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Title: Tolerant Intolerance
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:05pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 9:07am:

I have never been able to fathom the conservative love affair with the royal family.

Righties are supposed to believe you make your own way in life by individual effort.

But they are obsessed by people :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ who live a pampered existence simply because they slipped out from between a certain pair of legs.

Amusing, but also pathetic. One rule for "royalty" and a different one for everybody else.

Conservatives also believe in rank and tradition.
But, in all honesty, I like the royals because they annoy "progressives".

I'm a "progressive" and I like the royals.

And...Ubermensch? Seriously?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:10pm

You're not bigoted toward my screen name are you? That doesn't sound very "progressive".

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by life_goes_on on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:11pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 9:07am:

Conservatives also believe in rank and tradition.
But, in all honesty, I like the royals because they annoy "progressives".

Yes, Obersturmbannfuhrer, progressives pffffft.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Peter Freedman on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:51pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

You're not bigoted toward my screen name are you? That doesn't sound very "progressive".

Uberhund with an uberbone.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 9:00pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

For example - The Liberals, ALP - basically mainstream political parties - ie non fascists.

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Post by life_goes_on on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 9:04pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

Yes, Oberarbeitsführer. For they are like the Jew. Weak, worthless and unable to contribute to the Reich.

How we should deal with "progressives".

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Peter Freedman on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 10:41pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So you don't believe in those principles?

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Post by Ubermensch on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 10:49pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

Yes, Oberarbeitsführer. For they are like the Jew. Weak, worthless and unable to contribute to the Reich.

How we should deal with "progressives".

I think you have me confused with Kat.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 10:52pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So you don't believe in those principles?

Tolerance for some and equality of opportunity.Equality is a slippery term that only exists the mind of a trendy, and rarely in empirical reality.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:40am

Update:
The name of your future King -

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/24/world/europe/uk-royal-baby/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

Quote:

London (CNN) -- Drum roll ... George Alexander Louis!

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge announced Wednesday that they've named their new bundle of joy.

The tot "will be known as

His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge,"

according to Clarence House, the official residence of heirs to the throne.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Doesnt look like it. Im just pointing out that you dont seem to have any kind of compassion for fellow humans that arent exactly like you. If i was being intolerant i would be calling for you to piss off.

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

So if you're intolerant toward something (Christianity is something you are intolerant of, for example), do you also lack compassion for you fellow human beings? By your own logic, yes.

Everyone is intolerant of a number of things. The word intolerance has been thoroughly contaminated by "progressives" to mean something other than it should.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

No. It's called consistency; applying the same approach to another perspective.

What's a numberplate?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 4:29pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

What's a numberplate?

It's this rectangular metal thing that screws onto your car with registration numbers and letters on it. It helps identify your vehicle. Some people pay extra to have personalised number plates - I personally think that's a bit wankerish (smug and pretentious, perhaps), but whatever.

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Post by Ubermensch on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Neferti on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:13pm

Stop worrying about it. QE2 could live until 100, i.e. 2026. She wont abdicate, it is a Lifelong thing with Elizabeth. She is very religious.

If ER2 lives to 100 (2026) as her Mother did and Charles (b 1952) takes over he will be 74. William will be 44. Little George will be 13.

Personally, I think QE2 will go downhill when Philip goes ... it happens.

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Post by Big Dave on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm

Who cares!!!! All the children being born around the world and this child is something special. I hate that way of thinking. Actually this royal child is probably genetically inferiour to most children. All the royal inbreeding has made them all a little back woods in my opinion.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:27pm

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Royals have the right breeding - didn't you know that?

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Post by species 8472 on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Big Dave on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Royals have the right breeding - didn't you know that?

Cousins rooting cousins for centuries hasn't helped their DNA content.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:37pm

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Royals have the right breeding - didn't you know that?

Cousins rooting cousins for centuries hasn't helped their DNA content.

But it's selective breeding like race horses.

Sure - you might get a stutterer now & then but overall they have done well.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Big Dave on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Royals have the right breeding - didn't you know that?

