Race-hate common amongst non-whites



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Michael Richards




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I have been wondering about why Whites are racists,     and no other race is...          Inline image 1     Proud to be White     Michael Richards makes his point...     Michael Richards better known as Kramer     from TVs' Seinfeld does make a good point.     This was his defense speech in court     after making racial comments in his comedy act.     In it he raised a few interesting points...     Someone finally said it.     But how many are actually paying attention to this?     There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans,     Arab Americans, etc.     And then there are just Americans...     You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.     You call me 'White boy', 'Cracker', 'Honkey', 'Whitey', 'Caveman'...     And that's OK...     But when I call you black person, Kike,     Towel head, Sand-black person, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink...     You call me a racist.     You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you...     So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live in?     You have the United Negro College Fund.     You have Martin Luther King Day.     You have Black History Month.     You have Cesar Chavez Day.     You have Yom Hashoah.     You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.     You have the NAACP.     You have BET...     Imagine if we had WET     (White Entertainment Television)...     we'd be racists.     If we had a White Pride Day,     you would call us racists.     If we had White History Month,     we'd be racists.     If we had any organization for whites only to 'advance' OUR lives,     we'd be racists.     We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce,     and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.     Wonder who pays for that???     A white woman could not be in the     Miss Black American pageant,     but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.     If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...     You know we'd be racists.     There are over 60 openly proclaimed     Black Colleges in the US ...     Yet if there were 'White colleges',     that would be a racist college.     In the Million Men March,     you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.     If we marched for our race and rights,     you would call us racists.     You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange,     and you're not afraid to announce it.     But when we announce our white pride,     you call us racists.     You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.     But,     when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.     I am proud...     But you call me a racist.     Why is it that only whites can be racists???     There is nothing improper     about this e-mail...     But let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on.     I sadly don't think many will.     That's why     we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS     in this country.     We won't stand up for ourselves!     BE PROUD     TO BE WHITE!     It's not a crime YET...     But getting very close!     It is estimated that ONLY 5%     of those reaching this point in this     e-mail, will pass it on.      In God We Trust

The whole article above is FAKE.


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Analysis: Though the above text has been widely disseminated online and seems especially popular on Neo-Nazi and "white power" websites, it dates from well before Michael Richards' infamous onstage tirade against African-American audience members at the L.A. Laugh Factory on November 17, 2006. Richards did not write it, nor could it have constituted his "defense speech in court," given that there were no charges filed and no trial ever took place. The content of the text is also at odds with Richards' stated apology after the videotaped incident, in which he said he was "deeply, deeply sorry" for shouting racial epithets at two black men who had heckled him during his performance at the comedy club. The true author of the text is unknown.

Yadda,
check your sources next time.

forgiven

namaste

Also the pride days and history days have a reason

SOB

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Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:26pm:

The whole article above is FAKE. http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/dubiousquotes/a/michaelrichards.htm Quote: Analysis: Though the above text has been widely disseminated online and seems especially popular on Neo-Nazi and "white power" websites, it dates from well before Michael Richards' infamous onstage tirade against African-American audience members at the L.A. Laugh Factory on November 17, 2006. Richards did not write it, nor could it have constituted his "defense speech in court," given that there were no charges filed and no trial ever took place. The content of the text is also at odds with Richards' stated apology after the videotaped incident, in which he said he was "deeply, deeply sorry" for shouting racial epithets at two black men who had heckled him during his performance at the comedy club. The true author of the text is unknown. Yadda, check your sources next time. forgiven namaste

Whoops!       :-[

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:29am:

Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division.

I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.   

Quantum wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:59am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.

Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:34pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group?

Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment?

Quantum wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment?

Bad form to answer a question with a question, old bean.

No, I am not a member of any minority group, except those on this and many other forums who still believe truly in a "fair go" for everybody.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:13pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment? Bad form to answer a question with a question, old bean. No, I am not a member of any minority group, except those on this and many other forums who still believe truly in a "fair go" for everybody.

But it is hardly a fair go when it goes beyond assistance and turns into dependence and when the help goes from seeking equality to privilege. Exactly how long should any society continue to give special treatment to any particular group in the name of equality? At what point in enough enough?

