'Caring' Greens unveil asylum policy to increase nation's refugee intake


The Greens would strip away all deterrents from refugee policy and aim to stop deaths at sea by dramatically increasing Australia's refugee intake and boosting the capacity of the United Nations refugee agency to process claims in Indonesia.

The pre-election policy to be released on Wednesday would also shut down detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island, give work rights to those in the community and lift the ban on people in refugee-producing countries coming directly by air to seek asylum.

It would also appoint an Australian ambassador for refugee protection to help broker a regional co-operation response modelled on the approach of Malcolm Fraser with Vietnamese asylum seekers in the 1970s.

The Coalition has announced a plan to massively expand the tent accommodation on Nauru.
The Greens will strive for a more humane approach. Photo: Angela Wylie
The policy has been criticised by the government, and the Coalition's immigration spokesman Scott Morrison who says it ''won't stop the boats''. Meanwhile, bad weather had delayed the transfer of the first asylum seekers to Manus Island under the Rudd Government's agreement with Papua New Guinea.

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Buoyed by polling showing only one in three voters trusts the major parties to ''handle refugees with care'', the Greens will market themselves as the only party offering ''compassion, legality and the only model for saving refugee lives at sea that has ever really worked''.

''If you want to stop the people-smuggling business, you have to undercut it, and that means providing a viable option that does not force refugees into the hands of people smugglers in the first place,'' says the party's spokeswoman on asylum, Senator Sarah Hanson-Young.

Greens leader Christine Milne will propose a doubling of funding to the United Nations refugee agency to speed up assessment and resettlement of asylum seekers in Indonesia and Malaysia, and a 10,000 increase in Australia's refugee intake. One in three places in the 30,000 program would be set aside for refugees assessed by the UN agency in the region, including at least 3800 in Indonesia.

Senator Milne said the Parliamentary Budget Office has costed an increase in the humanitarian program to 30,000 at $2.5 billion over four years, a fraction of the amount spent on offshore processing.

A Galaxy poll commissioned by the Greens found that almost 50 per cent of voters did not trust either Labor or the Liberals ''to put caring for refugees before political interest''. The same proportion did not trust either of the major parties to ''handle refugees with care''.

''Both parties are moving so far to the right, it's difficult to imagine the next level of cruelty they could possibly engage in,'' Senator Milne told Fairfax Media. ''They are bringing shame on Australia in a national and global sense.''

Spending an extra $70 million a year to boost the UNHCR's capacity in the region was in line with recommendations of the Gillard government's expert panel and would ''take pressure off people feeling like they have no other option than to be on boats''.

The policy commits the Greens to restore Australia's migration zone ''to match our land and sea territory''; to guarantee legal review and community detention options for refugees who receive adverse ASIO security assessments; and to replace the immigration minister with an independent guardian for unaccompanied children seeking asylum.

Labor, Coalition critical

Immigration Minister Tony Burke told Fairfax Media the Greens answer to the boat arrivals and deaths at sea would not work.

''I dearly wish it was that simple, but the truth is with millions of asylum seekers around the world, a change in Australia's humanitarian intake of 10,000 is hardly going to stop the loss of life at sea,'' he said.

''If you're serious about the role of the United Nations, then I think you have to believe that our humanitarian quota should be filled in consultation with the UN, not selected by people smugglers.''

Mr Morrison also said he did not agree with the Greens plan, telling ABC radio that with so many refugees worldwide, increasing the intake would not make a difference.

''We don't agree that increasing the intake at the end of the day when you've got less than one per cent of the world's refugees actually getting resettlement . . .  moving that dial by 4 or 5,000 either way is going to make any real difference,'' he said.

The Coalition's policy is to reduce the current humanitarian intake from 20,000 people a year to 13,750 a year, including 11,000 reserved for offshore applicants.

''Not one of those visas will be given to someone who has arrived illegally by boat,'' he told ABC Radio. 

