First election debate on Sunday

Date
    August 8, 2013
    The Age.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will face off on Sunday night in the first debate of the federal election campaign.      :)

Labor has agreed it be held at the National Press Club at 6.30pm - with conditions.

Liberal Party federal director Brian Loughnane had proposed the venue and a format in which the leaders make opening and closing remarks and take questions from a panel of journalists.

ALP national secretary George Wright wanted the Seven Network, in conjunction with Facebook, to host the first debate in Sydney.


However in a letter to Mr Loughnane on Thursday, Mr Wright accepted the Canberra proposal.      :)

The ABC should provide the moderator and a live feed to all networks without restriction, he said.

"We are accepting this proposal on the condition that all major networks have the opportunity to host a debate during the campaign," he wrote.

Then he asked Mr Loughnane to accept a debate in Sydney, hosted by Seven and with Facebook, on Sunday August 18.

If it went ahead, it would be the first time social networking site has been directly involved with a televised federal election debate.

Mr Abbott has said he wanted three debates with Mr Rudd in total.

Mr Loughnane has written to Mr Wright on Thursday saying Mr Abbott would participate on Sunday and he believes the two other forums they previously proposed should take place.

They had called for two other televised debates beyond Sunday - at Rooty Hill RSL in Sydney's west and in Brisbane - be held in the lead-up to the September 7 election.

Mr Wright says there should be debates specifically covering national security, the economy and climate change, health and education.

well that'll shut that dickhead Rudd up for a few days...

I want to see these two leaders engage the Public... not just each other and the media...

apparently Rudd doesn't want to do this..

whats he scared of??

I don't think Mr Rudd is scared.  Lets remember one thing, Mr Rudd is very good at debates.  Does anyone remember the one he had with Mr Howard in 2007?.  Maybe Mr Abbott, better start brushing up.  This should be good.      :)          

will there be 21 seconds of stunned silence before he answers each question?  Or will they allow UM ER AH OH time for each response?

wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:32am:

I don't think Mr Rudd is scared.  Lets remember one thing, Mr Rudd is very good at debates.

yes... this guy can just go on and on and on and on about nothing until you've forgotten what the original question was....

ask him a second question and most likely you'll feel like topping yourself before he's finished the answer...

and if the do the "WORM" again i'll fair dinkum puke...

Oh, this is gonna be good.

Abbott's going down in the first round.

Memorise those 6 points Tony    ;D


http://images.theage.com.au/2013/01/12/3948460/art-ABBOTT-620x349.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

Oh, this is gonna be good. Abbott's going down in the first round. Memorise those 6 points Tony    ;D http://images.theage.com.au/2013/01/12/3948460/art-ABBOTT-620x349.jpg

mmmmm... look at those pursed lips....seminary lips....

Sunday - election debate
Monday - media outlets telling everybody who won.

Why don't we just skip the debate, and go straight to step 2?  It's not like Joe Aussie would know a winner if he saw one, and it won't change anyone's mind anyway.

and if only good leadership and policy were synonymous with debating skills.

Id rather have a deaf and dumb mute with brilliant leadership and policy development skills than someone with Obama-level oratopry and debating ability and the brain of a psychopathic flea (ie Rudd)

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Id rather have a deaf and dumb mute with brilliant leadership and policy development skills ...

If the Liberal Party have one, now would be the time to wheel him/her out.

I remember Abbotts performances in the people's forums in 2010.  He was very good, very convincing but most importantly he then went on to tell people what his plans were, and he explained his position on matters.

Then the idiot walks out of the room and winds back up in attack dog three word slogan mode and his message was completley lost.

Based on the peoples forums I watched I wouldnt underestimate Abbott.  As long as he focuses on what he is going to do and not what Labor has done and projects positivity like he did in those forums, he could very well take them out.

You underestimate your opponent at your own peril.

More election debates, the better: Wong

    From: AAP
    August 09, 2013
    The Australian.


LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will face off on Sunday night in the first debate of the federal election campaign.      :)

Senator Wong says the conditions of Sunday's debate are still being negotiated, but she says Labor wants more debates than the Liberals have offered.

"We are in the cart for as many debates as possible. Kevin Rudd's made that clear," Senator Wong told ABC radio in Melbourne.      :)

"He offered to debate Tony Abbott, I think every week, in a number of debates between now and the election.

"Mr Abbott's been, I think, somewhat reluctant."      :(

The Liberals want Sunday leaders' debate plus two people's forums - one in western Sydney and one in Brisbane.