Quantum wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 5:13pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment? Bad form to answer a question with a question, old bean. No, I am not a member of any minority group, except those on this and many other forums who still believe truly in a "fair go" for everybody. But it is hardly a fair go when it goes beyond assistance and turns into dependence and when the help goes from seeking equality to privilege. Exactly how long should any society continue to give special treatment to any particular group in the name of equality? At what point in enough enough?

There will always be a minority who abuse any system and it is independent of "race"/culture/ethnicity/religion/etc.   No one is "privileged" in Australian society except on the basis of wealth.  We have no real class structure as occurs overseas.  Anybody can aspire to any position in society, be it the Governor-General or the Prime Minister.  No one is born to rule.  No one social group or "race" or religion dominates.  Some receive special help but that is on the basis of circumstance, not some inherent birth right.

All one reads here continually is what John Howard referred to as the "politics of jealousy".  When coupled with Xenophobia/racism/bigotry, it is a dangerous and of course disruptive mix.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 5:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 5:13pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment? Bad form to answer a question with a question, old bean. No, I am not a member of any minority group, except those on this and many other forums who still believe truly in a "fair go" for everybody. But it is hardly a fair go when it goes beyond assistance and turns into dependence and when the help goes from seeking equality to privilege. Exactly how long should any society continue to give special treatment to any particular group in the name of equality? At what point in enough enough? There will always be a minority who abuse any system and it is independent of "race"/culture/ethnicity/religion/etc.   No one is "privileged" in Australian society except on the basis of wealth.  We have no real class structure as occurs overseas.  Anybody can aspire to any position in society, be it the Governor-General or the Prime Minister.  No one is born to rule.  No one social group or "race" or religion dominates.  Some receive special help but that is on the basis of circumstance, not some inherent birth right. All one reads here continually is what John Howard referred to as the "politics of jealousy".  When coupled with Xenophobia/racism/bigotry, it is a dangerous and of course disruptive mix.

And why then exactly do they want to change the constitution to make special mention of just one group of Australians? Why is it again that they have a little box on most government forms these days asking if you are indigenous which allows for special treatment if you are? Is this not a birth right? Is this not privilege based on ones ancestry?


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No one is born to rule.  No one social group or "race" or religion dominates.

Then why then is society so hell bent on keeping white Christian males down? Why do women, blacks, and now even religions like Islam need extra support? How can there be unequal treatment in the name of equality?   

I am trying to see where you are going with this post. You say that anyone can aspire to any position they want to in this country, but your earlier post are arguing that some need extra help in the name of giving a fair go. If the doors are open for all, then no one should be given extra help, and no one should be held back to help others.   

It depends on what is your "special treatment"?

You look at some equality rights as "special treatment". That's the problem.


Quantum wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment?

Bowen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

It depends on what is your "special treatment"? You look at some equality rights as "special treatment". That's the problem. Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment?

I look at the English language as something that should be preserved. That means that words like equality should talk about equall treatment. Instead, Equality today does in fact mean special treatment. The laws today say that if you are X you get more than Y in the name of equality. It is BS, plain and simple.

I agree with your general representation. However, I believe multi-language public education is necessary for equality. Do you agree? No, you don't. You only believe that everybody speak English and forget all other languages is your "equality".

That's our difference.


Quantum wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:14pm: It depends on what is your "special treatment"? You look at some equality rights as "special treatment". That's the problem. Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment? I look at the English language as something that should be preserved. That means that words like equality should talk about equall treatment. Instead, Equality today does in fact mean special treatment. The laws today say that if you are X you get more than Y in the name of equality. It is BS, plain and simple.

Bowen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

I agree with your general representation. However, I believe multi-language public education is necessary for equality. Do you agree? No, you don't. You only believe that everybody speak English and forget all other languages is your "equality". That's our difference. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:14pm: It depends on what is your "special treatment"? You look at some equality rights as "special treatment". That's the problem. Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment? I look at the English language as something that should be preserved. That means that words like equality should talk about equall treatment. Instead, Equality today does in fact mean special treatment. The laws today say that if you are X you get more than Y in the name of equality. It is BS, plain and simple.

Orrrrr, yu wan fwied wice wid dat?

Stuff your language suggestions up your Chinese arse Bowen. We have gone over this a thousand times.

My position;
If everyone talks the same language, no one is left out. Australia speaks English. Everything official is written in English. If you come to Australia, learn English and you will fit right in no problem.

Your postion;
People can keep talking their old countries language, and the people who live in Australia should learn their language to make them feel welcome.

