So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them.

One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s.

So why change?

____ wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:13pm:

... Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. ...

Abbott's cunning, but not wise. A politician, but not a statesman. If he becomes PM, I'll be surprised if we're not at war within six months.

Kevin and Tony are pretty much copying each others policies word for word so it does seem a waste changing govt just to get a Kevin 07 clone.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Kevin and Tony are pretty much copying each others policies word for word so it does seem a waste changing govt just to get a Kevin 07 clone.

Maybe, but labor has proven it cant execute any policy without fu*cking it up and wasting huge amounts of tax payers money

____ wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:13pm:

So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them. One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. So why change?

Labor is incompetent.
Haven't you worked that out yet?

____ wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Imagine having Abbott represent Australia

No.  I simply cannot imagine that.

The other choice is a Government that promised a surplus of $1.5bn - later revised to $20bn deficit.

Now just 10 weeks since the last forecast they've revised their deficit forecast from $18bn to $30bn!!!!

That's pretty woeful forecasting even for the notoriously bad public sector.

If we forecasted that bad in our industry we'd be on the dole queue.

That's not a bad reason why a change of Government is not a bad thing.
This lot have presided over an awful economic downturn.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:16pm:

____ wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:13pm: So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them. One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. So why change? Labor is incompetent. Haven't you worked that out yet?

Yeah, for sure.

Now have you noticed the conservative policies like Direct Inaction.

Quote:

Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s.

Nightmares are made of this....

;)

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Kevin and Tony are pretty much copying each others policies word for word so it does seem a waste changing govt just to get a Kevin 07 clone.

yeah you keep saying that despite the clear evidence that there is a mountain of difference between the two. it would be pointless showing it to you tho.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:27pm:

The other choice is a Government that promised a surplus of $1.5bn - later revised to $20bn deficit. Now just 10 weeks since the last forecast they've revised their deficit forecast from $18bn to $30bn!!!! That's pretty woeful forecasting even for the notoriously bad public sector. If we forecasted that bad in our industry we'd be on the dole queue. That's not a bad reason why a change of Government is not a bad thing. This lot have presided over an awful economic downturn.

the predictions have been so bad and consistently so that you wonder why the government just doesn't lop 10% off treasurys revenue forecasts and halves their estimated savings.  that way you will always be closer than listening to treasury.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:16pm:

____ wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:13pm: So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them. One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. So why change? Labor is incompetent. Haven't you worked that out yet?

Oh, I have no doubt about that, but the "alternative" is equally as incompetent, which means  "WE" are between a rock & a hard place.
So, WHICHEVER OPTION GETS UP AT THE FORTHCOMING ELECTION, "WE" WILL BE THE BIGGEST LOSERS!

____ wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:13pm:

So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them. One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. So why change?

Rudd/Labor must be punished for ruining most of the nation.
...and booted out so they cannot ruin the rest of it.

Cringeworthy Rudd, a total embarrassment, speaks a sentence, then repeats it fifty times in his 45 minute speeches that he could've finished in 10 minutes[like Abbott does].

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Kevin and Tony are pretty much copying each others policies word for word so it does seem a waste changing govt just to get a Kevin 07 clone.

You mean "ME TOO" Rudd is doing exactly what he did in the 2007 election...copying all the policies of the Coaltion...making many promises...until after the election.

We all know how what happened after the 2007 election, don't we?
We have what we have today...massive debt, overrun by asylum seekers [read 'economic refugees'], sky-high petrol prices...no business confidence, rising unemployment, and a basket-case economy.

seems bambu .. you are a  'glass  half empty'   kind of guy.

you evidently believe all the crappist propaganda you are fed... 

I'd prefer another hung parliament.. with the Greens and Independents retaining the balance of power.

THAT  would be worth a vote..   :)

____ wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:13pm:

So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them. One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. So why change?

and hence my Thread about Labor DICKHEADS...

you braindead halfwits are politically retarded...

you've got not one clue

you are prepared to stay with the worst government in the history of Australia although all the signs should tell you that if you vote Labor again WE are F*CKED..........

if you can't get a basic Budget right you fail to have the right to exist in this world...

the Liberal Party still have 16 MPs from the Howard government... these people are smart people and already have a TRACK RECORD of being able to balance a budget...

they even gave back 38 Billion Dollars in Tax Cuts...

so if you look at TRACK RECORDS between these two parties then you'd be an idiotic moron to vote Labor again...

to say they are both the same just shows you are politically retarded and are incapable of comprehending the most basic of political policy...

all you see is RUDD... and .... ABBOTT....

after that your pea brain freezes up like a cheap computer...

Emma wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:35pm:

seems bambu .. you are a  'glass  half empty'   kind of guy. you evidently believe all the crappist propaganda you are fed...  I'd prefer another hung parliament.. with the Greens and Independents retaining the balance of power. THAT  would be worth a vote..   :)

you men a hung LABOR govt right??  how about a minority LIBERAL govt?  work for you and the independants are all going to vote for tony whenever he asks like the current crop?

# wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:22pm:

Abbott's cunning, but not wise. A politician, but not a statesman. If he becomes PM, I'll be surprised if we're not at war within six months.

I'm with you on that one. I can see all 20-year-olds press-ganged into the services. I'll come out and say that war with Tasmania or Chad will follow hot on the heels of an Abbott victory at the upcoming federal election.

You heard it here first.

No point changing government, there is nothing better on offer. That is the problem with conga line, they are happy to accept mediocre at best. While Rudd Labor is far from the best, they are still double that what the coalition offer. Only a partisan hack would say different.

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:55pm:

No point changing government, there is nothing better on offer. That is the problem with conga line, they are happy to accept mediocre at best. While Rudd Labor is far from the best, they are still double that what the coalition offer. Only a partisan hack would say different.

it amazes me how a nincompoop like you can even get out of bed in the morning and feed yourself...

im guessing you still live with your mummy and she does everything for you...

True Blue... wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:59pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:55pm: No point changing government, there is nothing better on offer. That is the problem with conga line, they are happy to accept mediocre at best. While Rudd Labor is far from the best, they are still double that what the coalition offer. Only a partisan hack would say different. it amazes me how a nincompoop like you can even get out of bed in the morning and feed yourself... im guessing you still live with your mummy and she does everything for you...

Thanks for the troll, but its your mum that likes to do things for me, not that she's very good at it.

Durr...

Quote:

Kevin and Tony are pretty much copying each others policies word for word so it does seem a waste changing govt just to get a Kevin 07 clone

adelcrow

Wrong like always adelcrow

Its Kevin and labor copying the Coalition full on most policies, labor is the one moving to the conservative point of view when it comes to dealing with the boat people,  IS IT NOT ???  ;D

They have done a complete 360 degree backflip on that issue alone, they have abandoned there so call principle of compassion


Kevin Rudd done away with Howards tough border protection policies in 2008 on compassion

Kevin Rudd 2013 NOW wants to be seen as tough and more brutal going back to John Howards position on this issue, where he has abandoned all that compassion he championed before  ;D ;D


So labor is copying the coalition,

I will give you ONE BIG REASON, the Government is now attacking the personal savings of the orinary wage earner.

This is a desperate Government bereft of ideas.

Kevin Rudd has personally caused a financial disaster for Australians by his total mishandling of the Boats crisis and it is a crisis..a crisis of his making.

Now he is going into your own kids' bank accounts to pull his useless Government out of a hole he personally dug for us.

For no other reason this mob of imposters needs to go big time.

True Blue... wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:36pm:

the Liberal Party still have 16 MPs from the Howard government...

A chilling thought.



True Blue... wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:36pm:

... these people are smart people ...

Not smart enough to win the last election though.

These "smart people" have been in opposition for the last few years.  Doesn't sound too smart to me.

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:55pm:

No point changing government, there is nothing better on offer. That is the problem with conga line, they are happy to accept mediocre at best. While Rudd Labor is far from the best, they are still double that what the coalition offer. Only a partisan hack would say different.

A fair assessment.

The ALP is far from perfect; no argument there. However, the Libs have nothing to offer at all.

No point changing government at this stage.

If the Libs decided to ditch deadwood like Abbott, Mirabella et al. during their next few years in opposition, perhaps they'll be worthy of another shot at government sometime. 

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 6:47pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 5:16pm: ____ wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:13pm: So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them. One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. So why change? Labor is incompetent. Haven't you worked that out yet? Oh, I have no doubt about that, but the "alternative" is equally as incompetent, which means  "WE" are between a rock & a hard place. So, WHICHEVER OPTION GETS UP AT THE FORTHCOMING ELECTION, "WE" WILL BE THE BIGGEST LOSERS!

Pity you have nothing to substantiate that comment whatsoever.
The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government and that was a competent government which I will remind you was in power for 12 years.
The opposition has done a sterling job holding Labor to account for it's dismal policies, so much so two prime ministers were rolled by there own party.
Doesn't sound incompetent to me at all.

True Blue wrote:
Quote:

the Liberal Party still have 16 MPs from the Howard government

And if that's not a good enough reason for not voting for them, I'm fecked if I know what is.

Retreads, the lot of them, with their failed and rejected policies.

Ah, but it's all about the wealthfare the right think Tony will continue to shower them with.really, isn't it?

Trouble is, the ba$tard probably will, and all.

And, of course, there's this ridiculous but extremely offensive xenophobia being pushed by the Right.


A 'Right' vote is the WRONG vote.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Kevin and Tony are pretty much copying each others policies word for word so it does seem a waste changing govt just to get a Kevin 07 clone.

Which policies would the Coalition be copying word for word then.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ...

The ALP should use that line in their campaign.

It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate.

Given that Howard is far away more popular than either of the two recent labor PMs it could be quite the boost. 

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate. Given that Howard is far away more popular than either of the two recent labor PMs it could be quite the boost.

