$33 billion write down in 3 months.

Govenment has proposed:
1. FBT changes.  On review I think these are reasonable.  FBT is an entitlement for work benefits and personal use needs to have tax on it.  So, how do teachers, police, etc, those who tony wants to "end the hit" on use these lease vehicles for work?  You can't claim to and from work.  What Tavel for work is involve with these vehicles?  And if none then id rather government pay our police, teachers, etc, more than suggest they continue to make use of a tax loop hole.
Anyway... TONY OPPOSES FBT.

2. Bank levy.  TONY OPPOSES (at least by the sounds of his treasury idiot).

3. Sin tax.  Tony is even here electioneering!  I don't think I've seen a politican electioneer against rises to sin taxes.

Then there's:
1. Gonski he will keep.
2. His own proposed STOP THE BOATS measures
3. Private health rebate he will remove mean testing
4. Carbon tax he will cut but keep the revenue, and in place offer billions to deweed the country.
5. Mining tax he will scrap
6. Tax on $100,000+ super contributions he opposes
7. Proven underfunded paid parental leave.

So far, mr DEBT AND DEFICIT is opposed to all spending cuts proposed.

And what's he offered? $12 billion growth to GDP (not tax collection) by cutting red tape.

If we have a slowing economy and a structural problem to the budget then I'd prefer the party that offers some suggestion than the party that cries about the debt but offers no alternative and opposes all spending cuts.

How will tony return the budget to surplus?

Don't think you'll get too many replies, ale....

;)

get rid of the climate commission and useless cretins like Tim Flannery...

10 Billion Dollars right there...

Rudderless said before the 2007 election that the Public service was BLOATED and he was going to cut it down...

instead... he increased it by 20,000 people..

I guess a lot of them were employed to focus on spin and lies...

now he says again before this election that he's going to cut the Public service..

bugger me... how could anyone believe this compulsive Liar?

get rid of the carbon tax and make our businesses more competitive again.. = more Jobs and more tac revenue...

don't touch the FBT on cars ... the 80/20split is already fair enough and it encourages new car sales...

maybe do a 70/30 split on foreign cars to encourage sales on locally made cars...

the list goes on...

its not rocket surgery...  :o

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49pm:

10 Billion Dollars right there...

since he's only promised over $100 Billion worth of spending, you've got another $90 B to go ... and that without paying back any debt yet.

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49pm:

get rid of the climate commission and useless cretins like Tim Flannery... 10 Billion Dollars right there... Rudderless said before the 2007 election that the Public service was BLOATED and he was going to cut it down... instead... he increased it by 20,000 people.. I guess a lot of them were employed to focus on spin and lies... now he says again before this election that he's going to cut the Public service.. bugger me... how could anyone believe this compulsive Liar? get rid of the carbon tax and make our businesses more competitive again.. = more Jobs and more tac revenue... don't touch the FBT on cars ... the 80/20split is already fair enough and it encourages new car sales... maybe do a 70/30 split on foreign cars to encourage sales on locally made cars... the list goes on... its not rocket surgery...  :o

The governments best way to encourage new car sales is to ensure an equatable growing economy.  Not tax loop holes.

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:49pm: 10 Billion Dollars right there... since he's only promised over $100 Billion worth of spending, you've got another $90 B to go ... and that without paying back any debt yet.

do you really think that Labor are telling the truth about their new 3 Billion dollar a week black hole - over 30 Billion?

they are lying through their teeth... so how bad is it really when they admit this before the election?

so if it were me and when I got in.. id say..

oh the budget is a lot worse than we thought.. we'll have to make some cuts..

Public service bludgers.. minus 25,000
NDIS... it's already there they just renamed it and put a few more bucks into it
Gonski... already there... just a rebrand again and a few more bucks into it
NBN... shut it down as soon as you can... if there was "really" a need for it private business would have build it already...

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:57pm: True Blue... wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:49pm: 10 Billion Dollars right there... since he's only promised over $100 Billion worth of spending, you've got another $90 B to go ... and that without paying back any debt yet. do you really think that Labor are telling the truth about their new 3 Billion dollar a week black hole - over 30 Billion? they are lying through their teeth... so how bad is it really when they admit this before the election? so if it were me and when I got in.. id say.. oh the budget is a lot worse than we thought.. we'll have to make some cuts.. Public service bludgers.. NDIS... it's already there they just renamed it and put a few more bucks into it Gonski... already there... just a rebrand again and a few more bucks into it NBN... shut it down as soon as you can... if there was "really" a need for it private business would have build it already...

do you think the libs are telling the truth?

Politicians don't tell the truth .. none of them. I don't know why people still act surprised when they find out one has lied.

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:10pm:

do you think the libs are telling the truth?.

they haven't really said anything yet.. and it I were them I wouldn't until Rudderless called the election...
just sit back and let him hang himself...

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 9:10pm: do you think the libs are telling the truth?. they haven't really said anything yet.. and it I were them I wouldn't until Rudderless called the election... just sit back and let him hang himself...

they've said they'll bring us back to surplus sooner, they've said they are better economic managers, they've said they want to help the battlers ...

they've said plenty ... you just like to plug your ears and pretend all is rosy.

Last time Mr Abbott was in power he saved us money by denying Telstra the funds to remove tonnes of dangerous asbestos and ripping billions out of public health..so its obvious where he's gonna slash the budget  :D

Tony Abbott will simply complete the handover of humanity to private ownership and Anarcho Capitalism, whether we want to be privately owned autonomous Individuals or not....

Can the climate mob and stop the boats, there is 20 billion right there, Exit the UN, that would save another 3Billion.

There 23 Billion and I've just woken up, I'll have us billions in surplus within hours???

