300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcgM5H-uH4

Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ?

yes it will. the first 300 B hurt us.
the alp promised us MNAY times a surplus. What happened to that ?

ask greece about increasing debts..

you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings.

Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcgM5H-uH4 Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ?

Hi Nail,
we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt )

After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion -

he's just preparing us for that.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 11:59am: 300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcgM5H-uH4 Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ? Hi Nail, we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt ) After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion - he's just preparing us for that.

source?

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings. Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds?

Didn't Goldman Sucks give triple AAA ratings to a lot of institutions before they went belly up during the GFC ?? I wouldn't place to much credence on three letters of the alphabet :(

Contrary to Tony Abbott's claims otherwise, Australia's AAA credit rating is not "under threat". Just last month, Steven Hess of international ratings agency, Moody's reported "we consider the risk of a negative rating action to be relatively low despite the Commonwealth budget remaining in deficit for longer than targeted." He added that the Government's net debt remained low by world standards (10 per cent of GDP versus 90 per cent in the US and 140 per cent in Greece, 100 per cent in Italy, 117 per cent in Japan and 30 per cent in Canada).

Australia is one of just eight countries to have a AAA rating from the three major global ratings agencies. Fitch upgraded its Australian rating to AAA for the first time in 2011 and has reiterated its confidence in the Australian economy since Wayne Swan rolled back from his rolled gold promise to deliver a surplus in 2012/13.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-07/alberici-economic-comparisons/4672166

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 11:59am: 300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcgM5H-uH4 Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ? Hi Nail, we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt ) After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion - he's just preparing us for that. source?

Sorry - it's a guess based on past performance.

Unless the Govt. does something radical - like cut all public
servants pay by between 10% & 25% -  we'll have more debt.
They are not going to do that & suffer the wrath of the unions.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings. Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds?

That's what I don't get, John.

The facts are there for all to see, but these rag-dicks in the Con-alition and their
pig-ignorant supporters simply refuse to see them.

I've said it before, and I'll smacking keep saying it...

THEY"RE TOO smacking STUPID AND/OR IGNORANT TO DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

I despise wilful, wanton, self-imposed pig-ignorance. And the coalition and its conga-line are rife with it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

yes it will. the first 300 B hurt us. the alp promised us MNAY times a surplus. What happened to that ? ask greece about increasing debts..

In REAL terms ( ... or as a percentage of GDP)  Australia has one of - if not THE - lowest foreign debt in the WORLD



buzzanddidj wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 8:04pm: We DO have high levels of debt. In fact it is the largest in our history in dollar terms and very close to the largest in GDP terms. and what is worse is that only a mere 6 years ago we have NO DEBT at all. Don't pretend to be STUPID It doesn't BECOME you Even John Howard is capable of coming clean with the TRUTH - occasionally - and giving credit, where credit is DUE Quote: Former prime minister John Howard gave the economy a big tick before Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered his sixth budget on Tuesday night. ''And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe, to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries,'' he said. He said Australia's economy was better than the economies of Japan, the US and most European countries. This is in stark contrast to his protege and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's assessment of doom and gloom on Monday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/resilient-economy-in-better-shape-than-most-says-howard-20130514-2jke5.html#ixzz2Te3JNgsM Australia’s GFC stimulus debt is the second lowest in the OECD. Gross debt stands at 28.9% of GDP. This compares to Japan at 224%, Greece at 193.2%, Portugal at 133.1%, Italy at 129.6%, Ireland at 127.7%, United States at 113%, France at 108.2%, UK at 110.4%, Canada at 85.5%, Spain at 100.2% Germany at 86.2%.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 11:59am: 300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ? Hi Nail, we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt ) After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion - he's just preparing us for that. source?

history....

Labor have delivered 7 straight deficits and have already conceded at least 2 more....

but the way Labor are spending up with all of these Billion Dollar Promises trying to buy votes its clear to see that they will never ever deliver a Surplus...

never..

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 11:59am: 300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcgM5H-uH4 Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ? Hi Nail, we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt ) After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion - he's just preparing us for that. source? Sorry - it's a guess based on past performance. Unless the Govt. does something radical - like cut all public servants pay by between 10% & 25% -  we'll have more debt. They are not going to do that & suffer the wrath of the unions.

Sorry Bobby, but that's a load of bullsh1t. You are guessing numbers? Just plucking them out of your arse and then you act like the numbers are credible ....

We have just gone through one of the worst global economic periods since the great depression ... as that situation improves so will our budget figures.

True Blue... wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 11:59am: 300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ? Hi Nail, we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt ) After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion - he's just preparing us for that. source? history.... Labor have delivered 7 straight deficits and have already conceded at least 2 more.... but the way Labor are spending up with all of these Billion Dollar Promises trying to buy votes its clear to see that they will never ever deliver a Surplus... never..

go back to class.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:28pm:

Sorry Bobby, but that's a load of bullsh1t. You are guessing numbers? Just plucking them out of your arse and then you act like the numbers are credible .... We have just gone through one of the worst global economic periods since the great depression ... as that situation improves so will our budget figures.

you're a dreamer smith.

The GFC was caused by inflating a massive property bubble by doling out loans to dead beats. So what did labor do to avoid it after the bubble burst ?? It encouraged yet more speculation and inflation of the property bubble !! Go figure !!

Instead of creating new industries with a future it was business as usual for all of the property spruikers and the bubble is still being inflated today with yet more and more debt :( Labor is just as corrupt as the subprime scammers in the US. And to add insult to injury labor taxes high tech startups so they can never startup as long as they are here.

