Papua New Guinea has just embraced the death penalty ... should Australia's refugees dumped in concentration camps there be exposed to potential execution?

If Australians accepts people being executed in PNG, then should we have the death penalty reinstated in Australia?

Should we be tough on crime in this country ... or bleeding heart lefties with moral compasses.

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for gods sake take that picture off.. that is appalling..

Stop stressing out, Greens.

Doesn't look like anyone's going to PNG anyway.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374353412

Which was the whole idea behind Kevin's plan (apart from trying to win the upcoming election, of course).

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:18am:

for gods sake take that picture off.. that is appalling..

Stick to topic

Do you support the death penalty?

Carl D wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:21am:

Stop stressing out, Greens. Doesn't look like anyone's going to PNG anyway. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374353412 Which was the whole idea behind Kevin's plan (apart from trying to win the upcoming election, of course).

The boats will still come ... even lab minster Burk on TV stated that this morning.

And, I do support the reintroduction of the death penalty here in Australia.

We can start with that piece of human garbage that raped and murdered Jill Meagher.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:22am:

cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:18am: for gods sake take that picture off.. that is appalling.. Stick to topic Do you support the death penalty?

No.

PNG's laws are for PNG to establish.
Not us.
Those white colonial boy days are gone green, and they are not coming back.
And yes, I do support the death penalty and always have.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

Papua New Guinea has just embraced the death penalty ... should Australia's refugees dumped in concentration camps there be exposed to potential execution? If Australians accepts people being executed in PNG, then should we have the death penalty reinstated in Australia? Should we be tough on crime in this country ... or bleeding heart lefties with moral compasses.

Yes indeed, and a good start would be with the Green Party members

Kat wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:24am:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:22am: cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:18am: for gods sake take that picture off.. that is appalling.. Stick to topic Do you support the death penalty? No.

Yet labor support exposing children we are responsible for to being executed.

Seems labor supporters rushing to the ultra right on issues have exposed themselves to being exposed as hypocrites.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:25am:

PNG's laws are for PNG to establish. Not us. Those white colonial boy days are gone green, and they are not coming back. And yes, I do support the death penalty and always have.

Carr voices objection to death penalty in PNG

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-04/carr-voices-objection-to-death-penalty-in-png/4669804

Perhaps not

De-registered User wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:27am:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:16am: Papua New Guinea has just embraced the death penalty ... should Australia's refugees dumped in concentration camps there be exposed to potential execution? If Australians accepts people being executed in PNG, then should we have the death penalty reinstated in Australia? Should we be tough on crime in this country ... or bleeding heart lefties with moral compasses. Yes indeed, and a good start would be with the Green Party members

On what grounds ... they are a threat to political power for the dumbarses on the right.

De-registered User wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:27am:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:16am: Papua New Guinea has just embraced the death penalty ... should Australia's refugees dumped in concentration camps there be exposed to potential execution? If Australians accepts people being executed in PNG, then should we have the death penalty reinstated in Australia? Should we be tough on crime in this country ... or bleeding heart lefties with moral compasses. Yes indeed, and a good start would be with the Green Party members

Why do so many right-wingers have these fascist fantasies.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:31am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:25am: PNG's laws are for PNG to establish. Not us. Those white colonial boy days are gone green, and they are not coming back. And yes, I do support the death penalty and always have. Carr voices objection to death penalty in PNG http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-04/carr-voices-objection-to-death-penalty-in-png/4669804 Perhaps not

Carr does not control PNG laws, and his opinion whilst duly noted in PNG will be ignored.
PNG's sovereignty ensures this.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:45am:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:31am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:25am: PNG's laws are for PNG to establish. Not us. Those white colonial boy days are gone green, and they are not coming back. And yes, I do support the death penalty and always have. Carr voices objection to death penalty in PNG http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-04/carr-voices-objection-to-death-penalty-in-png/4669804 Perhaps not Carr does not control PNG laws, and his opinion whilst duly noted in PNG will be ignored. PNG's sovereignty ensures this.

Why did we go into iraq/afghanistan?

