The media rarely allow non leftists to win
election debates, no matter what, the biased
media will say that their love child castrati Rudd
has won the debate.

It wouldn't matter if castrati Rudd didn't say a word, because
this country is so full of leftist media the conclusion would always be castrati won....

So who do you think won or will win this election debate ?

We don't know who will win it, as it hasn't happened yet.  We do know Mr Rudd, is very good at debates.  Didn't he win the debate with Mr Howard, in 2007?.      :)    

wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

We don't know who will win it, as it hasn't happened yet.  We do know Mr Rudd, is very good at debates.  Didn't he win the debate with Mr Howard, in 2007?.      :)

That was thanks to media bias

David speed is moderating this one

He is so besotted with Rudd castrati
that it will be almost impossible for him
to be effective due to the amount of drool
coming out of his mouth

Rupert Murdoch...by a country mile  :D

Rudd will win the debate up against peanut brain:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk

Merlin wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

The media rarely allow non leftists to win election debates, no matter what, the biased media will say that their love child castrati Rudd has won the debate. It wouldn't matter if castrati Rudd didn't say a word, because this country is so full of leftist media the conclusion would always be castrati won.... So who do you think won or will win this election debate ?

So, you think the Murdock press back Rudd?

Oh & btw, you don't need to be a magician to know that whoever wins the short term Political debate/election, it will the whole OZ Public who lose in the longer term!

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:18pm:

Rudd will win the debate up against peanut brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk

Rudd will win the debate. Abbott is useless on his feet, I'm surprised he agreed to any debates. Abbott's best bet is to STFU, he should win the election if he does.

Most people will be too busy counting how many times Kevni flicks his hair, licks his lips and mentions Abbott to care.  I note that Bolt has set up some app so people can use that "worm" to "judge" for themselves.

I won't be watching it. The less I see and hear from Krudd, the better.

Kevin will easily win the debate but the headlines across Murdochs media empire will be something like
"Tony wipes floor with timid Dudd"
Once Tony sold his arse to the worlds most powerful media mogul it was all over.

Neferti wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Most people will be too busy counting how many times Kevni flicks his hair, licks his lips and mentions Abbott to care.  I note that Bolt has set up some app so people can use that "worm" to "judge" for themselves. I won't be watching it. The less I see and hear from Krudd, the better.

Kevin needs to ask Tony how he keeps the few strands of hair left for his comb over from constantly falling to one side  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Kevin will easily win the debate but the headlines across Murdochs media empire will be something like "Tony wipes floor with timid Dudd" Once Tony sold his arse to the worlds most powerful media mogul it was all over.

Even if Rudd wins the election the Mudoch press will says phoney Tony won.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Kevin will easily win the debate but the headlines across Murdochs media empire will be something like "Tony wipes floor with timid Dudd" Once Tony sold his arse to the worlds most powerful media mogul it was all over.

Bovine faeces.  Murdoch backed Rudd in 2007.

SMELL THE FEAR!

adelcrow wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:33pm:

Kevin needs to ask Tony how he keeps the few strands of hair left for his comb over from constantly falling to one side  ;D

Krudd grows the front "fringe" of his hair to cover the bald receding "island" patch.  Tony is an athlete and wears his hair very short.  You don't want to have to flick the fringe when running or swimming.  ;)

Merlin wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:11am: We don't know who will win it, as it hasn't happened yet.  We do know Mr Rudd, is very good at debates.  Didn't he win the debate with Mr Howard, in 2007?.      :)     That was thanks to media bias David speed is moderating this one He is so besotted with Rudd castrati that it will be almost impossible for him to be effective due to the amount of drool coming out of his mouth

David SPEERS, actually, who is in the employ of Rupert Murdoch - as political editor of SkyNews Australia





Left wing bias ?


You really HAVE resigned yourself to Tony Abbott's utter HUMILIATION !

skippy. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:18pm: Rudd will win the debate up against peanut brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk Rudd will win the debate. Abbott is useless on his feet, I'm surprised he agreed to any debates. Abbott's best bet is to STFU, he should win the election if he does.

Abbott will look silly when he's caught off guard - as usual.

You don't like being defeated in debate do you Bobbythebat1...

Neferti wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Most people will be too busy counting how many times Kevni flicks his hair, licks his lips and mentions Abbott to care.  I note that Bolt has set up some app so people can use that "worm" to "judge" for themselves. I won't be watching it. The less I see and hear from Krudd, the better.