Lobo wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:47pm:

Don't think you'll get too many replies, ale.... ;)

HE CANT.   THIS ,LOT HAVE KILLED IT..

now we will watch as the whingers from the left expect him to save us .. OVER NIGHT

$33bn BLOW OUT IS ONLY ON THE BUDGET ITs GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BLOODY DEBT


boy you guys need to take those blinkers off

he is now into crash and burn mode..in the hope of saving some face.. a BIT LATE..

now we are up for goodness knows how much because of his INSANE BOAT PEOPLE POLICY.

if you guys are looking for a magic bullet I wouldnt bother if I was you..... this is all about money and how it is managed.. all we can hope and pray for is there is someone out there that will have a clue what to do and make it work..

no good complaining whats done is done..

I believe we need to work to get out of it.. rather than dig ourselves in deeper.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:58am:

Last time Mr Abbott was in power he saved us money by denying Telstra the funds to remove tonnes of dangerous asbestos and ripping billions out of public health..so its obvious where he's gonna slash the budget  :D

funnnnny I have no recall of Abbott ever being in POWER... are you sure it wasnt trillion  he ripped out ::) ::)

woof woof wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:07am:

Can the climate mob and stop the boats, there is 20 billion right there, Exit the UN, that would save another 3Billion. There 23 Billion and I've just woken up, I'll have us billions in surplus within hours???

Did you go to the Jethro Bodine school of ciphering

alevine

Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ?

What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread.

Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility.

Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ?

What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable.

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:33am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:58am: Last time Mr Abbott was in power he saved us money by denying Telstra the funds to remove tonnes of dangerous asbestos and ripping billions out of public health..so its obvious where he's gonna slash the budget  :D funnnnny I have no recall of Abbott ever being in POWER... are you sure it wasnt trillion  he ripped out ::) ::)

Its funny that these rabid ALP supporters both rewrite history and the future all at the same time.

Must be the main symptom of the Abbott Abbott Abbott disease.

I like their line they often use blaming Abbott for ALP failures for not supporting their stupid policies they seem to change weekly.

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:54am:

alevine Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ? What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread. Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility. Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ? What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable.

its in their DNA to waste and spend money we havent got.. aka PNG...

where have they spent our money??..

I am buggered if I can see where its all gone.. mining increased triple at least whilst they have been in power...so wheres it gone.. they didnt have any debt to pay off..

where it gone.. dont tell me computers cost that much?.

probably on kev the cons travel. >:(

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:57am:

cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:33am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:58am: Last time Mr Abbott was in power he saved us money by denying Telstra the funds to remove tonnes of dangerous asbestos and ripping billions out of public health..so its obvious where he's gonna slash the budget  :D funnnnny I have no recall of Abbott ever being in POWER... are you sure it wasnt trillion  he ripped out ::) ::) Its funny that these rabid ALP supporters both rewrite history and the future all at the same time. Must be the main symptom of the Abbott Abbott Abbott disease. I like their line they often use blaming Abbott for ALP failures for not supporting their stupid policies they seem to change weekly.

adel has gone off his rocker no doubt about that the stress of watching this lot.. has brain damaged him.....lets be fair it would do the same to us if we had elected them ;D

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:57am:

cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:33am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:58am: Last time Mr Abbott was in power he saved us money by denying Telstra the funds to remove tonnes of dangerous asbestos and ripping billions out of public health..so its obvious where he's gonna slash the budget  :D funnnnny I have no recall of Abbott ever being in POWER... are you sure it wasnt trillion  he ripped out ::) ::) Its funny that these rabid ALP supporters both rewrite history and the future all at the same time. Must be the main symptom of the Abbott Abbott Abbott disease. I like their line they often use blaming Abbott for ALP failures for not supporting their stupid policies they seem to change weekly.

Libs in denial - Australia would probably be a better place had Abbott never been a member of a federal coalition government. As much as you guys would like to deny that it ever happened, it did.

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:58am:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:54am: alevine Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ? What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread. Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility. Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ? What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable. its in their DNA to waste and spend money we havent got.. aka PNG... where have they spent our money??.. I am buggered if I can see where its all gone.. mining increased triple at least whilst they have been in power...so wheres it gone.. they didnt have any debt to pay off.. where it gone.. dont tell me computers cost that much?. probably on kev the cons travel.

its in their DNA to waste and spend money

The Howard government were probably the most wasteful government we ever had.

cods

What is really odd is that they have not politically gained anything with all the spending of our money they have yet to collect.

It looks like old school ALP bloated government attitude.

It then looked like panic politics when no one really bought into most of their stuff. The only one that polled ok was the NDIS.

Dnarever

Yes all that Howard waste caused all those Surpluses and the books to be balanced.

How will tony save the budget?

He is a trained surf life saver - he will use mouth to mouth.

Whoops sorry I thought you said budgie.

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:10am:

Dnarever Yes all that Howard waste caused all those Surpluses and the books to be balanced.

Yes and billions on illegal wars and bribes to third world dictators or bailing out his brothers failed company then setting up a structural deficit by giving away excessive election bribes in the form of unaffordable tax cuts.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:07am:

cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:58am: RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:54am: alevine Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ? What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread. Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility. Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ? What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable. its in their DNA to waste and spend money we havent got.. aka PNG... where have they spent our money??.. I am buggered if I can see where its all gone.. mining increased triple at least whilst they have been in power...so wheres it gone.. they didnt have any debt to pay off.. where it gone.. dont tell me computers cost that much?. probably on kev the cons travel. its in their DNA to waste and spend money The Howard government were probably the most wasteful government we ever had.

THEY PAID OFF A  F&*^%(*$%^(^%^&(*(

GREAT BIG DEBT.

AS WELL AS LEFT THESE MORONS A SURPLUS.


AS WELL AS SAVED THE EAST TIMORESE... AS WELL AS STOPPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS....


