This is from an ex R.A.A.F. Wing Commander, who for obvious reasons doesn't want his name revealed:



This is a typical Politician who thinks He Owns Everything……………..

I made an enquiry via my ex RAAF connections, apparently KRUDD & the first shiela’s trip to Afghanistan via a RAAF KC30-A A330
Tanker was specifically tasked for just him, wife & media visit to Afghanistan.
The trip went via Perth and was a very quick over & back task.
What a complete waste of taxpayer funds for a photo op with the troops, when we have a massive cutback in defence spending.

This trip will not have come out of No 34 VIP Squadrons funding for Prime Ministerial travel.  The KC30-A Tanker belongs & funding
expenditure is allocated by No 33 Squadron at Amberley.

In effect he is stealing funding from defence operations for his own political purposes.
Is there no end to this prick’s selfishness, self aggrandisement, waste and contempt
to the Armed Services and the Australian Tax Payer?

And this while most of my retired military friends are living impoverished lives on their Labor Party deliberately reduced (Defence
Forces Retirement Benefit Fund) superannuation indexation.  In my case it is minus $550 a fortnight since I retired and I was a Wing Commander
most of the retired guys were Warrant Officers or lesser ranks and really struggling after serving their country all their working lives.
It’s a bloody disgrace! About $560 million would repay it all back which is about 2 weeks worth of illegal immigrants under Rudd!

As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires.

This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU.

Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities?

Could it be because they have nothing else to offer?

Kat wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires. This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU. Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities? Could it be because they have nothing else to offer?

He could have done a Howard and used a private jet

red baron wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

This is from an ex R.A.A.F. Wing Commander, who for obvious reasons doesn't want his name revealed: This is a typical Politician who thinks He Owns Everything…………….. I made an enquiry via my ex RAAF connections, ...

OH, MY MY !


ANOTHER "little bird" ?


SERIOUSLY, your delusions and BULLSH!T are getting a tad TIRESOME

Try and stick to FACTUAL, VERIFIABLE SOURCES

You might EVENTUALLY be taken with more than a "grain of salt"

Kat wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires. This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU. Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities? Could it be because they have nothing else to offer?

I think you should have read the whole biit, before unloading your bile.

The Wing Comander is upset that the PM can just re-task non-VIP aircraft at his whim, wasting sh1t loads in ADF money, when those who have served their country are getting screwed on the pension, which are considerabley less than civilian pensions.

But you just spit on these welfare recipients, they served theircountry and now are getting buggered over for their service.


It's not about some stupid flight, it's about the inequitability suffered by those who serve these pack of idiot pollies.

Do you know how many times Howard used the same method ????

Remember the controversy of Howard taking his family on Holidays this way??

Dnarever wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

Do you know how many times Howard used the same method ???? Remember the controversy of Howard taking his family on Holidays this way??

Ummm, no


Whay would he fly an operationa RAAF aircraft when he had access to perfectly good VIP aircraft to go on hols?

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Kat wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:13am: As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires. This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU. Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities? Could it be because they have nothing else to offer? I think you should have read the whole biit, before unloading your bile. The Wing Comander is upset that the PM can just re-task non-VIP aircraft at his whim, wasting sh1t loads in ADF money, when those who have served their country are getting screwed on the pension, which are considerabley less than civilian pensions. But you just spit on these welfare recipients, they served theircountry and now are getting buggered over for their service. It's not about some stupid flight, it's about the inequitability suffered by those who serve these pack of idiot pollies.

WHAT ABOUT THE MASSIVE RAAF PLANE FULL OF MEDIA THAT FOLLOWED HIM TO QLD... TO HYPE BEATIE....LOL...

THEY EVEN HATE EACH OTHER...

DONT TAKE ANY NOTICE OF BUZZ S BILE..