Aww too scared you might change your mind if you hear opposing views?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

skippy. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:27pm:

Rudd will win the debate. Abbott is useless on his feet, I'm surprised he agreed to any debates. Abbott's best bet is to STFU, he should win the election if he does.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:18am: More election debates, the better: Wong August 09, 2013 The Australian LABOR wants as many federal election debates as possible, its campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong says. Senator Wong says the conditions of Sunday's debate are still being negotiated, but she says Labor wants more debates than the Liberals have offered. "We are in the cart for as many debates as possible. Kevin Rudd's made that clear," Senator Wong told ABC radio in Melbourne. "He offered to debate Tony Abbott, I think every week, in a number of debates between now and the election. "Mr Abbott's been, I think, somewhat reluctant."      :( The Liberals want Sunday leaders' debate plus two people's forums - one in western Sydney and one in Brisbane. Sunday's debate will be held at the National Press Club at 6.30pm (AEST).    Tony just CAN'T win here REGARDLESS of policy, ideology, vision, credentials, etc. ... He's CRAP at debating Rudd will DEMOLISH him - at every TURN - on every OCCASION But he can't RUN AWAY That'd look WORSE !

Rudd wins coin toss to speak first.      :)
Ninemsm.


With the traditional coin toss to decide speaking order, Labor campaign director George Wright called heads.

And that's what faced up when Press Club chief executive Maurice Reilly tossed the 1939 penny, provided by the former Canberra Services Club.

"We'll bat first," Mr Wright told Liberal campaign director Brian Loughnane.

The debate starts at 6.30pm Sunday with Mr Rudd speaking ahead of Opposition leader Tony Abbott in the hour-long event.      :)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 3:10pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Most people will be too busy counting how many times Kevni flicks his hair, licks his lips and mentions Abbott to care.  I note that Bolt has set up some app so people can use that "worm" to "judge" for themselves. I won't be watching it. The less I see and hear from Krudd, the better. Aww too scared you might change your mind if you hear opposing views? SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Thinks if he doesn't hear them, they don't exist.

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Merlin wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:07am: The media rarely allow non leftists to win election debates, no matter what, the biased media will say that their love child castrati Rudd has won the debate It wouldn't matter if castrati Rudd didn't say a word, because this country is so full of leftist media the conclusion would always be castrati won.... So who do you think won or will win this election debate ? So, you think the Murdock press back Rudd? Oh & btw, you don't need to be a magician to know that whoever wins the short term Political debate/election, it will the whole OZ Public who lose in the longer term!

It only seems Murdoch press is biased because
they are the only ones not working for the
alp, they are the only balanced ones,while
99% of the rest of the media are leftists

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:10pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Most people will be too busy counting how many times Kevni flicks his hair, licks his lips and mentions Abbott to care.  I note that Bolt has set up some app so people can use that "worm" to "judge" for themselves. I won't be watching it. The less I see and hear from Krudd, the better. Aww too scared you might change your mind if you hear opposing views? SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg Thinks if he doesn't hear them, they don't exist.

nefarti just believes in going through life with half the necessary information....

;)

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:10pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Most people will be too busy counting how many times Kevni flicks his hair, licks his lips and mentions Abbott to care.  I note that Bolt has set up some app so people can use that "worm" to "judge" for themselves. I won't be watching it. The less I see and hear from Krudd, the better. Aww too scared you might change your mind if you hear opposing views? SOB Thinks if he doesn't hear them, they don't exist.

Nope.  I will be voting Liberal, regardless of how Tony Abbott goes at a Debate. 

Will watching the Debate make YOU change YOUR mind about voting ALP? :D :P

Lobo wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

nefarti just believes in going through life with half the necessary information.... ;)

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/sloth-yawn-cute.gif

I don't think I have the stomach to watch the debate, watch a TV show starring Rudd and Abbott?, sh#t I'd rather poke me own f#ckin eyes out  ;D

wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

We don't know who will win it, as it hasn't happened yet.  We do know Mr Rudd, is very good at debates.  Didn't he win the debate with Mr Howard, in 2007?.      :)

And Abbott beat Gillard in 2010. Given that neither have debated each other the result is far from a forgone conclusion.

Who cares?

The first candidate in my electorate to give me a Macca's happy meal voucher gets me to the polling booth for the first time in over 17 years.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Who cares? The first candidate in my electorate to give me a Macca's happy meal voucher gets me to the polling booth for the first time in over 17 years.

ah...another whinging loser too pitiful to even vote but happy to complain.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 4:42pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 4:24pm: Who cares? The first candidate in my electorate to give me a Macca's happy meal voucher gets me to the polling booth for the first time in over 17 years. ah...another whinging loser too pitiful to even vote but happy to complain.

Complain?
Labor - I think they've been absolutely hopeless, but nothing they've done has had any real adverse effect on me personally.

Coalition - I hated John Howard with a passion, but nothing the Coalition government did had any real adverse effect on me personally.

I don't really care who is in - it's all a bit of light fluff in the scheme of things - nothing much changes - Tax cuts here, a levy there... sh!t happens that affects other people like refugees, but that isn't me.