BUT THEY DID NOTHING... >:(


for you you mean :(

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:07am: cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:58am: RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:54am: alevine Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ? What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread. Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility. Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ? What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable. its in their DNA to waste and spend money we havent got.. aka PNG... where have they spent our money??.. I am buggered if I can see where its all gone.. mining increased triple at least whilst they have been in power...so wheres it gone.. they didnt have any debt to pay off.. where it gone.. dont tell me computers cost that much?. probably on kev the cons travel. its in their DNA to waste and spend money The Howard government were probably the most wasteful government we ever had. THEY PAID OFF A  F&*^%(*$%^(^%^&(*( GREAT BIG DEBT. AS WELL AS LEFT THESE MORONS A SURPLUS. AS WELL AS SAVED THE EAST TIMORESE... AS WELL AS STOPPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS.... BUT THEY DID NOTHING... >:( for you you mean :(

You'd notice it if we had joined the Western recession so just be thankful that Kevin Sept 07 SAVED our arses from the global economic meltdown coz its gonna be an ugly decade after Tony finally drags us into that recession.
You have been warned  :D

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:54am:

alevine Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ? What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread. Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility. Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ? What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable.

Rightsadfred, 

I think you are missing the point.

Does tony shout at the top of his lungs, "DEBT AND DEFICIT?"
The answer is yes, he does.  Therefore, reasonable human beings would expect tony to explain how he will not have DEBT AND DEFICIT.  It isn't about meeting labors surplus timeline; that just means he has performed exactly the same as those he thinks we're utterly horrible. No. For the man who tells ,DEBT AND DEFICIT, surely he must have a plan to remove this DEBT AND DEFICIT?

In fact, given he refuses to support and spending cut, and is now supporting governments spending, how is it even possible for him to get to surplus by 2016/17??

Question remains: what spending is tony going to cut? And how is he going to raise government revenue?

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:34am:

cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:07am: cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:58am: RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:54am: alevine Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ? What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread. Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility. Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ? What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable. its in their DNA to waste and spend money we havent got.. aka PNG... where have they spent our money??.. I am buggered if I can see where its all gone.. mining increased triple at least whilst they have been in power...so wheres it gone.. they didnt have any debt to pay off.. where it gone.. dont tell me computers cost that much?. probably on kev the cons travel. its in their DNA to waste and spend money The Howard government were probably the most wasteful government we ever had. THEY PAID OFF A  F&*^%(*$%^(^%^&(*( GREAT BIG DEBT. AS WELL AS LEFT THESE MORONS A SURPLUS. AS WELL AS SAVED THE EAST TIMORESE... AS WELL AS STOPPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS.... BUT THEY DID NOTHING... >:( for you you mean :( You'd notice it if we had joined the Western recession so just be thankful that Kevin Sept 07 SAVED our arses from the global economic meltdown coz its gonna be an ugly decade after Tony finally drags us into that recession. You have been warned  :D

I hate to tell you this.. but we were never in danger of the GFC   have you forgotten CHIONA already silly boy..

he spent like a fool and started the rot.. then he opened the flood gates to In donesia so they could dump the misery on us...and since then its been one long downhill to DEBT...

stop blaming everything and everyone else...


boy I am warning you you are going to cop one blame game after another if Tone gets in...

you have not a leg to stand on I have never heard of any govt making so many stuff ups and blaming everyone else for them as this one.. and you guys are the same...


I agree we are in for a torrid time... and we have nothing to back us up.. industry has almost gone mining is and has been slowing for ages...and now on top of that a MASSIVE B LOWOUT ON THE BUDGET AND A HUGE DEBT.. >:( >:(

you are dead right... but dont blame the LIBS...we had nothing to do with it for 6 years..REMEMBER that if you can. ;D ;D

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:18am:

I hate to tell you this.. but we were never in danger of the GFC   have you forgotten CHIONA already silly boy.. he spent like a fool and started the rot.. then he opened the flood gates to In donesia so they could dump the misery on us...and since then its been one long downhill to DEBT... s

Cods, firstly I'd appreciate it if you stayed away from your racist "dump the misery on us." No one is dumping any misery on us. Asylum Seekers are allowed to seek asylum, and it isn't DUMPING MISERY ON US for PEOPLE (HUMAN BEINGs, CODS, HUMAN BEINGS) to be granted refugee status.

Secondly, you'll remember that the COALITION ALSO HAD A PLAN FOR DEBT AND DEFICIT during the GFC.  So they OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T THINK NO ONE WAS IN TROUBLE, CHINA WILL SAVE US.  THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO THE EXACT SAME THINGS BAR 20$ odd billion. WOW, the DEBT AND DEFICIT WOULD BE 20$B less. AND YET IT WOULD STILL BE A DEBT AND A DEFICIT.

So get your points straight, and lose the racism and dehumanizing commentary.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:25am:

cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:18am: I hate to tell you this.. but we were never in danger of the GFC   have you forgotten CHIONA already silly boy.. he spent like a fool and started the rot.. then he opened the flood gates to In donesia so they could dump the misery on us...and since then its been one long downhill to DEBT... s Cods, firstly I'd appreciate it if you stayed away from your racist "dump the misery on us." No one is dumping any misery on us. Asylum Seekers are allowed to seek asylum, and it isn't DUMPING MISERY ON US for PEOPLE (HUMAN BEINGs, CODS, HUMAN BEINGS) to be granted refugee status. Secondly, you'll remember that the COALITION ALSO HAD A PLAN FOR DEBT AND DEFICIT during the GFC.  So they OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T THINK NO ONE WAS IN TROUBLE, CHINA WILL SAVE US.  THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO THE EXACT SAME THINGS BAR 20$ odd billion. WOW, the DEBT AND DEFICIT WOULD BE 20$B less. AND YET IT WOULD STILL BE A DEBT AND A DEFICIT. So get your points straight, and lose the racism and dehumanizing commentary.

SHUT UP HYPOCRITE after what you have sat back and watched go on  for the past 6 years you have not a word to say...

you are the b iggest bunch of HYPOCRITES that ever was.. not a word about these people for 6 years now all of a sudden they are dying at sea..so its time to dump them on one of the poorest nations in the region.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

AND WHAT HAVE YOU SAID.??????..

THATS RIGHT BUGGER ALL..

dont tell me what I can and cant say after what we have seen you do and say..for the past 6 years.... >:( >:(


and stop talking bloody HYPOTHETICALS>>>

they dont count they dont matter...