The sooner labor and liberal are thrown into the political rubbish bin the better it will be for all of us.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm: Sorry Bobby, but that's a load of bullsh1t. You are guessing numbers? Just plucking them out of your arse and then you act like the numbers are credible .... We have just gone through one of the worst global economic periods since the great depression ... as that situation improves so will our budget figures. you're a dreamer smith. The GFC was caused by inflating a massive property bubble by doling out loans to dead beats. So what did labor do to avoid it after the bubble burst ?? It encouraged yet more speculation and inflation of the property bubble !! Go figure !! Instead of creating new industries with a future it was business as usual for all of the property spruikers and the bubble is still being inflated today with yet more and more debt :( Labor is just as corrupt as the subprime scammers in the US. And to add insult to injury labor taxes high tech startups so they can never startup as long as they are here. The sooner labor and liberal are thrown into the political rubbish bin the better it will be for all of us.

can you just leave your anti property bullsh1t out of this? The GFC was caused because of the prime mortgage debacle .... it had nothing to do with negative gearing.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings. Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds?

china and resources shielded us from that.
what was our debt before ruddy got in ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:14pm: you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings. Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds? china and resources shielded us from that. what was our debt before ruddy got in ?

you're a one trick pony .. what was our debt what was our debt

the facts stand.

If I was given the choice between 300bil debt and no debt, I would take the no debt.

I also wonder WTF we have to show for that debt, bugger all.

Debt with nothing to show for it is the trade mark of left wing government (with the exception of George W Bush who was a total Cockswallow)

thelastnail

Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ????

I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time.

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time.

Think so, do you?

Had a listen to Tony or Joe on the economy?

Not half a clue between them.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:14pm: you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings. Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds? china and resources shielded us from that. what was our debt before ruddy got in ?

To a DEGREE
A SMALL degree

( ... minerals and resources contribute around 4 to 5 per cent of the total Australian economy)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:14pm: you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings. Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds? china and resources shielded us from that. what was our debt before ruddy got in ?

Before Rudd got in our economy had been geared to fail in an economic downturn, The Liberals main legacy was to screw our future.

The fact is that irrespective of who was in power through the GFC we would have either gone into debt to stay out of recession or gone into debt trying to get out of recession.

Comparing two totally opposite economic situations as if they are the same is dishonest and what we see here on a daily basis.

Kat wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Think so, do you? Had a listen to Tony or Joe on the economy? Not half a clue between them.

butbutbutbut you listen to this!!!!! :o



THE federal opposition says it won't rely on Treasury's numbers to work out how much its policies cost.

Instead shadow treasurer Joe Hockey says they have used the Parliamentary Budget Office, state government colleagues and independent advisers.

"You'll see all the details in the next few weeks," he told ABC radio on Friday.

"We have a range of different sources.

"What I can say emphatically is that our numbers will be more reliable than anything the government publishes."

He says the government is trying to "bully" Treasury into delivering a certain set of numbers.

The government will issue an economic statement ahead of the pre-election fiscal outlook (PEFO) released by the departments of Treasury and Finance 10 days into the election campaign.

A report in the Australian Financial Review says the government is facing a budget black hole of $20 billion over the next fours years.

Mr Hockey has previously said the coalition would detail costings of its policies once the PEFO was released.

But now he's casting doubts on its independence.

"Quite clearly by flagging an economic statement the government is trying to bully the public service into a set of the numbers that clearly do not properly represent the state of the budget," Mr Hockey said.

"We are not going to rely on the information that is provided solely by the government because every time the government publishes a number it is dead set wrong."

He said the reports of a further $20 billion hole showed the budget was "in absolute crisis".

"We'll account for all They're not going to call an election this Sunday because they have a budget crisis," Mr Hockey later told the Seven Network.

Treasurer Chris Bowen did not comment when asked about the $20 billion figure, but flagged that the budget was being hit by factors like a drop in the terms of trade.

"We'll account for all our spending, we'll account for that in an open and transparent way," Mr Bowen told Seven.

He said he was committed to a surplus - "that's the plan" - in 2016/17. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd told the National Press Club on July 11 that "we're committed to returning the Budget to balance in 2015-16".

There are some reports that the cabinet is divided on whether the surplus commitment should stand.



A DROP IN TERMS OF TRADE.....HILARIOUS...

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time.

Apparently you haven't listened to Abbott or Hockey?

Look at the Abbott unfunded spending commitments - over a Hundred billions and you think he could produce a surplus - well certainly not in his first decade.

How much do you think it's going to cost him to build great cities in the far north for public servants to inhabit on transfer????  Ho Ho Ho.  And you want to talk about economic reality ??? very very funny.

I imagine even a small city would cost hundreds of billions and then the infrastructure transport links etc - all unfunded of course??? Several of them please !!!! 

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:43am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 9:50pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:14pm: you have an aversion to facts perhaps? Our debt levels are low, and we are one of only 8 countries with 3 AAA ratings. Or Perhaps you think he should have Jones or Bolt doing his adds? china and resources shielded us from that. what was our debt before ruddy got in ? Before Rudd got in our economy had been geared to fail in an economic downturn, The Liberals main legacy was to screw our future. The fact is that irrespective of who was in power through the GFC we would have either gone into debt to stay out of recession or gone into debt trying to get out of recession. Comparing two totally opposite economic situations as if they are the same is dishonest and what we see here on a daily basis.

dna... the one policy that rudd did actually do..has put us in more DEBT than anything the :Libs could ever have done..

we are in this mess not because of the GFC as you and kruddy would like us all to believe but because

of your BOAT PEOPLE POliciy.....

and dont pretend it wasnt a policy.....he was closing Manus and Nauru remember..LOL..

they are hell holes and a shameful blot on Australia.


funny how the whole labor party has now done a backflip...

Getting  fed up being told  how little debt per person we have.

So we have AAA rating, big f....g deal, we still have 300 billion wracked up in 4 years, that money plus a swag of interest will have to be re paid.

I don't see any repayment going on, what I see is Rudd an Co. borrowing 100 million dollars a month just to pay the outgoings.

This Government are a bunch of financial vandals.

You can dress a turd up in a fancy doily but underneath its still a turd.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Apparently you haven't listened to Abbott or Hockey? Look at the Abbott unfunded spending commitments - over a Hundred billions and you think he could produce a surplus - well certainly not in his first decade. How much do you think it's going to cost him to build great cities in the far north for public servants to inhabit on transfer????  Ho Ho Ho.  And you want to talk about economic reality ??? very very funny. I imagine even a small city would cost hundreds of billions and then the infrastructure transport links etc - all unfunded of course??? Several of them please !!!!

dna you must be the only man alive who would take anything this govt said as gospel.

you would even rely on their figures..LOL.. good luck with that... even they dont believe them..

cods wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:45am:

THE federal opposition says it won't rely on Treasury's numbers to work out how much its policies cost. Instead shadow treasurer Joe Hockey says they have used the Parliamentary Budget Office, state government colleagues and independent advisers. "You'll see all the details in the next few weeks," he told ABC radio on Friday. "We have a range of different sources." ...