Life goes on.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 4:42pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 4:24pm: Who cares? The first candidate in my electorate to give me a Macca's happy meal voucher gets me to the polling booth for the first time in over 17 years. ah...another whinging loser too pitiful to even vote but happy to complain. Complain? Labor - I think they've been absolutely hopeless, but nothing they've done has had any real adverse effect on me personally. Coalition - I hated John Howard with a passion, but nothing the Coalition government did had any real adverse effect on me personally. I don't really care who is in - it's all a bit of light fluff in the scheme of things - nothing much changes - Tax cuts here, a levy there... sh!t happens that affects other people like refugees, but that isn't me. Life goes on.

so why are you here?  this is a politics forum and even being from QLD doesn't fully excuse that inconsistency.

I like reading the histrionics and hyperbole about crap people have little actual control over and in all likelihood hardly effects them at all.

Neferti wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:10pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Most people will be too busy counting how many times Kevni flicks his hair, licks his lips and mentions Abbott to care.  I note that Bolt has set up some app so people can use that "worm" to "judge" for themselves. I won't be watching it. The less I see and hear from Krudd, the better. Aww too scared you might change your mind if you hear opposing views? SOB Thinks if he doesn't hear them, they don't exist. Nope.  I will be voting Liberal, regardless of how Tony Abbott goes at a Debate.  Will watching the Debate make YOU change YOUR mind about voting ALP? :D :P

Well, I hadn't been planning to vote for them either, but I don't know.

It may, or not. I'll at least hear what they have to say first.

Ruddites will say Rudd won. Abbott supporters will say their bloke was the victor.

And Merlin may return from whatever planet he is on.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Ruddites will say Rudd won. Abbott supporters will say their bloke was the victor. And Merlin may return from whatever planet he is on.

and if debating skill and media presentation ability had even diddly squat to do with leadership critieria it might be important.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Ruddites will say Rudd won. Abbott supporters will say their bloke was the victor. And Merlin may return from whatever planet he is on. and if debating skill and media presentation ability had even diddly squat to do with leadership critieria it might be important.

I would have thought being able to argue your case effectively would be essential for any leader.

Interesting that the channel nine worm had Gillard the winner of that debate longy. So did the Sydney morning herald, abc and another major newspaper.

The only source I found that had Abbott win that debate wasthe liberal party website.

I dont think Abbott had the win of that debate in 2010 like you claim longy

Swinging voters determine elections. I think connecting with the voters is important longy because if you don't, and they vote for the other guy then there is little point being a great leader in opposition for another three years

Other than the "Uncle Sam I want you" look - Abbott looks good

Rudd's blue pudgy pasty white skin is sickening

I must admit I was worried for Abbott - but so far so good

The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself.

:D

Maqqa wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

Other than the "Uncle Sam I want you" look - Abbott looks good Rudd's blue pudgy pasty white skin is sickening I must admit I was worried for Abbott - but so far so good

You might need a new TV.

Looks fine, on mine.

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D

You noticed, too?

I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 6:15pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Ruddites will say Rudd won. Abbott supporters will say their bloke was the victor. And Merlin may return from whatever planet he is on. and if debating skill and media presentation ability had even diddly squat to do with leadership critieria it might be important. I would have thought being able to argue your case effectively would be essential for any leader.

a formal debate is not the same thing at all.  leaders can argue a case without charisma, public speaking skills and witty repartee.  public debates like tis are showmanship rather than substance.  The right answer, presented poorly loses while the silver-tongued orator wins based on skill of presentation.  Have you never been in a debate where it was your job to demolish an argument you 100% support?  Have you never seen a debate where the winner was someone defending a lie?

public debates are interesting but they rarely elicit much  truly valuable leadership information.

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word. 

Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm?

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 6:53pm: Other than the "Uncle Sam I want you" look - Abbott looks good Rudd's blue pudgy pasty white skin is sickening I must admit I was worried for Abbott - but so far so good You might need a new TV. Looks fine, on mine.

Damn 75" Samsung LED 3D HD TV

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.  Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm?

I reckon half the trouble with the Right is that they spend altogether too much time playing with their 'worms'...

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.  Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm?

my channel 9 worm is doing the exact opposite.  Rudd opens his mouth to speak and it goes up.

What a great left hook from Abbott  ;D ;D

Rudd was rambling on about the economy

Abbott said "Mr Rudd waffled about this 6 years ago and he's still waffling on today......"

Maqqa wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

What a great left hook from Abbott  ;D ;D Rudd was rambling on about the economy Abbott said "Mr Rudd waffled about this 6 years ago and he's still waffling on today......"

and rudd did NOT like it, did he?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.  Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm? my channel 9 worm is doing the exact opposite.  Rudd opens his mouth to speak and it goes up.

I just flicked over and checked.

You are correct.

What channel you watching, Aussie? I'm on 7.