I just hope and pray that should the Libs have been in when the GFC struck we would have a damn sight more to show for the DEBT we are in.

you see it isnt the debt thats the biggest problem...

its what have or in this case havent got to show for it..


at least if you buy a house worth $500.000.. even if you have to sell it its worhth $500.000..


what have we got to sell???? >:(

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:07am: its in their DNA to waste and spend money The Howard government were probably the most wasteful government we ever had. THEY PAID OFF A  F&*^%(*$%^(^%^&(*( GREAT BIG DEBT. AS WELL AS LEFT THESE MORONS A SURPLUS. AS WELL AS SAVED THE EAST TIMORESE... AS WELL AS STOPPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS.... BUT THEY DID NOTHING... for you you mean

THEY PAID OFF A  F&*^%(*$%^(^%^&(*(

GREAT BIG DEBT.

AS WELL AS LEFT THESE MORONS A SURPLUS.

At a time when the world economy was throwing money at them

BUT THEY DID NOTHING

I have never said that.

for you you mean

I benefited from most if not all of their unaffordable giveaways.  It was the poor, unemployed, low paid workers, pensioners and unmarried mothers who missed out in the empty beers.

Cods
Quote:

SHUT UP HYPOCRITE after what you have sat back and watched go on  for the past 6 years you have not a word to say... you are the b iggest bunch of HYPOCRITES that ever was.. not a word about these people for 6 years now all of a sudden they are dying at sea..so its time to dump them on one of the poorest nations in the region

You think that Nauru isn't one of the poorest nations in the region???? You are whinging about the same thing which Howards solution was taking advantage of.

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I just hope and pray that should the Libs have been in when the GFC struck we would have a damn sight more to show for the DEBT we are in. you see it isnt the debt thats the biggest problem... its what have or in this case havent got to show for it..

The economic modelling at the time was saying that the Liberals plan was insufficient to keep us out of recession ???

Very little of the debt is due to that spending and that which was got good value, kept employment high, kept the economy out of recession and provided much needed infrastructure., it was win win win.

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:18am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:34am: cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:29am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:07am: cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:58am: RightSadFred wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:54am: alevine Why is it always the job of the libs to fix the messes that the ALP leave lying around ? What you are missing is that assuming Abbott wins he will be given at least a 1 term free pass which is roughly when the fantasy land ALP surplus is predicted so I really don't see the point of this thread. Its in the ALP's DNA to spend ...... actually overspend and its not in their DNA to even be close to budgetary honesty or credibility. Its the ALP that is the problem, how did such a moron like swan get the job of treasurer ? What we don't need is another term of reckless spend and politicised budgets, before you jump on this broad big overspending programmes you need to first balance the books ........ then look at these big ideas ..... even if they had credibility which is very debateable. its in their DNA to waste and spend money we havent got.. aka PNG... where have they spent our money??.. I am buggered if I can see where its all gone.. mining increased triple at least whilst they have been in power...so wheres it gone.. they didnt have any debt to pay off.. where it gone.. dont tell me computers cost that much?. probably on kev the cons travel. its in their DNA to waste and spend money The Howard government were probably the most wasteful government we ever had. THEY PAID OFF A  F&*^%(*$%^(^%^&(*( GREAT BIG DEBT. AS WELL AS LEFT THESE MORONS A SURPLUS. AS WELL AS SAVED THE EAST TIMORESE... AS WELL AS STOPPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS.... BUT THEY DID NOTHING... >:( for you you mean :( You'd notice it if we had joined the Western recession so just be thankful that Kevin Sept 07 SAVED our arses from the global economic meltdown coz its gonna be an ugly decade after Tony finally drags us into that recession. You have been warned  :D I hate to tell you this.. but we were never in danger of the GFC   have you forgotten CHIONA already silly boy.. he spent like a fool and started the rot.. then he opened the flood gates to In donesia so they could dump the misery on us...and since then its been one long downhill to DEBT... stop blaming everything and everyone else... boy I am warning you you are going to cop one blame game after another if Tone gets in... you have not a leg to stand on I have never heard of any govt making so many stuff ups and blaming everyone else for them as this one.. and you guys are the same... I agree we are in for a torrid time... and we have nothing to back us up.. industry has almost gone mining is and has been slowing for ages...and now on top of that a MASSIVE B LOWOUT ON THE BUDGET AND A HUGE DEBT.. >:( >:( you are dead right... but dont blame the LIBS...we had nothing to do with it for 6 years..REMEMBER that if you can. ;D ;D

I would suggest this is all part of the same process, which is rather loosely referred to as the GFC and yes, we are most certainly caught up in that process!

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:41am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:25am: cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:18am: I hate to tell you this.. but we were never in danger of the GFC   have you forgotten CHIONA already silly boy.. he spent like a fool and started the rot.. then he opened the flood gates to In donesia so they could dump the misery on us...and since then its been one long downhill to DEBT... s Cods, firstly I'd appreciate it if you stayed away from your racist "dump the misery on us." No one is dumping any misery on us. Asylum Seekers are allowed to seek asylum, and it isn't DUMPING MISERY ON US for PEOPLE (HUMAN BEINGs, CODS, HUMAN BEINGS) to be granted refugee status. Secondly, you'll remember that the COALITION ALSO HAD A PLAN FOR DEBT AND DEFICIT during the GFC.  So they OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T THINK NO ONE WAS IN TROUBLE, CHINA WILL SAVE US.  THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO THE EXACT SAME THINGS BAR 20$ odd billion. WOW, the DEBT AND DEFICIT WOULD BE 20$B less. AND YET IT WOULD STILL BE A DEBT AND A DEFICIT. So get your points straight, and lose the racism and dehumanizing commentary. SHUT UP HYPOCRITE after what you have sat back and watched go on  for the past 6 years you have not a word to say... you are the b iggest bunch of HYPOCRITES that ever was.. not a word about these people for 6 years now all of a sudden they are dying at sea..so its time to dump them on one of the poorest nations in the region.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( AND WHAT HAVE YOU SAID.??????.. THATS RIGHT BUGGER ALL.. dont tell me what I can and cant say after what we have seen you do and say..for the past 6 years.... >:( >:( and stop talking bloody HYPOTHETICALS>>> they dont count they dont matter... I just hope and pray that should the Libs have been in when the GFC struck we would have a damn sight more to show for the DEBT we are in. you see it isnt the debt thats the biggest problem... its what have or in this case havent got to show for it.. at least if you buy a house worth $500.000.. even if you have to sell it its worhth $500.000.. what have we got to sell???? >:(

cods, I fail to see how I am being hypocritical. Perhaps you can elaborate a bit further.

