I hope they hang these 3 bastards:


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57599302/aussie-baseball-player-killed-by-bored-okla-teens-police-say/


Quote:

OKLAHOMA CITY An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said. Christopher Lane, who was visiting the town of Duncan, where his girlfriend and her family live, had passed a home where the boys were staying and that apparently led to him being gunned down at random, Police Chief Danny Ford said Monday. Prosecutors charged 15-year-old James Francis Edwards Jr. and 16-year-old Chancey Allen Luna with first-degree murder on Tuesday. Police say the two killed 22-year-old Christopher Lane on Friday to overcome boredom. Under Oklahoma law, anyone who is 15 or older and facing a first-degree murder charge is automatically tried in adult court. Also Tuesday, 17-year-old Michael Dewayne Jones was charged with being an accessory after the fact and with using a vehicle during the discharge of weapon. Jones is charged as a youthful offender but will still have his case heard in adult court.

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/08/20/Chancey-Luna_James-Edwards-Jr_Michael-Jones_620x350_610x344.jpg

Put 'em down like the good-for-nothing dogs they are.

>:( >:(

"Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually).

They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else.

Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face.

FriYAY wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 10:06am:

Put 'em down like the good-for-nothing dogs they are. >:( >:(

Yes -

Hang em and hang em high.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 10:14am:

"Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually). They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else. Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face.

Actually - they do have the death penalty in that State.
The Yanks know what to do with murderers.

Will they have fun masturbating one wonders?

You talk to a jail bird and he tells ya: "All I wanted was a decent conversation: there's only so many times you can..."

And the response from one of the family of the defendants to the reports outside court…

“I’ll kill y’all”

>:(

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 10:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: "Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually). They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else. Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face. Actually - they do have the death penalty in that State. The Yanks know what to do with murderers.

These little thugs won't be executed, bobby.

Under a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, they cannot receive the death penalty because they were under 18 at the time of the crime.

FriYAY wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:12pm:

And the response from one of the family of the defendants to the reports outside court… “I’ll kill y’all” >:(

Yeh, I'm sure that person didn't want to ever find themselves in this position however! Funny, but actually very sad!

Imagine one of your own getting done for killing a person for fun before they had even left high school! I mean, you haven't even had a chance to experience life outside your house and you're looking at the death penalty!

Wait,.. can they even get the death penalty at their age????

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:46pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:12pm: And the response from one of the family of the defendants to the reports outside court… “I’ll kill y’all” >:( Yeh, I'm sure that person didn't want to ever find themselves in this position however! Funny, but actually very sad! Imagine one of your own getting done for killing a person for fun before they had even left high school! I mean, you haven't even had a chance to experience life outside your house and you're looking at the death penalty! Wait,.. can they even get the death penalty at their age????

No.

Roper v. Simmons (2005)

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:56pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:46pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:12pm: And the response from one of the family of the defendants to the reports outside court… “I’ll kill y’all” >:( Yeh, I'm sure that person didn't want to ever find themselves in this position however! Funny, but actually very sad! Imagine one of your own getting done for killing a person for fun before they had even left high school! I mean, you haven't even had a chance to experience life outside your house and you're looking at the death penalty! Wait,.. can they even get the death penalty at their age???? No. Roper v. Simmons (2005)

Oh noes: death by masturbation it is then....   :o :o :o :o  8-)

I'm sure they will ask to be killed at some point!  :D :D :D :D

** Sorry,... I'm a sicko like the rest of us: oops!

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/chancey-babydrake-luna/

One Response to Chancey BabyDrake Luna
David Forward says:
August 20, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Well, at least in prison the sick SOB will draw some rave reviews for wearing his pants low trolling for other perverts. May he rot in hell (prison) for the rest of his natural life, and enjoy his eternal home in the hereafter where other “enlightened” and poor misunderstood perverts will “join” him (in a Biblical sense)…He’s about to find out what being BORED — like a cheap sewer line being reamed — is really all about.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: "Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually). They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else. Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face. Actually - they do have the death penalty in that State. The Yanks know what to do with murderers. These little thugs won't be executed, bobby. Under a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, they cannot receive the death penalty because they were under 18 at the time of the crime.

They said on the ABC news that they can get the death penalty.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 4:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: "Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually). They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else. Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face. Actually - they do have the death penalty in that State. The Yanks know what to do with murderers. These little thugs won't be executed, bobby. Under a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, they cannot receive the death penalty because they were under 18 at the time of the crime. They said on the ABC news that they can get the death penalty.

