Parents worried about Abbott plan to make public schools go independent.      :(

Date
    August 2, 2013


Manager of opposition business Christopher Pyne says the Coalition will not put forward a no-confidence motion in the government despite earlier vows to do so.



A push by a federal Coalition government to turn public schools into independent schools could impose a heavy burden on staff and parents and lead to a "two-tiered" government system, according to an alliance of parent groups in NSW.      :(

The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils have written a joint letter to federal Coalition MPs seeking urgent detail on one of their key education policies – to "encourage state schools to choose to become independent schools".

Opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne has said he would like to see other states pursue a model similar to that in Western Australia, where the government has created a category called "independent public schools".

In WA, schools can apply to become an IPS, giving them autonomy over budgets and staffing and more discretion over the curriculum. They are managed partly by a school board, remain publicly funded and cannot charge compulsory fees.


The parents' alliance raised concerns about the impact of any such change.

"School principals were appointed for their educational leadership, not for business management skills. They need to stay focused on ensuring great educational outcomes for the students, not be distracted by additional administrative burdens," the letter says.

Acting president of the Northern Sydney Council of P&Cs, Steph Croft, said some schools might struggle to find parents and community members who had the spare time and the appropriate management skills to sit on school boards.

"Even in communities with very highly skilled people, it's very, very hard," she said.

The letter also raised concerns about why the Coalition would pursue a model similar to that of US charter schools, given that the US does not perform well on education rankings by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, and that Finland performs much better.

"One of the world benchmarks for educational excellence is Finland ... the Finns do not have private schools nor segregated selective schools – nor do they have charter or independent schools," the letter says.

"Rather than let one section of education fall behind because of a lack of funding or attention, the Finns lift the education of all students."

The letter queries what safeguards could be used to stop a "two-tiered" system developing between public schools that were independent and those that weren't.

In a written response Mr Pyne told Fairfax Media the Coalition would not pursue a "one-size fits all" approach and had no intention to force schools that did not have "the capacity or the desire to become more autonomous" to do so.

He said greater autonomy allowed principals to be more responsive to the educational needs of students. "Principals I have met in Western Australia rave about the freedom they have to create programs and drive school reforms, benefiting not just the school and students but the community at large," he said.

"Some of the greatest success stories have been in low [socio-economic status] schools."

An evaluation of the WA policy by the University of Melbourne found principals felt it had "enhanced the functioning of their school" but they were concerned it had given some schools an advantage over others.

The NSW Education Minister, Adrian Piccoli, has already opposed the federal Coalition's policy, telling Fairfax Media last month that NSW would not go along with any plan to introduce "charter schools or independent public schools because there is no evidence that they improve student performance".      :(   

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/parents-worried-about-abbott-plan-to-make-public-schools-go-independent-20130802-2r454.html#ixzz2arZfjcMJ

what paren ts.. where are they?? name them so we can discuss ::)

Children should be educated in the moral and economic supremacy of State Socialism over free market capitalism or State capitalism, why Collectivism is superior to individualism morally, ethically and why it is in humanities common good that we abolish private property and ownership....

All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:33am:

All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.

The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail.

We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you.

These new independent schools in WA are crap and deliver nothing in terms of education outcomes it is all about cost cutting and using volunteers to sit on school boards to make business decisions within a limited budget and limited business experience.....This is all about cost cutting and has nothing to do with education!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:33am:

All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.

the Finnish model is INDEPENDENT schools  - exactly the Coalition model.  so are you supporting it or what?

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:55am:

These new independent schools in WA are crap and deliver nothing in terms of education outcomes it is all about cost cutting and using volunteers to sit on school boards to make business decisions within a limited budget and limited business experience.....This is all about cost cutting and has nothing to do with education!!! >:( >:( >:(

is that fact or just your opinion?  can you direct us to some independent detailed assessment of the scheme?

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:37am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am: All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit. The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail. We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you.

The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:21pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am: All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit. the Finnish model is INDEPENDENT schools  - exactly the Coalition model.  so are you supporting it or what?

They are run autonomously by top qualified people who are payed accordingly and not by some MBA dickhead. They are still part of the public system and there is no elitist bullshit uniforms to make money out of. Your libbo mates still want to dole money out to all of those religious run money making private school scam operators. No religious institution should be allowed anywhere near a school let alone run it :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:38pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am: All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit. The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail. We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you. The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system.

the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am: All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit. The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail. We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you. The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system. the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees.