Cousins rooting cousins for centuries hasn't helped their DNA content.

But it's selective breeding like race horses.

Sure - you might get a stutterer now & then but overall they have done well.

All pedigree dogs have hip probams. They are the same . They are a bunch of inbred dummies lacking in genetic diversity.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:42pm

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Royals have the right breeding - didn't you know that?

Cousins rooting cousins for centuries hasn't helped their DNA content.

But it's selective breeding like race horses.

Sure - you might get a stutterer now & then but overall they have done well.

All pedigree dogs have hip probams. They are the same . They are a bunch of inbred dummies lacking in genetic diversity.

I thought Kate is a common person like us?
Are you saying that she has royal blood?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by life_goes_on on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

Yes, Oberarbeitsführer. For they are like the Jew. Weak, worthless and unable to contribute to the Reich.

How we should deal with "progressives".

I think you have me confused with Kat.

No, mein kleine kartoffel. I could never confuse you with one so obviously genetically inferior as this "Kat" character.

We both know what I'm talking about.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

How about bankers? Christians?

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Post by Ubermensch on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:52pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

Yes, Oberarbeitsführer. For they are like the Jew. Weak, worthless and unable to contribute to the Reich.

How we should deal with "progressives".

I think you have me confused with Kat.

No, mein kleine kartoffel. I could never confuse you with one so obviously genetically inferior as this "Kat" character.

We both know what I'm talking about.

Some disturbing pics you have on your comp. :o :-X

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Post by Ubermensch on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

Take this post of his (one of numerous in this vein):

Quote:

The facts are there for all to see, but these rag-dicks in the Con-alition and their
pig-ignorant supporters simply refuse to see them.

I've said it before, and I'll smacking keep saying it...

THEY"RE TOO smacking STUPID AND/OR IGNORANT TO DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

I despise wilful, wanton, self-imposed pig-ignorance. And the coalition and its conga-line are rife with it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Here we go again...some pommy sheila has a kid and all the little twerps wet their pants with joy!

But one day he will be your KING.

It's NOT great odds, really

Assuming Australia is STILL dithering around on the matter of FULL independence from the British crown - and the tiresomely LONG life-spans of the British royals - William could well live to ninety or beyond

I don't expect to be around for King George's coronation - sometime approaching 2075

( ... I can't speak for the REST of you)

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Post by Torpedo on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 10:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 9:36am:

Ozpolitics welcomes our new King to be -

Is it a King, or a Queen? :-/

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/penlope-cruz-gives-birth-to-a-girl-second-baby-with-javier-bardem/story-fn907478-1226683969031

One thing's for certain - not asylum imposter, or a muslim boy. Thus, it's ok to say this crap. Right?
No, that's not right, you should be answering for your racist remarks. And you will, and all you Freedman's and co, (you know what I mean, the new generation Nazis, only in different skin)

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Post by Torpedo on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 9:53am:

The biggest news of the day & no comment?

They are all busy paying honor to the Xi Jinping. Which plays much more importance on our further existence.
Hahahaha, how ironic, but true

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Post by muso on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:23pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

How about bankers? Christians?

Yes. Hatred of any person or group of people.

In my case, it would mean in the same order, self hate, hatred of my son, who is a banker, and my wife, who is a Christian.

As far as Neo-Nazism is concerned I settle for amusement, and I presume the new poster is the Grand Poo-Bah Übermisthaufen who has come to your assistance.

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Post by Torpedo on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:33pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 6:56pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Can have a Westminster system even as a Republic, even with an elected President (my preferred option.)

No. No elected President.

There are already too many idiots who think they have a "mandate" to do something. We don't need another one.

If we can't have Warney as King - how about we just draw it out of a hat? That would be fair. Maybe we could take turns. Say, six months as King/Queen - then draw another name out of the hat. We could all get a go.

with a democracy we are seeing today, it's truly better to step back to full powered monarchy, the western, with western values of course. We don't need another Constantinople, fck that

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Post by muso on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:43pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Would you condemn this?