Of course the problem with your batshlt idea is that there are several thousand languages on earth, and in Australia today you have a good chance of finding someone who speaks one of them. So we  all would need to learn every language on earth, otherwise we won't be able to welcome everyone.

This is why you don't feel welcome Bowen. You come from another country with buggered up stupid ideas and then expect the locals to accept them. If we don't we are racist. You are museum piece example of left wing ideas gone wild.

Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here?

I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality.


Quantum wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:30pm: I agree with your general representation. However, I believe multi-language public education is necessary for equality. Do you agree? No, you don't. You only believe that everybody speak English and forget all other languages is your "equality". That's our difference. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:14pm: It depends on what is your "special treatment"? You look at some equality rights as "special treatment". That's the problem. Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:34pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:59am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Also the pride days and history days have a reason SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They may have had a reason, but not now. All they are doing now is creating division. I am willing to agree with the idea that any minority group needs help to be integrated into society. But there is a point where all assistance must stop and true equality must be allowed to survive on its own. What we are seeing in the western world is that minority groups are becoming privileged groups and their cries for "equal opportunity" are turning into expectations of entitlement and hatred for the majority. More interesting is the clashes happening between minority groups themselves, as those who expect special treatment are denying the special treatment of others. None of this reversed racism or sexism is ever going to achieve anything in the long run.    Spoken by a member of the dominant cultural/"racial"/ethnic/religious/gender group? Asked by a member of a minority group who thinks they deserve special treatment? I look at the English language as something that should be preserved. That means that words like equality should talk about equall treatment. Instead, Equality today does in fact mean special treatment. The laws today say that if you are X you get more than Y in the name of equality. It is BS, plain and simple. Orrrrr, yu wan fwied wice wid dat? Stuff your language suggestions up your Chinese arse Bowen. We have gone over this a thousand times. My position; If everyone talks the same language, no one is left out. Australia speaks English. Everything official is written in English. If you come to Australia, learn English and you will fit right in no problem. Your postion; People can keep talking their old countries language, and the people who live in Australia should learn their language to make them feel welcome. Of course the problem with your batshlt idea is that there are several thousand languages on earth, and in Australia today you have a good chance of finding someone who speaks one of them. So we  all would need to learn every language on earth, otherwise we won't be able to welcome everyone. This is why you don't feel welcome Bowen. You come from another country with buggered up stupid ideas and then expect the locals to accept them. If we don't we are racist. You are museum piece example of left wing ideas gone wild.

Bowen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality.

Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't.

No, I did not ask you to learn Chinese. But, if you do not learn other language, don't blame others that do not learning English at the same time. Don't blame others that do not integrate.

I believe I am better than you for the society. Because I learn English to communicate to the community.


Quantum wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:03pm: Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality. Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't.

Bowen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

No, I did not ask you to learn Chinese. But, if you do not learn other language, don't blame others that do not learning English at the same time. Don't blame others that do not integrate. I believe I am better than you for the society. Because I learn English to communicate to the community. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:33pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:03pm: Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality. Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't.

If you come to this country, it is your job to integrate. It is not my job to integrate into your ghetto.

Both you and me are migrants or posterity of migrants. Why it's only my job to integrate? Both you and me have the job. Especially when you talk about equality.



Quantum wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:41pm: No, I did not ask you to learn Chinese. But, if you do not learn other language, don't blame others that do not learning English at the same time. Don't blame others that do not integrate. I believe I am better than you for the society. Because I learn English to communicate to the community. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:33pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:03pm: Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality. Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't. If you come to this country, it is your job to integrate. It is not my job to integrate into your ghetto.

Bowen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:

Both you and me are migrants or posterity of migrants. Why it's only my job to integrate? Both you and me have the job. Especially when you talk about equality. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:07pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:41pm: No, I did not ask you to learn Chinese. But, if you do not learn other language, don't blame others that do not learning English at the same time. Don't blame others that do not integrate. I believe I am better than you for the society. Because I learn English to communicate to the community. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:33pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:03pm: Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality. Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't. If you come to this country, it is your job to integrate. It is not my job to integrate into your ghetto.

Our culture made the country what it is while your people were picking rice in a field. Now that you have built a run way on your rice field you want to fly here and enjoy the quality of life that our country offers. You want to come here, integrate. What to keep living like a rice eater? catch the first plane back.