HE THOUGHT KEV THE CONS TRIP TO COPENHAGEN

[WHEN HE WAS IN SAVE THE PLANET MODE]

WITH A PLANE FULL OF FREELOADERS WAS DOING US ALL A FAVOR AS THE PLANE WAS HALF EMPTY ANYWAY.. ::) ::) ::)


GO FIGURE1

Dnarever wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

Do you know how many times Howard used the same method ???? Remember the controversy of Howard taking his family on Holidays this way??

last I saw the Howards always had their holidays in Australia....which holiday are you referring too??..

btw n o one minds the PM we accept that 

but if he commissions the airforce at whim...we know about his EGO dont we.. and then has one lined up just for his media...another EGO thing...then we have a right to ask WHY>> B IG HEAD WHY.

everyones been told we are in for tough times..

can we guess that doesnt apply to kev the bloody con?

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:31am: Do you know how many times Howard used the same method ???? Remember the controversy of Howard taking his family on Holidays this way?? Ummm, no Whay would he fly an operationa RAAF aircraft when he had access to perfectly good VIP aircraft to go on hols?

bigole.. when Tony gets in wait for this lot to pounce they have very short.memories.

everything he does will be shredded in spades.

its only OK if its labor.

Howard used to borrow one of the F111's to drop his mate borg off at the shops.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Howard used to borrow one of the F111's to drop his mate borg off at the shops.

oh dear another skippy

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:31am: Do you know how many times Howard used the same method ???? Remember the controversy of Howard taking his family on Holidays this way?? Ummm, no Whay would he fly an operationa RAAF aircraft when he had access to perfectly good VIP aircraft to go on hols?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/howzat-six-flights-to-get-howards-to-the-g/2007/06/21/1182019286740.html


Quote:

FOR any cricket fan, the Boxing Day Test in an Ashes series is a highlight of the sporting calendar. But when the cricket-buff-in-chief, John Howard, took the family to the MCG last year it cost the air force $13,254 to provide a VIP jet to fly the Howards and their sons, Richard and Tim, to Melbourne for the second day's play. Mr Howard's sons paid commercial rates but taxpayers picked up the rest of the tab. Documents tabled in Parliament show the RAAF made six flights to get the first family from Sydney to Melbourne and back again on December 27. The Challenger jet flew without passengers from Canberra to Sydney, picked up the Howards and took them to Melbourne.

cods wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:59am: Kat wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:13am: As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires. This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU. Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities? Could it be because they have nothing else to offer? I think you should have read the whole biit, before unloading your bile. The Wing Comander is upset that the PM can just re-task non-VIP aircraft at his whim, wasting sh1t loads in ADF money, when those who have served their country are getting screwed on the pension, which are considerabley less than civilian pensions. But you just spit on these welfare recipients, they served theircountry and now are getting buggered over for their service. It's not about some stupid flight, it's about the inequitability suffered by those who serve these pack of idiot pollies. WHAT ABOUT THE MASSIVE RAAF PLANE FULL OF MEDIA THAT FOLLOWED HIM TO QLD... TO HYPE BEATIE....LOL... THEY EVEN HATE EACH OTHER... DONT TAKE ANY NOTICE OF BUZZ S BILE.. HE THOUGHT KEV THE CONS TRIP TO COPENHAGEN [WHEN HE WAS IN SAVE THE PLANET MODE] WITH A PLANE FULL OF FREELOADERS WAS DOING US ALL A FAVOR AS THE PLANE WAS HALF EMPTY ANYWAY.. ::) ::) ::) GO FIGURE1

I also found this absolutely ludicrous. Why utilise a C-17 Globemaster (the largest aircraft in the RAAF) when the PM's office could've organised a charter aircraft for a fraction of the cost? It can carry more than 100 troops, including all of their equipment and to use it for press seems an absurd waste of funds.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:32am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:31am: Do you know how many times Howard used the same method ???? Remember the controversy of Howard taking his family on Holidays this way?? Ummm, no Whay would he fly an operationa RAAF aircraft when he had access to perfectly good VIP aircraft to go on hols? http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/howzat-six-flights-to-get-howards-to-the-g/2007/06/21/1182019286740.html Quote: FOR any cricket fan, the Boxing Day Test in an Ashes series is a highlight of the sporting calendar. But when the cricket-buff-in-chief, John Howard, took the family to the MCG last year it cost the air force $13,254 to provide a VIP jet to fly the Howards and their sons, Richard and Tim, to Melbourne for the second day's play. Mr Howard's sons paid commercial rates but taxpayers picked up the rest of the tab. Documents tabled in Parliament show the RAAF made six flights to get the first family from Sydney to Melbourne and back again on December 27. The Challenger jet flew without passengers from Canberra to Sydney, picked up the Howards and took them to Melbourne.