I already did on another thread. In a generic fashion. I can't stand the partisan crap that comes from both sides in the Politicians suck board. I prefer it if people would use their own brains rather than towing the party line.

This is just my own opinion. I'm not speaking as a moderator.

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Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

NO

( ... but it DOES seem to take a LOT of repetitive FACT posting - for things to sink in)

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Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:33pm

Best front page of the day.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/359432003013210112/photo/1

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Post by Honky on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

Doesn't it? Are there any more exceptions I should know about?

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Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:25pm

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Name one other of 'all the other children born around the world'.

This child is symbolic. All the others aren't. That's why you know about this one and not the others.

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Post by muso on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm

... wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and violence.

Doesn't it? Are there any more exceptions I should know about?

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance.

Are you tolerating somebody if you break their nose?

Are you tolerating somebody if you use hate speech against them?

Go on - add more examples of your own. You should have grasped the principle by now.

The Libs and ALP seem to be able to understand it.

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Post by muso on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:41pm

On the original subject, I have lived or worked in Republics and Constitutional Monarchies, and on the whole I much prefer constitutional monarchies.

We could do a lot worse without the monarchy.

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Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:05pm

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

... wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and violence.

Doesn't it? Are there any more exceptions I should know about?

Tolerance is to suffer, endure, bear something painful or hard or difficult, outside the normal. To put up with something disagreeable.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:38pm

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Tolerance is to suffer, endure, bear something painful or hard or difficult, outside the normal. To put up with something disagreeable.

What if you find something outside the normal to be agreeable or neutral? (Whether or not you frame something as agreeable or disagreeable is an internal condition)

It's not all about suffering or enduring unpleasantness. Your bandwidth tolerance is too narrow (30%). In other words, you're just picking up one of several aspects of the dictionary definition(s) or accepted usage, but not necessarily because you find them hard to endure, difficult or disagreeable.

tol·er·at·ed, tol·er·at·ing, tol·er·ates
1. To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.
2. To recognize and respect (the rights, beliefs, or practices of others).
3. To put up with; endure.

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Post by Cofgod on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:15am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 10:27am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16am:

I don't know how much actual ruling they do. They don't even get invited to the Bilderberg Conference.

The Royals are reptilian and parasitic, they bleed England at every opportunity, but they're well loved by the sheeples, so that's all that matters.

The Queen has never done anything wrong but she does cost a lot of money.

No, she doesn't.

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Post by Cofgod on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:18am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Here we go again...some pommy sheila has a kid and all the little twerps wet their pants with joy!

But one day he will be your KING.

Australia has full independence of the British royals. The Australian monarchy reigns over Australia, not the British one.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:31am

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Where exactly is my definition of tolerance?

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:33am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

No. It's called consistency; applying the same approach to another perspective.

What's a numberplate?

So - this intolerance for xtianity - that is what you get from my cartoon is it? Hahahahaha!

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:34am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

No. It's called consistency; applying the same approach to another perspective.

What's a numberplate?

What other perspective? You said tolerance like it was a bad thing. Obviously you dont want to explain that so you are trying to call me "intolerant".

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:37am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Royals have the right breeding - didn't you know that?

Cousins rooting cousins for centuries hasn't helped their DNA content.

But it's selective breeding like race horses.

Sure - you might get a stutterer now & then but overall they have done well.

All pedigree dogs have hip probams. They are the same . They are a bunch of inbred dummies lacking in genetic diversity.

I thought Kate is a common person like us?
Are you saying that she has royal blood?

Hahahaha not "like us" - she is filthy rich for generations. However she is now royalty. Her blood is as royal as the queens.

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:39am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

Take this post of his (one of numerous in this vein):

Quote:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

And is that from the "labour voters are dickheads" thread? In that case he is being slightly intolerant of intolerance.

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:16am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:34am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

No. It's called consistency; applying the same approach to another perspective.

What's a numberplate?

