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Title: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:31pm
New IPCC Report: Climatologists More Certain Global Warming Is Caused By Humans, Impacts Are Speeding Up
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/18/2484711/ipcc-report-more-certain-global-warming-is-caused-by-humans-impacts-speeding-up/ By Joe Romm on August 18, 2013 at 1:13 pm The Fifth — and hopefully final — Assessment Report (AR5) from the UN Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change (IPCC) is due next month. The leaks are already here: Drafts seen by Reuters of the study by the UN panel of experts, due to be published next month, say it is at least 95 percent likely that human activities – chiefly the burning of fossil fuels – are the main cause of warming since the 1950s. That is up from at least 90 percent in the last report in 2007, 66 percent in 2001, and just over 50 in 1995, steadily squeezing out the arguments by a small minority of scientists that natural variations in the climate might be to blame. This is a doubly impressive story since, as we’ve reported, Reuters has slashed climate coverage and pressured reporters to include false balance. Leading climatologists who have seen drafts of the report confirm this story’s accuracy. Of course, nothing in the report should be a surprise to readers of Climate Progress, since the AR5 is just a (partial) review of the scientific literature (see my 12/11 post, It’s “Extremely Likely That at Least 74% of Observed Warming Since 1950″ Was Manmade; It’s Highly Likely All of It Was). The draft AR5 confirms that natural forces played a very small role in warming since 1950, which again means that human activity is highly likely be a source of virtually all of the recent warming. I say the AR5 is a “partial” review that is “hopefully” the last because, like every IPCC report, it is an instantly out-of-date snapshot that lowballs future warming because it continues to ignore large parts of the recent literature and omit what it can’t model. For instance, we have known for years that perhaps the single most important carbon-cycle feedback is the thawing of the northern permafrost. The IPCC’s Fifth Assessment climate models completely ignore it, thereby lowballing likely warming this century. No doubt some in the media will continue to focus on the largely irrelevant finding that the equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) may be a tad lower than expected. In terms of real world warming and its impact on humans, the ECS is a mostly theoretical and oversimplified construct — like the so-called spherical cow. The ECS tells you how much warming you would get IF we started slashing emissions asap and stabilized carbon dioxide concentrations in the air around 550 parts per million (they are currently at 400 ppm, rising over 2 ppm a year, and accelerating) — AND IF there were no slow feedbacks like the defrosting permafrost. The climate however is not a spherical cow. Every climate scientist I’ve spoken to has said we will blow past 550 ppm if we continue to put off action. Indeed, we’re on track for well past 800 ppm. And a 2012 study found that the carbon feedback from the thawing permafrost alone will likely add 0.4°F – 1.5°F to total global warming by 2100. So the alarming disruption in our previously stable, civilization-supporting climate depicted in the top figure is our future. On our current emissions path, the main question the ECS answers is whether 9°F warming happens closer to 2080, 2100, or 2120 — hardly a cause for any celebration. Quite the reverse. Warming beyond 7F is “incompatible with organized global community, is likely to be beyond ‘adaptation’, is devastating to the majority of ecosystems & has a high probability of not being stable (i.e. 4°C [7F] would be an interim temperature on the way to a much higher equilibrium level,” as climate expert Kevin Anderson explains here. Dr. Michael Mann emailed me: Quote:
As for the seeming slowdown in global warming, that turns out to be only true if one looks narrowly at surface air temperatures, where only a small fraction of warming ends up. Arctic sea ice melt has accelerated. Disintegration of the great ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica has sped up. The rate of sea level rise has doubled from last century. Finally, very recent studies of the ocean, which has absorbed the vast majority of the heat, also show global warming has accelerated in the past 15 years. Sadly, the AR5 appears to have stopped considering new scientific findings before the publication of this research. Ocean Heat Content from 0 to 300 meters (grey), 700 m (blue), and total depth (violet) from Ocean Reanalysis System 4. [continued ...] |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:33pm
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Reuters notes that climate scientists are “finding it harder than expected to predict the impact in specific regions in coming decades.” This regional uncertainty is not surprising but still quite alarming. Indeed, it is a key reason adaptation to climate change is so much more difficult and expensive than simply reducing greenhouse gas emissions. After all, if you don’t know where the next super-storm or super-heatwave is going to hit, you pretty much have to prepare everywhere. As a major 2011 study by Sandia National Laboratory concluded, “It is the uncertainty associated with climate change that validates the need to act protectively and proactively.” That study found because of “climate uncertainty as it pertains to rainfall alone, the U.S. economy is at risk of losing” a trillion dollars and 7 million American jobs over the next several decades. On this point, climatologist Kevin Trenberth e-mailed me: Quote:
The point is, we know that many kinds of off-the-charts extreme weather events will get more intense, longer lasting, and more frequent — in fact, they already are. But we don’t know exactly where and when they will hit, which means adaptation requires pretty much everybody, everywhere to plan the worst-case. Just when you think the Jersey shore is very unlikely to be hit by a superstorm, along comes Sandy. I very much doubt the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report will move the needle on climate action because of its inadequacies; because the media has scaled back climate coverage and let go of its best climate reporters; and because the fossil fuel funded disinformation campaign will try to exploit those first two problems to make it seem like this report gives us less to worry about, when it simply underscores what we have known for a quarter-century. Continued inaction on climate change risks the end of modern civilization as we know it. http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/10/14/1009121/science-of-global-warming-impacts-guide/ |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:38pm # wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:31pm:
Good to see some honesty for a change. Not 100%, and only "likely". |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:39pm # wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:33pm:
Did you honestly expect it to last forever? |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by muso on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:45pm
Nothing Is 100% certain but a 95 % certainty is in the domain of facts as far as the layman is concerned. It's also a conservative announcement.