"We have a range of different sources."


He is talking about his Ouija board of course.

How funny is this - he doesn't trust the Australian treasury so he is going to get his own dodgy figures supplied by his mates??

He obviously knows that the liberals policy numbers leak like a sieve (X) if he is afraid to expose them to honest independent scrutiny.

red baron wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Getting  fed up being told  how little debt per person we have. So we have AAA rating, big f....g deal, we still have 300 billion wracked up in 4 years, that money plus a swag of interest will have to be re paid. I don't see any repayment going on, what I see is Rudd an Co. borrowing 100 million dollars a month just to pay the outgoings. This Government are a bunch of financial vandals. You can dress a turd up in a fancy doily but underneath its still a turd.

have you noticed he doesnt tell us what we have GOT for all this DEBT...

come on kruddyMk11 show us the roads and new hospitals..brand new schools.. we can afford to give Indonesia half a billion for a new school.. I am sure we have our share as well?..

gosh we didnt have a WAR either did we.

so where did it go????????????????

cods wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:51am: RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Apparently you haven't listened to Abbott or Hockey? Look at the Abbott unfunded spending commitments - over a Hundred billions and you think he could produce a surplus - well certainly not in his first decade. How much do you think it's going to cost him to build great cities in the far north for public servants to inhabit on transfer????  Ho Ho Ho.  And you want to talk about economic reality ??? very very funny. I imagine even a small city would cost hundreds of billions and then the infrastructure transport links etc - all unfunded of course??? Several of them please !!!!  dna you must be the only man alive who would take anything this govt said as gospel. you would even rely on their figures..LOL.. good luck with that... even they dont believe them..

you would even rely on their figures

The official monetary and economic figures they produce come from treasury and are independently audited??

I see that the Liberals are going to avoid this open and independent process and I don't wonder why.

Rudd's done the right thing by doing this.

He needs to get the message home to an essentially stupid electorate that the story
they've been getting re the economy is completely wrong.

He also has to overcome the Gillard-inspired 'switch off' people underwent whenever
Gillard attempted to do so.

And he has to slam Tony right in the nuts over his seditious lies about the economy.

Failure to do so will only result in the mistruths espoused in the preceding post to
become even more entrenched.

And this is why the con-alition are up in arms about it, they can't afford to let the
facts gain traction.

cods wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:02am:

red baron wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:56am: Getting  fed up being told  how little debt per person we have. So we have AAA rating, big f....g deal, we still have 300 billion wracked up in 4 years, that money plus a swag of interest will have to be re paid. I don't see any repayment going on, what I see is Rudd an Co. borrowing 100 million dollars a month just to pay the outgoings. This Government are a bunch of financial vandals. You can dress a turd up in a fancy doily but underneath its still a turd. have you noticed he doesnt tell us what we have GOT for all this DEBT... come on kruddyMk11 show us the roads and new hospitals..brand new schools.. we can afford to give Indonesia half a billion for a new school.. I am sure we have our share as well?.. gosh we didnt have a WAR either did we. so where did it go????????????????

have you noticed he doesnt tell us what we have GOT for all this DEBT

Probably about a million jobs 4 years of economic growth low unemployment and a strong economy for a start.

Kat wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Think so, do you? Had a listen to Tony or Joe on the economy?

... and Tony runs a MILE - at the very THOUGHT of discussing ANYTHING, with Kevin Rudd in the ROOM


Rudd ups the ante on Abbott challenge
Matt Cram
24 July, 2013 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has challenged Tony Abbott to a debate on asylum seeker policy in the 3AW studios.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has challenged Tony Abbott to a debate on asylum seeker policy in the 3AW studios.

In his first interview with a metropolitan radio station, Mr Rudd told Neil Mitchell he's prepared to stay in Melbourne an extra 24 hours to debate the Opposition Leader on Thursday.

Mr Abbott's office turned down the offer, but Mr Rudd upped the ante and offered to return to Melbourne any day next week.

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/neil-mitchell-blog/kevin-rudd-expects-industry-adjustments-from-fbt-changes/20130724-2qi50.html

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Apparently you haven't listened to Abbott or Hockey? Look at the Abbott unfunded spending commitments - over a Hundred billions and you think he could produce a surplus - well certainly not in his first decade. How much do you think it's going to cost him to build great cities in the far north for public servants to inhabit on transfer????  Ho Ho Ho.  And you want to talk about economic reality ??? very very funny. I imagine even a small city would cost hundreds of billions and then the infrastructure transport links etc - all unfunded of course??? Several of them please !!!!

Dnarever

Did not see them in the ad, your Abbott Abbott Abbott disease made you imagine they were in the ad.

You really do need help.

Kat wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Think so, do you? Had a listen to Tony or Joe on the economy? Not half a clue between them.

Kat

Sure I do the only ones dumber than Rudd on economics are morons like yourself who worship him.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:07am:

cods wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 9:02am: red baron wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:56am: Getting  fed up being told  how little debt per person we have. So we have AAA rating, big f....g deal, we still have 300 billion wracked up in 4 years, that money plus a swag of interest will have to be re paid. I don't see any repayment going on, what I see is Rudd an Co. borrowing 100 million dollars a month just to pay the outgoings. This Government are a bunch of financial vandals. You can dress a turd up in a fancy doily but underneath its still a turd. have you noticed he doesnt tell us what we have GOT for all this DEBT... come on kruddyMk11 show us the roads and new hospitals..brand new schools.. we can afford to give Indonesia half a billion for a new school.. I am sure we have our share as well?.. gosh we didnt have a WAR either did we. so where did it go???????????????? have you noticed he doesnt tell us what we have GOT for all this DEBT Probably about a million jobs 4 years of economic growth low unemployment and a strong economy for a start.