So, like I said, he used a VIP jet to do whatever and NOT an operational RAAF aircraft, so it was NOTHING like what is mentioned in the OP.

Nice work.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

cods wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:36am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:59am: Kat wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:13am: As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires. This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU. Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities? Could it be because they have nothing else to offer? I think you should have read the whole biit, before unloading your bile. The Wing Comander is upset that the PM can just re-task non-VIP aircraft at his whim, wasting sh1t loads in ADF money, when those who have served their country are getting screwed on the pension, which are considerabley less than civilian pensions. But you just spit on these welfare recipients, they served theircountry and now are getting buggered over for their service. It's not about some stupid flight, it's about the inequitability suffered by those who serve these pack of idiot pollies. WHAT ABOUT THE MASSIVE RAAF PLANE FULL OF MEDIA THAT FOLLOWED HIM TO QLD... TO HYPE BEATIE....LOL... THEY EVEN HATE EACH OTHER... DONT TAKE ANY NOTICE OF BUZZ S BILE.. HE THOUGHT KEV THE CONS TRIP TO COPENHAGEN [WHEN HE WAS IN SAVE THE PLANET MODE] WITH A PLANE FULL OF FREELOADERS WAS DOING US ALL A FAVOR AS THE PLANE WAS HALF EMPTY ANYWAY.. ::) ::) ::) GO FIGURE1 I also found this absolutely ludicrous. Why utilise a C-17 Globemaster (the largest aircraft in the RAAF) when the PM's office could've organised a charter aircraft for a fraction of the cost? It can carry more than 100 troops, including all of their equipment and to use it for press seems an absurd waste of funds.

I think it says it all about this man..... waste waste waste and more waste..he is on an EGO trip from hell.. and we are paying for it..as long as he looks good.. [in his opinion] thats all that matters...what it costs the nation he couldnt give a sh!t about..

kev the con... he does the name proud.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:48am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:32am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:31am: Do you know how many times Howard used the same method ???? Remember the controversy of Howard taking his family on Holidays this way?? Ummm, no Whay would he fly an operationa RAAF aircraft when he had access to perfectly good VIP aircraft to go on hols? http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/howzat-six-flights-to-get-howards-to-the-g/2007/06/21/1182019286740.html Quote: FOR any cricket fan, the Boxing Day Test in an Ashes series is a highlight of the sporting calendar. But when the cricket-buff-in-chief, John Howard, took the family to the MCG last year it cost the air force $13,254 to provide a VIP jet to fly the Howards and their sons, Richard and Tim, to Melbourne for the second day's play. Mr Howard's sons paid commercial rates but taxpayers picked up the rest of the tab. Documents tabled in Parliament show the RAAF made six flights to get the first family from Sydney to Melbourne and back again on December 27. The Challenger jet flew without passengers from Canberra to Sydney, picked up the Howards and took them to Melbourne. So, like I said, he used a VIP jet to do whatever and NOT an operational RAAF aircraft, so it was NOTHING like what is mentioned in the OP. Nice work.

You think that the PM chooses the plane that the RAAF allocate ?


Realistically the PM's office would communicate the transport requirement and dates to the RAAF and they would allocate the best resources for the purpose.

It may have been as simple as the RAAF wanted to relocate this plane or maybe it needed some flight hours?

No actual policies to discuss
A book of dreams with no funding

So we'll go down the road nit picking about what type of aircraft are used.