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:22pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.  Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm? my channel 9 worm is doing the exact opposite.  Rudd opens his mouth to speak and it goes up. I just flicked over and checked. You are correct. What channel you watching, Aussie? I'm on 7.

the worm was pretty ordinary but that's all it ever is.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.  Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm? my channel 9 worm is doing the exact opposite.  Rudd opens his mouth to speak and it goes up.

Just goes to show the worm is worth nothing, and ought be given the boot except in closely controlled and measured circumstances. 

I noticed when same sex marriage was discussed by Rudd there was a 70% dislike, and yet last years Galaxy Poll on the issue showed there was 65% popular support for the concept.

:D


(I was watching 7, and surfed between that and the ABC.)

according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner.

I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.  Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm? my channel 9 worm is doing the exact opposite.  Rudd opens his mouth to speak and it goes up.

NOTED !

And CH7 IS the mirrored result

( ... I think "the worm" can be discarded)


So WHO declares the "official winner" ?

Both candidates pitched to the wealthy ruling class on the far right wing, neither had a progressive vision of equality for Australias future...I was very disappointed...

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that.

Either you watched a different debate, or you're delusional.

I watched this on 10 and they had a beleivability percentage rating from the public. Abbotts never got out of the 40's while Rudds never went out of the 50's and reached 60 percent at one stage. Abbott looked like a deer caught in the headlights most of the time and really showed that he was an intellectual lightwieght. Rudd demolished him, totally.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner.

Not according to the audience, though.

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

I noticed when same sex marriage was discussed by Rudd there was a 70% dislike, and yet last years Galaxy Poll on the issue showed there was 65% popular support for the concept.

Please hide that startling fact from Greens_Win. He/she is certain that same sex marriage trumps health care, care for the aged, homelessness, education and all other unimportant things.

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

matty wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:33pm: I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that. Either you watched a different debate, or you're delusional.

David Speers ran it, and has called abbott the winner. As have Kieran Gilbert, Andrew Bolt, and none other than Laurie Oakes.

Also, Rudd read from notes, a big no no.

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Both candidates pitched to the wealthy ruling class on the far right wing, neither had a progressive vision of equality for Australias future...I was very disappointed...

This.


matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that.

Of course you are, cheerleaders don't get to choose which team they barrack for on the night.

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that.

Well if he wins the election just like he "won" that debate then we will be looking at Rudd as PM.

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:32pm: according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner. Not according to the audience, though.

I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott.

The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority.

Its a shame that in a right wing bourgeoisie middle class dictatorship that we have no progressive social democratic voice in our political debate on a night like this...

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

matty wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:33pm: I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that. Either you watched a different debate, or you're delusional.

Laurie Oakes thinks Abbott won.  I think he is more informed than you.

CW -
Quote:

.........progressive social democratic ......

I recall rudd using a similar gobbledogook like that when pretending he was howard lite.

ian wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

I watched this on 10 and they had a beleivability percentage rating from the public. Abbotts never got out of the 40's while Rudds never went out of the 50's and reached 60 percent at one stage. Abbott looked like a deer caught in the headlights most of the time and really showed that he was an intellectual lightwieght. Rudd demolished him, totally.

Yes - Rudd clearly won.

Abbott had talk about building a stronger Australia but no details.
Rudd was full of waffle about what?

The whole debate was disappointing.

Michael Kroger, Kieran Gilbert, David Speers, Andrew Bolt and the great Laurie Oakes have all said that Abbott won.

A snap channel 7 poll says 68-32 to Abbott.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:22pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:03pm: The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself. :D You noticed, too? I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.  Poor old manipulated worm.  Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm? my channel 9 worm is doing the exact opposite.  Rudd opens his mouth to speak and it goes up. NOTED ! And CH7 IS the mirrored result ( ... I think "the worm" can be discarded) So WHO declares the "official winner" ?

the worm is always pretty pointless.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

CW - Quote: .........progressive social democratic ...... I recall rudd using a similar gobbledogook like that when pretending he was howard lite.

so progressive social democrat and liberal democrat are meaningless concepts to you on your radar of semantics and intellectual reductionism...?

More money should have been promised to boat people.

salad in wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:32pm: I noticed when same sex marriage was discussed by Rudd there was a 70% dislike, and yet last years Galaxy Poll on the issue showed there was 65% popular support for the concept. Please hide that startling fact from Greens_Win. He/she is certain that same sex marriage trumps health care, care for the aged, homelessness, education and all other unimportant things.

I better add.....that was the Ch. 7 worm.

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:32pm: according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner. Not according to the audience, though. I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott. The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority.

Sky, 9 and 7 aren't independant, impartial news vendors.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

More money should have been promised to boat people.

promised to do what to the illegals ?

Sink them would suit me

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories).

Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling.

Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:50pm: More money should have been promised to boat people. promised to do what to the illegals ? Sink them would suit me

The welfare of boat people trumps that of Australians.

the studio audience looked pretty much like a collection of 35s and unders.  Hardly a balanced group.