They are not the same. None of them are run by religious institutions or any other scammers trying to maximise their profits. They are essentially public schools and not some wanky hailerbury college or scott college elitist bullshit where you can only go if you can afford it :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:44pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am: All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit. The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail. We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you. The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system. the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees. They are not the same. None of them are run by religious institutions or any other scammers trying to maximise their profits. They are essentially public schools and not some wanky hailerbury college or scott college elitist bullshit where you can only go if you can afford it :(

they are run as private schools but paid for by the govt.  You just don't like the fact that higher education outcomes arrive from using the best parts of the PRIVATE SCHOOL model.  no wanky education department with its idiotic ideas imposing rules and regulations on schools while taking 30% of the budget in its own right.

Funny thing is you wont find a parent anywhere that would not put their kid in a private school instead of a public school if they could, not one, even the ALP sends all their kids private, if that doesn't say it all nothing ever will   :D

Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 6:05pm:

Funny thing is you wont find a parent anywhere that would not put their kid in a private school instead of a public school if they could, not one, even the ALP sends all their kids private, if that doesn't say it all nothing ever will   :D

there are very few who wouldn't send their kids to a private school if they could.  but try telling that to public-nail!

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:05pm: Funny thing is you wont find a parent anywhere that would not put their kid in a private school instead of a public school if they could, not one, even the ALP sends all their kids private, if that doesn't say it all nothing ever will   :D there are very few who wouldn't send their kids to a private school if they could.  but try telling that to public-nail!

Once I heard that the avowed commie dickwad Peter Garrett one time education minister also sends his kids to private school that was the last straw, the f#ckin appalling hypocrisy of these front bottoms , they are so perpetually buggered in the head it defies belief but thats not the worst of it, no the worst of it is people still vote for the phoney front bottoms.

Quote:

The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils

You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents.

Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe.

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Quote: The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents. Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe.

WOW the biggest load of sh it award had just been ripped from woof woofs grasp. :-?

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:07am:

what paren ts.. where are they?? name them so we can discuss ::)

Here you go, cods, you can write this lady if you care enough.

Acting president of the Northern Sydney Council of P&Cs, Steph Croft, said some schools might struggle to find parents and community members who had the spare time and the appropriate management skills to sit on school boards.
"Even in communities with very highly skilled people, it's very, very hard," she said.

:)

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 8:18pm:

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:14pm: Quote: The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents. Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe. WOW the biggest load of sh it award had just been ripped from woof woofs grasp. :-?

How many school  teachers in your immediate family roopoo?

If they are all like you my guess would be none.

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Quote: The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents. Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe.

Or is it that ONLY 4% of parents care about their kids education and school policy???

:)

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:54pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:48pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:44pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am: All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit. The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail. We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you. The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system. the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees. They are not the same. None of them are run by religious institutions or any other scammers trying to maximise their profits. They are essentially public schools and not some wanky hailerbury college or scott college elitist bullshit where you can only go if you can afford it :( they are run as private schools but paid for by the govt.  You just don't like the fact that higher education outcomes arrive from using the best parts of the PRIVATE SCHOOL model.  no wanky education department with its idiotic ideas imposing rules and regulations on schools while taking 30% of the budget in its own right.

that makes it a public school .... no matter what model they follow , they are a public school. Now that that's settled, would you be happy for govt.s to adopt the same system as the Finns and stop funding private schools?

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:00pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:18pm: KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:14pm: Quote: The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents. Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe. WOW the biggest load of sh it award had just been ripped from woof woofs grasp. :-? How many school  teachers in your immediate family roopoo? If they are all like you my guess would be none.

My wife is sweet cheeks. What's it to you?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:05pm: Funny thing is you wont find a parent anywhere that would not put their kid in a private school instead of a public school if they could, not one, even the ALP sends all their kids private, if that doesn't say it all nothing ever will   :D there are very few who wouldn't send their kids to a private school if they could.  but try telling that to public-nail!

Only an imbecile with no idea about public education would write such crap, no surprise you did.

I had this discussion with my wife and a few friends several times over the years, and I had originally decided early on that I wouldn't send my kids to private school. After talking to some friends who are fairly well off, I have changed my mind.