The glass is indeed empty :(

red baron wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

This is from an ex R.A.A.F. Wing Commander, who for obvious reasons doesn't want his name revealed: This is a typical Politician who thinks He Owns Everything…………….. I made an enquiry via my ex RAAF connections, apparently KRUDD & the first shiela’s trip to Afghanistan via a RAAF KC30-A A330 Tanker was specifically tasked for just him, wife & media visit to Afghanistan. The trip went via Perth and was a very quick over & back task. What a complete waste of taxpayer funds for a photo op with the troops, when we have a massive cutback in defence spending. This trip will not have come out of No 34 VIP Squadrons funding for Prime Ministerial travel.  The KC30-A Tanker belongs & funding expenditure is allocated by No 33 Squadron at Amberley. In effect he is stealing funding from defence operations for his own political purposes. Is there no end to this prick’s selfishness, self aggrandisement, waste and contempt to the Armed Services and the Australian Tax Payer? And this while most of my retired military friends are living impoverished lives on their Labor Party deliberately reduced (Defence Forces Retirement Benefit Fund) superannuation indexation.  In my case it is minus $550 a fortnight since I retired and I was a Wing Commander most of the retired guys were Warrant Officers or lesser ranks and really struggling after serving their country all their working lives. It’s a bloody disgrace! About $560 million would repay it all back which is about 2 weeks worth of illegal immigrants under Rudd!

If its true - when was it? Was it from the propaganda account for making our soldiers look good that all govts have? Was it out of the election propaganda fund? Other?

SOB

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

No actual policies to discuss A book of dreams with no funding So we'll go down the road nit picking about what type of aircraft are used. The glass is indeed empty :(

Come on, they have a 6 point plan:

1. Stop the boats
2. ...


What are the other ones again?


http://images.thevine.com.au/resources/VAR/000/033/jaymes-diaz-and-the-worst-political-interview-disasters-in-tv-history_h.jpg

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

No actual policies to discuss A book of dreams with no funding So we'll go down the road nit picking about what type of aircraft are used. The glass is indeed empty :(

Another one that only reads the first two sentences. Their is indeed a very serious policy issue at stake here, to do with the treatment of returned servicemen and women by a self serving prime minister.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Kat wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:13am: As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires. This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU. Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities? Could it be because they have nothing else to offer? I think you should have read the whole biit, before unloading your bile. The Wing Comander is upset that the PM can just re-task non-VIP aircraft at his whim, wasting sh1t loads in ADF money, when those who have served their country are getting screwed on the pension, which are considerabley less than civilian pensions. But you just spit on these welfare recipients, they served theircountry and now are getting buggered over for their service. It's not about some stupid flight, it's about the inequitability suffered by those who serve these pack of idiot pollies.

I wonder if he whinged when howard did it?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

cods wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:59am: Kat wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 7:13am: As PM, Rudd can use RAAF planes if he so desires. This whinging pr1ck needs to STFU. Why DO the Right keep dragging-up trivialities? Could it be because they have nothing else to offer? I think you should have read the whole biit, before unloading your bile. The Wing Comander is upset that the PM can just re-task non-VIP aircraft at his whim, wasting sh1t loads in ADF money, when those who have served their country are getting screwed on the pension, which are considerabley less than civilian pensions. But you just spit on these welfare recipients, they served theircountry and now are getting buggered over for their service. It's not about some stupid flight, it's about the inequitability suffered by those who serve these pack of idiot pollies. WHAT ABOUT THE MASSIVE RAAF PLANE FULL OF MEDIA THAT FOLLOWED HIM TO QLD... TO HYPE BEATIE....LOL... THEY EVEN HATE EACH OTHER... DONT TAKE ANY NOTICE OF BUZZ S BILE.. HE THOUGHT KEV THE CONS TRIP TO COPENHAGEN [WHEN HE WAS IN SAVE THE PLANET MODE] WITH A PLANE FULL OF FREELOADERS WAS DOING US ALL A FAVOR AS THE PLANE WAS HALF EMPTY ANYWAY.. ::) ::) ::) GO FIGURE1

hahhahaha full capslock troll mode today? Whats the occasion?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Howard used to borrow one of the F111's to drop his mate borg off at the shops.