Rudd certainly didnt win.  I think it was more of a draw and Rudd needed far more to get any momentum. 

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:32pm: according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner. Not according to the audience, though. I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott. The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority.

Only the rusted-on leftards on this Forum think Krudd won.  Tony Abbott thrashed him and without referring to notes as Krudd did, the cheat!

WELL DONE TONY!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories). Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling. Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said.  Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out.  He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim.

I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

Kevin Rudd won it.

Not by any real knockout blow though.

I absolutely expected him to, he is a more polished orator in front of the camera and an audience.

Probably worth pointing out Turnbull would have wiped the floor with both of them but we don't have that choice.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Rudd certainly didnt win.  I think it was more of a draw and Rudd needed far more to get any momentum.

I agree that it was more important for Rudd to win than Abbott, but I think that it was a clear Abbott win. Rudd looked to be lacking in confidence and out of sorts. Above all, he looked fake, and had to read from notes. Abbott didn't take notes, look confident and fresh.

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:54pm: Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories). Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling. Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight. I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said.  Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out.  He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim. I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

Abbott has repeatedly said there wil be no GST change and that any such things in the future will be taken to an election.

And this from the party that said unequivocally that there would be no carbon tax!

Neferti wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

matty wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:32pm: according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner. Not according to the audience, though. I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott. The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority. Only the rusted-on leftards on this Forum think Krudd won.  Tony Abbott thrashed him and without referring to notes as Krudd did, the cheat! WELL DONE TONY!

Exactly. And if David speers and Laurie Oakes are calling an Abbott win, then that says a lot.

suddenly all the laborites have gone.... I guess they realise they lost the debate... finally.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 8:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:54pm: Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories). Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling. Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight. I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said.  Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out.  He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim. I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation. Abbott has repeatedly said there wil be no GST change and that any such things in the future will be taken to an election. And this from the party that said unequivocally that there would be no carbon tax!

... and the party that has been promising a surplus but failing to deliver anything but record deficits almost from the dawn of time!  ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

suddenly all the laborites have gone.... I guess they realise they lost the debate... finally.

Well that's wrong because they didn't.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 8:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 8:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:54pm: Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories). Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling. Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight. I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said.  Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out.  He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim. I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation. Abbott has repeatedly said there wil be no GST change and that any such things in the future will be taken to an election. And this from the party that said unequivocally that there would be no carbon tax! ... and the party that has been promising a surplus but failing to deliver anything but record deficits almost from the dawn of time!  ;D ;D ;D

Sooooo.....we aren't discussing the debate any longer.  Okay, I understand.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:53pm: Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:50pm: More money should have been promised to boat people. promised to do what to the illegals ? Sink them would suit me The welfare of boat people trumps that of Australians.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:54pm: Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories). Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling. Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight. I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said.  Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out.  He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim. I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

Increasing taxation is one thing, talking about changing the GST is entirely something else. Rudd whines about not having enough money. Part of it is because he spends it faster than he gets it, but a big part of it is his handouts and tax cuts. He's like the drunk with a beer bottle - he slurps it down quickly and then wonders why there's none left. You can't lower taxes and then whine about not having enough money to pay for your plans - especially when you've got a debt fast approaching $300bn. Unfortunately, you either have to cut services or raise taxes to pay off the debt, or a combination of the two. Simply continuing spending and cutting taxes will result in you digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 8:18pm: suddenly all the laborites have gone.... I guess they realise they lost the debate... finally. Well that's wrong because they didn't.

How so? Laurie Oakes and David Speers beg to differ.

No one expected Abbott to win - they expect Rudd clearly dominate Abbott

They expect a victory tonight would re-invigorate their campaign

When that didn't eventuate - the lefties are left milling around wondering what happened

From Abbott's point of view - he knows he can keep up with Rudd in the personality stakes.

From Rudd's point of view - he might have realised he's not all that. If not the next debate will be see Abbott edge ahead even further

I thought Rudd just won a very boring debate but failed to make the impression he was hoping for.....I would like to see the debate about the parties varying policies and how they will affect the nations future.....Without policies there is nothing to debate IMO!!!

::) ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

I noticed when same sex marriage was discussed by Rudd there was a 70% dislike, and yet last years Galaxy Poll on the issue showed there was 65% popular support for the concept. :D (I was watching 7, and surfed between that and the ABC.)

Did anyone notice how the CH9 "worm" went on THIS one ?

( ... I'm guessing the opposite ?)



... and given the 9 and 7 "worms" were at EXTREME opposites - at any given moment - I'll stick my neck out and say BOTH studio audiences were "stacked"


Nine = ALP       Seven = LibNats



( ... is there ANOTHER explanation ?)