I'm no expert on draconian US laws, however, I believe that "Roper v. Simmons (2005)" will prevent them from being executed.

I could be wrong, but that's very unlikely   ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 4:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 4:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: "Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually). They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else. Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face. Actually - they do have the death penalty in that State. The Yanks know what to do with murderers. These little thugs won't be executed, bobby. Under a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, they cannot receive the death penalty because they were under 18 at the time of the crime. They said on the ABC news that they can get the death penalty. I'm no expert on draconian US laws, however, I believe that "Roper v. Simmons (2005)" will prevent them from being executed. I could be wrong, but that's very unlikely   ;)

We'll see.
They all look retarded to me:

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/08/20/Chancey-Luna_James-Edwards-Jr_Michael-Jones_620x350_610x344.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 4:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 4:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 4:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: "Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually). They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else. Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face. Actually - they do have the death penalty in that State. The Yanks know what to do with murderers. These little thugs won't be executed, bobby. Under a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, they cannot receive the death penalty because they were under 18 at the time of the crime. They said on the ABC news that they can get the death penalty. I'm no expert on draconian US laws, however, I believe that "Roper v. Simmons (2005)" will prevent them from being executed. I could be wrong, but that's very unlikely   ;) We'll see. They all look retarded to me: http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/08/20/Chancey-Luna_James-Edwards-Jr_Michael-Jones_620x350_610x344.jpg

I'd rather not look at them.

But, yes.  Let's see if they use that as a defense.

Yes they might get off:

not guilty by reason of being retarded!


http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/08/20/Chancey-Luna_James-Edwards-Jr_Michael-Jones_620x350_610x344.jpg

FriYAY wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:12pm:

And the response from one of the family of the defendants to the reports outside court… “I’ll kill y’all” >:(

Another family destroyed by welfare, or in this case two.  ::)

In the United States of America - due to a gun culture Australians will never understand - you are FIFTEEN TIMES more likely to be SHOT, WOUNDED or KILLED than you would in our homeland

Does the Federal Government website http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/United_States_of_America warn you of this statistic ?

NO



HERE'S a thought ...

Tim Fischer, Australian Politician, Urges Boycott Of U.S. Following Christopher Lane Shooting Death
The Huffington Post 
08/20/2013 4:47 pm EDT


An Australian politician has urged tourists from that country to boycott the United States in response to the shooting death of Melbourne baseball player Christopher Lane.

Tim Fischer, who served as deputy prime minister under John Howard from 1996 to 1999, urged Australians not to travel to the United States.

He said that such a boycott would send a message about the need for tighter gun control regulations in the United States, according to News.com.au.

"I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers (but) it's a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA," Fischer said this week. "This is the bitter harvest and legacy of the policies of the NRA..."

As deputy prime minister, Fisher led Australia's gun control reforms in the late '90s alongside Howard

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/tim-fischer-boycott-us-christopher-lane_n_3786687.html

There are three of them : Which one was last in the pecking order?

He's probably the one that pulled the trigger.

It's quite possible that two of these kids had no intention of anyone getting shot.

I would interrogate them very thoroughly to see who actually pulled the trigger, and if this shooting of a person was a surprise to the ones who didn't pull the trigger.

Did they all agree to shoot someone for the hell of it, or did one of them do this on an impulse?

The bigger the crime, the more the obligation on the part of the investigators to make sure no one hangs for another's actions.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Does the Federal Government website http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/United_States_of_America warn you of this statistic ? NO

You are joking aren't you?
Are you telling the rest of us that you wouldn't be aware of the dangers of American gun culture if you were to visit over there? Indeed we did and do understand it.Thats why we went about outlawing guns after Tasmania.Or weren't you around to learn that terrible lesson that we never wan't to have to learn again?
America is sick.The rest of the world are aware of it but unfortunately we are not the patient.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

I would interrogate them very thoroughly to see who actually pulled the trigger ...

I think the thug who pulled the trigger actually walked into a police station and admitted what he had done.

I could be wrong, but I think I heard that on a news report in the very early hours of this morning (was half asleep).