oh look. Out of the woodwork with the liars again. I didnt say he was on an F111.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338773899/83#83

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 9:57am: No actual policies to discuss A book of dreams with no funding So we'll go down the road nit picking about what type of aircraft are used. The glass is indeed empty :( Another one that only reads the first two sentences. Their is indeed a very serious policy issue at stake here, to do with the treatment of returned servicemen and women by a self serving prime minister.

bugger off Big
Returned servicemen & women have been screwed over by both parties since WW1.
Don't try & sheet this crap home to Rudd.

By all means whinge about a person who goes to war, gets injured & then has to fight for proper medical treatment, but don't come at this from a partisan point of view it just shows your apparent concern is bullsh!t.


And if you really are concerned, what flavour of government planned to cut TPI eligibility & benefits but when leaked then spent 6 years chasing journalists.
Not Labor ;)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

I wonder if he whinged when howard did it? SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

What is "it"?


Just for your information I couldn't give a bugger what arircraft what deadsh1t pollie flew in, not the point of the OP link or my posts.


Learn to read more that the first sentence, ya winner.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 10:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 9:57am: No actual policies to discuss A book of dreams with no funding So we'll go down the road nit picking about what type of aircraft are used. The glass is indeed empty :( Another one that only reads the first two sentences. Their is indeed a very serious policy issue at stake here, to do with the treatment of returned servicemen and women by a self serving prime minister. bugger off Big Returned servicemen & women have been screwed over by both parties since WW1. Don't try & sheet this crap home to Rudd. By all means whinge about a person who goes to war, gets injured & then has to fight for proper medical treatment, but don't come at this from a partisan point of view it just shows your apparent concern is bullsh!t.

Much thanks for reinforceing my comment about not bothering to read the whole post and go off on a retard tangent.

But this post is about rudd and it is about the treatment of retired servicemen and women by the government, if you want to discuss something else start your own thread,Ill be sure to ignore it.


FFS people tread the fvcken post and not just the fvcken heading!

As a Righty, Racist bigot or what any other names a lefty might describe me as. To shock you all, I have no problem Rudd using a Military aircraft typically used by our military to fly him in and out of the war zone. As much as I would like to shoot Rudd out of the sky my self, that is the very reason why such an aircraft should and would be used when transporting the PM of Australia in/out of a war zone. To use any other aircraft would be like putting a neon sign up for the enemy saying shoot me down.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:42am:

As a Righty, Racist bigot or what any other names a lefty might describe me as. To shock you all, I have no problem Rudd using a Military aircraft typically used by our military to fly him in and out of the war zone. As much as I would like to shoot Rudd out of the sky my self, that is the very reason why such an aircraft should and would be used when transporting the PM of Australia in/out of a war zone. To use any other aircraft would be like putting a neon sign up for the enemy saying shoot me down.

C-130s are cheaper and are on constant rotation in and out of the ghan, the KC-30 was taken out of normal operations to take him there. Personally he should take an aircraft already tasked to fly in country.

If he wanted to look the hero flying in he could have taken a Globemaster on its way over.

Lots of options better than the one he took and a lot less wasteful

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:42am:

As a Righty, Racist bigot or what any other names a lefty might describe me as. To shock you all, I have no problem Rudd using a Military aircraft typically used by our military to fly him in and out of the war zone. As much as I would like to shoot Rudd out of the sky my self, that is the very reason why such an aircraft should and would be used when transporting the PM of Australia in/out of a war zone. To use any other aircraft would be like putting a neon sign up for the enemy saying shoot me down.

I suppose we could all chuck in and rent him a Cessna...