What other perspective? You said tolerance like it was a bad thing. Obviously you dont want to explain that so you are trying to call me "intolerant".

SOB

I've already explained, and explaining it again would be pointless because you can't think one step beyond what you think in the moment.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:16am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:39am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

Take this post of his (one of numerous in this vein):

Quote:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

And is that from the "labour voters are dickheads" thread? In that case he is being slightly intolerant of intolerance.

SOB

Bigot.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:26am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:16am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:39am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

Take this post of his (one of numerous in this vein):

Quote:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

And is that from the "labour voters are dickheads" thread? In that case he is being slightly intolerant of intolerance.

SOB

Bigot.

Obviously you dont want to expose yourself by answering the question.

SOB

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:24am

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance

What is intuitive, is that you've conjured up some magical exceptions to suit your ends.

Quote:

Are you tolerating somebody if you break their nose?

Perhaps I broke it by accident. Perhaps I broke it in the ring.
If I chose to break their nose our of anger, I obviously had had enough of tolerating them, which is fine - I don't think it's the great virtue that you do. The better analogy is whether I would tolerate someone breaking someone elses nose. The answer in most cases, is yes. Ain't my business.

Quote:

Are you tolerating somebody if you use hate speech against them?

Define "hate speech". If you dpon't want to, I'll just use my intuitive definition - anything deemed contrary to the prevailing ideology.

Quote:

Go on - add more examples of your own. You should have grasped the principle by now.

I've grasped a principle, but it's not the principle of tolerance.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:42am

Cofgod wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:18am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Here we go again...some pommy sheila has a kid and all the little twerps wet their pants with joy!

But one day he will be your KING.

Australia has full independence of the British royals. The Australian monarchy reigns over Australia, not the British one.

Who in HELL is "the Australian monarchy" ?

Queen Gina - or King Rupert ?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:24am:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance

What is intuitive, is that you've conjured up some magical exceptions to suit your ends.

They are antonyms. It's like saying that dry is just another type of wet. Obviously it isn't. There is nothing difficult or magical about that.

Quote:

[quote]
Are you tolerating somebody if you break their nose?

Define "hate speech". If you dpon't want to, I'll just use my intuitive definition - anything deemed contrary to the prevailing ideology.

Victoria defines it best, but all States have laws against discrimination and vilification, and these laws have been supported by governments from both sides of politics.

Quote:

A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, engage in conduct that incites hatred against, serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons.

Note: "engage in conduct" includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit statements or other material.

Section 11 of the Act provides this concession in favour of freedom of expression:

A person does not contravene section 7 or 8 if the person establishes that the person's conduct was engaged in reasonably and in good faith—

(a) in the performance, exhibition or distribution of an artistic work; or
(b) in the course of any statement, publication, discussion or debate made or held, or any other conduct engaged in, for—

(i) any genuine academic, artistic, religious or scientific purpose; or
(ii) any purpose that is in the public interest; or

(c) in making or publishing a fair and accurate report of any event or matter of public interest.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:44am

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

(ii) any purpose that is in the public interest; or

There's my get out of jail free card.

Oh wait...it isn't the public who decide what's in their interest, is it? No, it'd be the ruling elite - my original, intuitive definition was pretty much spot on then, wasn't it?

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

That's right. If you are breaking their nose in anger, you are not tolerating them. Good

Yes, but I could have sowrn that I pointed out that your analogy was faulty?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:47am

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:24am:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance

What is intuitive, is that you've conjured up some magical exceptions to suit your ends.

They are antonyms. It's like saying that dry is just another type of wet. Obviously it isn't. There is nothing difficult or magical about that.

Sure isn't...but that's not what you said is it?

Are violence and hate the opposites of tolerance? No, they are not - see? Magical exceptions.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 11:03am

One royal watcher with an upper class accent said on TV about Kate:

Quote:

Her grandfather was a coal miner, her mother was a trolley dolly, she just doesn't have the right breeding.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

(ii) any purpose that is in the public interest; or

Ruling Elite? What are you, a communist? Don't you understand how legislative precedents work? You think that the courts are the ruling elite?