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

There are three of them : Which one was last in the pecking order? He's probably the one that pulled the trigger. It's quite possible that two of these kids had no intention of anyone getting shot. I would interrogate them very thoroughly to see who actually pulled the trigger, and if this shooting of a person was a surprise to the ones who didn't pull the trigger. Did they all agree to shoot someone for the hell of it, or did one of them do this on an impulse? The bigger the crime, the more the obligation on the part of the investigators to make sure no one hangs for another's actions.

Contentious point: firstly I could say they probably all knew a gun was in the equation. It would be my guess that if they all knew a gun was in the equation then the leniency won't be great...

I actually feel really nervous about what is going to happen to these little tryhards: sure- they messed up but it's just doing my head in the torture they are about to receive either way!

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:57pm: I would interrogate them very thoroughly to see who actually pulled the trigger ... I think the thug who pulled the trigger actually walked into a police station and admitted what he had done. I could be wrong, but I think I heard that on a news report in the very early hours of this morning (was half asleep).

wow...  ::) imagine coming to that conclusion that it might be better to fess up like bugger jebus!!  :-? :-? :-? :-?  :(

brumbie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 6:34pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:46pm: Does the Federal Government website http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/United_States_of_America warn you of this statistic ? NO You are joking aren't you? Are you telling the rest of us that you wouldn't be aware of the dangers of American gun culture if you were to visit over there? Indeed we did and do understand it.Thats why we went about outlawing guns after Tasmania.Or weren't you around to learn that terrible lesson that we never wan't to have to learn again? America is sick.The rest of the world are aware of it but unfortunately we are not the patient.

I think it's a good point: the tourist dollar may need to be hit! Official messages speak volumes!

Well done to buzz I say for pointing this out!

  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

There are three of them : Which one was last in the pecking order? He's probably the one that pulled the trigger. It's quite possible that two of these kids had no intention of anyone getting shot. I would interrogate them very thoroughly to see who actually pulled the trigger, and if this shooting of a person was a surprise to the ones who didn't pull the trigger. Did they all agree to shoot someone for the hell of it, or did one of them do this on an impulse? The bigger the crime, the more the obligation on the part of the investigators to make sure no one hangs for another's actions.

But then the public would miss out on a trio of hangees.

Rule 303 comes to mind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaAQsxAQYHg

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: "Good-for-nothing dogs"?  Yep, they certainly are (probably a bit unfair to dogs, actually). They won't be executed though bobby.  You'll have to satisfy your bloodlust somewhere else. Life imprisonment, or life without parole is the maximum they'll face. Actually - they do have the death penalty in that State. The Yanks know what to do with murderers. These little thugs won't be executed, bobby. Under a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, they cannot receive the death penalty because they were under 18 at the time of the crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ZxdSXTLx8

Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Another family destroyed by welfare, or in this case two.  ::)

Welfare? The US doesn't have welfare - not as we know it in Australia. For example, unemployment benefits are only paid for 6 months, and only for a person who lost a job through no fault of their own.

Payments to families last only two years, and there is a lifetime maximum of five years.


THe US has nearly 50 million people living in poverty - they have a higher percentage of people living in poverty than Indonesia!

The US also has a very high number of people incarcerated for property crimes.

The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world at 716 per 100,000.

Australia has a much lower rate 130 per 100,000.

True Colours wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:38pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:44pm: Another family destroyed by welfare, or in this case two.  ::) Welfare? The US doesn't have welfare - not as we know it in Australia. For example, unemployment benefits are only paid for 6 months, and only for a person who lost a job through no fault of their own. Payments to families last only two years, and there is a lifetime maximum of five years. THe US has nearly 50 million people living in poverty - they have a higher percentage of people living in poverty than Indonesia! The US also has a very high number of people incarcerated for property crimes. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world at 716 per 100,000. Australia has a much lower rate 130 per 100,000.

Your stupidity knows no ends.

Do you understand what is meant by poverty?

Quantum wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:44pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:38pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:44pm: Another family destroyed by welfare, or in this case two.  ::) Welfare? The US doesn't have welfare - not as we know it in Australia. For example, unemployment benefits are only paid for 6 months, and only for a person who lost a job through no fault of their own. Payments to families last only two years, and there is a lifetime maximum of five years. THe US has nearly 50 million people living in poverty - they have a higher percentage of people living in poverty than Indonesia! The US also has a very high number of people incarcerated for property crimes. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world at 716 per 100,000. Australia has a much lower rate 130 per 100,000. Your stupidity knows no ends. Do you understand what is meant by poverty?

