Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.



So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Bad, bad, bad.

Australia should abandon the stupid idea of linking the tax to a carbon price we have no control over.

Set the tax level, broaden the base it applies to, use the money on renewables and projects like subsidizing household solar/insulation etc.

Climate report warns extreme weather events are now the norm


Climate scientists in the United States say extreme weather events and warming temperatures are the new norm.

The American Meteorological Society has released its annual snapshot of the world's climate, which concludes disastrous weather events like Hurricane Sandy in the US and droughts and floods in Australia, Africa and South America will become more frequent.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-07/climate-report/4869646



Going in hard and fast is the best and cheapest path. The carbon pollution price will rise and rise so to counter.

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Going in hard and fast is the best and cheapest path. The carbon pollution price will rise and rise so to counter.

In the real world – world-wide emissions are going up and up as population increases and 100’s of millions of people in developing countries get a taste of wealth and increase their per capita emissions.

To think for one minute this is going to change anything, sets Australia on a dangerous path of not acting to protect the country as climate change effects our country more and more.

Tax pollution use the money to prepare for the onset of AGW and on renewables and subsidies for house holds.

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Climate report warns extreme weather events are now the norm Climate scientists in the United States say extreme weather events and warming temperatures are the new norm. The American Meteorological Society has released its annual snapshot of the world's climate, which concludes disastrous weather events like Hurricane Sandy in the US and droughts and floods in Australia, Africa and South America will become more frequent. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-07/climate-report/4869646 Going in hard and fast is the best and cheapest path. The carbon pollution price will rise and rise so to counter.

what about the shareholders greed ? Isn't that more important than the climate ?

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt. Entire continent ! Exaggeration is your friend aye LW. Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

find me a country other than Germany that is not in serious financial difficulties in Europe

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt. Entire continent ! Exaggeration is your friend aye LW. Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

not with the ETS.  there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt. Entire continent ! Exaggeration is your friend aye LW. Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism. not with the ETS.  there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

No - that is 100% wrong.

There are definitely examples of ETS's working very successfully.

The US Clean Air Act implemented an ETS to address increasing pollution and after 40 years of operation is has been a resounding success:

After the Clean Air Act's first 20 years, in 1990, it prevented more than 200,000 premature deaths, and almost 700,000 cases of chronic bronchitis were avoided. Over the last 20 years, total emissions of the six principal air pollutants have decreased by more than 41 percent, while the Gross Domestic Product has increased by more than 64 percent. Through continued innovation and successful implementation, the Clean Air Act will deliver even more benefits over the next 40 years.
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/40th.html

Please don't post nonsense.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin.

despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5

and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt. Entire continent ! Exaggeration is your friend aye LW. Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism. find me a country other than Germany that is not in serious financial difficulties in Europe

Holland

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

No it won't.  Don't be silly.

Firstly - we don't have a "carbon tax" - we have an emissions trading scheme with a 3 year fixed price period.
Secondly - in the unlikely event we do have an "Abbott Government" - he will still not control the Senate and will not repeal anything.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt. Entire continent ! Exaggeration is your friend aye LW. Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism. not with the ETS.  there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

Show me another country pushing direct inaction that isn't communistic !!!

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:56pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED.  but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again.  there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt. Entire continent ! Exaggeration is your friend aye LW. Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism. find me a country other than Germany that is not in serious financial difficulties in Europe Holland

Norway

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin.

Lets hope the voters in coal electorates don't realise that Kevin has killed the coal industry a little earlier than he wanted it dead.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting.

Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate.

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

:(

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:21pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt. No it won't.  Don't be silly. Firstly - we don't have a "carbon tax" - we have an emissions trading scheme with a 3 year fixed price period. Secondly - in the unlikely event we do have an "Abbott Government" - he will still not control the Senate and will not repeal anything.

you are obviously not reading much lately.  The strong likelihood is that the Greens will lose two senators  and Katter will gain one.  If this happens, while Abbott will not have a majority, the balance of power will be held by Mr X and/or the Katter senator.  That means the end of the CT in quick order.  and the mining tax.

suck it up!

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:21pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt. Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting. Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate.

until july 1 2014...

suck it up!

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW. Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming. :(

Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries.

Big market opportunity there.  We are letting it go to waste

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:13pm: All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW. Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming. :( Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries. Big market opportunity there.  We are letting it go to waste

how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries??

cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business!

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:33pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:13pm: All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW. Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming. :( Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries. Big market opportunity there.  We are letting it go to waste how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries?? cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business!

Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet?

Remember - you told us that:

there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:37pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:33pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:13pm: All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW. Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming. :( Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries. Big market opportunity there.  We are letting it go to waste how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries?? cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business! Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet? Remember - you told us that: there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere. When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions

so show me an example of an ETS that has worked. it should be easy for you since you are so sure you know everything about everything.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:37pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:33pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:13pm: All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW. Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming. :( Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries. Big market opportunity there.  We are letting it go to waste how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries?? cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business! Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet? Remember - you told us that: there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere. When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions so show me an example of an ETS that has worked. it should be easy for you since you are so sure you know everything about everything.

I already have.

in this thread.