If you read more books instead of wasting time in drinking , you should know 200 years is only a short period in the history. There are still many advantages in a culture which had led the world for more than 2000 years. Integrating means to learn each others, not others follow your culture only.


Quantum wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:27pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:23pm: Both you and me are migrants or posterity of migrants. Why it's only my job to integrate? Both you and me have the job. Especially when you talk about equality. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:07pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:41pm: No, I did not ask you to learn Chinese. But, if you do not learn other language, don't blame others that do not learning English at the same time. Don't blame others that do not integrate. I believe I am better than you for the society. Because I learn English to communicate to the community. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:33pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:03pm: Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality. Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't. If you come to this country, it is your job to integrate. It is not my job to integrate into your ghetto. Our culture made the country what it is while your people were picking rice in a field. Now that you have built a run way on your rice field you want to fly here and enjoy the quality of life that our country offers. You want to come here, integrate. What to keep living like a rice eater? catch the first plane back.

Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:19am:

If you read more books instead of wasting time in drinking , you should know 200 years is only a short period in the history. There are still many advantages in a culture which had led the world for more than 2000 years. Integrating means to learn each others, not others follow your culture only. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:27pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:23pm: Both you and me are migrants or posterity of migrants. Why it's only my job to integrate? Both you and me have the job. Especially when you talk about equality. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:07pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:41pm: No, I did not ask you to learn Chinese. But, if you do not learn other language, don't blame others that do not learning English at the same time. Don't blame others that do not integrate. I believe I am better than you for the society. Because I learn English to communicate to the community. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:33pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:03pm: Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality. Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't. If you come to this country, it is your job to integrate. It is not my job to integrate into your ghetto. Our culture made the country what it is while your people were picking rice in a field. Now that you have built a run way on your rice field you want to fly here and enjoy the quality of life that our country offers. You want to come here, integrate. What to keep living like a rice eater? catch the first plane back.

See, racist again. Always attacking us white Australians.


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There are still many advantages in a culture which had led the world for more than 2000 years

This is the problem. You love Chinese culture. You praise it. You say how great it is. You say it has something to offer Australia. Yet you still refuse to acknowledge Australian culture. You just keep saying that Australia culture is multiculturalism and that my culture is just one of many. No! My culture is the default culture. It is the one that made Australia what it is today. Before plane loads of you Asians got here everyone acknowledge and new what Australian culture was. Now that you are here and living in your ghetto with your other Chinese mates you want to claim that Australian culture doesn't exist. You are the reason why people are turning against multiculturalism.    

Do you know any about logic? I told you if you ask me to learn more about your culture, you should do the same. And you told me your culture is superior than me, so I have to follow yours. When I told you it's not true, you call me racist.

Why not you call yourself a racist when you say your culture is superior?

What is Australian culture? The original Australian culture is Aboriginal culture. All the other cultures are imported cultures.

How many years have your culture been here? Only about 200 years. The early Chinese migrants came here at least 150 years ago. How can you claim only your culture is Australian culture?


Quantum wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 7:19am: If you read more books instead of wasting time in drinking , you should know 200 years is only a short period in the history. There are still many advantages in a culture which had led the world for more than 2000 years. Integrating means to learn each others, not others follow your culture only. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:27pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:23pm: Both you and me are migrants or posterity of migrants. Why it's only my job to integrate? Both you and me have the job. Especially when you talk about equality. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:07pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:41pm: No, I did not ask you to learn Chinese. But, if you do not learn other language, don't blame others that do not learning English at the same time. Don't blame others that do not integrate. I believe I am better than you for the society. Because I learn English to communicate to the community. Quantum wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:33pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 9:03pm: Don't I learn and speak English? What I am doing here? I did not ask you to learn Chinese. I don't care. But I hope my son learn Chinese when he learn English at the same time. And I believe it's necessary for equality. Actually that is exactly what you did do. In fact you called people racist for saying that they won't. If you come to this country, it is your job to integrate. It is not my job to integrate into your ghetto. Our culture made the country what it is while your people were picking rice in a field. Now that you have built a run way on your rice field you want to fly here and enjoy the quality of life that our country offers. You want to come here, integrate. What to keep living like a rice eater? catch the first plane back. See, racist again. Always attacking us white Australians. Quote: There are still many advantages in a culture which had led the world for more than 2000 years This is the problem. You love Chinese culture. You praise it. You say how great it is. You say it has something to offer Australia. Yet you still refuse to acknowledge Australian culture. You just keep saying that Australia culture is multiculturalism and that my culture is just one of many. No! My culture is the default culture. It is the one that made Australia what it is today. Before plane loads of you Asians got here everyone acknowledge and new what Australian culture was. Now that you are here and living in your ghetto with your other Chinese mates you want to claim that Australian culture doesn't exist. You are the reason why people are turning against multiculturalism.

Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

Do you know any about logic? I told you if you ask me to learn more about your culture, you should do the same. And you told me your culture is superior than me, so I have to follow yours. When I told you it's not true, you call me racist. Why not you call yourself a racist when you say your culture is superior? What is Australian culture? The original Australian culture is Aboriginal culture. All the other cultures are imported cultures. How many years have your culture been here? Only about 200 years. The early Chinese migrants came here at least 150 years ago. How can you claim only your culture is Australian culture?

I never said my culture was superior. I said that my culture is the culture of this nation. If you want to live in this nation you need to adapt to my culture. Just like if I wanted to live in China I would have to adapt to Chinese culture.

You made the choice to come here. The onus is on you to change to our ways, not for us to change to yours.   

Bowen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

I agree with your general representation. However, I believe multi-language public education is necessary for equality. Do you agree? No, you don't. You only believe that everybody speak English and forget all other languages is your "equality". That's our difference.

As far as I know, English is the official language of government, law and business in Australia. A society needs at most one common language to function properly. Learning multiple languages isn't necessary for equality. If you teach everyone to read, write and speak in this one language, that's good enough.

There are hundreds of languages in the world and if we had to teach every single one of them to achieve "equality," that would be exhausting. Having an "official language" eliminates that problem.

It means you can communicate with people of British, Indian, Chinese, Malaysian, Korean, Japanese, Russian ancestry, etc. Otherwise it would be like what happened in the Story of the Tower of Babel in the Bible.

Don't get me wrong. I think there are benefits to learning foreign languages, but it isn't about equality. Some countries (like Malaysia) have been teaching multiple languages at school for decades. It's good for business in the South East Asia region where the two dominant powers are China and the USA.

The good thing about learning foreign languages is that if a group of people are planning some conspiracy (or making racist remarks), you know what they're saying. It won't sound like some secret code to you. 8-)


Bowen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:

Both you and me are migrants or posterity of migrants. Why it's only my job to integrate? Both you and me have the job. Especially when you talk about equality.

Do they force people to learn Cantonese or Teochew in Guangdong? 8-)

What about the Min, Hakka and Gan dialects in Fujian?

I thought only "guoyu" was mandatory.

It might be difficult however, to find your way around in Hong Kong if the people there don't know Mandarin.

BTW, English is the "guoyu" of Australia.

Look, if I want to communicate with English speaking people, I learn English. That's what exactly I am doing. However, It's my personal choice instead of my responsibility. There are many English native speaker living in China, they do not speak Chinese. Is there anyone force them to speak Chinese?


Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:30pm: I agree with your general representation. However, I believe multi-language public education is necessary for equality. Do you agree? No, you don't. You only believe that everybody speak English and forget all other languages is your "equality". That's our difference. As far as I know, English is the official language of government, law and business in Australia. A society needs at most one common language to function properly. Learning multiple languages isn't necessary for equality. If you teach everyone to read, write and speak in this one language, that's good enough. There are hundreds of languages in the world and if we had to teach every single one of them to achieve "equality," that would be exhausting. Having an "official language" eliminates that problem. It means you can communicate with people of British, Indian, Chinese, Malaysian, Korean, Japanese, Russian ancestry, etc. Otherwise it would be like what happened in the Story of the Tower of Babel in the Bible. Don't get me wrong. I think there are benefits to learning foreign languages, but it isn't about equality. Some countries (like Malaysia) have been teaching multiple languages at school for decades. It's good for business in the South East Asia region where the two dominant powers are China and the USA. The good thing about learning foreign languages is that if a group of people are planning some conspiracy (or making racist remarks), you know what they're saying. It won't sound like some secret code to you. 8-) Bowen wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:23pm: Both you and me are migrants or posterity of migrants. Why it's only my job to integrate? Both you and me have the job. Especially when you talk about equality. Do they force people to learn Cantonese or Teochew in Guangdong? 8-) What about the Min, Hakka and Gan dialects in Fujian? I thought only "guoyu" was mandatory. It might be difficult however, to find your way around in Hong Kong if the people there don't know Mandarin. BTW, English is the "guoyu" of Australia.

Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Look, if I want to communicate with English speaking people, I learn English. That's what exactly I am doing. However, It's my personal choice instead of my responsibility.

Australia isn't very multilingual. Speaking foreign languages is something "frowned upon" in this country. Speaking English is considered a "patriotic duty" in Australia. That's at least the impression I got in high school. In high school, people found it offensive to hear "Asians" speaking a foreign language. Although I think the topic only came up a few times in high school, I assumed nothing had changed since then, during all those years I spent studying in high school and university, isolated from the rest of society and buried in books. If people didn't complain, it was because they were only trying to be "polite."

I think it has a lot to do with Australia's history. The fear of invasion is deeply entrenched in Australia's culture and national tradition. At school they would tell you about World War II and Japanese expansionism. Maybe things have changed, maybe they don't do that in school anymore, but that narrative is deeply entrenched in my mind. Until someone tells me otherwise, I assume they have ANZAC services every year in schools and have one minute of silence on Remembrance Day.

But I can just imagine ............ that maybe people have grown so "soft," they're afraid to talk about war to an eight year-old child .................. :o

While some people in China may have a fear of foreigners as a result of it being a victim of national humiliation in the 19th century, there's a difference between one person speaking a foreign language in China and one person speaking a foreign language in Australia.

One person speaking English in China is hardly a threat to a country of 1.3 billion people, compared to one person speaking Mandarin in Australia, a country with 23 million people. Multiply that by 100 or 10,000 and consider the consequences. Who would feel threatened first, the people in Australia or the people in China?


Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

There are many English native speaker living in China, they do not speak Chinese. Is there anyone force them to speak Chinese?

If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D

This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem.


Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D

This is the real problem. It is wrong and the language is not about the "patriotic duty". Actually, racism is breaking the "patriotic duty" of the minority. I will fight for Australia if necessary. At the same time, I'd love to speak Chinese with anyone who can understand Chinese instead of English. Because Chinese is my native language and I can express my meaning in more details.


Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Australia isn't very multilingual. Speaking foreign languages is something "frowned upon" in this country. Speaking English is considered a "patriotic duty" in Australia. That's at least the impression I got in high school. In high school, people found it offensive to hear "Asians" speaking a foreign language.

Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem. Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:50pm: If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D

It becomes a big problem if every business and service in the country just speaks its own language. If everyone speaks the one language there is no problem. Why is this simple point too hard for you to grasp?

You go on and on about not having a "separated society" yet you support and defend the very things that cause division.

One language = one nation. 1000 different languages = a land full of tribes.
People assimilating = one nation. People not assimilating = a land full of tribes.

Typical lefty. Those who want unity get labelled racist, while those who want division believe they are supporters of unity :D   

You don't want unity. You only want others follow you. I want unity. That's why I speak English to communicate with you and speak Chinese with the people who can understand.


Quantum wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:06pm: This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem. Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:50pm: If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D It becomes a big problem if every business and service in the country just speaks its own language. If everyone speaks the one language there is no problem. Why is this simple point too hard for you to grasp? You go on and on about not having a "separated society" yet you support and defend the very things that cause division. One language = one nation. 1000 different languages = a land full of tribes. People assimilating = one nation. People not assimilating = a land full of tribes. Typical lefty. Those who want unity get labelled racist, while those who want division believe they are supporters of unity :D

Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

You don't want unity. You only want others follow you. I want unity. That's why I speak English to communicate with you and speak Chinese with the people who can understand. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:35pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:06pm: This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem. Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:50pm: If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D It becomes a big problem if every business and service in the country just speaks its own language. If everyone speaks the one language there is no problem. Why is this simple point too hard for you to grasp? You go on and on about not having a "separated society" yet you support and defend the very things that cause division. One language = one nation. 1000 different languages = a land full of tribes. People assimilating = one nation. People not assimilating = a land full of tribes. Typical lefty. Those who want unity get labelled racist, while those who want division believe they are supporters of unity :D

And what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them?

The fact that you have learnt English so as to live in Australia is all the proof needed that you are full of Shlt. If you didn't actually believe Australia was an English speaking country you wouldn't have bothered. Your argument are some of the worse I have ever seen on this forum.   