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:32pm: I noticed when same sex marriage was discussed by Rudd there was a 70% dislike, and yet last years Galaxy Poll on the issue showed there was 65% popular support for the concept. :D (I was watching 7, and surfed between that and the ABC.) Did anyone notice how the CH9 "worm" went on THIS one ? ( ... I'm guessing the opposite ?) ... and given the 9 and 7 "worms" were at EXTREME opposites - at any given moment - I'll stick my neck out and say BOTH studio audiences were "stacked" Nine = ALP       Seven = LibNats ( ... is there ANOTHER explanation ?)

Yes.

Longie brought it to my attention, and I checked.

Almost the exact opposite reaction to that of 7.

which liberal democrat clone did you think won the dictatorships meaningless debate? ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 8:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 8:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:54pm: Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories). Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling. Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight. I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said.  Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out.  He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim. I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation. Abbott has repeatedly said there wil be no GST change and that any such things in the future will be taken to an election. And this from the party that said unequivocally that there would be no carbon tax! ... and the party that has been promising a surplus but failing to deliver anything but record deficits almost from the dawn of time!  ;D ;D ;D

And that's the end of any institutions economic credibility.
To forecast a deficit and get one is ok.
To repeatedly forecast surpluses but miss them is bad.
It ain't rocket science folks.

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

which liberal democrat clone did you think won the dictatorships meaningless debate? ::)

better than the sh1thead leader of the Greens sitting in the audience

we watched channel 9 and turned it off 20 mins in.

Abbott still didn't give too much away.

Watching the worm, we were completely gob smacked, the worm controller's agreeing with Dudd's bullshyte salesman replies which didn't answer the questions.

Did anyone hear Dudd saying "as the weather gets worse it makes climate change worse". What the?

Can those saying that Rudd won please give their reasons? I've said why I though that Abbott won.

Rudd won car salesman of the year!

Abbott won most improved speaker of the week.

They both lost on answering questions. Makes me think the next debate will be a waste of my time and electricity.

De-registered User wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Rudd won car salesman of the year! Abbott won most improved speaker of the week.

... and in four weeks time the headline you can post will be, "Abbott our new PM following landslide win against Rudd!" :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

De-registered User wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 9:20pm: Rudd won car salesman of the year! Abbott won most improved speaker of the week. ... and in four weeks time the headline you can post will be, "Abbott our new PM following landslide win against Rudd!" :)

I hope so.

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:15pm:

Can those saying that Rudd won please give their reasons? I've said why I though that Abbott won.

Rudd managed to avoid negativity and sloganeering better that Abbott.

Abbott surprisingly failed to neutralise the GST rise thing. As far as I know it's BS, but Rudd made the point that there's no point reviewing anything if you're not going to change it. That sounded convincing and Abbott didn't counter.

Abbott lost on costing. Comprehensively.

Both came over as fakes. Rudd just seemed sightly less so.

# wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

matty wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 9:15pm: Can those saying that Rudd won please give their reasons? I've said why I though that Abbott won. Rudd managed to avoid negativity and sloganeering better that Abbott. Abbott surprisingly failed to neutralise the GST rise thing. As far as I know it's BS, but Rudd made the point that there's no point reviewing anything if you're not going to change it. That sounded convincing and Abbott didn't counter. Abbott lost on costing. Comprehensively. Both came over as fakes. Rudd just seemed sightly less so.

the GST is a desperate ploy that Rudd needs to drop.  Apart from the fact that it isn't working, if he keeps up with he will start to look like a comprehensive liar. It has already been ruled out but unlike Labor who seem quite happy to make unequivocal promises and then break them, the GST WILL be part of a tax review for the parliament AFTER the next one.

Personally I think Rudd looked weak and had his arse handed to him.

Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole.

http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg

Maqqa wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

No one expected Abbott to win - they expect Rudd clearly dominate Abbott They expect a victory tonight would re-invigorate their campaign When that didn't eventuate - the lefties are left milling around wondering what happened From Abbott's point of view - he knows he can keep up with Rudd in the personality stakes. From Rudd's point of view - he might have realised he's not all that. If not the next debate will be see Abbott edge ahead even further

No one expected Abbott to win - they expect Rudd clearly dominate Abbott

You sure ??

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

De-registered User wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 9:20pm: Rudd won car salesman of the year! Abbott won most improved speaker of the week. ... and in four weeks time the headline you can post will be, "Abbott our new PM following landslide win against Rudd!" :)

if rudd blows a temper tantie it will

Grendel wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

Personally I think Rudd looked weak and had his arse handed to him.

agreed
whipped by someone who did a fun run in the morning

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg

Yes - Tony thought it was a boxing match.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg

You really need to get over your unreasonable and unnecessary dislike of Tony Abbott.

De-registered User wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Rudd won car salesman of the year! Abbott won most improved speaker of the week. They both lost on answering questions. Makes me think the next debate will be a waste of my time and electricity.