I understand that in the US (where there is the minimum wage is just $15,000 per year) you can have a full-time job and still live in poverty.

True Colours wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:51pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:44pm: True Colours wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:38pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:44pm: Another family destroyed by welfare, or in this case two.  ::) Welfare? The US doesn't have welfare - not as we know it in Australia. For example, unemployment benefits are only paid for 6 months, and only for a person who lost a job through no fault of their own. Payments to families last only two years, and there is a lifetime maximum of five years. THe US has nearly 50 million people living in poverty - they have a higher percentage of people living in poverty than Indonesia! The US also has a very high number of people incarcerated for property crimes. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world at 716 per 100,000. Australia has a much lower rate 130 per 100,000. Your stupidity knows no ends. Do you understand what is meant by poverty? I understand that in the US (where there is the minimum wage is just $15,000 per year) you can have a full-time job and still live in poverty.

And it is possible to earn a million dollars a year and still be in poverty depending on where the threshold has been set. You can not compare poverty from one nation to another when they are using completely different measurements.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 8:54pm:

I actually feel really nervous about what is going to happen to these little tryhards: sure- they messed up but it's just doing my head in the torture they are about to receive either way!

You do but jest, of course.

If it was three white boys who shot a Negro and were destined for the Big House where the population is mostly boyz from de hood, then they might have something to worry about.

But two blacks and a mulatto 'wasting' a white? 

The defence counsel will plead mitigating circumstances for reasons of ...

1. Their young age.
2. Their borderline-retard IQs.
3. Poor family background .. (yiolence; alcoholism; drug-taking)
4. Remorseful.
5. "Only meant to shoot at his feet to scare him"
6. Two of the three were shocked what the other did.

This last would be my strongest plea to the court.

How many of us have been with a crowd of friends, and one of them does something 'out of the box' that the rest of us disapproves of?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:21pm:

I think the thug who pulled the trigger actually walked into a police station and admitted what he had done.

That in itself will exonerate the other two from sharing the blame.

Why did he give himself up? Was it because the others told him they're not going to collect the blame for what he did?

There's no doubt they were all hooning, but that's not to say that all three shot the jogger.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:57pm: I would interrogate them very thoroughly to see who actually pulled the trigger ... I think the thug who pulled the trigger actually walked into a police station and admitted what he had done. I could be wrong, but I think I heard that on a news report in the very early hours of this morning (was half asleep).

He even did a little dance and had a giggle according to police..

FriYAY wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm:

He even did a little dance and had a giggle according to police..

He'll be jiggling his bum in the communal showers soon enough.

He's going to become some ENORMOUS black muscle-builder's 'punk bitch' for a very long time.

He'll even be made to wear lipstick when he's being rented out to de brudders in de yard for cigarettes and chocolates.  :-*

Police: Australian baseball player killed by 'bored' teens in Oklahoma


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/DonaldDouglas/American/1175064_10153155228985206_374976349_n_zpsd43a6339.jpg


Somehow, inexplicably, race don't matter no more when it's da blacks shooting a white man randomly in the back just coz they are BORED.

Suddenly the race-bating blacks are looking at the floor, shufflin' their feet, nuffin' to say about nuffin'.  A mystery. Musta been da cat that got them tongues. Oh yessum.


Elsewhere in the news, Ophray is all huffin' and puffin' coz some Swiss shop assistant DARED to show her a less expensive handbag (ie costing less that 40 grand.)

It is very difficult to be a black (can I say that?) person in these times.

As I wrote to Karnal:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1373846286/262#262


Quote:

Hi there Karnal, we gots to get ourselves some rope - I reckon 60 foot would be enough - cut into 3, 20 foot pieces & then we gets ourselves ready for a good old time lynching outside the courthouse. I'll bring me some root beer and some hot dogs - we is gunna have ourselves a picnic & a lynchin. These nigras aint getting no trial - they is guilty as hell and we''ll have em swingin in no time. Make sure you bring the kids along - wouldn't want em to miss out.