Sunday's debate will be held at the National Press Club at 6.30pm (AEST).    

wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

More election debates, the better: Wong     From: AAP     August 09, 2013     The Australian. LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will face off on Sunday night in the first debate of the federal election campaign.      :) Senator Wong says the conditions of Sunday's debate are still being negotiated, but she says Labor wants more debates than the Liberals have offered. "We are in the cart for as many debates as possible. Kevin Rudd's made that clear," Senator Wong told ABC radio in Melbourne.      :) "He offered to debate Tony Abbott, I think every week, in a number of debates between now and the election. "Mr Abbott's been, I think, somewhat reluctant."      :( The Liberals want Sunday leaders' debate plus two people's forums - one in western Sydney and one in Brisbane. Sunday's debate will be held at the National Press Club at 6.30pm (AEST).

Ummm, it's a lie that Abbott has been reluctant to debate Rudd. Abbott had said on numerous occasions that he'd be happy to participate in an election debate any time - once an election was called. It's a bit hard to have an election debate without first calling an election!

Vic wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:25am: Oh, this is gonna be good. Abbott's going down in the first round. Memorise those 6 points Tony    ;D http://images.theage.com.au/2013/01/12/3948460/art-ABBOTT-620x349.jpg mmmmm... look at those pursed lips....seminary lips....

Getting ya hard is it?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:18am: More election debates, the better: Wong     From: AAP     August 09, 2013     The Australian. LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will face off on Sunday night in the first debate of the federal election campaign.      :) Senator Wong says the conditions of Sunday's debate are still being negotiated, but she says Labor wants more debates than the Liberals have offered. "We are in the cart for as many debates as possible. Kevin Rudd's made that clear," Senator Wong told ABC radio in Melbourne.      :) "He offered to debate Tony Abbott, I think every week, in a number of debates between now and the election. "Mr Abbott's been, I think, somewhat reluctant."      :( The Liberals want Sunday leaders' debate plus two people's forums - one in western Sydney and one in Brisbane. Sunday's debate will be held at the National Press Club at 6.30pm (AEST).     Ummm, it's a lie that Abbott has been reluctant to debate Rudd. Abbott had said on numerous occasions that he'd be happy to participate in an election debate any time - once an election was called. It's a bit hard to have an election debate without first calling an election!

Rudd didnt want an election debate, he wanted a debate about the economy.

Abbott refused the debate on the grounds that if Rudd wanted to debate he should recall parliament.  The stupidity of that statement is I have yet to see a debate in the house of reps.  All I see is cheap shots from each side in the worst display of behaviour in a manner that cannot be effectively moderated because out of 150 members only about 10 respect the place and the rest chant and nod like idiots.

Abbott could have easily accepted and instead tried to use it as a bargaining chip in getting Rudd to announce the election date on his terms and not Rudds.

Oh GOODY, I will look forward to that?

NOT!!!

Verge wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

I remember Abbotts performances in the people's forums in 2010.  He was very good, very convincing but most importantly he then went on to tell people what his plans were, and he explained his position on matters. Then the idiot walks out of the room and winds back up in attack dog three word slogan mode and his message was completley lost. Based on the peoples forums I watched I wouldnt underestimate Abbott.  As long as he focuses on what he is going to do and not what Labor has done and projects positivity like he did in those forums, he could very well take them out. You underestimate your opponent at your own peril.

I work with someone who used to work with Abbott before politics and he has nothing but praised for him as a very impressive, very talented and very passionate person.  He DOES suffer from foot-in-mouth disease and always has but as my friend commented 'most people consider that to be honesty!'

Verge wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 12:34pm: wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:18am: More election debates, the better: Wong     From: AAP     August 09, 2013     The Australian. LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will face off on Sunday night in the first debate of the federal election campaign.      :) Senator Wong says the conditions of Sunday's debate are still being negotiated, but she says Labor wants more debates than the Liberals have offered. "We are in the cart for as many debates as possible. Kevin Rudd's made that clear," Senator Wong told ABC radio in Melbourne.      :) "He offered to debate Tony Abbott, I think every week, in a number of debates between now and the election. "Mr Abbott's been, I think, somewhat reluctant."      :( The Liberals want Sunday leaders' debate plus two people's forums - one in western Sydney and one in Brisbane. Sunday's debate will be held at the National Press Club at 6.30pm (AEST).     Ummm, it's a lie that Abbott has been reluctant to debate Rudd. Abbott had said on numerous occasions that he'd be happy to participate in an election debate any time - once an election was called. It's a bit hard to have an election debate without first calling an election! Rudd didnt want an election debate, he wanted a debate about the economy. Abbott refused the debate on the grounds that if Rudd wanted to debate he should recall parliament.  The stupidity of that statement is I have yet to see a debate in the house of reps.  All I see is cheap shots from each side in the worst display of behaviour in a manner that cannot be effectively moderated because out of 150 members only about 10 respect the place and the rest chant and nod like idiots. Abbott could have easily accepted and instead tried to use it as a bargaining chip in getting Rudd to announce the election date on his terms and not Rudds.