I think I pointed out on another thread dna..

you would believe this man if he told you

we have no DEBT in fact we will have a surplus in 2014...

"WHY BECAUSE RUDDYMK11 SAID SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

he isnt called the second coming for nothing.. ;D


btw  Bowen your treasurer used the MAGIC BULLET slogan on tele this morning...

you should have seen Hockeys face.!! ;D ;D ;D


I dont mind you believing this man I really dont...

I just worry about what damage he can do as he is in charge..and Abbott isnt

its a bit like putting the piedpiper in charge of the orphanage. and having a goose making promises he cannot keep.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:31pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 11:59am: 300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcgM5H-uH4 Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ? Hi Nail, we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt ) After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion - he's just preparing us for that. source? Sorry - it's a guess based on past performance. Unless the Govt. does something radical - like cut all public servants pay by between 10% & 25% -  we'll have more debt. They are not going to do that & suffer the wrath of the unions. Sorry Bobby, but that's a load of bullsh1t. You are guessing numbers? Just plucking them out of your arse and then you act like the numbers are credible .... We have just gone through one of the worst global economic periods since the great depression ... as that situation improves so will our budget figures.

I am sorry to be the bringer of bad news but our debt
will just keep on climbing - no matter who is in power.

Just about everyone I know has lost their job.
The economy is wrecked.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Kat wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:36am: RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Think so, do you? Had a listen to Tony or Joe on the economy? ... and Tony runs a MILE - at the very THOUGHT of discussing ANYTHING, with Kevin Rudd in the ROOM Rudd ups the ante on Abbott challenge Matt Cram 24 July, 2013  Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has challenged Tony Abbott to a debate on asylum seeker policy in the 3AW studios. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has challenged Tony Abbott to a debate on asylum seeker policy in the 3AW studios. In his first interview with a metropolitan radio station, Mr Rudd told Neil Mitchell he's prepared to stay in Melbourne an extra 24 hours to debate the Opposition Leader on Thursday. Mr Abbott's office turned down the offer, but Mr Rudd upped the ante and offered to return to Melbourne any day next week. http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/neil-mitchell-blog/kevin-rudd-expects-industry-adjustments-from-fbt-changes/20130724-2qi50.html

Sounds like rudd is becoming desperate.
Abbott is all but calling the tune.
rudd has not called an election, Abbott has done the right thing to not do anything rudd wants.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

Just about everyone I know has lost their job.The economy is wrecked.

so your figures must be true then ... why didn't you say so in the first place. (by the way, that is sarcasm, in case you are unable to figure it out on your own)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

Sounds like rudd is becoming desperate.Abbott is all but calling the tune.rudd has not called an election, Abbott has done the right thing to not do anything rudd wants.

It's amazing to think how anyone could even think of voting for someone who won't even debate his own policies. It's even worse when you herald it as a good strategy. You've got to be a brain dead moron to want as your PM someone who can't even debate ideas with his opposition.

Are you both worried slogans don't cut it in a debate?

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:32am: Just about everyone I know has lost their job.The economy is wrecked. so your figures must be true then ... why didn't you say so in the first place. (by the way, that is sarcasm, in case you are unable to figure it out on your own)

It's not funny.
I know of over 18 people who have lost their jobs in the last 3 months.
The same problem in every place:
the phones stopped ringing -
no one wants to buy anything -
all Govt. contracts stopped as well.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:34am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:32am: Just about everyone I know has lost their job.The economy is wrecked. so your figures must be true then ... why didn't you say so in the first place. (by the way, that is sarcasm, in case you are unable to figure it out on your own) It's not funny. I know of over 18 people who have lost their jobs in the last 3 months. The same problem in every place: the phones stopped ringing - no one wants to buy anything - all Govt. contracts stopped as well.

I'm sure you do know them. But people find and lose jobs all the time.

Job losses in one area or one industry are not indicative of the whole bloody economy.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:31pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 25th, 2013 at 11:59am: 300 billions worth of debt summed up in 32 seconds. check it out !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcgM5H-uH4 Another 300 bill of debt won't hurt us will it ? Hi Nail, we owe $300 billion now. (Govt. debt ) After 3 more years of Rudd it will be over $600 billion - he's just preparing us for that. source? Sorry - it's a guess based on past performance. Unless the Govt. does something radical - like cut all public servants pay by between 10% & 25% -  we'll have more debt. They are not going to do that & suffer the wrath of the unions. Sorry Bobby, but that's a load of bullsh1t. You are guessing numbers? Just plucking them out of your arse and then you act like the numbers are credible .... We have just gone through one of the worst global economic periods since the great depression ... as that situation improves so will our budget figures. I am sorry to be the bringer of bad news but our debt will just keep on climbing - no matter who is in power. Just about everyone I know has lost their job. The economy is wrecked.

you need to read dna he claims the govt has created 4 mil jobs..like swan he doesnt tell us where.. but they are out there.

so tell your mates. if they havent found one..then they are deadset bludgers.

cods wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

you need to read dna he claims the govt has created 4 mil jobs..like swan he doesnt tell us where.. but they are out there.so tell your mates. if they havent found one..then they are deadset bludgers

you don't think there were any unemployed during Howards years Cods? There are always unemployed people. People lose jobs while other people start jobs. Businesses start and businesses close. It's a cycle. Overall, there were 4 million more jobs created country wide than what there were when labor came into govt.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:34am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:32am: Just about everyone I know has lost their job.The economy is wrecked. so your figures must be true then ... why didn't you say so in the first place. (by the way, that is sarcasm, in case you are unable to figure it out on your own) It's not funny. I know of over 18 people who have lost their jobs in the last 3 months. The same problem in every place: the phones stopped ringing - no one wants to buy anything - all Govt. contracts stopped as well. I'm sure you do know them. But people find and lose jobs all the time. Job losses in one area or one industry are not indicative of the whole bloody economy.

I have a bad feeling about the economy.
We seem to be ignoring it & concentrating on boat people -
which is not the real issue.