I am not bothered by most of people speaking English in Australia, but I am bothered by some racists like you forcing others to speak English.


Quantum wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:50pm: You don't want unity. You only want others follow you. I want unity. That's why I speak English to communicate with you and speak Chinese with the people who can understand. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:35pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:06pm: This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem. Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:50pm: If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D It becomes a big problem if every business and service in the country just speaks its own language. If everyone speaks the one language there is no problem. Why is this simple point too hard for you to grasp? You go on and on about not having a "separated society" yet you support and defend the very things that cause division. One language = one nation. 1000 different languages = a land full of tribes. People assimilating = one nation. People not assimilating = a land full of tribes. Typical lefty. Those who want unity get labelled racist, while those who want division believe they are supporters of unity :D    And what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them? The fact that you have learnt English so as to live in Australia is all the proof needed that you are full of Shlt. If you didn't actually believe Australia was an English speaking country you wouldn't have bothered. Your argument are some of the worse I have ever seen on this forum.

Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

I am not bothered by most of people speaking English in Australia, but I am bothered by some racists like you forcing others to speak English. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 2:01pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:50pm: You don't want unity. You only want others follow you. I want unity. That's why I speak English to communicate with you and speak Chinese with the people who can understand. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:35pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:06pm: This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem. Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:50pm: If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D It becomes a big problem if every business and service in the country just speaks its own language. If everyone speaks the one language there is no problem. Why is this simple point too hard for you to grasp? You go on and on about not having a "separated society" yet you support and defend the very things that cause division. One language = one nation. 1000 different languages = a land full of tribes. People assimilating = one nation. People not assimilating = a land full of tribes. Typical lefty. Those who want unity get labelled racist, while those who want division believe they are supporters of unity :D    And what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them? The fact that you have learnt English so as to live in Australia is all the proof needed that you are full of Shlt. If you didn't actually believe Australia was an English speaking country you wouldn't have bothered. Your argument are some of the worse I have ever seen on this forum.

You didn't answer the question, but instead returned to the "you're racist" deflection.

Again, what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them?

Bowen wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

I am not bothered by most of people speaking English in Australia, but I am bothered by some racists like you forcing others to speak English.

You don't have to speaka da engrish, but if you don't, we can't include you in our fun and games.

Oh well - it's your loss.

What you said is reasonable. I agree with you. Actually, I am happy to speak English with English community like what I am doing here. However, I am also happy to speak Chinese with anybody who understand Chinese like my Chinese friends or Kevin Rudd.

Do you remember the news about the French girl on the bus at Melbourne several months ago? The racists did now allow the girl sing in French. That's the problem of racists.


... wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 2:24pm: I am not bothered by most of people speaking English in Australia, but I am bothered by some racists like you forcing others to speak English. You don't have to speaka da engrish, but if you don't, we can't include you in our fun and games. Oh well - it's your loss.

If I have to communicate with a Japanese. I think I may communicate with him in written texts. You know there are many Chinese words in Japanese? I can read the approximate meaning of Japanese text. To communicate with a Korean, if he do not understand Chinese letters (some of them understand written Chinese), I think I have to learn a little Korean if necessary.

Actually, It doesn't matter what's the language we use. We only try to find a language we can communicate. Maybe written Chinese/Japanese, English or Japanese, Korean. Who knows?


Quantum wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 2:24pm: I am not bothered by most of people speaking English in Australia, but I am bothered by some racists like you forcing others to speak English. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 2:01pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:50pm: You don't want unity. You only want others follow you. I want unity. That's why I speak English to communicate with you and speak Chinese with the people who can understand. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:35pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:06pm: This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem. Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:50pm: If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D It becomes a big problem if every business and service in the country just speaks its own language. If everyone speaks the one language there is no problem. Why is this simple point too hard for you to grasp? You go on and on about not having a "separated society" yet you support and defend the very things that cause division. One language = one nation. 1000 different languages = a land full of tribes. People assimilating = one nation. People not assimilating = a land full of tribes. Typical lefty. Those who want unity get labelled racist, while those who want division believe they are supporters of unity :D    And what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them? The fact that you have learnt English so as to live in Australia is all the proof needed that you are full of Shlt. If you didn't actually believe Australia was an English speaking country you wouldn't have bothered. Your argument are some of the worse I have ever seen on this forum.    You didn't answer the question, but instead returned to the "you're racist" deflection. Again, what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them?