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 10:24am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 10:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 9:57am: No actual policies to discuss A book of dreams with no funding So we'll go down the road nit picking about what type of aircraft are used. The glass is indeed empty :( Another one that only reads the first two sentences. Their is indeed a very serious policy issue at stake here, to do with the treatment of returned servicemen and women by a self serving prime minister. bugger off Big Returned servicemen & women have been screwed over by both parties since WW1. Don't try & sheet this crap home to Rudd. By all means whinge about a person who goes to war, gets injured & then has to fight for proper medical treatment, but don't come at this from a partisan point of view it just shows your apparent concern is bullsh!t. Much thanks for reinforceing my comment about not bothering to read the whole post and go off on a retard tangent. But this post is about rudd and it is about the treatment of retired servicemen and women by the government, if you want to discuss something else start your own thread,Ill be sure to ignore it. FFS people tread the fvcken post and not just the fvcken heading!

Why on earth would I place any stock in what Red says?
The OP has no quoted sources, no links to articles to verify
Just apparently Reds mates word,


Quote:

I made an enquiry via my ex RAAF connections, apparently KRUDD & the first shiela’s trip to Afghanistan via a RAAF KC30-A A330 Tanker was specifically tasked for just him, wife & media visit to Afghanistan.

Well I spoke to my anonymous source in Defence & he said the plane was scheduled to go to "The Ghan" to cover lag time between the Yanks refuelers arriving to replace those going home.

So which load of bullsh!t are you going to back?

Stupid thread. Im sure Rudd didnt have endless meetings disucssing the cheapest and best option of flying into a war zone. 

It is the VERY ESSENCE of what Kevin RUDD represents.

Rudd senses a patriotic media opportunity, knowing that an election is in the winds. In typical 'policy on the run' Rudd style; he  picks up the phone, tells the R.A.A.F. to get a plane ready, a f......g big one, one big enough to take maximum Media, journos, etc.

Then on a wing and a prayer he flies to Afghanistan with Therese in tow. Make his media presentation both he and Therese in their flak jackets.

You see this is where Kevin RUDD is like the mighty OZ a.k.a. Wizard of Oz. He is all smoke and mirrors there is nothing of substance to this Teflon coated fraud, he is putting on a masterclass in bullsh.t for the voting public.

Only thing is, the majority are not buying this flim flam for one solitary second.

cods wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 8:46am: Howard used to borrow one of the F111's to drop his mate borg off at the shops. oh dear another skippy

You really need to add a 'sarcasm' emoticin, FD.....

;)

I guess Howard must have overlooked the opportunity to re-jig DFRB....

Nah!!!
That couldn't be possible.....Could it??

:)

Quote:

The KC30-A Tanker belongs & funding expenditure is allocated by No 33 Squadron at Amberley.

I'm surprised this thread wasn't titled "RAAF refuses Rudd VIP aircraft".

:)

Lobo wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

I guess Howard must have overlooked the opportunity to re-jig DFRB.... Nah!!! That couldn't be possible.....Could it?? :)

Sh1t why don't we blame whitlam for not reviewing the DFRDB when he had the chance as well.

Service members have been actively campaigning the CURRENT government for the last few years and the CURRENT government has chosen to ignore them; that is why howard, keating, hawke, fraser and whitlam have not been mentioned.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

Lobo wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:35pm: I guess Howard must have overlooked the opportunity to re-jig DFRB.... Nah!!! That couldn't be possible.....Could it?? :) Sh1t why don't we blame whitlam for not reviewing the DFRDB when he had the chance as well. Service members have been actively campaigning the CURRENT government for the last few years and the CURRENT government has chosen to ignore them; that is why howard, keating, hawke, fraser and whitlam have not been mentioned.

EXACTLY!!
And as they have previous govts.
So why is Wingco X putting it all in Labor's lap....