Rudd is drawing out the election time just like Keating.
Maybe Rudd wants to do Abbott slowly?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEsN4-XLE2k

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:42am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:34am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:32am: Just about everyone I know has lost their job.The economy is wrecked. so your figures must be true then ... why didn't you say so in the first place. (by the way, that is sarcasm, in case you are unable to figure it out on your own) It's not funny. I know of over 18 people who have lost their jobs in the last 3 months. The same problem in every place: the phones stopped ringing - no one wants to buy anything - all Govt. contracts stopped as well. I'm sure you do know them. But people find and lose jobs all the time. Job losses in one area or one industry are not indicative of the whole bloody economy. I have a bad feeling about the economy. We seem to be ignoring it & concentrating on boat people - which is not the real issue.

As the old saying goes:

" It's the economy stupid "

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 9:14am: Kat wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:36am: RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Think so, do you? Had a listen to Tony or Joe on the economy? ... and Tony runs a MILE - at the very THOUGHT of discussing ANYTHING, with Kevin Rudd in the ROOM Rudd ups the ante on Abbott challenge Matt Cram 24 July, 2013  Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has challenged Tony Abbott to a debate on asylum seeker policy in the 3AW studios. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has challenged Tony Abbott to a debate on asylum seeker policy in the 3AW studios. In his first interview with a metropolitan radio station, Mr Rudd told Neil Mitchell he's prepared to stay in Melbourne an extra 24 hours to debate the Opposition Leader on Thursday. Mr Abbott's office turned down the offer, but Mr Rudd upped the ante and offered to return to Melbourne any day next week. http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/neil-mitchell-blog/kevin-rudd-expects-industry-adjustments-from-fbt-changes/20130724-2qi50.html Sounds like rudd is becoming desperate. Abbott is all but calling the tune.

Well ... THAT'S a novel, but optimistic interpretation

( ... as long as the electorate - in GENERAL - read it that way)

cods wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:32am: I am sorry to be the bringer of bad news but our debt will just keep on climbing - no matter who is in power. Just about everyone I know has lost their job. The economy is wrecked. you need to read dna he claims the govt has created 4 mil jobs..like swan he doesnt tell us where.. but they are out there. so tell your mates. if they havent found one..then they are deadset bludgers.

I never said that Cods.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:33am: Sounds like rudd is becoming desperate.Abbott is all but calling the tunesp@mdd has not called an election, Abbott has done the right thing to not do anything rudd wants. It's amazing to think how anyone could even think of voting for someone who won't even debate his own policies. It's even worse when you herald it as a good strategy. You've got to be a brain dead moron to want as your PM someone who can't even debate ideas with his opposition. Are you both worried slogans don't cut it in a debate?

In a competition you do not play according to the other persons rules.
First rudd wanted a debate when it would have made abbott travel. Abbott wisely said "No, call an election first."
Now rudd is saying "a debate and i can wait a few days for you."
Abbott's saying, "When you call an election."

Abbotts winning already.

RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

Kat wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:36am: RightSadFred wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: thelastnail Its a very odd argument ...... we f....d up the economy but not as bad as other nations have f....d up theirs and not as much as we could of f....d up it all up ???? I doubt anyone is buying other than the rusted ons and Rudd himself, watch Rudd talk economics is like watching a 2 year old try to ride a bike for the first time. Think so, do you? Had a listen to Tony or Joe on the economy? Not half a clue between them. Kat Sure I do the only ones dumber than Rudd on economics are morons like yourself who worship him.

You need to learn to comprehend what you read too, smack-head.

I'm not a Rudd supporter, but I'd vote for ANYONE ahead of this putrid pile of faeces that you support.

And again, for you and your ilk.. if all you've got is 'stupid', 'moron', 'dole-bludger' then get a new act, of smack off.

Preferably to another country, cos we sure don't want you neo-fascist assholes in this one.

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Abbott wisely said ...

Now, come on...

Abbott has said many things, it's true.

But none of it has been said 'wisely', or anything even approaching it.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:33am: Sounds like rudd is becoming desperate.Abbott is all but calling the tunesp@mdd has not called an election, Abbott has done the right thing to not do anything rudd wants. It's amazing to think how anyone could even think of voting for someone who won't even debate his own policies. It's even worse when you herald it as a good strategy. You've got to be a brain dead moron to want as your PM someone who can't even debate ideas with his opposition. Are you both worried slogans don't cut it in a debate?

BINGO!

The righties here must be either brain-dead morons, or professional trolls.

They'd have to one or the other (or possibly both) to come close to believing some
of the garbage they post.

If ever a party thoroughly deserved to lose an election, it's these carnts. They've
certainly done nothing to deserve victory. Not one thing.

They'd be useful for one of only two things: Blood & bone for the roses.

Or berley.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:42am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:40am: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:34am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:32am: Just about everyone I know has lost their job.The economy is wrecked. so your figures must be true then ... why didn't you say so in the first place. (by the way, that is sarcasm, in case you are unable to figure it out on your own) It's not funny. I know of over 18 people who have lost their jobs in the last 3 months. The same problem in every place: the phones stopped ringing - no one wants to buy anything - all Govt. contracts stopped as well. I'm sure you do know them. But people find and lose jobs all the time. Job losses in one area or one industry are not indicative of the whole bloody economy. I have a bad feeling about the economy. We seem to be ignoring it & concentrating on boat people - which is not the real issue.

so do I. I think the economy is heading for a rough patch regardless of who wins the election. But that doesn't mean I just pull numbers out of my arse.

I don't think boat people are an issue either. But the polls show differently. It would be political suicide to ignore that fact. Labor was facing a wipe out because of the boat people, they had to do something.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

so do I. I think the economy is heading for a rough patch regardless of who wins the election.

yet when I have stated this exact thing with mine backed up by -

FX trading over the last quarter
Chinese economic growth statistics
Global employment factors
Australia consumer spending forecast

You get all worked up and start defending the Australian economy and saying how awesome it is??

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 1:53pm: so do I. I think the economy is heading for a rough patch regardless of who wins the election. yet when I have stated this exact thing with mine backed up by - FX trading over the last quarter Chinese economic growth statistics Global employment factors Australia consumer spending forecast You get all worked up and start defending the Australian economy and saying how awesome it is??

Did I ? Ok, show me where I said that ...... we all know you wouldn't be making up things like that now, don't we Andrei?