Mr Morrison said the risk of the Greens policy is ''you don't want to create Indonesia as a magnate for people to move into either''.

He said the Coalition's ''Operation Sovereign Borders'' was designed to stop people coming to the region.

Earlier on Wednesday, Senator Milne criticised the major parties for their asylum seeker policies, saying it was not a military or border security issue but a humanitarian one.

She also said that deterrence did not work when it came to dealing with asylum seeker flows. ''We've seen an absolutely horrible and farcical raising of the stakes,'' she told ABC Radio.

PNG solution

Under the government's policy, all boat arrivals will be sent to Manus Island for process

processing and eventual settlement in Papua New Guinea if they are found to be refugees.

The first asylum seekers bound for Manus Island had been scheduled to leave Australia on Tuesday evening, arriving some time on Wednesday morning, but a spokesman for the Department of Immigration on Wednesday confirmed the transfer had been delayed due to poor weather.

Arrangements were being made for the group to be sent to PNG as soon as possible.

They will be the first arrivals since Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his PNG counterpart, Peter O'Neill, agreed to expand asylum seeker processing two weeks ago.

The initial group is likely to consist of only men, with women and children to be moved at a later date.

The fourth and final flight carrying equipment destined for Manus arrived in PNG earlier this week, with work continuing to expand the facility.

Mr Burke said on Wednesday that it would take about a day for asylum seekers in Australia to be transferred to Manus Island. People will not be sent from Australia, however, until health checks are complete.

The minister said the facilities at Manus Island were not yet ready for family groups, as he wanted them separate from single adult males.

''At the moment, I'm only comfortable with single adult males going across,'' he told ABC radio. ''I want to get the standards to a point where more can go across and I don’t believe it will take a long time to do that.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/caring-greens-unveil-asylum-policy-to-increase-nations-refugee-intake-20130730-2qxf0.html

Australians do not want this Country to turn into some kind of hybrid satellite of Islam.

This Country's character will be changed forever if we allow a wholesale importation of Muslims into Australia.

There is nothing new about my stand, European countries such as Germany are finding they have to take a stand on just such an issue.

Senator Milne said the Parliamentary Budget Office has costed an increase in the humanitarian program to 30,000 at $2.5 billion over four years, a fraction of the amount spent on offshore processing.


The bit I like most is that the greens expect everyone to believe that by increasing oue intake by 7000 reffo alll of a sudden the flow of boaties will stop and the cost of off shore processing will just disappear.

Well christine moron, will we could take the extra 7000 and they will still keep coming and the number will still keep increasing and you have just cost us an extra $2.5 bil. Your cunning plan will do bugger all as per usual,

The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering.

Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down.

fair dinkum Greenie...

lets just open the gates and turn Australia into some Afghanistan clone..

and let Australians pay for the pleasure of getting our country ruined and our culture swamped..

open the gates... let in all of the terrorist... watch how these scumbags rape our women and children or even behead one of our soldiers...

WE'LL SAY WHO COMES TO OUR COUNTRY....

NOT A HANDFULL OF SMELLY HIPPY BUMS THAT DON'T PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH...

That $2.5b would more than fund the $50/week No-Start increase.

I'd argue that's where it should be spent, not handed over to the UN.

True Blue... wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:40am:

fair dinkum Greenie... lets just open the gates and turn Australia into some Afghanistan clone.. and let Australians pay for the pleasure of getting our country ruined and our culture swamped.. open the gates... let in all of the terrorist... watch how these scumbags rape our women and children or even behead one of our soldiers... WE'LL SAY WHO COMES TO OUR COUNTRY.... NOT A HANDFULL OF SMELLY HIPPY BUMS THAT DON'T PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH...

92% of the processed refugees that have entered via boats are refugees. A higher rate than those that enter by plane. If you are worrying about terrorism, why do you support an open door via planes. The most likely path for a budding suicide bomber.

Kat wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:43am:

That $2.5b would more than fund the $50/week No-Start increase. I'd argue that's where it should be spent, not handed over to the UN.