:)

Lobo wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Lobo wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:35pm: I guess Howard must have overlooked the opportunity to re-jig DFRB.... Nah!!! That couldn't be possible.....Could it?? :) Sh1t why don't we blame whitlam for not reviewing the DFRDB when he had the chance as well. Service members have been actively campaigning the CURRENT government for the last few years and the CURRENT government has chosen to ignore them; that is why howard, keating, hawke, fraser and whitlam have not been mentioned. EXACTLY!! And as they have previous govts. So why is Wingco X putting it all in Labor's lap.... :)

As far as I know they have not been actively (important word that one) campaigning any previous governments, this has been a recent activity, well the last 5 years or so.


In a nut shell ONLY the current government has been actively campagned, there is always the odd whinging, but nothing like this.

Rudd / gillard could have done something about this but they refused, and this gives every right to those being screwed over on the DFRDB pension to be very angry.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Lobo wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:51pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Lobo wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:35pm: I guess Howard must have overlooked the opportunity to re-jig DFRB.... Nah!!! That couldn't be possible.....Could it?? :) Sh1t why don't we blame whitlam for not reviewing the DFRDB when he had the chance as well. Service members have been actively campaigning the CURRENT government for the last few years and the CURRENT government has chosen to ignore them; that is why howard, keating, hawke, fraser and whitlam have not been mentioned. EXACTLY!! And as they have previous govts. So why is Wingco X putting it all in Labor's lap.... :) As far as I know they have not been actively (important word that one) campaigning any previous governments, this has been a recent activity, well the last 5 years or so. In a nut shell ONLY the current government has been actively campagned, there is always the odd whinging, but nothing like this. Rudd / gillard could have done something about this but they refused, and this gives every right to those being screwed over on the DFRDB pension to be very angry.

Sure about that, BigOl??

I distinctly remember being involved in discussions with my RSL President more than 20 years ago regarding Service Pensions, and what action the RSL was pursuing with the govt in that regard.

Red would know the Pres I am talking about, right Red???

:)

It was LABOR that f......d over the Defence Forces Retirement Fund you wankers.

Lobo wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:59pm: Lobo wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:51pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Lobo wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:35pm: I guess Howard must have overlooked the opportunity to re-jig DFRB.... Nah!!! That couldn't be possible.....Could it?? :) Sh1t why don't we blame whitlam for not reviewing the DFRDB when he had the chance as well. Service members have been actively campaigning the CURRENT government for the last few years and the CURRENT government has chosen to ignore them; that is why howard, keating, hawke, fraser and whitlam have not been mentioned. EXACTLY!! And as they have previous govts. So why is Wingco X putting it all in Labor's lap.... :) As far as I know they have not been actively (important word that one) campaigning any previous governments, this has been a recent activity, well the last 5 years or so. In a nut shell ONLY the current government has been actively campagned, there is always the odd whinging, but nothing like this. Rudd / gillard could have done something about this but they refused, and this gives every right to those being screwed over on the DFRDB pension to be very angry. Sure about that, BigOl?? I distinctly remember being involved in discussions with my RSL President more than 20 years ago regarding Service Pensions, and what action the RSL was pursuing with the govt in that regard. Red would know the Pres I am talking about, right Red??? :)

That would be the odd whingy bit that I mentioned in my post.


DFRDB has always been crap, but nothing as bad as it is now, hence the bigger campaigns. They we bleating back in my day to, but nothing major.


To justify rudd's inaction by stating that none of the previous PM did anything too is a p1ss weak argument. Rudd's in charge now and he has the abiility to do something and he won't, plain and simple.


All's I can say Im glad I didn't get sucked into the DFRDB sh1t fight, vet affairs is crap enough for me.

Hey, incidentally are all you Labor boys and girls enjoying Rudd reaming your kids savings accounts to pay the bills he can't pay?

Guess the Defence Forces aren't the only ones feeling the pinch of the Grim Reaper Rudd. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Howard used to borrow one of the F111's to drop his mate borg off at the shops.

I chuckled at that!!!

That would be the odd whingy bit that I mentioned in my post.


DFRDB has always been crap, but nothing as bad as it is now, hence the bigger campaigns. They we bleating back in my day to, but nothing major.