It's also important to point out that whilst I think we are heading for a rough patch, I don't think it will be all bad. Things will slow down, sure, but it all depends on the outcome of the next election. If Labor wins we should still keep ticking over, slower growth and higher cost of living pressures but we'll keep moving in the right direction. If Abbott wins on the other hand, recession here we come.

Kat wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

Quote: Abbott wisely lovingly said ... Now, come on... Abbott has said many things, it's true. But none of it has been said 'wisely', or anything even approaching it.

is that better ?

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 1:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 1:53pm: so do I. I think the economy is heading for a rough patch regardless of who wins the election. yet when I have stated this exact thing with mine backed up by - FX trading over the last quarter Chinese economic growth statistics Global employment factors Australia consumer spending forecast You get all worked up and start defending the Australian economy and saying how awesome it is?? Did I ? Ok, show me where I said that ...... we all know you wouldn't be making up things like that now, don't we Andrei? It's also important to point out that whilst I think we are heading for a rough patch, I don't think it will be all bad. Things will slow down, sure, but it all depends on the outcome of the next election. If Labor wins we should still keep ticking over, slower growth and higher cost of living pressures but we'll keep moving in the right direction. If Abbott wins on the other hand, recession here we come.

Higher cost of living pressures in a country where you already pay 40% more than I do in the UK or US for the same things?

That sounds promising.

Quote:

Higher cost of living pressures in a country where you already pay 40% more than I do in the UK or US for the same things?

Really, Mr Hicks?  Can you provide a decent cross section of examples?

Qantas - Business Class Return Melbourne - London

Full Price - A$12,022

Qantas UK
Business Class Return London - Melbourne (Exact Same dates/Same seat)

Full Price - 5,109 GBP

Taking an exchange rate of 0.59.

Aussies pay 12,022
British pay 8,659

Care to tell me why Aussies pay $3,363 more for the same seat then Aussie?

39% more than British people do?

RIP OFF AUSTRALIA

Volvo XC90

UK Price - 34,990 GBP (A$59,305)

AUS Price - $77,990

Price difference - A$18,685

You aren't ripped off?

This is the case across the board on flights, cars, clothes, electronic equipment etc etc

You live in a much more expensive country.

XBOX 360 Game (made in Singapore - 7 hours from Australia and 13 hours from UK)

FIFA 13

UK Price - 24.99 (A$42)

AUS Price A$69.99

Difference - $27

Australian price is 65% more than the price we pay in the UK.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Qantas - Business Class Return Melbourne - London Full Price - A$12,022 Qantas UK Business Class Return London - Melbourne (Exact Same dates/Same seat) Full Price - 5,109 GBP Taking an exchange rate of 0.59. Aussies pay 12,022 British pay 8,659 Care to tell me why Aussies pay $3,363 more for the same seat then Aussie? 39% more than British people do? RIP OFF AUSTRALIA

Or.....rip off Qantas?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

Volvo XC90 UK Price - 34,990 GBP (A$59,305) AUS Price - $77,990 Price difference - A$18,685 You aren't ripped off? This is the case across the board on flights, cars, clothes, electronic equipment etc etc You live in a much more expensive country.

And the tariff impact is?

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:41pm: Qantas - Business Class Return Melbourne - London Full Price - A$12,022 Qantas UK Business Class Return London - Melbourne (Exact Same dates/Same seat) Full Price - 5,109 GBP Taking an exchange rate of 0.59. Aussies pay 12,022 British pay 8,659 Care to tell me why Aussies pay $3,363 more for the same seat then Aussie? 39% more than British people do? RIP OFF AUSTRALIA Or.....rip off Qantas?

Its your national carrier.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:47pm: Volvo XC90 UK Price - 34,990 GBP (A$59,305) AUS Price - $77,990 Price difference - A$18,685 You aren't ripped off? This is the case across the board on flights, cars, clothes, electronic equipment etc etc You live in a much more expensive country. And the tariff impact is?

Then drop the tariff

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

XBOX 360 Game (made in Singapore - 7 hours from Australia and 13 hours from UK) FIFA 13 UK Price - 24.99 (A$42) AUS Price A$69.99 Difference - $27 Australian price is 65% more than the price we pay in the UK.

Who sets the price?  Are Aussie retailers ripping us off, or are their suppliers ripping them off?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:47pm: Volvo XC90 UK Price - 34,990 GBP (A$59,305) AUS Price - $77,990 Price difference - A$18,685 You aren't ripped off? This is the case across the board on flights, cars, clothes, electronic equipment etc etc You live in a much more expensive country. And the tariff impact is? Then drop the tariff

Yeah, might as well.  Who cares about Aussie jobs in the vehicle manufacturing industry?  As a matter of interest, where is that Volvo you mentioned manufactured?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:53pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:41pm: Qantas - Business Class Return Melbourne - London Full Price - A$12,022 Qantas UK Business Class Return London - Melbourne (Exact Same dates/Same seat) Full Price - 5,109 GBP Taking an exchange rate of 0.59. Aussies pay 12,022 British pay 8,659 Care to tell me why Aussies pay $3,363 more for the same seat then Aussie? 39% more than British people do? RIP OFF AUSTRALIA Or.....rip off Qantas? Its your national carrier.

So, it is Qantas ripping us off, yes?

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:49pm: XBOX 360 Game (made in Singapore - 7 hours from Australia and 13 hours from UK) FIFA 13 UK Price - 24.99 (A$42) AUS Price A$69.99 Difference - $27 Australian price is 65% more than the price we pay in the UK. Who sets the price?  Are Aussie retailers ripping us off, or are their suppliers ripping them off?

The Australian market sets the price.
A lot of the companies are exactly the same - HMV sell at those prices.

I walked into HMV off Piccadilly and picked up Fight Night 5 for 10 pounds.
HMV in Melbourne had it for $49.

I'm giving you the facts, in Australia you pay on average a good 30-40% and more on a lot of items than I do in the UK and thats even worse when compared with the United States.

It shouldn't be a surprise - London is 16th most expensive city in the world.
Sydney is 10th!