Pretty sure Howard is not one of the ministers in opposition at the moment.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate.

Why's that.
The electorate voted in favour of these ministers many times and will so again.
Their more experienced, and have the runs on the board.
Labor is incompetent.
It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Labor candidate.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate. Why's that. The electorate voted in favour of these ministers many times and will so again.

Refresh my memory: who's in opposition at the moment?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate. Given that Howard is far away more popular than either of the two recent labor PMs it could be quite the boost.

He could re-run for Bennelong. Lose it twice !

What runs on the board?.  The never ever GST?.  Workchoices ( no choices?. )  The illegal Iraq war?.     :(

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 9:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate. Why's that. The electorate voted in favour of these ministers many times and will so again. Refresh my memory: who's in opposition at the moment?

What has that to do with the price of eggs.
Governments change all the time.
And many of those in the current opposition have already served in a very successful government.
Labor cannot run away from the fact they are incompetent.

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

What runs on the board?.  The never ever GST?.  Workchoices ( no choices?. )  The illegal Iraq war?.     :(

Is that all you have to say about the 12 glorious years of the Howard government.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate. Why's that. The electorate voted in favour of these ministers many times and will so again. Their more experienced, and have the runs on the board. Labor is incompetent. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Labor candidate.

They are pathetic re-treads, and I'd be no more likely to vote for them now as when Howard was running the show.

The only reason the right want Abbott is because they pine for the days under Howard when they all paid no-where
near their fair share of tax, and raked the wealth-fare in as if there'd be no tomorrow.

Howard's conservatives did much harm to the country, and we are now ten+ years behind where we'd have been
with an  actually half-decent government thru the 2000s.

The Howard years were wasted years, and it is pure insanity to want to go back to them.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Emma wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 7:35pm: ... I'd prefer another hung parliament.. ... ...  how about a minority LIBERAL govt?  ...

In light of Abbott's performance with the last hung election, how likely is that? In the unlikely event of Abbott negotiating minority government, how long would it last, given Abbott's deficiencies? Are you hoping for a change in the leadership of the Liberal party?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 9:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:44am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:36am: The opposition contains many ministers who were in the Howard government ... The ALP should use that line in their campaign. It's certainly enough to discourage most intelligent people from voting for a Liberal candidate. Why's that. The electorate voted in favour of these ministers many times and will so again. Refresh my memory: who's in opposition at the moment? What has that to do with the price of eggs.

Try to keep up dear boy.

"The electorate voted in favour of these ministers many times ... "

They didn't last time, did they?

Gotta love the Libs: living their lives in denial.

;D

salad in wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:55pm:

... I can see all 20-year-olds press-ganged into the services. ...

Now there's an idea that will no doubt appeal to the Rabid Right. Anybody under 50 must be in:
- work;
- training/education or;
- the armed services.
It would make the unemployment figures look amazing!


salad in wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 7:55pm:

I'll come out and say that war with Tasmania or Chad will follow hot on the heels of an Abbott victory at the upcoming federal election. ...

It will evidently surprise you to hear that Tasmania is part of Australia. We do keep leaving it off the map, so your confusion is understandable.

It's most likely that Abbott's insensitivity, arrogance and intellectual laziness will lead to conflict with neighbours to our near north and north west. As for China, we'd best keep him away altogether.

Perhaps a muzzle?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 9:10am: What runs on the board?.  The never ever GST?.  Workchoices ( no choices?. )  The illegal Iraq war?.     :( Is that all you have to say about the 12 glorious years of the Howard government.

"glorious"

So glorious that he and his glorious government was voted out.

Welcome to the real world.     ;D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 5:16pm:

____ wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:13pm: So why dump one old party for the other since there isn't much different between them. One benefit with Rudd is he can speak a full sentence, even if it's cringeworthy. Imagine having Abbott represent Australia o/s. So why change? Labor is incompetent. Haven't you worked that out yet?

I don't read Murdock or take political advice from fiction writers.

red baron wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 8:21am:

I will give you ONE BIG REASON, the Government is now attacking the personal savings of the orinary wage earner. This is a desperate Government bereft of ideas. Kevin Rudd has personally caused a financial disaster for Australians by his total mishandling of the Boats crisis and it is a crisis..a crisis of his making. Now he is going into your own kids' bank accounts to pull his useless Government out of a hole he personally dug for us. For no other reason this mob of imposters needs to go big time.

I will give you ONE BIG REASON, the Government is now attacking the personal savings of the orinary wage earner.

The previous conservative government made a much stronger attack on the average workers income, working conditions etc and there ability to have any personal savings at all.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 9:10am: What runs on the board?.  The never ever GST?.  Workchoices ( no choices?. )  The illegal Iraq war?.     :( Is that all you have to say about the 12 glorious years of the Howard government.

3 big ticket items from an endless list. One helped to kill well over 100,000 people by mistake, one disadvantaged all working Australians and the third was something which he gave an iron clad guarantee that he would never ever do. I would think substantial and justified criticism.