Post #10
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375839740/10#10

What don't you understand?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 6:04pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:37pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:33pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:13pm: All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW. Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming. :( Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise. That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries. Big market opportunity there.  We are letting it go to waste how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries?? cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business! Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet? Remember - you told us that: there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere. When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions so show me an example of an ETS that has worked. it should be easy for you since you are so sure you know everything about everything. I already have. in this thread. Post #10 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375839740/10#10 What don't you understand?

it isn't an ETS at all your dumb moron!  It is the CLEAN AIR ACT, none of which involved a trading system of any kind!  do you have the slightest idea what an ETS IS?????

unbelievable stupidity from you.

Another stupid Policy on the run decision by Kevin Rudd, tying the Carbon Price to Europe is a masterpiece of stupidity, we could be looking at paying double what we are now, which in itself is ludicrous.

Bring on Abbott who will get rid of this iniquitous tax.

Once again Rudd has demonstrated his ability to drop this Country in the deep end of the sh.t.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:

it isn't an ETS at all your dumb moron!  It is the CLEAN AIR ACT, none of which involved a trading system of any kind!  do you have the slightest idea what an ETS IS????? unbelievable stupidity from you.

I believe the Americans call it - "cap-and-trade":
http://www.epa.gov/capandtrade/documents/ctresults.pdf

Another name for emissions trading.

It was and is very successful.

You should learn how to read and comprehend before you call people a "dumb moron" and accuse them of "unbelievable stupidity".

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:21pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt. Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting. Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate. until july 1 2014... suck it up!

Rather wait for the senate election result, a couple of weeks after the election thanks.

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:40pm:

Another stupid Policy on the run decision by Kevin Rudd, tying the Carbon Price to Europe is a masterpiece of stupidity, we could be looking at paying double what we are now, which in itself is ludicrous. Bring on Abbott who will get rid of this iniquitous tax. Once again Rudd has demonstrated his ability to drop this Country in the deep end of the sh.t.

I just can't believe how politically retarded a lot of Australians are...

the "Carbon Tax" or the ETS has nothing to do with clean living...

ITS JUST A TAX YOU MORONS

they throw a little at some silly useless windfarms then leach off the rest to buy votes and give themselves pay rises...

you can't spend the way Labor do without massively increasing Taxes... the Carbon tax, the big ausie con, will do just nicely...

and all the silly little minions will swallow it hook line and sinker... Durrrrrrrrr  :o

even under Labors own estimates it'll be nearly $40 a Ton by 2020...

so if we don't vote for Liberal this time we're buggered...

True Blue... wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 6:40pm: Another stupid Policy on the run decision by Kevin Rudd, tying the Carbon Price to Europe is a masterpiece of stupidity, we could be looking at paying double what we are now, which in itself is ludicrous. Bring on Abbott who will get rid of this iniquitous tax. Once again Rudd has demonstrated his ability to drop this Country in the deep end of the sh.t. I just can't believe how politically retarded a lot of Australians are... the "Carbon Tax" or the ETS has nothing to do with clean living... ITS JUST A TAX YOU MORONS

No - it is a proven market-based mechanism to reduce pollution.

Using large fonts does not change this simple fact.

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:22pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:21pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt. Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting. Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate. until july 1 2014... suck it up! Rather wait for the senate election result, a couple of weeks after the election thanks.

I thought you greens were 'surgin'?  you don't sound so confident and nor should you with your vote dropping to 6-7%

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:22pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:21pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt. Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting. Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate. until july 1 2014... suck it up! Rather wait for the senate election result, a couple of weeks after the election thanks. I thought you greens were 'surgin'?  you don't sound so confident and nor should you with your vote dropping to 6-7%

Your continual bad calls of the situation is on the record. From Abbott being a certainty to win a landslide to a certainty that Melbourne will revert away from the sitting member.

Your claims are baseless and so happy to wait until the election to see the results and then go from there.

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 8:06pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:22pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:21pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt. Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting. Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate. until july 1 2014... suck it up! Rather wait for the senate election result, a couple of weeks after the election thanks. I thought you greens were 'surgin'?  you don't sound so confident and nor should you with your vote dropping to 6-7% Your continual bad calls of the situation is on the record. From Abbott being a certainty to win a landslide to a certainty that Melbourne will revert away from the sitting member. Your claims are baseless and so happy to wait until the election to see the results and then go from there.

I think your predictions that the libs would lose NSW and QLD more than top any minor mistakes in my predictions.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 8:20pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 8:06pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:22pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:21pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ____ wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am: Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points. So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future. Good news. Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned. Well done Kevin. despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5 and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt. Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting. Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate. until july 1 2014... suck it up! Rather wait for the senate election result, a couple of weeks after the election thanks. I thought you greens were 'surgin'?  you don't sound so confident and nor should you with your vote dropping to 6-7% Your continual bad calls of the situation is on the record. From Abbott being a certainty to win a landslide to a certainty that Melbourne will revert away from the sitting member. Your claims are baseless and so happy to wait until the election to see the results and then go from there. I think your predictions that the libs would lose NSW and QLD more than top any minor mistakes in my predictions.

minor !

You made massive mistakes.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:

it isn't an ETS at all your dumb moron!  It is the CLEAN AIR ACT, none of which involved a trading system of any kind!  do you have the slightest idea what an ETS IS????? unbelievable stupidity from you.

Have you looked up what the Clean Air Act is yet, and the Acid Rain Program that came under it?

Or have you just decided to run away and let this outburst of abuse stand as a monument to your ignorance?