Soren wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:03pm:

Police: Australian baseball player killed by 'bored' teens in Oklahoma http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/DonaldDouglas/American/1175064_10153155228985206_374976349_n_zpsd43a6339.jpg Somehow, inexplicably, race don't matter no more when it's da blacks shooting a white man randomly in the back just coz they are BORED. Suddenly the race-bating blacks are looking at the floor, shufflin' their feet, nuffin' to say about nuffin'.  A mystery. Musta been da cat that got them tongues. Oh yessum. Elsewhere in the news, Ophray is all huffin' and puffin' coz some Swiss shop assistant DARED to show her a less expensive handbag (ie costing less that 40 grand.) It is very difficult to be a black (can I say that?) person in these times.

What proportion of the mass and serial murderers had dark skin?

Columbine, Oklahoma City, port authur, holland, sandy hook etc etc etc etc etc

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African American?

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What colour skin?

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What colour skin?

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But this isn’t a mass or serial murder, is it.

Anyfknway, WTF does serial killers (look up Af/American serial killers – plenty to find) have to do with 3 bored n*****s killing a white boy, for fun?

What colour skin?

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FriYAY wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:26pm:

But this isn’t a mass or serial murder, is it. Anyfknway, WTF does serial killers (look up Af/American serial killers – plenty to find) have to do with 3 bored n*****s killing a white boy, for fun?

The point is the colour of the skin or racial background of the young men who committed this crime is highlighted by some in here who are pushing their racist wheel barrows again.

I suggest people look into the mass murders and killings committed in western nations and they will see that almost all of them are NOT committed by people with dark skin.

The statistics show that people with paler skin colour are more prone to evil senseless acts on a mass scale than people with dark skin.

Care to explain this statistic?

What skin color?

Henry Louis Wallace Between September of 1992 and March of 1994, Wallace raped and strangled nine young black women in Charolette, North Carolina. They were all people he knew

Carlton Gary The victims were seven white women, the oldest victim was just shy of 90 years old.

Celeophus Prince Jr Between January and September of 1990, he murdered six women in San Diego. He stabbed one of his victims over 50 times and left bloody circles around his victims breasts. This would become his signature. Prince even killed a mother and daughter and bragged about it to a friend

What colour skin?

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FriYAY wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:34pm:

What skin color? Henry Louis Wallace Between September of 1992 and March of 1994, Wallace raped and strangled nine young black women in Charolette, North Carolina. They were all people he knew Carlton Gary The victims were seven white women, the oldest victim was just shy of 90 years old. Celeophus Prince Jr Between January and September of 1990, he murdered six women in San Diego. He stabbed one of his victims over 50 times and left bloody circles around his victims breasts. This would become his signature. Prince even killed a mother and daughter and bragged about it to a friend

Mass murders

What colour skin?

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Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:37pm:

[quote author=Rosco link=1377042517/45#45 date=1377146072]What skin color? Henry Louis Wallace Between September of 1992 and March of 1994, Wallace raped and strangled nine young black women in Charolette, North Carolina. They were all people he knew Carlton Gary The victims were seven white women, the oldest victim was just shy of 90 years old. Celeophus Prince Jr Between January and September of 1990, he murdered six women in San Diego. He stabbed one of his victims over 50 times and left bloody circles around his victims breasts. This would become his signature. Prince even killed a mother and daughter and bragged about it to a friend

Sorry, you didn't answer.

:-?

FriYAY wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:44pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:37pm: [quote author=Rosco link=1377042517/45#45 date=1377146072]What skin color? Henry Louis Wallace Between September of 1992 and March of 1994, Wallace raped and strangled nine young black women in Charolette, North Carolina. They were all people he knew Carlton Gary The victims were seven white women, the oldest victim was just shy of 90 years old. Celeophus Prince Jr Between January and September of 1990, he murdered six women in San Diego. He stabbed one of his victims over 50 times and left bloody circles around his victims breasts. This would become his signature. Prince even killed a mother and daughter and bragged about it to a friend Sorry, you didn't answer. :-?

Are you comparing a serial rapist with a terrorist?

You don't have any other arguments to protect your thesis in public?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:47pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:44pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:37pm: [quote author=Rosco link=1377042517/45#45 date=1377146072]What skin color? Henry Louis Wallace Between September of 1992 and March of 1994, Wallace raped and strangled nine young black women in Charolette, North Carolina. They were all people he knew Carlton Gary The victims were seven white women, the oldest victim was just shy of 90 years old. Celeophus Prince Jr Between January and September of 1990, he murdered six women in San Diego. He stabbed one of his victims over 50 times and left bloody circles around his victims breasts. This would become his signature. Prince even killed a mother and daughter and bragged about it to a friend Sorry, you didn't answer. :-? Are you comparing a serial rapist with a terrorist? You don't have any other arguments to protect your thesis in public?