The Greens' $50 a week dole payment increase is already Greens' policy and also already funded.

I Don't support ILLEGALS full stop...

if you believe in the Global warming fraud like you say you do then why are you wanting to open the gates of Australia and have billions of people living here like in India..

one of the biggest polluters in the world...

more people = more carbon .... you say you are against that but like all green hippies they don't practice what they preach..

where's your solar system.. ? you haven't got one

where's your water tank that catches rain water? you haven't got one...

bring in millions of people into Australia at the tax payers expense... but it'll increase Australia carbon foot print.. .now hang on... you want to reduce Australia footprint...

you are contradictory...

you probably drive a big fuel guzzling car too...

fair dinkum greenie...

the best way to be a green is to practise what you preach...

but oh no... you think bombarding this forum with your cut and paste dribble is your way of making a greener cleaner Australia..

::)

____ wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:33am:

The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering. Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down.

But it only caters for an extra 7000 reffos, what about the rest that are sitting inindon waiting for the next boat over. What is the ggreens policy for those that are left waiting to get on a boat to Australia?


Typical greens alll fluff no substance.

True Blue... wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:58am:

I Don't support ILLEGALS full stop... if you believe in the Global warming fraud like you say you do then why are you wanting to open the gates of Australia and have billions of people living here like in India.. one of the biggest polluters in the world... more people = more carbon .... you say you are against that but like all green hippies they don't practice what they preach.. where's your solar system.. ? you haven't got one where's your water tank that catches rain water? you haven't got one... bring in millions of people into Australia at the tax payers expense... but it'll increase Australia carbon foot print.. .now hang on... you want to reduce Australia footprint... you are contradictory... you probably drive a big fuel guzzling car too... fair dinkum greenie... the best way to be a green is to practise what you preach... but oh no... you think bombarding this forum with your cut and paste dribble is your way of making a greener cleaner Australia.. ::)

- Refugees are not illegal

- Global Warming doesn't stop at our coastline. The best way to engage action on the planet's responses to all issues are to see ourselves as humans. Nationalism sees us a small and so is ineffective.

This is why I support a one world democratic government and the end to all boarders.

- As I have already stated, I rent so do not have solar panels or water tanks. Now hopefully this time it sinks in.


Now rather than deflect off the topic via an attack of the messenger ... grow a pair and discuss the topic, not me.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 8:07am:

____ wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:33am: The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering. Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down. But it only caters for an extra 7000 reffos, what about the rest that are sitting inindon waiting for the next boat over. What is the ggreens policy for those that are left waiting to get on a boat to Australia? Typical greens alll fluff no substance.

If they were all planning to come by boat, do you think they would already be here?

Come on bigol, use your brains we all know you have.

Quote:

'Caring' Greens unveil asylum policy to increase nation's refugee intake The Greens would strip away all deterrents from refugee policy and aim to stop deaths at sea by dramatically increasing Australia's refugee intake and boosting the capacity of the United Nations refugee agency to process claims in Indonesia. The pre-election policy to be released on Wednesday would also shut down detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island, give work rights to those in the community and lift the ban on people in refugee-producing countries coming directly by air to seek asylum. It would also appoint an Australian ambassador for refugee protection to help broker a regional co-operation response modelled on the approach of Malcolm Fraser with Vietnamese asylum seekers in the 1970s. [...]

Any 'Green Compassion' for unfashionable Australians? Australians like the frail, aged, infirm, blind, mentally ill, youth in crisis, the suicidal, children waiting to die in the terminal wards of our children's hospitals, etc? Any sign of 'Green Compassion'?