Was it to inflict our views of how the country should operate ?

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:18am:

for gods sake take that picture off.. that is appalling..

I like the way they weighed the three of them to find out which two weighed the same for the swinging cross-bar. That's the sort of efficiency I admire.

"We've got only two cranes for three buggerists, Mustafa. What are we going to do?"

"Not a problem, Mohamed! Go get the scales".

COD ~ Some of you sob-sisters really amaze me. You find the picture appalling, and yet you and your sympathisers are at the forefront of the crowds protesting that these Muslims who totally agree with these executions should be inducted into Australian society rather than be shunted off elsewhere.

It's not the picture that is so appalling as it is the contradictory morality that you poor neurotic souls are so much a victim of.

Have a Nice Day ~ and please take time out to reset your moral compass.

Remember the news exposure of all those horrific animal-cruelty people in the abattoirs of Indonesia? Would you be losing your knickers in protests on their behalf?

So why the hysteria in defence of people who thoroughly approve of what you see in this photo?

Have a BEX and a nice lie-down, and reconsider your moral priorities, please.

:)

(Think of me as your Moral Consultant. I'm on call 24/7)


   

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:51am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:45am: ____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:31am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:25am: PNG's laws are for PNG to establish. Not us. Those white colonial boy days are gone green, and they are not coming back. And yes, I do support the death penalty and always have. Carr voices objection to death penalty in PNG http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-04/carr-voices-objection-to-death-penalty-in-png/4669804 Perhaps not Carr does not control PNG laws, and his opinion whilst duly noted in PNG will be ignored. PNG's sovereignty ensures this. Why did we go into iraq/afghanistan? Was it to inflict our views of how the country should operate ?

Somehow freeing people doesn't really inflict anything eh.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 1:20pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:51am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:45am: ____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:31am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:25am: PNG's laws are for PNG to establish. Not us. Those white colonial boy days are gone green, and they are not coming back. And yes, I do support the death penalty and always have. Carr voices objection to death penalty in PNG http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-04/carr-voices-objection-to-death-penalty-in-png/4669804 Perhaps not Carr does not control PNG laws, and his opinion whilst duly noted in PNG will be ignored. PNG's sovereignty ensures this. Why did we go into iraq/afghanistan? Was it to inflict our views of how the country should operate ? Somehow freeing people doesn't really inflict anything eh.

Freeing them from non western thinking?

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 1:45pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 1:20pm: ____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:51am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:45am: ____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:31am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:25am: PNG's laws are for PNG to establish. Not us. Those white colonial boy days are gone green, and they are not coming back. And yes, I do support the death penalty and always have. Carr voices objection to death penalty in PNG http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-04/carr-voices-objection-to-death-penalty-in-png/4669804 Perhaps not Carr does not control PNG laws, and his opinion whilst duly noted in PNG will be ignored. PNG's sovereignty ensures this. Why did we go into iraq/afghanistan? Was it to inflict our views of how the country should operate ? Somehow freeing people doesn't really inflict anything eh. Freeing them from non western thinking?

Ignorance is not bliss Green.

Hey, Greens, how many refugees do they have in Texas, Arizona, New Maxico, Florida and California?

About ten million?

What’s the death penalty rate there?

Karnal wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Hey, Greens, how many refugees do they have in Texas, Arizona, New Maxico, Florida and California? About ten million? What’s the death penalty rate there?

How many of our boat refugees are australia planning on dumping over there?

Try keeping up. 

Carl D wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:24am:

And, I do support the reintroduction of the death penalty here in Australia. We can start with that piece of human garbage that raped and murdered Jill Meagher.

I second that motion. In fact, I would volunteer to do the job of executioner for free in his case.

You gotta do something terrible to get the death penalty, and yes I support it.

woof woof wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 3:10pm:

You gotta do something terrible to get the death penalty, and yes I support it.

Yeah like being found guilty for a crime you didn't do.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 3:24pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 3:10pm: You gotta do something terrible to get the death penalty, and yes I support it. Yeah like being found guilty for a crime you didn't do.

If there is compelling evidence like the confession Jill Meagher's killer gave?