Are you comparing a terrorist with 3 bored boys that shot an innocent man for fun?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:47pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:44pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:37pm: [quote author=Rosco link=1377042517/45#45 date=1377146072]What skin color? Henry Louis Wallace Between September of 1992 and March of 1994, Wallace raped and strangled nine young black women in Charolette, North Carolina. They were all people he knew Carlton Gary The victims were seven white women, the oldest victim was just shy of 90 years old. Celeophus Prince Jr Between January and September of 1990, he murdered six women in San Diego. He stabbed one of his victims over 50 times and left bloody circles around his victims breasts. This would become his signature. Prince even killed a mother and daughter and bragged about it to a friend Sorry, you didn't answer. :-?

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For me the question is this; would capital punishment deter these sorts of crimes?

I think the certainty of capital punishment would deter potential murderers, but pose an increase in danger to the public when apprehending them. I think most people can agree on the concept of natural justice. We can have a liberal civilisation, with the harshest penalties reserved for the most heinous crimes.

The only reason we don't have that now, is due to the attrition of rich people over time, mitigating the harshest effects of the law upon themselves and their families. Only a very few special interest groups would see any alternative but to take those individuals involved out the back, put them down like dogs and bury them in the woods. Of course if we had proper distribution of resources, the sort of deprivation that leads to this sort of thing could be totally avoided, but that's another story; one of the special interest groups.

I don't think any kind of punishment would deter these kind of people. It is clear that there is something far deeper at play than a lack of fear of punishment.

Three kids kill someone just for the sake of it. I could not even imagine one person being so messed up to do such a thing. But for three of them to all agree to do it is mind blowing. You would think that when the first person suggested such a thing the other two would say "WTF is wrong with you?". But no, they were more than willing to go along with it. Just as amazing is the fact that after they killed the bloke they seemed to do little to avoid the consequences of this action. They just didn't seem to care, and one was apparently finding the whole thing funny whilst being in court. He is looking at spending the rest of his life in gaol, and he finds the whole thing a joke? 

I don't know how the USA is ever going to fix the problems happening these days. There has always been crazy people, but now it is becoming an epidemic. Threat of death, banning guns, stopping violent video games, etc won't do anything. It is almost as if some people are born with some kind of brain mutation that no longer allows them to be human.   

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:59pm:

For me the question is this; would capital punishment deter these sorts of crimes?

It doesn't now.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:59pm: For me the question is this; would capital punishment deter these sorts of crimes? It doesn't now.

Punishments are just that, punishments.

If punishments deterred criminals, then there would be no crime or criminals.

Quantum wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:18pm:

I don't think any kind of punishment would deter these kind of people. It is clear that there is something far deeper at play than a lack of fear of punishment. Three kids kill someone just for the sake of it. I could not even imagine one person being so messed up to do such a thing. But for three of them to all agree to do it is mind blowing. You would think that when the first person suggested such a thing the other two would say "WTF is wrong with you?". But no, they were more than willing to go along with it. Just as amazing is the fact that after they killed the bloke they seemed to do little to avoid the consequences of this action. They just didn't seem to care, and one was apparently finding the whole thing funny whilst being in court. He is looking at spending the rest of his life in gaol, and he finds the whole thing a joke?  I don't know how the USA is ever going to fix the problems happening these days. There has always been crazy people, but now it is becoming an epidemic. Threat of death, banning guns, stopping violent video games, etc won't do anything. It is almost as if some people are born with some kind of brain mutation that no longer allows them to be human.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:59pm: For me the question is this; would capital punishment deter these sorts of crimes? It doesn't now.

But it would still be a line in the sand, even if it operates solely as a garbage disposal mechanism. I have strong feelings about violence though, anyone raising their hand should know full well what to expect. I would rather we had MUCH harsher anti-violence and bullying laws.

But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in.

It's that or allow us to bear arms and defend ourselves, but we have gone too far down the path of totalitarian oppression for that option. So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear, the rich people will never allow true natural justice for their sons 'mistakes'. After all, boys will be boys..