As for what we have to sell? We have to sell that during the GFC when all of Europe, North America went into recession we continued to grow. And I think that's a immense effort, both thanks to the government and the private sector.  And the funny thing is, had the coalition been in power, they would've spent the same money. It isn't a hypothetical - they are on the record of saying they agreed with the debt and deficit at the time. It's all just become political games now, which is why tony likes to yell DEBT AND DEFICIT. But my point remains: for the man who yells so much about it, why has he not been able to explain how he'll rid us of it?  Stay on topic cods, how will your man lead us to surplus?

Does the Budget need saving?

I thought you leftards are happy with 6 consecutive deficits

I thought you leftards are happy with the $300B debt

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Does the Budget need saving? I thought you leftards are happy with 6 consecutive deficits I thought you leftards are happy with the $300B debt

Tony isnt.  So. How will he fix it?

Stop beating around the bush. If you can't answer, don't post.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 2:17pm:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 2:01pm: Does the Budget need saving? I thought you leftards are happy with 6 consecutive deficits I thought you leftards are happy with the $300B debt Tony isnt.  So. How will he fix it? Stop beating around the bush. If you can't answer, don't post.

You won't vote for the LIBs so why would you be interested in what he does

I will vote for Rudd so I am entitle to ask the difficult questions

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 2:17pm: Maqqa wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 2:01pm: Does the Budget need saving? I thought you leftards are happy with 6 consecutive deficits I thought you leftards are happy with the $300B debt Tony isnt.  So. How will he fix it? Stop beating around the bush. If you can't answer, don't post. You won't vote for the LIBs so why would you be interested in what he does I will vote for Rudd so I am entitle to ask the difficult questions

In other words you have no idea.  Just like Tony.

Okay.

In other words - you are not going to vote for him therefore convincing you is a waste of time

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:02pm:

In other words - you are not going to vote for him therefore convincing you is a waste of time

It's the game that they play, Maqqa. We know that inrrespective of anything, they would never ever vote for the Coalition, so it would all fall on deaf ears anyway.

matty wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:06pm:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:02pm: In other words - you are not going to vote for him therefore convincing you is a waste of time It's the game that they play, Maqqa. We know that inrrespective of anything, they would never ever vote for the Coalition, so it would all fall on deaf ears anyway.

So Tony isn't telling the Australian people because it would fall on deaf ears?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:14pm:

matty wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:06pm: Maqqa wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:02pm: In other words - you are not going to vote for him therefore convincing you is a waste of time It's the game that they play, Maqqa. We know that inrrespective of anything, they would never ever vote for the Coalition, so it would all fall on deaf ears anyway. So Tony isn't telling the Australian people because it would fall on deaf ears?

You wish

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:14pm: matty wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:06pm: Maqqa wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:02pm: In other words - you are not going to vote for him therefore convincing you is a waste of time It's the game that they play, Maqqa. We know that inrrespective of anything, they would never ever vote for the Coalition, so it would all fall on deaf ears anyway. So Tony isn't telling the Australian people because it would fall on deaf ears? You wish

But then why not explain how he is going to stop the DEBT AND DEFICIT?

Your argument is very circular and frankly very childish.  Surely if tony had a plan to END THE WASTE you and others would be going crazy explaining it. 

Leftards thinks deficits and debts are good - so why should we explain otherwise?

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Leftards thinks deficits and debts are good - so why should we explain otherwise?

What a stupid argument.  Let's say that's true. Tony is not a leftard. So, he thinks it's bad. Then explain how he plans to END THE WASTE

Quote:

How will tony save the budget?

He won't.

He wants to win an election at any cost and he doesn't give a rats about a surplus.

His committed spending promises guarantee that he would need more than a decade to deliver a surplus unless he breaks all his commitments.

Or you can listen to Woof with his degree from the Jethro Bodine school of ciphering and claim that he can save $80 Billion by cutting back on parliament house tooth picks or some other ridiculous over estimation..

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Leftards thinks deficits and debts are good - so why should we explain otherwise?

C'mon, maqqa....

Pander to us.

See if you can explain something, ANYTHING, in a clear, concise and correct (no maqqanomics) manner.

:)

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Leftards thinks deficits and debts are good - so why should we explain otherwise?

Same old, usual Maqqa, ALL SPIN & NO SUBSTANCE!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:28pm:

$33 billion write down in 3 months. Govenment has proposed: 1. FBT changes.  On review I think these are reasonable.  FBT is an entitlement for work benefits and personal use needs to have tax on it.  So, how do teachers, police, etc, those who tony wants to "end the hit" on use these lease vehicles for work?  You can't claim to and from work.  What Tavel for work is involve with these vehicles?  And if none then id rather government pay our police, teachers, etc, more than suggest they continue to make use of a tax loop hole. Anyway... TONY OPPOSES FBT. 2. Bank levy.  TONY OPPOSES (at least by the sounds of his treasury idiot). 3. Sin tax.  Tony is even here electioneering!  I don't think I've seen a politican electioneer against rises to sin taxes. Then there's: 1. Gonski he will keep. 2. His own proposed STOP THE BOATS measures 3. Private health rebate he will remove mean testing 4. Carbon tax he will cut but keep the revenue, and in place offer billions to deweed the country. 5. Mining tax he will scrap 6. Tax on $100,000+ super contributions he opposes 7. Proven underfunded paid parental leave. So far, mr DEBT AND DEFICIT is opposed to all spending cuts proposed. And what's he offered? $12 billion growth to GDP (not tax collection) by cutting red tape. If we have a slowing economy and a structural problem to the budget then I'd prefer the party that offers some suggestion than the party that cries about the debt but offers no alternative and opposes all spending cuts. How will tony return the budget to surplus?

well if you are so friggin' smart why not tell Abbott AND Rudd how to do it.  Or are you so smug and stupid at the same time to not notice that the budget is in freefall under Labor??  It is in fact so bad and getting worse so fast that it is difficult to imagine Abbott doing worse.  Rudd has NO IDEA what he is doing and never did.  Swan was a well-meaning but useless buffoon.