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:56pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:47pm: Volvo XC90 UK Price - 34,990 GBP (A$59,305) AUS Price - $77,990 Price difference - A$18,685 You aren't ripped off? This is the case across the board on flights, cars, clothes, electronic equipment etc etc You live in a much more expensive country. And the tariff impact is? Then drop the tariff Yeah, might as well.  Who cares about Aussie jobs in the vehicle manufacturing industry?  As a matter of interest, where is that Volvo you mentioned manufactured?

What Aussie car making jobs??

;D

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:56pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:47pm: Volvo XC90 UK Price - 34,990 GBP (A$59,305) AUS Price - $77,990 Price difference - A$18,685 You aren't ripped off? This is the case across the board on flights, cars, clothes, electronic equipment etc etc You live in a much more expensive country. And the tariff impact is? Then drop the tariff Yeah, might as well.  Who cares about Aussie jobs in the vehicle manufacturing industry?  As a matter of interest, where is that Volvo you mentioned manufactured?

Torslanda, Sweden.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:56pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:53pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:41pm: Qantas - Business Class Return Melbourne - London Full Price - A$12,022 Qantas UK Business Class Return London - Melbourne (Exact Same dates/Same seat) Full Price - 5,109 GBP Taking an exchange rate of 0.59. Aussies pay 12,022 British pay 8,659 Care to tell me why Aussies pay $3,363 more for the same seat then Aussie? 39% more than British people do? RIP OFF AUSTRALIA Or.....rip off Qantas? Its your national carrier. So, it is Qantas ripping us off, yes?

There is a similar price difference using KLM, British Airways, Air France, take your pick.

You seriously arent challenging that you pay more in Australia are you?

Oh look, another thread Andre has made about himself and how much better he thinks everything is outside of Australia.

How is the US Andre, spending plenty of time with the family are we?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:59pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:56pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 3:47pm: Volvo XC90 UK Price - 34,990 GBP (A$59,305) AUS Price - $77,990 Price difference - A$18,685 You aren't ripped off? This is the case across the board on flights, cars, clothes, electronic equipment etc etc You live in a much more expensive country. And the tariff impact is? Then drop the tariff Yeah, might as well.  Who cares about Aussie jobs in the vehicle manufacturing industry?  As a matter of interest, where is that Volvo you mentioned manufactured? Torslanda, Sweden.

Okay, so no cheap labor involved at all?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 2:16pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 1:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 1:53pm: so do I. I think the economy is heading for a rough patch regardless of who wins the election. yet when I have stated this exact thing with mine backed up by - FX trading over the last quarter Chinese economic growth statistics Global employment factors Australia consumer spending forecast You get all worked up and start defending the Australian economy and saying how awesome it is?? Did I ? Ok, show me where I said that ...... we all know you wouldn't be making up things like that now, don't we Andrei? It's also important to point out that whilst I think we are heading for a rough patch, I don't think it will be all bad. Things will slow down, sure, but it all depends on the outcome of the next election. If Labor wins we should still keep ticking over, slower growth and higher cost of living pressures but we'll keep moving in the right direction. If Abbott wins on the other hand, recession here we come. Higher cost of living pressures in a country where you already pay 40% more than I do in the UK or US for the same things? That sounds promising.

lets just pretend the higher wages don't matter

Quote:

There is a similar price difference using KLM, British Airways, Air France, take your pick. You seriously arent challenging that you pay more in Australia are you?

Not at all.  I'm hoping you can explain why, given your intimate knowledge of the airline industry and all. 

Verge wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

Oh look, another thread Andre has made about himself and how much better he thinks everything is outside of Australia. How is the US Andre, spending plenty of time with the family are we?

This is nothing about myself and everything about how Australia is a rip off and people pay far and above what the rest of the developed world do.

But you carry on paying it verge.

Aussie - Rather than beat around the bush here, we'll cut to the chase and I'll ask you outright.

Do you believe Australia has an overall significantly higher cost of living that the European Union and the United States?

Quote:

I'm giving you the facts, in Australia you pay on average a good 30-40% and more on a lot of items than I do in the UK

Gee, I'm doing okay here.  You started at 65%, and after just  a few questions, you are down to 30-40%.  I know sfa about this stuff, but it's pretty clear you have no idea either Mr Hicks.

I have to agree with Andrei on this one ... we are ripped off compared to other countries. We have no real competition.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Quote: Higher cost of living pressures in a country where you already pay 40% more than I do in the UK or US for the same things? Really, Mr Hicks?  Can you provide a decent cross section of examples?

Did I Aussie?

I thought I started at 40.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Aussie - Rather than beat around the bush here, we'll cut to the chase and I'll ask you outright. Do you believe Australia has an overall significantly higher cost of living that the European Union and the United States?

Yeah, I know we do, but I also know that my son-in-law Pom 'environmental engineer' earns more money dealing with sh1t in Australia than he does doing the same job in the UK.  Same with his Wife, my youngest step-daughter.  She earns much more in Australia as an OT than she does in Scotland.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

Quote: I'm giving you the facts, in Australia you pay on average a good 30-40% and more on a lot of items than I do in the UK Gee, I'm doing okay here.  You started at 65%, and after just  a few questions, you are down to 30-40%.  I know sfa about this stuff, but it's pretty clear you have no idea either Mr Hicks.

Nah I've only lived in all 3 countries in the last decade. What would I know.

Apology accepted.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Aussie - Rather than beat around the bush here, we'll cut to the chase and I'll ask you outright. Do you believe Australia has an overall significantly higher cost of living that the European Union and the United States? Yeah, I know we do, but I also know that my son-in-law Pom 'environmental engineer' earns more money dealing with sh1t in Australia than he does doing the same job in the UK.  Same with his Wife, my youngest step-daughter.  She earns much more in Australia as an OT than she does in Scotland.

I was waiting for him to get to that bit, I even tried to remind him of it, but Andrei is onlyinterested in the negative side of things.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:22pm: Quote: I'm giving you the facts, in Australia you pay on average a good 30-40% and more on a lot of items than I do in the UK Gee, I'm doing okay here.  You started at 65%, and after just  a few questions, you are down to 30-40%.  I know sfa about this stuff, but it's pretty clear you have no idea either Mr Hicks. Nah I've only lived in all 3 countries in the last decade. What would I know. Apology accepted.