To justify rudd's inaction by stating that none of the previous PM did anything too is a p1ss weak argument. Rudd's in charge now and he has the abiility to do something and he won't, plain and simple.


All's I can say Im glad I didn't get sucked into the DFRDB sh1t fight, vet affairs is crap enough for me.
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I'm know the people involved at the time didn't regard their campaign as 'nothing major'.

But, and it's still a 'but', should Abbott win out at the coming election, don't expect any great changes.

And if/when they don't happen, we wont go back and blame Rudd, will we???

;)

Lobo wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

That would be the odd whingy bit that I mentioned in my post. DFRDB has always been crap, but nothing as bad as it is now, hence the bigger campaigns. They we bleating back in my day to, but nothing major. To justify rudd's inaction by stating that none of the previous PM did anything too is a p1ss weak argument. Rudd's in charge now and he has the abiility to do something and he won't, plain and simple. All's I can say Im glad I didn't get sucked into the DFRDB sh1t fight, vet affairs is crap enough for me. -------------- I'm know the people involved at the time didn't regard their campaign as 'nothing major'. But, and it's still a 'but', should Abbott win out at the coming election, don't expect any great changes. And if/when they don't happen, we wont go back and blame Rudd, will we??? ;)

Yeah, I tend to blame the fvckwit in charge and at the moment it is rudd, so he can wear it.

I have no doubt those people thought is was a decent campaign, but as usual very little media, partly because civvies don't give a bugger about anything other than parades and fly pasts and media cares even less.

And if the people don't care the government don't care, add to that the ex-servicemen don't tend to kick up a stink.


You know why reffos get all the attention / money, is because there is nothing they are not willing to do to get noticed.



So no, your freind's campaign was really nothing major, and prolly ignored by all who shouldn't.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

Lobo wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 3:41pm: That would be the odd whingy bit that I mentioned in my post. DFRDB has always been crap, but nothing as bad as it is now, hence the bigger campaigns. They we bleating back in my day to, but nothing major. To justify rudd's inaction by stating that none of the previous PM did anything too is a p1ss weak argument. Rudd's in charge now and he has the abiility to do something and he won't, plain and simple. All's I can say Im glad I didn't get sucked into the DFRDB sh1t fight, vet affairs is crap enough for me. -------------- I'm know the people involved at the time didn't regard their campaign as 'nothing major'. But, and it's still a 'but', should Abbott win out at the coming election, don't expect any great changes. And if/when they don't happen, we wont go back and blame Rudd, will we??? ;) Yeah, I tend to blame the fvckwit in charge and at the moment it is rudd, so he can wear it. I have no doubt those people thought is was a decent campaign, but as usual very little media, partly because civvies don't give a bugger about anything other than parades and fly pasts and media cares even less. And if the people don't care the government don't care, add to that the ex-servicemen don't tend to kick up a stink. You know why reffos get all the attention / money, is because there is nothing they are not willing to do to get noticed. So no, your freind's campaign was really nothing major, and prolly ignored by all who shouldn't.

I agree that there was 'very little media', but that's the way things were done then.

My 'freind's campaign', as you call it, involved the whole RSL movement.

But anyway, as you said, you didn't get involved in the sh!tfight and that's fair enough.
Maybe you should have, and then we mightn't be having this chat.....

:)

I dont think Rudd would have said "I have to be taken on this specific plane".

I think our ADF would have made the decision on the best method of transport.

Verge wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

I dont think Rudd would have said "I have to be taken on this specific plane". I think our ADF would have made the decision on the best method of transport.

for normal people I would agree.  But it is more than conceivable that Rudd asked specifically for that plane.  His ego is after all enormous and his desire to impress anyone and everyone is equa;;y huge.

Keating was a egotist but compared to Rudd looks more like Mother Theresa.

Verge wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

I dont think Rudd would have said "I have to be taken on this specific plane". I think our ADF would have made the decision on the best method of transport.

Exactly right...
And let's face it, if his ego was one quarter as large as some would suggest, he would not have decided on that plane........

:)