Quote:

Royal Children's Hospital faces budget cuts as state and federal governments in bitter health fund feud ROYAL Children's Hospital is the latest Victorian health service to warn of drastic cuts amid a bitter funding spat between state and federal governments. Victorian Health Minister David Davis has accused the Commonwealth of using "dodgy" population statistics as the basis for cutting $107 million from the state's health budget this financial year. But federal Health Minister Tanya Plibersek hit back yesterday, using a meeting with Victorian hospital chiefs to say it was the Baillieu Government that was putting patient care at risk by its own cuts to the health budget. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/royal-childrens-hospital-faces-budget-cuts-as-state-and-federal-governments-in-bitter-health-fund-feud/story-e6frf7kx-1226535668410#

____ wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 8:15am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:07am: ____ wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:33am: The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering. Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down. But it only caters for an extra 7000 reffos, what about the rest that are sitting inindon waiting for the next boat over. What is the ggreens policy for those that are left waiting to get on a boat to Australia? Typical greens alll fluff no substance. If they were all planning to come by boat, do you think they would already be here? Come on bigol, use your brains we all know you have.

I was not talking about all reffos just the 2000 per month coming by boat now. An in crease of 7000 per year will be consumed in less than 6 weeks what about all the others who are arriving?


The greens have a inadequate solution that deals with 7000 of the 20 000 to 30 000 people arriving by boat each year and the numbers are increasing. What is the greens solution for the the rest of them?


Talk about only doing (not even) half a job and claiming full price.  ;D


There is a very good reason 90% of Australia's voter reject the greens as nothing more than a loony left wing fringe party, it's because they are and grossly incompetent to boot.

salad in wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 8:26am:

Quote: 'Caring' Greens unveil asylum policy to increase nation's refugee intake The Greens would strip away all deterrents from refugee policy and aim to stop deaths at sea by dramatically increasing Australia's refugee intake and boosting the capacity of the United Nations refugee agency to process claims in Indonesia. The pre-election policy to be released on Wednesday would also shut down detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island, give work rights to those in the community and lift the ban on people in refugee-producing countries coming directly by air to seek asylum. It would also appoint an Australian ambassador for refugee protection to help broker a regional co-operation response modelled on the approach of Malcolm Fraser with Vietnamese asylum seekers in the 1970s. [...] Any 'Green Compassion' for unfashionable Australians? Australians like the frail, aged, infirm, blind, mentally ill, youth in crisis, the suicidal, children waiting to die in the terminal wards of our children's hospitals, etc? Any sign of 'Green Compassion'? [quote] Royal Children's Hospital faces budget cuts as state and federal governments in bitter health fund feud ROYAL Children's Hospital is the latest Victorian health service to warn of drastic cuts amid a bitter funding spat between state and federal governments. Victorian Health Minister David Davis has accused the Commonwealth of using "dodgy" population statistics as the basis for cutting $107 million from the state's health budget this financial year. But federal Health Minister Tanya Plibersek hit back yesterday, using a meeting with Victorian hospital chiefs to say it was the Baillieu Government that was putting patient care at risk by its own cuts to the health budget. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/royal-childrens-hospital-faces-budget-cuts-as-state-and-federal-governments-in-bitter-health-fund-feud/story-e6frf7kx-1226535668410#

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How is Labor's federal health minister connected to Greens' compassionate policies in your mind.

____ wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am:

How is Labor's federal health minister connected to Greens' compassionate policies in your mind.

My article is a vignette that is meant to be emblematic of things needing attention and funding within our borders. If I were to post all articles relating to underfunded worthy causes in Australia we'd be here until Xmas.

'Greens Compassion' should reach no further than Australia's borders. How 'bout the Caring Greens develop a policy to purchase a new fleet of King Air aeroplanes for the RFDS? There's a great place to start.

