fvcks in this country, as in every other, but it is unlikely that the majority are dumb fvcks (except for the dumb bugger majority in 2007).

Will history repeat itself? Rudd is now campaigning as the the de facto opposition leader against the Gillard government. His bounce is due to the fact that he is not Gillard. He won in 2007 because he was not Howard. He is good at undermining and self-[positioning.

He can't govern, never has been able to. His record in government is worse than Gillard's. But now all the usual sycophants are svking each other's d!x and can barely contain themselves: 'Rudd is going to send boat people to a third-world hell hole even worse than the third world hell holes they hail from. Brilliant!!

But it won't work. Wait til the first 12 year old asylum seeker is gang raped or murdered in PNG and the whole stupid scheme will collapse overnight.

ian wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:59pm: ian wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 3:53pm: Indonesia is Indonesia, travel warning relevant to all of Indonesia. Anyway, prediction, very few potential asylum seekers will take Rudds humanitarian option to resettle in PNG. If any. He has cut off the people smugglers business plan. This is why I will be voting ALP, Rudd is an intellectual giant compared to Abbott and the rest of the Libs. So you are prepared to give a good predict to Rudd but not to Abbott Your intellectual giant is a runt compared to Abbott Right, so thats why Abbott has come up with an election winning solution to stop the boats.  ::)

The solution has always been around

The solution have seen 2 sitting ALP-PM dumped from the top job

The solution is not the only determinant for winning an election

So you are inaccurate with your comments

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http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/png/png_brief.html Some 85 per cent of the population directly derive their livelihood from farming, and 15 per cent of the population live in urban areas

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D