there was no reason to debate Rudd.  As we have seen in the past, Rudd is a slippery character and all he wasnted was for Abbott to revela his policies as indeed he would have to in such a debate.  But just like julias attempt in January by announcing the election date, it failed.  Abbott is too clever for such amateur hour stunts.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 6:18pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 10:08am: I remember Abbotts performances in the people's forums in 2010.  He was very good, very convincing but most importantly he then went on to tell people what his plans were, and he explained his position on matters. Then the idiot walks out of the room and winds back up in attack dog three word slogan mode and his message was completley lost. Based on the peoples forums I watched I wouldnt underestimate Abbott.  As long as he focuses on what he is going to do and not what Labor has done and projects positivity like he did in those forums, he could very well take them out. You underestimate your opponent at your own peril. I work with someone who used to work with Abbott before politics and he has nothing but praised for him as a very impressive, very talented and very passionate person.  He DOES suffer from foot-in-mouth disease and always has but as my friend commented 'most people consider that to be honesty!'

The general consensus from anyone who worked with him is the same - he's a good bloke

An unnamed source within the LNP, who wishes to remain anonymous, has revealed that Abbott is having his AV link implanted on Saturday evening.


;)

Lobo wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

An unnamed source within the LNP, who wishes to remain anonymous, has revealed that Abbott is having his AV link implanted on Saturday evening. ;)

a long, long list of NAMED sources in the ALP have revealed that Rudd is a micromanaging, indecisive, psychopathic, narcissistic egotist and that every single member of caucus loathe him with a depth that is palpable. 

wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

More election debates, the better: Wong August 09, 2013 The Australian LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says. Senator Wong says the conditions of Sunday's debate are still being negotiated, but she says Labor wants more debates than the Liberals have offered. "We are in the cart for as many debates as possible. Kevin Rudd's made that clear," Senator Wong told ABC radio in Melbourne.  "He offered to debate Tony Abbott, I think every week, in a number of debates between now and the election. "Mr Abbott's been, I think, somewhat reluctant."      :( The Liberals want Sunday leaders' debate plus two people's forums - one in western Sydney and one in Brisbane. Sunday's debate will be held at the National Press Club at 6.30pm (AEST).

Tony just CAN'T win here
REGARDLESS of policy, ideology, vision, credentials, etc. ...

He's CRAP at debating
Rudd will DEMOLISH him - at every TURN - on every OCCASION

But he can't RUN AWAY
That'd look WORSE

wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says.

well so far I've only heard from WONG once in this election...


what's she been doing with her tongue with rest of the time???

True Blue... wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:18am: LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says. well so far I've only heard from WONG once in this election... what's she been doing with her tongue with rest of the time???

I am not sure whether this is relevant, but I hear that she's quite a fan of cats!

Maqqa wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 6:18pm: Verge wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 10:08am: I remember Abbotts performances in the people's forums in 2010.  He was very good, very convincing but most importantly he then went on to tell people what his plans were, and he explained his position on matters. Then the idiot walks out of the room and winds back up in attack dog three word slogan mode and his message was completley lost. Based on the peoples forums I watched I wouldnt underestimate Abbott.  As long as he focuses on what he is going to do and not what Labor has done and projects positivity like he did in those forums, he could very well take them out. You underestimate your opponent at your own peril. I work with someone who used to work with Abbott before politics and he has nothing but praised for him as a very impressive, very talented and very passionate person.  He DOES suffer from foot-in-mouth disease and always has but as my friend commented 'most people consider that to be honesty!' The general consensus from anyone who worked with him is the same - he's a good bloke

Well let's see - he is a volunteer firefighter, surf lifesaver and helps a remote NT Aboriginal community at the end of every year.

Meanwhile, what community work does Rudd do?

My brother-in laws uncles ex-flatmate worked with Krudd and says he was a good bloke too.