Heres my solution to the fake refugee problem ...





http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/15/article-2144798-1319FE25000005DC-812_634x370.jpg






Problem solved http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/thumb.gif

good on ya greenie...

keep making excuses as to why you don't live green like you preach...

sponge off others that have provided a house for you to live in...

just because you rent doesn't mean you can't catch some water, recycle, compost, set up a small solar system catching power in batteries to run something and reduce your energy consumption etc etc etc...

the greens stupid plan wont work.. you only need to see countries in Europe where it has failed miserably...

that Stupid Tony Blair opened up the boarders... now they have Mini Iraq's set up in different places... Mosques going up all over the place... women walking around covered up head to toe like walking potato sacks... sharia Law being handed out and forced upon others..

most of them in the UK are on welfare living in their own communities not mixing into the Uk way of life... and in fact... in some of the European Countries they have very nearly bread their way into taking over the country they were invited into...

the Majority of people in the EU want to get out of it as it's a failed attempt at a one world government...

its been tried and its failed... so what makes you think it'll work here?

its not rocket surgery...  :o

Indonesian boats, crewed by Indonesians, coming from Indonesia full of illegals.

Turn the bloody things back where they came from...no PNG....No Nauru...Just send the bastards back!

Look after the innocent victims and morally upright of this world and deal with the morally corrupt...that is the rational thing to do...

____ wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:33am:

The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering. Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down.

Your demented, so we take 3800 from Indo, yet we have 50K a year coming in, tell me what will the 46200 ppl not accepted from Indo each year do??? Oh that's right get on a boat.

Moron

Greenie,

what sort of Coffee do you drink and why?

woof woof wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:57pm:

____ wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:33am: The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering. Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down. Your demented, so we take 3800 from Indo, yet we have 50K a year coming in, tell me what will the 46200 ppl not accepted from Indo each year do??? Oh that's right get on a boat. Moron

Australia resettled only 560 UNHCR referred refugees from Indonesia during the period 2001 to February 2010.[36] The following table provides a yearly break-down of the number of visa grants since 2001:

Calendar year
Visa grants
2001

2

2002

39

2003

100

2004

103

2005

48

2006

13

2007

87

2008

45

2009

95

Total

532

Source: DIAC advice provided to the Parliamentary Library in 2010.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/RefugeeResettlement

If Australia cleaned up organized crime as did other countries we could easily cope with the humanitarian crises...

are my questions getting too hard to you Greenie...

They are not relative to the thread.

____ wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:31am:

They are not relative to the thread.

And the Greens Party is not relative to Australian citizens

Please abolish this half witted party!!!!!!!!!It should be a referendum at the next election.

____ wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:49am:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:40am: fair dinkum Greenie... lets just open the gates and turn Australia into some Afghanistan clone.. and let Australians pay for the pleasure of getting our country ruined and our culture swamped.. open the gates... let in all of the terrorist... watch how these scumbags rape our women and children or even behead one of our soldiers... WE'LL SAY WHO COMES TO OUR COUNTRY.... NOT A HANDFULL OF SMELLY HIPPY BUMS THAT DON'T PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH... 92% of the processed refugees that have entered via boats are refugees. A higher rate than those that enter by plane. If you are worrying about terrorism, why do you support an open door via planes. The most likely path for a budding suicide bomber.

92% is a lovely statistic made totally irrelevant by the fact the Department of Immigration has a 'benefit of the doubt' policy which has been in effect for many years now, whereby if the identity of the country shopper cannot be identified they are still deemed as refugees and allowed out into the community with their new Aussie paperwork stating on it any name these jokers care to give to our gullible authorities.
This of course has everything to do with those who have chucked their passports over the side of their smugglers boat prior to that boat being boarded by naval personnel.
And here you were thinking all those passports all accidently fell over the side as the navy's runabout was close by.
Ha, these opportunists who have intentionally disposed of their papers have something to hide.
How many radical Islamists, murderers, rapists, drug peddlers, foreign army deserters and other scum have been allowed into our communities thanks to the gross stupidity of the Greens and Labor.
The system is a total joke, and the new Greens policy will actually do absolutely nothing to stop deaths at sea.
These economic migrants already have other legal UNHCR  alternatives in place other than flying to the other side of the globe and seeking out a criminal people smuggler in Indonesia.
At least with those arriving by plane, we do know who they really are, not who they say they are or where they say they originated from.