Anyway I didn't write the legislation. You just asked for a definition.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:47am:

Quote:

They are antonyms. It's like saying that dry is just another type of wet. Obviously it isn't. There is nothing difficult or magical about that.

Sure isn't...but that's not what you said is it?

Are violence and hate the opposites of tolerance? No, they are not - see? Magical exceptions.

Let me see:

tol·er·at·ed, tol·er·at·ing, tol·er·ates
1. To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.
2. To recognize and respect (the rights, beliefs, or practices of others).
3. To put up with; endure.

Are violence and hate "allowing without prohibiting or opposing"?

That would be a no. Violence and hate are therefore at odds with tolerance.

You check them against the other definitions if you like. They are definitely not examples of tolerance, but they are certainly examples of intolerance.

I rest my case m'Lud. ;D

Where did you get your degree in Bush Law anyway?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

Ah so now we get to the dictionary definition. I dont see any exceptions in those definitions, do you?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:09pm

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

Ah so now we get to the dictionary definition. I dont see any exceptions in those definitions, do you?

So are you saying that violence and hate are compatible with tolerance?

I'm not sure what you actually want to get out of this.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:11pm

I added a poll:

How do you feel about being only a common person?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:43pm

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

Ah so now we get to the dictionary definition. I dont see any exceptions in those definitions, do you?

So are you saying that violence and hate are compatible with tolerance?

I'm not sure what you actually want to get out of this.

Nope. I suggest you go back and refresh your memory as to what started this. You have moved the posts so many times, I doubt you even know what field you're on anymore.

Or you could just state for the record that "I'm intolerant of intolerance" is played out and gay.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

The various continental Europeans of non-British descent that I've met have mostly been republicans (small r). They are less likely to be monarchists than Indian immigrants or those from other Commonwealth nations such as Singapore, Malaysia or South Africa.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Or you could just state for the record that "I'm intolerant of intolerance" is played out and gay.

Put it this way, if a person is described as tolerant, it definitely doesn't imply tolerance of violence or hate speech, because of the vicarious implications. It's promoting violence and hate speech through inaction and association. You'll find that right through the laws and statutes of Federal and State legislation, and you can be prosecuted for it. There are plenty of other such "exceptions" as you put it, depending on which State you live in. Have a look in the criminal codes, and Google "Duty of Care".

That little smirk in the corner while you watch a mate beat somebody up, could easily find you in serious trouble, and the only gay thing about it would be bubba, your hypothetical cell mate.

A friend of mine, who is a QC, could provide numerous examples. There is nothing gay about the laws of the land.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:53pm

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

ut it this way, if a person is described as tolerant, it definitely doesn't imply tolerance of violence or hate speech,

What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

In cases such as this, which form of "intolerance" trumps the other?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Aussie on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:03pm

Quote:

Have a look in the criminal codes, and Google "Duty of Care".

I have not done the google, but going from decaying memory, I don't think that expression exists in any Section of Queensland's Criminal Code. It is all over torts and Donoghue v Stevenson etc etc......but ~ in criminal law?

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

ut it this way, if a person is described as tolerant, it definitely doesn't imply tolerance of violence or hate speech,

What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

In cases such as this, which form of "intolerance" trumps the other?

It depends on the circumstances. If you were interviewing an aborigine for a job and you came out with that, there would be all hell to pay.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by life_goes_on on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:25pm

Quote:

What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

I think you're confusing intolerance with something else, because saying "aborigines have a violent culture" doesn't indicate any form of intolerance.

If however, you said "I don't think Aboriginals should be allowed to continue practising their violent culture" then amongst people who also accepted that aboriginals have a violent culture, you might get some who think you're intolerant of aboriginals continuing with the violence.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

Quote:

Have a look in the criminal codes, and Google "Duty of Care".

No. The Criminal Code would use terms like "Accessory".