But you dnnt have any ideas, do you - just allegiances.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:39pm: Leftards thinks deficits and debts are good - so why should we explain otherwise? What a stupid argument.  Let's say that's true. Tony is not a leftard. So, he thinks it's bad. Then explain how he plans to END THE WASTE

Stop borrowing money from China etc and spending it like there's no tomorrow...like Rudd/Gillard Labor have done.
...to start with!

ALL the debt and deficits aree Rudd's, Gillard's and their cronies' fault.

Howard and Costello left them a credit bank balance and a budget surplus.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Quote: I just hope and pray that should the Libs have been in when the GFC struck we would have a damn sight more to show for the DEBT we are in. you see it isnt the debt thats the biggest problem... its what have or in this case havent got to show for it.. The economic modelling at the time was saying that the Liberals plan was insufficient to keep us out of recession ??? Very little of the debt is due to that spending and that which was got good value, kept employment high, kept the economy out of recession and provided much needed infrastructure., it was win win win.

was that modelling done by Treasury?  (HINT: it was)  Now tell me again with a straight face what the changes are of that modelling being any closer than a mile off. 

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:20pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 9:12pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 9:10pm: do you think the libs are telling the truth?. they haven't really said anything yet.. and it I were them I wouldn't until Rudderless called the election... just sit back and let him hang himself... they've said they'll bring us back to surplus sooner, they've said they are better economic managers, they've said they want to help the battlers ... they've said plenty ... you just like to plug your ears and pretend all is rosy.

well lets look at this then...

the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus...

RUDD/GILLARDS TRACK RECORD shows that they ar incapable of delivering a budget surplus ever... ever ever...

that means NEVER...

the greens and other fringe dwellers are in lala land... no one in their right mind would vote for them...

being a realist... looking at the current disaster.. there's only one LOGICAL decision to make in regards to your next vote..

and that is to vote LIBERAL...

a lot of people voted against John Howard just because they thought he'd been there long enough...

say what?  :o

its those types of Political imbeciles that have gotten us into 300 Billion Dollars in DEBT and are unaware what they have done.....  they are even prepared to vote Labor again... like that nincompoop Greenie...  >:(

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Quote: How will tony save the budget? He won't. He wants to win an election at any cost and he doesn't give a rats about a surplus. His committed spending promises guarantee that he would need more than a decade to deliver a surplus unless he breaks all his commitments. Or you can listen to Woof with his degree from the Jethro Bodine school of ciphering and claim that he can save $80 Billion by cutting back on parliament house tooth picks or some other ridiculous over estimation..

it is quite amusing to read that...  Im sure you don't get the irony in what you type.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:33pm: Quote: How will tony save the budget? He won't. He wants to win an election at any cost and he doesn't give a rats about a surplus. His committed spending promises guarantee that he would need more than a decade to deliver a surplus unless he breaks all his commitments. Or you can listen to Woof with his degree from the Jethro Bodine school of ciphering and claim that he can save $80 Billion by cutting back on parliament house tooth picks or some other ridiculous over estimation.. it is quite amusing to read that...  Im sure you don't get the irony in what you type.

I have long learned lefties prefer lies... its that simple.. look at gillards greatest lie.. would dna have it was a lie.. not on your nelly..he has even had the hide to blame Howard... for leaving a surplus because it all put more pressure on kev the con..


and now the lovely kev wouldnt be sneaky and  do nasty things to gillard because he wants to be the big cheese and win an election....


nup he wouldnt do that got far too much INTEGRITY for that


so there!


shoot  its all getting so childish..

whatever they say about Tone  we have so many comebacks...  :-[ :-[

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 6:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:28pm: $33 billion write down in 3 months. Govenment has proposed: 1. FBT changes.  On review I think these are reasonable.  FBT is an entitlement for work benefits and personal use needs to have tax on it.  So, how do teachers, police, etc, those who tony wants to "end the hit" on use these lease vehicles for work?  You can't claim to and from work.  What Tavel for work is involve with these vehicles?  And if none then id rather government pay our police, teachers, etc, more than suggest they continue to make use of a tax loop hole. Anyway... TONY OPPOSES FBT. 2. Bank levy.  TONY OPPOSES (at least by the sounds of his treasury idiot). 3. Sin tax.  Tony is even here electioneering!  I don't think I've seen a politican electioneer against rises to sin taxes. Then there's: 1. Gonski he will keep. 2. His own proposed STOP THE BOATS measures 3. Private health rebate he will remove mean testing 4. Carbon tax he will cut but keep the revenue, and in place offer billions to deweed the country. 5. Mining tax he will scrap 6. Tax on $100,000+ super contributions he opposes 7. Proven underfunded paid parental leave. So far, mr DEBT AND DEFICIT is opposed to all spending cuts proposed. And what's he offered? $12 billion growth to GDP (not tax collection) by cutting red tape. If we have a slowing economy and a structural problem to the budget then I'd prefer the party that offers some suggestion than the party that cries about the debt but offers no alternative and opposes all spending cuts. How will tony return the budget to surplus? well if you are so friggin' smart why not tell Abbott AND Rudd how to do it.  Or are you so smug and stupid at the same time to not notice that the budget is in freefall under Labor??  It is in fact so bad and getting worse so fast that it is difficult to imagine Abbott doing worse.  Rudd has NO IDEA what he is doing and never did.  Swan was a well-meaning but useless buffoon. But you dnnt have any ideas, do you - just allegiances.