I'm looking forward to further debates if they happen. These events happen once every three years. They come and go. I don't care if the presentations have low quality. I will watch them and evaluate them. It's nothing personal. I have seen plenty of lacklustre movies, just so I know everything I can possibly know about them.


Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole.

That's just a still-frame snapshot. I wouldn't look too much into it.

De-registered User wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

we watched channel 9 and turned it off 20 mins in. Abbott still didn't give too much away.

Dont you mean he didnt answer many questions? He hasnt stopped his hate campaign on gillard and has just swapped it to rudd and its the wrong strategy. What he needs to do is answer some questions reasonably without abuse and tell us about some policies but we know he isnt going to do that.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:31pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 10:40pm: Personally I think Rudd looked weak and had his arse handed to him. agreed whipped by someone who did a fun run in the morning

Sprintcyclist

The Only time I can recall anything significant coming out of a debate was Howard over Keating, not even sure if that translated into votes as Keating was pretty much toast anyway.

Neferti wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

[quote author=vskis4 link=1376183229/21#21 date=1376199313] nefarti just believes in going through life with half the necessary information.... ;)

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/sloth-yawn-cute.gif
A good comment neferti and quite appropriate.

It was all ONE BIG YAWN!

It was all very predictable & neither Rudd nor Abbott went remotely close to addressing the real issues, in particular the Economic ones, mainly because neither Labor nor Liberal have any idea what the hell is going on and neither would be remotely interested in addressing the underlying Economic issues anyway, because that would interfere with their own "perceived" short term self interests & those short term interests of their supporters!!

Little does either Rudd/Labor or Abbott/Liberal realise that REALITY HAS NO INTEREST IN ANYONE'S SELF INTEREST, REALITY IS ONLY INTERESTED IN REALITY!!!

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg

http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 3:45am:

De-registered User wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 9:14pm: we watched channel 9 and turned it off 20 mins in. Abbott still didn't give too much away. Dont you mean he didnt answer many questions? He hasnt stopped his hate campaign on gillard and has just swapped it to rudd and its the wrong strategy. What he needs to do is answer some questions reasonably without abuse and tell us about some policies but we know he isnt going to do that. SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

'wrong strategy'?  with every poll showing higher numbers fo Abbott and less for Rudd I don't think so.

but then again, you do do stupid most of the time.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:12pm: Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg You really need to get over your unreasonable and unnecessary dislike of Tony Abbott.

http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg[/quote]

You just don't like the facts, you can add blindness to your issues.

Rudd Won the debate.


Quote:

AAP Kevin Rudd may have had a narrow victory in the first leaders' debate but the prime minister's performance was marred by his use of notes, in clear breach of the rules. An average of three commercial television network polls taken after Sunday night's debate favoured Mr Rudd at 51 per cent to 49 per cent for opposition leader Tony Abbott.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rudd-abbott-have-a-debate-draw-20130811-2rq0f.html

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Rudd Won the debate. Quote: AAP Kevin Rudd may have had a narrow victory in the first leaders' debate but the prime minister's performance was marred by his use of notes, in clear breach of the rules. An average of three commercial television network polls taken after Sunday night's debate favoured Mr Rudd at 51 per cent to 49 per cent for opposition leader Tony Abbott. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rudd-abbott-have-a-debate-draw-20130811-2rq0f.html

and in other news.  Labors primary vote dropped by 2%

Guess which figure matters???

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:12pm: Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg

Take a closer look at who is backed up to a wall with no place to go and the little turnip standing there growling 


http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg
http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg[/quote]


Did Abbott Borrow Howards nice blue tie ????

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:12pm: Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg

Which one of these is standing in the 2013 election?

http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg

Actually this was a pity potentially the best Leader we were ever going to have defeated by about the worst leader we ever had.

Newspoll:  Rudd 48 Abbott 52

CLEAR MAJORITY

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:12pm: Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg Which one of these is standing in the 2013 election? Actually this was a pity potentially the best Leader we were ever going to have defeated by about the worst leader we ever had.

so you are a Latham supporter???

you really know how to pick those dudds, don't you?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:07am: Rudd Won the debate. Quote: AAP Kevin Rudd may have had a narrow victory in the first leaders' debate but the prime minister's performance was marred by his use of notes, in clear breach of the rules. An average of three commercial television network polls taken after Sunday night's debate favoured Mr Rudd at 51 per cent to 49 per cent for opposition leader Tony Abbott. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rudd-abbott-have-a-debate-draw-20130811-2rq0f.html and in other news.  Labors primary vote dropped by 2% Guess which figure matters???

dna has his head firmly planted in the sand.,..I thought the whole thing was pretty boring pretty predictable..to be honest.. did anyone hear anything they havent heard before???

I dont think so.. I think the major point made was..