True Colours wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 3:34pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 3:24pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 3:10pm: You gotta do something terrible to get the death penalty, and yes I support it. Yeah like being found guilty for a crime you didn't do. If there is compelling evidence like the confession Jill Meagher's killer gave?

So resulting in no one making confessions.

Harder to get guilty results ...

FMD....not another death penalty thread.  It's been done to death twice in the last month!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd3ffab90cc338666f192fd86f6a4f8f/tumblr_mltt45yEdW1rv4ho6o2_500.gif

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 3:44pm:

So resulting in no one making confessions. Harder to get guilty results ...

Thats nonsense, human psychology doesnt work that way. The predators who proclaim their innocence will continue to do so regardless of the penalty involved. Look at Derek Percy, he is on his deathbed and has nothing to lose by confessing his crimes but refuses to do so. Just as many who do murder will confess to get it off their chest , again regardles of the penalty. there are those with consciences and those without, the DP changes nothing in this regard.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

Papua New Guinea has just embraced the death penalty ...

It's about time the rascals were culled. I believe they are in plague proportion over there.

A little Swing-High-Swing-Low should reduce their numbers somewhat.

It could become a tourist attraction.


____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

... should Australia's refugees dumped in concentration camps there be exposed to potential execution?

They won't be Australia's refugees. They will be Indonesia's refugees, and we can only hope that if they are caught for rape, robbery, or 'radicating someone ~ they'll swing, instead of receiving the pampering they get in our judicial system.


____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

If Australians accepts people being executed in PNG, then should we have the death penalty reinstated in Australia?

Of course. But only for a very limited kind of murderer. The Jill Meagher murderer would fit the bill perfectly.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 2:24pm: Hey, Greens, how many refugees do they have in Texas, Arizona, New Maxico, Florida and California? About ten million? What’s the death penalty rate there? How many of our boat refugees are australia planning on dumping over there? Try keeping up.

How many are the UNHCR dumping there?

Karnal wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 4:18pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 2:43pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 2:24pm: Hey, Greens, how many refugees do they have in Texas, Arizona, New Maxico, Florida and California? About ten million? What’s the death penalty rate there? How many of our boat refugees are australia planning on dumping over there? Try keeping up.  How many are the UNHCR dumping there?

What does it mean when a person answer your question with another question?

Answer:
It's often a "fogging" technique to confound the questioner and buy time before responding to the original question. A classic self-assertiveness strategy; useful if used sparingly when being, for example, unduly pressured to answer a possibly intrusive or bullying question.


Do you think answering a question with a question is a good tactic?

Quote:

How many of our boat refugees are australia planning on dumping over there?

All who come by boat. 

But, if this solution works, there will be none, as there is no doubt PNG is not offered as sugar, rather, the complete opposite.  This dis-incentive ought to work.

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 3:47pm:

FMD....not another death penalty thread.  It's been done to death twice in the last month!

Unfortunately, the retarded right have an insatiable bloodlust.

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 4:47pm:

Quote: How many of our boat refugees are australia planning on dumping over there? All who come by boat.  But, if this solution works, there will be none, as there is no doubt PNG is not offered as sugar, rather, the complete opposite.  This dis-incentive ought to work.

Mr Burke said today on abc's insiders that this extremist path will not stop the boats. (labor is hoping to slow the boats going into the election so to con voters.)

Quote:

Mr Burke said today on abc's insiders that this extremist path will not stop the boats. (labor is hoping to slow the boats going into the election so to con voters.)

Really?  Did he?  I watched it, and did not pick that up.  Do you have a link?

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:02pm:

Quote: Mr Burke said today on abc's insiders that this extremist path will not stop the boats. (labor is hoping to slow the boats going into the election so to con voters.) Really?  Did he?  I watched it, and did not pick that up.  Do you have a link?