Fairly sure in a previous post you told me it was really easy with the current spending of the Labor Government, and that Abbott needs to only cut spending by 50% and raise revenue by 70%. I asked you how he intended to do it. You offered no reply.  Why? 

True Blue... wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:49pm:

the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus...

really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:33pm: Quote: How will tony save the budget? He won't. He wants to win an election at any cost and he doesn't give a rats about a surplus. His committed spending promises guarantee that he would need more than a decade to deliver a surplus unless he breaks all his commitments. Or you can listen to Woof with his degree from the Jethro Bodine school of ciphering and claim that he can save $80 Billion by cutting back on parliament house tooth picks or some other ridiculous over estimation.. it is quite amusing to read that...  Im sure you don't get the irony in what you type.

You don't seem to get the irony either of having over $100 Billion of unfunded new spending and claiming to get to a surplus at the same time. Seems that he is going in two diametrically opposed directions at the same time.

He is claiming that he can increase debt and reduce debt at the same time. It would take quite a fool to swallow it.

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:19pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm: the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus... really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong.

are you talking about state of federal politics?

you are all over the place like a mad womans crap...  :o

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 8:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:45pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:28pm: $33 billion write down in 3 months. Govenment has proposed: 1. FBT changes.  On review I think these are reasonable.  FBT is an entitlement for work benefits and personal use needs to have tax on it.  So, how do teachers, police, etc, those who tony wants to "end the hit" on use these lease vehicles for work?  You can't claim to and from work.  What Tavel for work is involve with these vehicles?  And if none then id rather government pay our police, teachers, etc, more than suggest they continue to make use of a tax loop hole. Anyway... TONY OPPOSES FBT. 2. Bank levy.  TONY OPPOSES (at least by the sounds of his treasury idiot). 3. Sin tax.  Tony is even here electioneering!  I don't think I've seen a politican electioneer against rises to sin taxes. Then there's: 1. Gonski he will keep. 2. His own proposed STOP THE BOATS measures 3. Private health rebate he will remove mean testing 4. Carbon tax he will cut but keep the revenue, and in place offer billions to deweed the country. 5. Mining tax he will scrap 6. Tax on $100,000+ super contributions he opposes 7. Proven underfunded paid parental leave. So far, mr DEBT AND DEFICIT is opposed to all spending cuts proposed. And what's he offered? $12 billion growth to GDP (not tax collection) by cutting red tape. If we have a slowing economy and a structural problem to the budget then I'd prefer the party that offers some suggestion than the party that cries about the debt but offers no alternative and opposes all spending cuts. How will tony return the budget to surplus? well if you are so friggin' smart why not tell Abbott AND Rudd how to do it.  Or are you so smug and stupid at the same time to not notice that the budget is in freefall under Labor??  It is in fact so bad and getting worse so fast that it is difficult to imagine Abbott doing worse.  Rudd has NO IDEA what he is doing and never did.  Swan was a well-meaning but useless buffoon. But you dnnt have any ideas, do you - just allegiances. Fairly sure in a previous post you told me it was really easy with the current spending of the Labor Government, and that Abbott needs to only cut spending by 50% and raise revenue by 70%. I asked you how he intended to do it. You offered no reply.  Why?

probably because I didn't say it.  That could be your first clue.

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:19pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm: the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus... really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong.

not overnight you twit.  Do you think QLD's $80B debt is going to be paid off in a year???

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:19pm: True Blue... wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm: the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus... really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong. not overnight you twit.  Do you think QLD's $80B debt is going to be paid off in a year???

And you think the states major city flooding twice in 5 years is going to cost nothing ?

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 12:08am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 12:00am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:19pm: True Blue... wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm: the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus... really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong. not overnight you twit.  Do you think QLD's $80B debt is going to be paid off in a year??? And you thing the states major city flooding twice in 5 years is going to cost nothing ?

QLDs debt has been building up for years... they only have themselves to blame for the floods as they never prepared and even built in flood prone areas...

but that's STATE government which has nothing to do with the Federal campaign...

why even bring it up>?  ::)

but truth be known.... State Labor have left debt in their wake in nearly every state and now the Libs have to try and pay it back...

this is why they say that DEBT is in Labors DNA...

it doesn't matter whether its state of federal LABOR ALWAYS leaves us in DEBT when they are finally booted out...

so im unsure why anyone would ever vote for them again... puzzling..  :-/

Quote:

so im unsure why anyone would ever vote for them again... puzzling..  Undecided

Never underestimate the party of the people as labor party likes to call itself, they are crap at governing, but campaigning is a different story, they are better in that.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:19pm: True Blue... wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm: the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus... really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong. not overnight you twit.  Do you think QLD's $80B debt is going to be paid off in a year???

Ok, What about WA's debt? .... opps, there was none. If Qld really had an $80B debt, he could have had anyone audit the books for him ... the only reason he got Costello was because he needed someone who would lie for him. Thousands of qualified and competent auditors, and he chose Costello .... keep burying your head Longy

stryder wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:55am:

Quote: so im unsure why anyone would ever vote for them again... puzzling..  Undecided Never underestimate the party of the people as labor party likes to call itself, they are crap at governing, but campaigning is a different story, they are better in that.

they are crap at governing, but campaigning is a different story, they are better in that

You can say that with a straight keyboard after the Howard government - amazing.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:19pm: True Blue... wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm: the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus... really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong. not overnight you twit.  Do you think QLD's $80B debt is going to be paid off in a year???

If Labor incurred the debt - leftards thinks the debt does not exist

If LIBs incur a small debt - leftards convince themselves to falsely multiply by 10

True Blue... wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:49pm:

the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus...

Actually the track record really shows that only one Liberal government ever produced a surplus and that over 90% of them don't even go close.