KEVTHECONS.. CHEATING..I THINK THAT MADE A REAL TRUE BLUE LABOR POINT TO BE HONEST..ITS A FACT THEY CHEAT AND THEY DONT EVEN BLUSH EVEN IN FRONT OF ... WELL I DONT KNOW HOW MANY WATCHED.....BUT COME ON ... A PM CHEATING.. :D :D :D :D :D

rudds current predicament reminds me of whitlam in 1975.  there was a groundswell of support following the supposed "injustice" of the dismissal and for a while the labor camp even thought gough mite pull off a win ;) ;)

but the electorate will sober up to kevin. the guys a class 1 wanker, always has been. the more he opens his mouth the more he will confirm this to the electorate.

it could still be a crushing defeat.
i'm just sad swan was benched early. i like chris bowen but the bloke keeps getting passed the poisoned chalice.  explaining gillards border mess and now kevs economics.  poor prick must need prozac

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:12pm: Have a look at the agressive nasty pr1ck leaning into Kevins face. Obviously an ahole. http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg Take a closer look at who is backed up to a wall with no place to go and the little turnip standing there growling  http://drag0nista.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lathamhoward_wideweb__470x3550.jpg http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/11/4652742/spkevtony-20130811183841295245-620x349.jpg

Did Abbott Borrow Howards nice blue tie ????[/quote]



bring out the clowns dna.. so desperate to take the heat off the CHEAT..btw latham apologised well sort of he like all labs.. blamed his wife... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Newspoll:  Rudd 48 Abbott 52 CLEAR MAJORITY

SUCK IT UP LEFTIES....

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Newspoll:  Rudd 48 Abbott 52 CLEAR MAJORITY

As expected not relevant to the question at hand.

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:09am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:07am: Rudd Won the debate. Quote: AAP Kevin Rudd may have had a narrow victory in the first leaders' debate but the prime minister's performance was marred by his use of notes, in clear breach of the rules. An average of three commercial television network polls taken after Sunday night's debate favoured Mr Rudd at 51 per cent to 49 per cent for opposition leader Tony Abbott. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rudd-abbott-have-a-debate-draw-20130811-2rq0f.html and in other news.  Labors primary vote dropped by 2% Guess which figure matters??? dna has his head firmly planted in the sand.,..I thought the whole thing was pretty boring pretty predictable..to be honest.. did anyone hear anything they havent heard before??? I dont think so.. I think the major point made was.. KEVTHECONS.. CHEATING..I THINK THAT MADE A REAL TRUE BLUE LABOR POINT TO BE HONEST..ITS A FACT THEY CHEAT AND THEY DONT EVEN BLUSH EVEN IN FRONT OF ... WELL I DONT KNOW HOW MANY WATCHED.....BUT COME ON ... A PM CHEATING..

You didn't notice that Tony had notes as well ???

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:09am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:07am: Rudd Won the debate. Quote: AAP Kevin Rudd may have had a narrow victory in the first leaders' debate but the prime minister's performance was marred by his use of notes, in clear breach of the rules. An average of three commercial television network polls taken after Sunday night's debate favoured Mr Rudd at 51 per cent to 49 per cent for opposition leader Tony Abbott. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rudd-abbott-have-a-debate-draw-20130811-2rq0f.html and in other news.  Labors primary vote dropped by 2% Guess which figure matters??? dna has his head firmly planted in the sand.,..I thought the whole thing was pretty boring pretty predictable..to be honest.. did anyone hear anything they havent heard before??? I dont think so.. I think the major point made was.. KEVTHECONS.. CHEATING..I THINK THAT MADE A REAL TRUE BLUE LABOR POINT TO BE HONEST..ITS A FACT THEY CHEAT AND THEY DONT EVEN BLUSH EVEN IN FRONT OF ... WELL I DONT KNOW HOW MANY WATCHED.....BUT COME ON ... A PM CHEATING..

You seem to have developed a habit of playing me instead of the topic or the points made ?????


did anyone hear anything they havent heard before???

No not really but I thought it enlightening that the only cut that Abbott committed to was to take money out of the school kids payment.

Typical of the Libs removing affordability from education from those who are struggling .

Two of their favourite targets in one swoop.

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:18am: Newspoll:  Rudd 48 Abbott 52 CLEAR MAJORITY SUCK IT UP LEFTIES....

Newspoll have run a poll on the debate ????

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:18am: Newspoll:  Rudd 48 Abbott 52 CLEAR MAJORITY As expected not relevant to the question at hand.

LOL... the election IS the question.

http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/08/09/4647794/TO-art353-tele-20130809130119840757-300x0.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:26am: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:18am: Newspoll:  Rudd 48 Abbott 52 CLEAR MAJORITY SUCK IT UP LEFTIES.... Newspoll have run a poll on the debate ????

The SMH have...  a good Lefty newspaper.  ;D

Apparently ABBOTT WON!