Someone did ... reasonably sure it was burke . Will do a quick google

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 4:18pm: ____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 2:43pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 2:24pm: Hey, Greens, how many refugees do they have in Texas, Arizona, New Maxico, Florida and California? About ten million? What’s the death penalty rate there? How many of our boat refugees are australia planning on dumping over there? Try keeping up.  How many are the UNHCR dumping there? What does it mean when a person answer your question with another question? Answer: It's often a "fogging" technique to confound the questioner and buy time before responding to the original question. A classic self-assertiveness strategy; useful if used sparingly when being, for example, unduly pressured to answer a possibly intrusive or bullying question. Do you think answering a question with a question is a good tactic?

Just wondering, Greens. I thought you might know.

To answer your question, Afghani, Iranian and Sri Lankan boat refugees are Afghani, Iranian and Sri Lankan. This might sound ever so cruel, but they don’t have any Australian residency status because they paid someone in Indonesia to drop them off here.

They now become our refugees when they apply to come and the UNHCR gives us the nod. We fly them in, show them around, and try to make them feel at home.

Really mean, I know, but it’s either that or pul their bodies out of the Timor Sea.

What does the death penalty even have to do with this? Are you saying Australia is violating someone’s human rights by not allowing them to commit a capital crime in another country and face their justice system?

Or what about jails? We’re sending refugees to Nauru and these Nauruians are locking them up for rioting.

What human rights obligation are we violating there? Habeus corpus? The Geneva Convention? Crimes against Humanity?

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I asked another question.

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:02pm:

Quote: Mr Burke said today on abc's insiders that this extremist path will not stop the boats. (labor is hoping to slow the boats going into the election so to con voters.) Really?  Did he?  I watched it, and did not pick that up.  Do you have a link?

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3807520.htm

3 minutes 30 seconds in.
5 minutes in he states it will not stop the boats.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 5:02pm: Quote: Mr Burke said today on abc's insiders that this extremist path will not stop the boats. (labor is hoping to slow the boats going into the election so to con voters.) Really?  Did he?  I watched it, and did not pick that up.  Do you have a link? http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3807520.htm 3 minutes 30 seconds in. 5 minutes in he states it will not stop the boats.

No, this is what he said:

TONY BURKE: "We have never said that we believe the announcement of this means there will be no more boats as of tomorrow."

"as of tomorrow"

The boats will stop next week. They’ll have to.

No one’s coming here to be refused settlement in Australia for life. It would have to be the longest, most expensive route to New Guinea ever taken. You could get a round the world flight cheaper.

All to be refused entry - for good.

We’ll be lucky to get two or three more boats - at most.

Forget settling thousands of refugees in New Guinea and worrying about them murdering the locals. This idea’s just stopped the boats.

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:18am:

for gods sake take that picture off.. that is appalling..

The photo in the OP is from the Islamic republic of Iran.

Karnal wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:26pm:

The boats will stop next week. They’ll have to.

The Indonesian coastal police must be spitting chips to see such a lucrative money-earner about to disappear into smoke. 

Lord knows how much money the local Indonesian police have been making as a direct result of Guillard's ineptitude. Their extortion racket of milking the smugglers for a percentage of the profits is about to become history.

Rudd is definitely going to win this election.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:17pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 5:11pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 5:02pm: Quote: Mr Burke said today on abc's insiders that this extremist path will not stop the boats. (labor is hoping to slow the boats going into the election so to con voters.) Really?  Did he?  I watched it, and did not pick that up.  Do you have a link? http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3807520.htm 3 minutes 30 seconds in. 5 minutes in he states it will not stop the boats. No, this is what he said: TONY BURKE: "We have never said that we believe the announcement of this means there will be no more boats as of tomorrow." "as of tomorrow"

3 minutes in ... "Capacity will be increased as required"  or something along those lines.

Karnal wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:26pm:

The boats will stop next week. They’ll have to. No one’s coming here to be refused settlement in Australia for life. It would have to be the longest, most expensive route to New Guinea ever taken. You could get a round the world flight cheaper. All to be refused entry - for good. We’ll be lucky to get two or three more boats - at most. Forget settling thousands of refugees in New Guinea and worrying about them murdering the locals. This idea’s just stopped the boats.

$5 bet to the charity of the winners choice there will be more than three boats.
Interested?