The prospective Liberal government we are currently looking at shows all the signs of having no hope with extravagant spending locked in and a senior economic team which looks better suited to stand up fiscal comedy.

Maqqa wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 12:00am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:19pm: True Blue... wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm: the TRACK RECORD shows that a Liberal Government can deliver a surplus... really? maybe you'd better tell the bean counters in Qld, NSW, WA and Vict.  that they got it wrong. not overnight you twit.  Do you think QLD's $80B debt is going to be paid off in a year??? If Labor incurred the debt - leftards thinks the debt does not exist If LIBs incur a small debt - leftards convince themselves to falsely multiply by 10

Does that try to explain how the last Howard surplus got from $14 B up to $30B or higher retrospectively ????

I think you will find some exaggeration from some individuals on all sides.

How will tony save the budget?

He could stand down as leader ??? That might work.

you know righties I think we have been barking up the wrong tree for the past 6 years.. judging by the remarks from our lefty economic expurts on here...

we are flying high...the economy is going great can only get better because Howard destroyed it and took all incentives away from everyone and this lot have turned it all around and we are doing fantastic....

so how about we shut up.. we created an economic disaster and handed over a country in an appalling state of affairs. shame libs shame...


I have no idea what Bowen and kev the con are talking about with their long faces...

must be because they have so much money they dont know what to spend it on...

kevs on his way to church I am surprised his worshippers are on here and not following in his footsteps.. he has the POWER after all..

I wonder if kev will pray for a date???..I am sure he is waiting for a sign arent you?? :D :D

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

How will tony save the budget? He could stand down as leader ??? That might work.

and you think so dont you.. changing leaders is what its all about.. isnt it?..


lololololololololol

they think changing heads makes it work... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL

cods wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

you know righties I think we have been barking up the wrong tree for the past 6 years.. judging by the remarks from our lefty economic expurts on here... we are flying high...the economy is going great can only get better because Howard destroyed it and took all incentives away from everyone and this lot have turned it all around and we are doing fantastic.... so how about we shut up.. we created an economic disaster and handed over a country in an appalling state of affairs. shame libs shame... I have no idea what Bowen and kev the con are talking about with their long faces... must be because they have so much money they dont know what to spend it on... kevs on his way to church I am surprised his worshippers are on here and not following in his footsteps.. he has the POWER after all.. I wonder if kev will pray for a date???..I am sure he is waiting for a sign arent you??

???..I am sure he is waiting for a sign arent you??

Tony has a sign he is trying to sell ????

Do you think that Ditch the witch would do the job??? Or go for the Bob Browns Bitch ???

Maybe he could try "Murdock's mongrel Lap dog".

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:45pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:28pm: $33 billion write down in 3 months. Govenment has proposed: 1. FBT changes.  On review I think these are reasonable.  FBT is an entitlement for work benefits and personal use needs to have tax on it.  So, how do teachers, police, etc, those who tony wants to "end the hit" on use these lease vehicles for work?  You can't claim to and from work.  What Tavel for work is involve with these vehicles?  And if none then id rather government pay our police, teachers, etc, more than suggest they continue to make use of a tax loop hole. Anyway... TONY OPPOSES FBT. 2. Bank levy.  TONY OPPOSES (at least by the sounds of his treasury idiot). 3. Sin tax.  Tony is even here electioneering!  I don't think I've seen a politican electioneer against rises to sin taxes. Then there's: 1. Gonski he will keep. 2. His own proposed STOP THE BOATS measures 3. Private health rebate he will remove mean testing 4. Carbon tax he will cut but keep the revenue, and in place offer billions to deweed the country. 5. Mining tax he will scrap 6. Tax on $100,000+ super contributions he opposes 7. Proven underfunded paid parental leave. So far, mr DEBT AND DEFICIT is opposed to all spending cuts proposed. And what's he offered? $12 billion growth to GDP (not tax collection) by cutting red tape. If we have a slowing economy and a structural problem to the budget then I'd prefer the party that offers some suggestion than the party that cries about the debt but offers no alternative and opposes all spending cuts. How will tony return the budget to surplus? well if you are so friggin' smart why not tell Abbott AND Rudd how to do it.  Or are you so smug and stupid at the same time to not notice that the budget is in freefall under Labor??  It is in fact so bad and getting worse so fast that it is difficult to imagine Abbott doing worse.  Rudd has NO IDEA what he is doing and never did.  Swan was a well-meaning but useless buffoon. But you dnnt have any ideas, do you - just allegiances. Fairly sure in a previous post you told me it was really easy with the current spending of the Labor Government, and that Abbott needs to only cut spending by 50% and raise revenue by 70%. I asked you how he intended to do it. You offered no reply.  Why?  probably because I didn't say it.  That could be your first clue.

What will tony cut?

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

How will tony save the budget? He could stand down as leader ??? That might work.

Settle down...

:D :D

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cods wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

you know righties I think we have been barking up the wrong tree for the past 6 years.. judging by the remarks from our lefty economic expurts on here... we are flying high...the economy is going great can only get better because Howard destroyed it and took all incentives away from everyone and this lot have turned it all around and we are doing fantastic.... so how about we shut up.. we created an economic disaster and handed over a country in an appalling state of affairs. shame libs shame... I have no idea what Bowen and kev the con are talking about with their long faces... must be because they have so much money they dont know what to spend it on... kevs on his way to church I am surprised his worshippers are on here and not following in his footsteps.. he has the POWER after all.. I wonder if kev will pray for a date???..I am sure he is waiting for a sign arent you?? :D :D

Perhaps you can explain how tony will balance the budget rather than be sarcastic?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

probably because I didn't say it.  That could be your first clue.

What will tony cut? [/quote]

Start at "A" and keep going till you reach about $120 Billion but step over items which do not impact the poor, workers and pensioners or take money from the wealthy.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:28pm:

How will tony return the budget to surplus?

By selling off the Bollinger Bolsheviks to China, along with coal and iron ore.
We have massive deposits of all three resources.