last night Tony Burke said they were only sending men to PNG to start with..

he thinks this is ideal >:(

92% ? ... coincidentally thats the same percentage as the number of reffos that will be on the dole forever, how about that.  :D

cods wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 10:07am:

last night Tony Burke said they were only sending men to PNG to start with.. he thinks this is ideal >:(

Well he has to say that cods, lest he finds he is banished to the naughty corner on the back bench.
But with now over 1500 arrivals since Rudd's grand announcement the other Friday, and only 79 of those being sent to PNG so far, it is obvious this policy is a dud.
Even if all the 1500+ were all sent to PNG, the PNG PM has set a total limit of 3000 only.
Another dud policy from Krudd.
More smoke and mirrors from KRudd as well, which is only designed to get him across the line in September and has nothing to do with him solving a serious problem he created in 2008.

I assume this 7000 increase will be offset by an equal or greater reduction in other migration streams.  After all, greens are all about a sustainable population aren't they?






..yeh right.

... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 10:24am:

I assume this 7000 increase will be offset by an equal or greater reduction in other migration streams.  After all, greens are all about a sustainable population aren't they? ..yeh right.

Ummm, well no.
Greens_win stated previously on one thread that he thought it would be a good idea of his that Australia should take in 430,000 refugees each year over a 10 year period which would see Australia take in the worlds current refugee total of 43 million thereby saving the planets refugee population.
And he's quite happy and quite lucid in the next breath to then discuss sustainability policies for Australia.
Or then discuss at length how we should stop mining in this country without a thought that such a move would cripple the nations economy.
Greens_win is but one of the many kooky spooky types which the Greens party draws in to the fold with their wacky viewpoint and cannot be taken as a serious political alternative.
You would be aware that the Greens party see themselves as the saviours of mankind.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 10:49am:

... wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:24am: I assume this 7000 increase will be offset by an equal or greater reduction in other migration streams.  After all, greens are all about a sustainable population aren't they? ..yeh right. Ummm, well no. Greens_win stated previously on one thread that he thought it would be a good idea of his that Australia should take in 430,000 refugees each year over a 10 year period which would see Australia take in the worlds current refugee total of 43 million thereby saving the planets refugee population. And he's quite happy and quite lucid in the next breath to then discuss sustainability policies for Australia. Or then discuss at length how we should stop mining in this country without a thought that such a move would cripple the nations economy. Greens_win is but one of the many kooky spooky types which the Greens party draws in to the fold with their wacky viewpoint and cannot be taken as a serious political alternative. You would be aware that the Greens party see themselves as the saviours of mankind.

If you are going to quote me, at least do it correctly. 43 million over no stated time period.

____ wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 11:40am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:49am: ... wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:24am: I assume this 7000 increase will be offset by an equal or greater reduction in other migration streams.  After all, greens are all about a sustainable population aren't they? ..yeh right. Ummm, well no. Greens_win stated previously on one thread that he thought it would be a good idea of his that Australia should take in 430,000 refugees each year over a 10 year period which would see Australia take in the worlds current refugee total of 43 million thereby saving the planets refugee population. And he's quite happy and quite lucid in the next breath to then discuss sustainability policies for Australia. Or then discuss at length how we should stop mining in this country without a thought that such a move would cripple the nations economy. Greens_win is but one of the many kooky spooky types which the Greens party draws in to the fold with their wacky viewpoint and cannot be taken as a serious political alternative. You would be aware that the Greens party see themselves as the saviours of mankind. If you are going to quote me, at least do it correctly. 43 million over no stated time period.