Karnal wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:26pm:

The boats will stop next week. They’ll have to. No one’s coming here to be refused settlement in Australia for life. It would have to be the longest, most expensive route to New Guinea ever taken. You could get a round the world flight cheaper. All to be refused entry - for good. We’ll be lucky to get two or three more boats - at most. Forget settling thousands of refugees in New Guinea and worrying about them murdering the locals. This idea’s just stopped the boats.

It will not have stopped the boats.
I'd bet any money you'll see them keep coming.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 5:26pm: The boats will stop next week. They’ll have to. No one’s coming here to be refused settlement in Australia for life. It would have to be the longest, most expensive route to New Guinea ever taken. You could get a round the world flight cheaper. All to be refused entry - for good. We’ll be lucky to get two or three more boats - at most. Forget settling thousands of refugees in New Guinea and worrying about them murdering the locals. This idea’s just stopped the boats. $5 bet to the charity of the winners choice there will be more than three boats. Interested?

I donate £10 per week to NSPCC, I'll add another £10 next week if there's less than 3 boats.

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

Papua New Guinea has just embraced the death penalty ... should Australia's refugees dumped in concentration camps there be exposed to potential execution? If Australians accepts people being executed in PNG, then should we have the death penalty reinstated in Australia? Should we be tough on crime in this country ... or bleeding heart lefties with moral compasses.

I don't think the agreement twixt Rudd and his PNG buddy mentions anything about concentration camps.

I do agree with the death penalty.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:12pm:

It will not have stopped the boats. I'd bet any money you'll see them keep coming.

Rudd stopping the boats is all a pipe-dream. It's all academic.

There's no way the High Court will allow such a thing.

why did we give PNG independence again anyway?

True Colours wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 3:34pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 3:24pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 3:10pm: You gotta do something terrible to get the death penalty, and yes I support it. Yeah like being found guilty for a crime you didn't do. If there is compelling evidence like the confession Jill Meagher's killer gave?

you would be surprised at just how UNcompelling a confession is.  Never heard of a forced confession or a fake one?  Plenty of stories to choose from!

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 4:18pm: ____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 2:43pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 2:24pm: Hey, Greens, how many refugees do they have in Texas, Arizona, New Maxico, Florida and California? About ten million? What’s the death penalty rate there? How many of our boat refugees are australia planning on dumping over there? Try keeping up.  How many are the UNHCR dumping there? What does it mean when a person answer your question with another question? Answer: It's often a "fogging" technique to confound the questioner and buy time before responding to the original question. A classic self-assertiveness strategy; useful if used sparingly when being, for example, unduly pressured to answer a possibly intrusive or bullying question. Do you think answering a question with a question is a good tactic?

That's what you do all the time. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 3:47pm: FMD....not another death penalty thread.  It's been done to death twice in the last month! Unfortunately, the retarded right have an insatiable bloodlust.

you might want to be careful with the use of the term 'right' in this regard.  There are a lot of LEFT-WING countries that employ the DP.  I don't think it is a fixture of any political ideology rather it is a moral failing from all sides.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:12pm:

[quote author=Karnal link=1374365799/39#39 date=1374391578]The boats will stop next week. They’ll have to. No one’s coming here to be refused settlement in Australia for life. It would have to be the longest, most expensive route to New Guinea ever taken. You could get a round the world flight cheaper. All to be refused entry - for good. We’ll be lucky to get two or three more boats - at most. Forget settling thousands of refugees in New Guinea and worrying about them murdering the locals. This idea’s just stopped the boats.

You got it. I want that bloke out the front of the San Diego Conference Centre to get a bottle of decent wine. You up for it?

Next Friday, the boats stop - a bottle of Grange from the loser.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 5:26pm: The boats will stop next week. They’ll have to. No one’s coming here to be refused settlement in Australia for life. It would have to be the longest, most expensive route to New Guinea ever taken. You could get a round the world flight cheaper. All to be refused entry - for good. We’ll be lucky to get two or three more boats - at most. Forget settling thousands of refugees in New Guinea and worrying about them murdering the locals. This idea’s just stopped the boats. It will not have stopped the boats. I'd bet any money you'll see them keep coming.