Duty of Care is not in Statutory law. It's comes from Common Law as you implied. I just meant that it's another thing to look out for. If you stand back and actively or passively encourage an act of violence, you could be charged under the Criminal Code as accessory or even an accomplice depending on the jurisdiction.

The Common Law comes into play when it comes to damages, and accessories are considered just as guilty as the principal under Common Law. Even if not convicted as an accessory, the Duty of Care can come into it, although typically it's used against corporations.

/bush lawyer mode off

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:50pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Quote:

What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

Yeah what I meant to say was "geez those abos are a violent bunch".

Same message, different words.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:01pm

Me personally, I don't necessarily mind a bit of violence. But, if you're intolerant of violence like muso is, you'd be hard pushed to be tolerant of aborigines. You might even say that aboriginal culture has no place in a civilised country like Australia...or you might just try not to think about it.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by muso on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:14pm

I suppose I should split out these posts that are off topic. First of all, not all Aborigines are violent, but I agree that there is lot of violence in Aboriginal society.

It comes down to the circumstances. If an aborigine walked into a pub, and you said something like "You blokes are all the same. All violent so and so's....Get the f out of here" then obviously that would be inciting hate speech.

On the other hand, if you were just discussing recent violence in a particular Aboriginal settlement with specific examples, and not targetting a specific individual, there is nothing wrong with that.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Honky on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

If an aborigine walked into a pub, and you said something like "You blokes are all the same. All violent so and so's....Get the f out of here" then obviously that would be inciting hate speech.

It'd be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

I suppose I should split out these posts that are off topic.

meh, you can if you want, but I'm done...

Title: Re: Tolerant Intolerance
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white people. The contortions of logic the "progressives" go through to make this the only definition of intolerance is something to behold, and, moreover, something that ought to be an object of study.

Title: Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:03am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

I added a poll:

How do you feel about being only a common person?

I dont see a poll?

SOB

Title: Re: Tolerant Intolerance
Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:16am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

No its not.

SOB

Title: Re: Tolerant Intolerance
Post by Honky on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:08am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white peopl

Not exactly - that might be an effect of it, but I reckon the intent of the "tolerance" bandwagon is to have the plebs accept, embrace and even celebrate their powerlessness. The same old story - the powerful trying to consolidate their power by placating those with reason and the numbers to rise up against them.

Title: Re: Tolerant Intolerance
Post by Ubermensch on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:24am

... wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:08am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white peopl

Power is definitely a part of it, but the "intolerance" slogan arises with the radicals of the 1960s and their particular political agenda.

Title: Re: Tolerant Intolerance
Post by muso on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

Racism is widespread, and it doesn't just apply to any one particular group. I mentioned the example of racism in Indonesia, where Ethnic Chinese are treated as second class citizens even if the family has been living in Indonesia for several generations. I've also seen reverse racism in Ghana where Ghanaians are made to wait, say at banks where a European is attended to straight away, and it's not just a money issue. Rich Ghanaians who are laden down with gold necklaces are likely to get the same treatment. Regardless of where it happens, it's not a good thing.

What it comes down to is the assumption that another person is somehow inferior based on something like skin colour or some other attribute that the other person was either born with or had no control over whatsoever.

Again, racism is not a monopoly of white Europeans.

Title: Re: Tolerant Intolerance
Post by Honky on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

... wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:08am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white peopl

Power is definitely a part of it, but the "intolerance" slogan arises with the radicals of the 1960s and their particular political agenda.

Regardless of the specifics of their agenda, first and foremost must be consolidation and protection of their power. Without that, any agenda is impossible to serve.

What better way to do that than to convince everyone that "tolerance" (aka suffering in silence) is the highest virtue one can aspire to?

I'd assume there was a time, not so long ago, that strength, noble principles and brave deeds were admired and celebrated - now it seems that eating whatever sh.it anyone serves up, grinning and telling them it tastes good is the new noble ideal. I hardly think it compares with slaying dragons, or climbing mountains, but whatever.