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Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by Ajax on Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:37am
If global warming is speeding up surely we would have notice the effects in the real world.
How much has the temperature risen? How much have oceans risen? How much of the glaciers have melted? Sorry boys computer simulated models are nothing more than a fantasy in comparison to the real world. |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:30pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:38pm:
Good heavens Greggery, if concepts like uncertainty and margin for error confuse you so, can you really be the sceptic you pretend to be? |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:32pm Ajax wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:37am:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:33pm # wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:30pm:
No confusion. None at all. |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:37pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:33pm:
Assertion doesn't make it so. |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:39pm # wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Remember that at your next cult meeting. |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:39pm:
Is a cult generally the majority or a minority. Who is in the majority? |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 20th, 2013 at 6:37pm # wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Apologies. Remember that at your next |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:35pm Ajax wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:37am:
Well it's far colder here this year than it has been for the last 10 years...does that count?? (cue all the usual suspects ranting that climate change includes cold as well as hot) |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 6:37pm:
You do realise that your post is consistent with trolling. |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:41pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:35pm:
You haven't been listening (or drinking the kool-aid), have you? When it's hot, it's (anthropogenic) global warming. When it's cold (or any other weather event whatsoever), it's climate change (caused by humans). And when you don't believe either of these things, you are going out of your way to endanger the lives of your grandchildren and are actively seeking to destroy the earth. Take another sip: |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by Rider on Aug 21st, 2013 at 8:28am Global warming made sea levels FALL in 2010 and 2011 Posted on August 20, 2013 by Steve Milloy | 9 Comments The Register reports: Global warming and climate change are usually thought to mean that world sea levels will rise, perhaps disastrously. But according to US government boffins, in recent times (2010 and 2011, to be precise) phenomena driven by human carbon emissions have actually caused world sea levels to fall. The seas have, of course, been rising steadily as the climate has changed for thousands of years, ever since the end of the last ice age. During the 20th century, according to estimates mostly from erratic tide gauges, sea levels rose by around 1.7mm a year. Since the early 1990s, satellites have also been used to measure sea levels, and by contrast have suggested a steady unchanging rise of about 3mm annually – that is, until 2010. According to a statement issued yesterday by the US National Science Foundation: “For an 18-month period beginning in 2010, the oceans mysteriously dropped by about seven millimeters.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/20/climate_change_made_sea_levels_fall_in_2010_and_2011/ Time the IPCC career money sinks and associated corrupt boffins 'fessed up and retreated from fear based alarmism to secure generous tax payer funded grants and cease obviously circular non productive fields of |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by Chimp_Logic on Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:10pm
There has been short periods (order of 1 to 2 years) over the past century where the sea level has remained constant or even dropped slightly.
There have also been short periods of rapid increase in sea level. What's your point? More importantly, what do you think the general trend is for future sea levels if the CO2 concentration continues to increase in the earths atmosphere and oceans etc? |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by Deathridesahorse on Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:50pm
vested/globalist interests say what?
BOOO !! ::) ::) ::) ::) 8-) |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by Ajax on Aug 24th, 2013 at 12:30pm
Well the IPCC will receive billions of dollars from carbon taxes and ETS systems.
What else would you expect them to say. Wouldn't you do the same if you where going to be rolling around in it. |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 24th, 2013 at 12:34pm # wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:31pm:
"More Certain" ;D |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 12:34pm:
The concept of uncertainty evidently confuses our resident troll. He might like to try "Less uncertain". Uncertainty and margin of error are fundamental to statistical analysis, after all. |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:40pm # wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:39pm:
Are you "more certain" of that? |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:40pm:
You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you? |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:54pm # wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
Are you much more certain of that, or just more certain? Is it "likely" that you're only "95%" more certain? |
Title: Re: IPCC report to say climate impacts are speeding up Post by # on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:54pm:
You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you? |
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