I think you might be right on this.  The Indonesians themselves have said that the only effective deterrent to the boats coming is the clear and unequivocal determination of the government to oppose it.  For 6 years we have not had this from Labor.  and it would be pretty easy to determine that this latest change is for political purposes only and everyone knows it.  I am sure there are many boat people who believe this is nothing more than an election policy that will be reneged on if Rudd wins.  And how could anyone be sure that isn't precisely the case? It's not as if Rudd has a record of being persistent in the face of opposition in any policy whatsoever.

The boats will still come because they wont believe Rudd is sincere.  Do you blame them?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:12pm: It will not have stopped the boats. I'd bet any money you'll see them keep coming. Rudd stopping the boats is all a pipe-dream. It's all academic. There's no way the High Court will allow such a thing.

the High Court doesn't have to 'allow it'.  as long as it is in agreement with current law they have no say.  And in fact, they have no say even if it were illegal unless someone launches an action to determine thus.

JC Denton wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:34pm:

why did we give PNG independence again anyway?

Oh, the PBs on the UN made us. We held off, mind you. We didn’t do it until 1973.

That’s what we got from beating the Hun in WWI - his colony. White man’s burden, eh?

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:18am:

for gods sake take that picture off.. that is appalling..

That's what execution-homiciding of human beings in death chambers[outdoors in that case]is like.

Indonesia will be execution-shredding Aussies Chan and Sukumaran soon by the look of it...they'll be just as dead...dragged kicking and screaming from their cells by the Indonesian guards, taken to some remote location and slaughtered.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:56pm:

... the High Court doesn't have to 'allow it'.  as long as it is in agreement with current law they have no say.  And in fact, they have no say even if it were illegal unless someone launches an action to determine thus.

Watch this space. The International Socialists who predominate in the High Court will find some way to thwart Rudd's plan.

The High Court is ostensibly an instrument of the justice system, but in reality it has long since become a bastion of Leftwing political agendas.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:56pm: ... the High Court doesn't have to 'allow it'.  as long as it is in agreement with current law they have no say.  And in fact, they have no say even if it were illegal unless someone launches an action to determine thus. Watch this space. The International Socialists who predominate in the High Court will find some way to thwart Rudd's plan. The High Court is ostensibly an instrument of the justice system, but in reality it has long since become a bastion of Leftwing political agendas.

Yet they are made up mostly of LNP appointees.

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 8:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:56pm: ... the High Court doesn't have to 'allow it'.  as long as it is in agreement with current law they have no say.  And in fact, they have no say even if it were illegal unless someone launches an action to determine thus. Watch this space. The International Socialists who predominate in the High Court will find some way to thwart Rudd's plan. The High Court is ostensibly an instrument of the justice system, but in reality it has long since become a bastion of Leftwing political agendas. Yet they are made up mostly of LNP appointees.

unlike the American supreme court, our high court justices tend to rule based on law and nothing but the law.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm:

unlike the American supreme court, our high court justices tend to rule based on law and nothing but the law.

Urban myth. It's not true.

Decisions from the High Court are often reported as 'The appeal was defeated by a vote of 3-to-2 ...'

Etc.

Political ideology is veiled behind a thin veneer of legal orthodoxy.

The High Court is packed with leftwingers.

Yes. Australians should be executed.

On Sundays... in public parks.... free admission.... family picnic spots around the gallows/firing range/electric chair etc.... kebab vans... face painting for the kiddies.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 8:50pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 8:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:56pm: ... the High Court doesn't have to 'allow it'.  as long as it is in agreement with current law they have no say.  And in fact, they have no say even if it were illegal unless someone launches an action to determine thus. Watch this space. The International Socialists who predominate in the High Court will find some way to thwart Rudd's plan. The High Court is ostensibly an instrument of the justice system, but in reality it has long since become a bastion of Leftwing political agendas. Yet they are made up mostly of LNP appointees. unlike the American supreme court, our high court justices tend to rule based on law and nothing but the law.