No apology was offered.  I made a concession that as with most blokes having my qualifications, I know sfa about economics and even have trouble with simple arithmetic.  Always check your Lawyer's addition, they are hopeless.

As for what you'd know having lived 'in all 3 countries,' well, I can only go by what you post here.

By you readily apologize for stating (incorrectly- which is loose for a lawyer) that I started at 65%?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

By you readily apologize for stating (incorrectly- which is loose for a lawyer) that I started at 65%?

No, I don't because you left one bit of straw I can still grasp.

So I started at 65% or 40%?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

So I started at 65% or 40%?

I dunno Your Honour, but with steadfast determination and skill unimaginable, I beat you down to 30-40%, and in one case, you really did refer to 65%, Your Honour.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Aussie - Rather than beat around the bush here, we'll cut to the chase and I'll ask you outright. Do you believe Australia has an overall significantly higher cost of living that the European Union and the United States? Yeah, I know we do, but I also know that my son-in-law Pom 'environmental engineer' earns more money dealing with sh1t in Australia than he does doing the same job in the UK.  Same with his Wife, my youngest step-daughter.  She earns much more in Australia as an OT than she does in Scotland.

Are you sure that your rellies are telling the truth, Aussie?  I certainly would never, ever tell my rellies how much I really earn as it is none of their business.

Do you discuss over the dinner table, with friends and rellies, your current financial arrangements ? A discussion about who earns what can lead to many porkies ...  ;D  Plus, since you said that you know absolutely zero about "economics" why would they tell you anything? Are they coveting your taxi cab licence?  ;D

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what a sad life you must lead nerferti ... I've no problem telling my relo's how much I earn ... most are genuinely pleased for me, those that aren't well nothing like rubbing salt into the wounds

Neferti wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:25pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Aussie - Rather than beat around the bush here, we'll cut to the chase and I'll ask you outright. Do you believe Australia has an overall significantly higher cost of living that the European Union and the United States? Yeah, I know we do, but I also know that my son-in-law Pom 'environmental engineer' earns more money dealing with sh1t in Australia than he does doing the same job in the UK.  Same with his Wife, my youngest step-daughter.  She earns much more in Australia as an OT than she does in Scotland. Are you sure that your rellies are telling the truth, Aussie?  I certainly would never, ever tell my rellies how much I really earn as it is none of their business. Do you discuss over the dinner table, with friends and rellies, your current financial arrangements ? A discussion about who earns what can lead to many porkies ...  ;D  Plus, since you said that you know absolutely zero about "economics" why would they tell you anything? Are they coveting your taxi cab licence?  ;D

Income and financial matters are discussed quite openly in my family, as well as between me and my inlaws too.

Half the time they are fishing for financial advice, the other half they want their tax done for nothing.

I dont think money is the taboo subject it once was many years ago.

Verge wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Income and financial matters are discussed quite openly in my family, as well as between me and my inlaws too. Half the time they are fishing for financial advice, the other half they want their tax done for nothing. I dont think money is the taboo subject it once was many years ago.

Sure, people discuss money matters over the dinner table but unless you are their Accountant and see their financial papers you have no idea what they really earn. 

Most people lie about their financial situation. Fact.  ;)

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

what a sad life you must lead nerferti ... I've no problem telling my relo's how much I earn ... most are genuinely pleased for me, those that aren't well nothing like rubbing salt into the wounds

Do you, honestly? Bet you up the anti a bit too, huh? Do also flash your last Tax Return to prove how much you are worth?  ;D

Neferti wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Income and financial matters are discussed quite openly in my family, as well as between me and my inlaws too. Half the time they are fishing for financial advice, the other half they want their tax done for nothing. I dont think money is the taboo subject it once was many years ago. Sure, people discuss money matters over the dinner table but unless you are their Accountant and see their financial papers you have no idea what they really earn.  Most people lie about their financial situation. Fact.  ;)

I am their accountant, so I guess they know better than to lie to me since they know 1 - It could lead to the wrong advice and 2 - I do their tax returns so I see it anyway.

You are right about some beefing up their salaries.  I remember having a beer after the local footy and overhearing a guy brag about how much his bonus was and how much he made last year being in the six figures, only for me to smile thinking "I did your return when I did your parents business ones and you didnt even crack $50k."  Sadly I couldnt correct him for obvious reasons but it was amusing if nothing else.

Neferti wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:25pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Aussie - Rather than beat around the bush here, we'll cut to the chase and I'll ask you outright. Do you believe Australia has an overall significantly higher cost of living that the European Union and the United States? Yeah, I know we do, but I also know that my son-in-law Pom 'environmental engineer' earns more money dealing with sh1t in Australia than he does doing the same job in the UK.  Same with his Wife, my youngest step-daughter.  She earns much more in Australia as an OT than she does in Scotland. Are you sure that your rellies are telling the truth, Aussie?  I certainly would never, ever tell my rellies how much I really earn as it is none of their business. Do you discuss over the dinner table, with friends and rellies, your current financial arrangements ? A discussion about who earns what can lead to many porkies ...  ;D  Plus, since you said that you know absolutely zero about "economics" why would they tell you anything? Are they coveting your taxi cab licence?  ;D

I have a friend, living in Japan, who has no problems telling people, even on facebook, what sh!t money she and her husband earn in Japan.

:)

BTW.....
Just look at andrei, on here....

:D

Neferti wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 5:10pm: what a sad life you must lead nerferti ... I've no problem telling my relo's how much I earn ... most are genuinely pleased for me, those that aren't well nothing like rubbing salt into the wounds Do you, honestly? Bet you up the anti a bit too, huh? Do also flash your last Tax Return to prove how much you are worth?  ;D

nope, I am quite content with my income, I've no need to up anything. I make more than some and less than others ... the actual $$$ amounts are irrelevant anyway, It's what you do with it that matters.

That so true john. Take andre for example, he makes well over $250k, pays less tax and has a lower cost of living according to him, yet still expects taxpayer funded child care because it's difficult for he and his wife.