You did state 10 years in that post green.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 11:44am:

____ wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:40am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:49am: ... wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:24am: I assume this 7000 increase will be offset by an equal or greater reduction in other migration streams.  After all, greens are all about a sustainable population aren't they? ..yeh right. Ummm, well no. Greens_win stated previously on one thread that he thought it would be a good idea of his that Australia should take in 430,000 refugees each year over a 10 year period which would see Australia take in the worlds current refugee total of 43 million thereby saving the planets refugee population. And he's quite happy and quite lucid in the next breath to then discuss sustainability policies for Australia. Or then discuss at length how we should stop mining in this country without a thought that such a move would cripple the nations economy. Greens_win is but one of the many kooky spooky types which the Greens party draws in to the fold with their wacky viewpoint and cannot be taken as a serious political alternative. You would be aware that the Greens party see themselves as the saviours of mankind. If you are going to quote me, at least do it correctly. 43 million over no stated time period. You did state 10 years in that post green.

I didn't think I did yet you have a certain level of integrity even with your wayward political view, so will accept your word.

As far as my opinion of 43 million, that is connected with my opinion that the world should be borderless and the human species should be seen as one.

All humans should see this landmass as a sanctuary from tyranny. All refugees allowed to enter, gain refugee status, access education, medical treatment and access to a decent living standard via employment until their region is suitable for their return or another region is chosen or they settle permanent in this region.

I see humans that are attempting to improve their situation as a resource and an asset, not something to hate and punish. This is why I will never support the inhumane actions of the old parties.

The old parties have started a slippery slope. First their inhumane actions are against refugees, next it will be against Australians.

____ wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 12:04pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:44am: ____ wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:40am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:49am: ... wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:24am: I assume this 7000 increase will be offset by an equal or greater reduction in other migration streams.  After all, greens are all about a sustainable population aren't they? ..yeh right. Ummm, well no. Greens_win stated previously on one thread that he thought it would be a good idea of his that Australia should take in 430,000 refugees each year over a 10 year period which would see Australia take in the worlds current refugee total of 43 million thereby saving the planets refugee population. And he's quite happy and quite lucid in the next breath to then discuss sustainability policies for Australia. Or then discuss at length how we should stop mining in this country without a thought that such a move would cripple the nations economy. Greens_win is but one of the many kooky spooky types which the Greens party draws in to the fold with their wacky viewpoint and cannot be taken as a serious political alternative. You would be aware that the Greens party see themselves as the saviours of mankind. If you are going to quote me, at least do it correctly. 43 million over no stated time period. You did state 10 years in that post green. I didn't think I did yet you have a certain level of integrity even with your wayward political view, so will accept your word. As far as my opinion of 43 million, that is connected with my opinion that the world should be borderless and the human species should be seen as one. All humans should see this landmass as a sanctuary from tyranny. All refugees allowed to enter, gain refugee status, access education, medical treatment and access to a decent living standard via employment until their region is suitable for their return or another region is chosen or they settle permanent in this region. I see humans that are attempting to improve their situation as a resource and an asset, not something to hate and punish. This is why I will never support the inhumane actions of the old parties. The old parties have started a slippery slope. First their inhumane actions are against refugees, next it will be against Australians.

I appreciate the sentiment from which your viewpoint comes from, however it is a science fiction which no western nation could ever support.

____ wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:31am:

They are not relative to the thread.

it is relevant for my observations in regards to calling yourself a green...

so far you have failed every test on green and compassionate grounds...

you are oblivious of how to simply help poorer people and their environments in poorer countries simply by buying the right coffee...

you "say" you are green.... but you are only a forum "try hard" ... you are an embarrassment...  :-[

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:57pm:

[quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1375304459/26#26 date=1375396284]They are not relative to the thread.

it is relevant for my observations in regards to calling yourself a green...

so far you have failed every test on green and compassionate grounds...

you are oblivious of how to simply help poorer people and their environments in poorer countries simply by buying the right coffee...

you "say" you are green.... but you are only a forum "try hard" ... you are an embarrassment...  :-[/quote]

you can run but you can't hide Greenie...

Neither running or hiding.

You lost me when you claimed renters are spongers. Don't plan on wasting my time with you again.

____ wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:37pm:

Neither running or hiding. You lost me when you claimed renters are spongers. Don't plan on wasting my time with you again.

I doubt that very much...

you went quiet after I called you out for not practicing what you preach...

you should change your name and take out the "GREEN" in it as you wouldn't know what its like to live green or support those in poorer countries so that they can live green...

and this is one of the most important things we can do as a nation to support another economically challenged country... support some of their farming industries that wont leave them out of pocket, or see their native forests and environment destroyed with chemicals...

but hey.. .as long as you are alight JACK...

just keep doing our cut and pastes and think you are actually making a difference..

you're a fricken joke...  >:(

True Blue... wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:13pm:

good on ya greenie... keep making excuses as to why you don't live green like you preach... sponge off others that have provided a house for you to live in... just because you rent doesn't mean you can't catch some water, recycle, compost, set up a small solar system catching power in batteries to run something and reduce your energy consumption etc etc etc... the greens stupid plan wont work.. you only need to see countries in Europe where it has failed miserably... that Stupid Tony Blair opened up the boarders... now they have Mini Iraq's set up in different places... Mosques going up all over the place... women walking around covered up head to toe like walking potato sacks... sharia Law being handed out and forced upon others.. most of them in the UK are on welfare living in their own communities not mixing into the Uk way of life... and in fact... in some of the European Countries they have very nearly bread their way into taking over the country they were invited into... the Majority of people in the EU want to get out of it as it's a failed attempt at a one world government... its been tried and its failed... so what makes you think it'll work here? its not rocket surgery...  :o

more like you are just trying to find a pathetic excuse so that you don't have to debate the hard questions..

a lot like Gillard you are...

go have a pity party you hypocritical nincompoop...

How about discussing politics rather than harassing posters and calling names.

Grow up

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____ wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:37pm:

Neither running or hiding. You lost me when you claimed renters are spongers. .

I've been thinking Greenie...

I should not have said that you were a sponge because you rent...

I was totally out of line and I apologise...  ;)

Thank you T.B.
Much appreciated.

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'Caring' Greens unveil asylum policy to increase nation's refugee intake The Greens would strip away all deterrents from refugee policy and aim to stop deaths at sea by dramatically increasing Australia's refugee intake and boosting the capacity of the United Nations refugee agency to process claims in Indonesia. The pre-election policy to be released on Wednesday would also shut down detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island, give work rights to those in the community and lift the ban on people in refugee-producing countries coming directly by air to seek asylum. It would also appoint an Australian ambassador for refugee protection to help broker a regional co-operation response modelled on the approach of Malcolm Fraser with Vietnamese asylum seekers in the 1970s. [...]

How 'bout getting Milne and the Greens to increase funding for medical research into cancer rather than pinching money from medical research to throw it at asylum shoppers.


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Forgotten cancers are killing Australians amid funding shortfalls AUSTRALIANS are dying needlessly of five "forgotten cancers" because of a critical shortfall in research funding, even as survival rates shoot up for more high-profile conditions such as breast and skin cancer. Survival rates for brain, pancreatic, gynaecological, liver and lung cancers have not improved in four decades, languishing as low as 5 per cent for pancreatic cancer. At the same time, our survival rate for all cancers leads the world at 66 per cent, 92 per cent for prostate cancer and 89 per cent for breast cancer. "The forgotten cancers are the high mortality cancers that are under resourced and haven't managed to attract the same sort of funding as the high incidence cancers like breast and prostate," said Dr Libby Topp from the Cancer Council. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/forgotten-cancers-are-killing-australians-amid-funding-shortfalls/story-fni0cx12-1226690798500

Whats an asylum shopper?

____ wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

Whats an asylum shopper?

I think you know what an asylum shopper is ;)

salad in wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

____ wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:40pm: Whats an asylum shopper? I think you know what an asylum shopper is ;)

An asylum seeker who is allowed on the mainland to shop?

SOB

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