Not, as most people claim, because the private schools give a better education. If they want to learn, they will learn no matter which school. In my opinion that myth that you get a better education at private schools has been disproved many times. My reason for changing my mind is solely because of the future opportunities presented to my kids if their friends at school all own or run the businesses in the area. A friend of mine who went to the best school ended up a dunce, and is now a motor mechanic, but because of all his contacts from school, he has all his mates bringing him their fathers corporate fleets and fancy cars, so he is a very successful mechanic. He just would not have had the same clientele if he hadn't gone to private school.

Having said all that, if my kids do go to private school (they are still young and I may still change my mind) I am quite prepared to pay for it myself. I don't think govt's. should subsidies private education.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 3:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:55am: These new independent schools in WA are crap and deliver nothing in terms of education outcomes it is all about cost cutting and using volunteers to sit on school boards to make business decisions within a limited budget and limited business experience.....This is all about cost cutting and has nothing to do with education!!! >:( >:( >:( is that fact or just your opinion?  can you direct us to some independent detailed assessment of the scheme?

http://pjallmanpayne.tumblr.com/tagged/Independent-Public-Schools

http://www.educationcareer.net.au/archived-news/unionswa-calls-for-review-of-independent-public-schools-policy

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:16pm:

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:00pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:18pm: KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:14pm: Quote: The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents. Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe. WOW the biggest load of sh it award had just been ripped from woof woofs grasp. :-? How many school  teachers in your immediate family roopoo? If they are all like you my guess would be none. My wife is sweet cheeks. What's it to you?

You wife is and she has you for a husband, a dumb foul mouthed turd.

BTW skip, I out rank you  easy in numbers.

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:46pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:16pm: KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 9:00pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:18pm: KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:14pm: Quote: The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents. Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe. WOW the biggest load of sh it award had just been ripped from woof woofs grasp. :-? How many school  teachers in your immediate family roopoo? If they are all like you my guess would be none. My wife is sweet cheeks. What's it to you? I am  a dumb foul mouthed turd.

Yes, so I noticed sweet cheeks.

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:46pm:

she has you for a husband, a dumb foul mouthed turd.

hilarious considering who it's coming from ......

I think you'd have to be one of the rudest ar$eholes on here numberplate, and you have the audacity to call others foul mouthed?  :D :D :D :D

Lobo wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:11pm:

KJT1981 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:14pm: Quote: The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils You do realise Crook that P&C membership is less than 4% of parents. Why? Because it is a looney left organisation operating on the fringe. Or is it that ONLY 4% of parents care about their kids education and school policy??? :)

Good try froggie but a big fail.

Parents don't want political bullshit at a P&C meeting but that is what they get. They want the best for their children not the radical ravings of the left.

Went to one meeting at a school with 500 students. Who many parents at the meeting..............11. That was enough for me

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 5:54pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:48pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:44pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am: All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money. We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit. The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail. We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you. The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system. the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees. They are not the same. None of them are run by religious institutions or any other scammers trying to maximise their profits. They are essentially public schools and not some wanky hailerbury college or scott college elitist bullshit where you can only go if you can afford it :( they are run as private schools but paid for by the govt.  You just don't like the fact that higher education outcomes arrive from using the best parts of the PRIVATE SCHOOL model.  no wanky education department with its idiotic ideas imposing rules and regulations on schools while taking 30% of the budget in its own right. that makes it a public school .... no matter what model they follow , they are a public school. Now that that's settled, would you be happy for govt.s to adopt the same system as the Finns and stop funding private schools?

when we reach the level the Finns have, yes.  The argument has never been about private vs public.  It has always been about quality of education and choice. The Finnish system gives you that. The Australian public system does not.

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:55am: These new independent schools in WA are crap and deliver nothing in terms of education outcomes it is all about cost cutting and using volunteers to sit on school boards to make business decisions within a limited budget and limited business experience.....This is all about cost cutting and has nothing to do with education!!! >:( >:( >:( is that fact or just your opinion?  can you direct us to some independent detailed assessment of the scheme? http://pjallmanpayne.tumblr.com/tagged/Independent-Public-Schools http://www.educationcareer.net.au/archived-news/unionswa-calls-for-review-of-independent-public-schools-policy

the education union report was a bad choice but NOTHING can top a Tumblr account!!!