Esperanto!  That's the answer!    ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bowen wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 8:37am:

If I have to communicate with a Japanese. I think I may communicate with him in written texts. You know there are many Chinese words in Japanese? I can read the approximate meaning of Japanese text. To communicate with a Korean, if he do not understand Chinese letters (some of them understand written Chinese), I think I have to learn a little Korean if necessary. Actually, It doesn't matter what's the language we use. We only try to find a language we can communicate. Maybe written Chinese/Japanese, English or Japanese, Korean. Who knows? Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 2:38pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 2:24pm: I am not bothered by most of people speaking English in Australia, but I am bothered by some racists like you forcing others to speak English. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 2:01pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:50pm: You don't want unity. You only want others follow you. I want unity. That's why I speak English to communicate with you and speak Chinese with the people who can understand. Quantum wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:35pm: Bowen wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:06pm: This is reasonable. Same to me, I don't expect the staff of private company can speak Chinese. This is not a problem. Mnemonic wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:50pm: If I was hungry, walked into a restaurant in China hoping to be able to order a bowl of noodles and some prawn dumplings and nobody could speak English, I think there would be a big chance that I would starve. :D It becomes a big problem if every business and service in the country just speaks its own language. If everyone speaks the one language there is no problem. Why is this simple point too hard for you to grasp? You go on and on about not having a "separated society" yet you support and defend the very things that cause division. One language = one nation. 1000 different languages = a land full of tribes. People assimilating = one nation. People not assimilating = a land full of tribes. Typical lefty. Those who want unity get labelled racist, while those who want division believe they are supporters of unity :D    And what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them? The fact that you have learnt English so as to live in Australia is all the proof needed that you are full of Shlt. If you didn't actually believe Australia was an English speaking country you wouldn't have bothered. Your argument are some of the worse I have ever seen on this forum.    You didn't answer the question, but instead returned to the "you're racist" deflection. Again, what do you say to the Korean who doesn't know Chinese or English? How about the Jap? The Turk? The Spaniard? How do you show unity when you can't even talk to these other people because they don't know English and don't speak Chinese either? Have you taken it upon yourself to learn all their languages as well so as to show unity? Or do you just ignore them?

In other words, you have no answer to the problem that you want to create, you are just making it up as you go along. Of course, just having everyone speak English is too simple because "that's racist".

Obviously you don't believe in Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Expression.

People will choose the common tongue out of convenience,  If they don't then they cannot conduct commerce.  However, they should be allowed to speak what ever language they want amongst themselves, if they so choose.

You sound like the Turks who tried to ban Kurdish.  Now, how well did that attempt at monoculturalism work out again?   ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

Obviously you don't believe in Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Expression. People will choose the common tongue out of convenience,  If they don't then they cannot conduct commerce.  However, they should be allowed to speak what ever language they want amongst themselves, if they so choose. You sound like the Turks who tried to ban Kurdish.  Now, how well did that attempt at monoculturalism work out again?   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh and you only do when it comes to certain political groups and ethnicities.  You are a bigot and a hypocrite when it comes to other voices and other opinions, LW progs cannot stand dissent.

Grendel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:54pm: Obviously you don't believe in Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Expression. People will choose the common tongue out of convenience,  If they don't then they cannot conduct commerce.  However, they should be allowed to speak what ever language they want amongst themselves, if they so choose. You sound like the Turks who tried to ban Kurdish.  Now, how well did that attempt at monoculturalism work out again?   ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh and you only do when it comes to certain political groups and ethnicities.  You are a bigot and a hypocrite when it comes to other voices and other opinions, LW progs cannot stand dissent.

Nah, you're allowed to say what you like, when, where ever you like.  Of course it's all just the same old message of hatred, intolerance, bigotry, racism and Xenophobia, so it's not really worth listening to.  We've all heard it so much, so often, it all sorts of blurs after a while, now doesn't it?   You must be really worried now that people are turning off your message.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Race-hate common amongst non-whites?

Really? That's news?

It's common amongst all races. I'll agree that there's a heap of people out there who have fallen into the trap of thinking it's more of a problem amongst good ol' white folk, but that's usually down to them losing perspective and thinking of those minority races who do experience race hate here being somehow more "noble" (for lack of a better term) because they're the ones they see here as victims. What they're forgetting is that those who experience it here would very likely to be the same ones dishing it out back where they are in the majority.