The US Supreme Court rules based on law.

To state otherwise is scaremongering bullsh1t.

They have beliefs sure, but they rule on the statutory reading of the law.

Don't forget the candy-floss and the beer-battered Pluto Pups.

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:21pm:

Yes. Australians should be executed. On Sundays... in public parks.... free admission.... family picnic spots around the gallows/firing range/electric chair etc.... kebab vans... face painting for the kiddies.

Yes - just like the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:24pm:

The US Supreme Court rules based on law. To state otherwise is scaremongering bullsh1t. They have beliefs sure, but they rule on the statutory reading of the law.

Window-dressing, Andrei. They allow for interpretations of the law, and that's when it all unravels and becomes a matter of idiosyncrasy.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 1:21pm: Yes. Australians should be executed. On Sundays... in public parks.... free admission.... family picnic spots around the gallows/firing range/electric chair etc.... kebab vans... face painting for the kiddies. Yes - just like the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

What took you so long?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 12:56pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 8:50pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 8:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:56pm: ... the High Court doesn't have to 'allow it'.  as long as it is in agreement with current law they have no say.  And in fact, they have no say even if it were illegal unless someone launches an action to determine thus. Watch this space. The International Socialists who predominate in the High Court will find some way to thwart Rudd's plan. The High Court is ostensibly an instrument of the justice system, but in reality it has long since become a bastion of Leftwing political agendas. Yet they are made up mostly of LNP appointees. unlike the American supreme court, our high court justices tend to rule based on law and nothing but the law. The US Supreme Court rules based on law. To state otherwise is scaremongering bullsh1t. They have beliefs sure, but they rule on the statutory reading of the law.

that is naïve.  the law is not black and white and never will be. in these cases it is up to the Supreme court (and High Court) to 'interpret' it.  This is where their beleifs and political ideology comes into play.

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 1:26pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 1:21pm: Yes. Australians should be executed. On Sundays... in public parks.... free admission.... family picnic spots around the gallows/firing range/electric chair etc.... kebab vans... face painting for the kiddies. Yes - just like the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc What took you so long?

I hope you have watched that movie Aussie?   ;D

They knew what to do in the wild west.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 1:24pm: The US Supreme Court rules based on law. To state otherwise is scaremongering bullsh1t. They have beliefs sure, but they rule on the statutory reading of the law. Window-dressing, Andrei. They allow for interpretations of the law, and that's when it all unravels and becomes a matter of idiosyncrasy.

All courts rule on interpretations of the law.
That's why you get appeals and overturning of verdicts.

The US Supreme Court recently voted 5-4 in favour of the Patient Care Act (ObamaCare) despite the fact the majority of Judges have been appointed by Republican Presidents.

In fact Justice Roberts voted FOR Obamacare as being within Congress rights to approve - Roberts was appointed by George W Bush.
Goes to show they hold their views based on their interpretation - not political leanings.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Goes to show they hold their views based on their interpretation - not political leanings.

You're as stubborn as I am.

You're being a mule about this. You know damn well that 'interpretation' opens the door for decisions based upon personal bias of a moral and/or political nature.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 1:31pm: Goes to show they hold their views based on their interpretation - not political leanings. You're as stubborn as I am. You're being a mule about this. You know damn well that 'interpretation' opens the door for decisions based upon personal bias of a moral and/or political nature.

Which is the case for any court in any democratic country.

The US Supreme Court rules on interpretation of law as much as the High Court of Australia.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:44pm:

You know damn well that 'interpretation' opens the door for decisions based upon personal bias of a moral and/or political nature.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Which is the case for any court in any democratic country.

At last we are in agreement!

That wasn't so hard, was it?   :P

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:21pm:

Yes. Australians should be executed. On Sundays... in public parks.... free admission.... family picnic spots around the gallows/firing range/electric chair etc.... kebab vans... face painting for the kiddies.

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Dream on.
bambu-ilk had the premeditated, cold-blooded killing of human beings by the State banned.

That's abolished...bye bye noose etc.
And execution-homicides by the State ain't coming back.