Quantum wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:18pm:

I don't think any kind of punishment would deter these kind of people. It is clear that there is something far deeper at play than a lack of fear of punishment. Three kids kill someone just for the sake of it. I could not even imagine one person being so messed up to do such a thing. But for three of them to all agree to do it is mind blowing. You would think that when the first person suggested such a thing the other two would say "WTF is wrong with you?". But no, they were more than willing to go along with it. Just as amazing is the fact that after they killed the bloke they seemed to do little to avoid the consequences of this action. They just didn't seem to care, and one was apparently finding the whole thing funny whilst being in court. He is looking at spending the rest of his life in gaol, and he finds the whole thing a joke?  I don't know how the USA is ever going to fix the problems happening these days. There has always been crazy people, but now it is becoming an epidemic. Threat of death, banning guns, stopping violent video games, etc won't do anything. It is almost as if some people are born with some kind of brain mutation that no longer allows them to be human.

USA is an anything goes, sink or swim society. The types of unnatural, sub-human conditions many people find themselves in there makes civilisation look like a pipe dream.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in.

The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society.



Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear ..

I don't live in fear.

Most people don't.

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So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear

I don't live in fear.
What are you scared of?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in. The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society. Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear .. I don't live in fear. Most people don't.

You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there.

As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:47pm:

Quote: So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear I don't live in fear. What are you scared of?

The fear that you can be assaulted or intimidated on the whim of a thug and cannot meaningfully defend yourself.

Really?
I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm:

Really? I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted.

How would you feel if you were?

What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them?

I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails.

But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:03pm:

As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

Nor do I know anyone who has been bashed or raped lately.

Hence, I don't live my life in irrational fear.

Fear won't prevent one from becoming a victim.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:27pm:

... you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia.

No.  That's quite simply incorrect.

After the progressive revolution white people won't be allowed to intimidate people any more. Non-white people will be in charge and there'll be no more violence and we'll all live in harmony.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: Really? I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted. How would you feel if you were? What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them? I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails. But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia.

yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then?

Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from?

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:27pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: Really? I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted. How would you feel if you were? What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them? I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails. But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia. yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then? Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from?

You CAN defend yourself, just not with items that are more illegal than the crime the other person is committing..(unless you live in WA, carrying pepper spray in public is an offence).

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:42pm:

..(unless you live in WA, carrying pepper spray in public is an offence).

Yet charging $4.50 for a coffee and $7.50 for a sandwich isn't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 8:11am:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:03pm: As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately. Nor do I know anyone who has been bashed or raped lately. Hence, I don't live my life in irrational fear. Fear won't prevent one from becoming a victim.

No, being prepared to do whatever it takes will though. But this isn't about fear or statistics. It's about being able to meaningfully defend yourself against an assailant without breaking the law. Dismissing that assertion on the basis that you haven't personally been in that situation, is logically flawed. The only thing that might stop a thug is the consideration of the possibility they might die in the process.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 8:13am:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:27pm: ... you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia. No.  That's quite simply incorrect.

Not if you want to meaningfully defend yourself in a 'king hit', gangbashing, opportunistic violence culture.

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:27pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: Really? I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted. How would you feel if you were? What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them? I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails. But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia. yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then? Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from?

In the real world, violence isn't a planned and agreed to thing. One must often act pre-emtively, with weapons of some sort to avoid the worst of it. Waiting to get punched in the face or pushed to the ground before you retaliate too late. Last time I checked, you could only carry a small pen-knife in Australia, which won't help when poo gets real.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:42pm:

... wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:06pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:27pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: Really? I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted. How would you feel if you were? What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them? I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails. But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia. yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then? Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from? You CAN defend yourself, just not with items that are more illegal than the crime the other person is committing..(unless you live in WA, carrying pepper spray in public is an offence).

Lucky I didn't let that stop me, it saved me from a bashing on at least 2 occasions. Oh look, now I'm a criminal.. :(

Judging by the tone of the phone call to emergency services, I can assume that Lane had about 2 minutes of emergency service help delayed by the caller. Not that I am condemning the caller at all. Just that she didn't seem to have a clue as to how serious the shooting was, and how you could bleed out in minutes. The 911 dispatcher didn't seem all that fussed either, but I'm assuming that she did efficiently dispatch an ambulance and police to the scene. But atleast the caller didn't do something like keep walking or assume that the guy was drunk, like some have. So, good on her for that.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 4:33am:

Judging by the tone of the phone call to emergency services, I can assume that Lane had about 2 minutes of emergency service help delayed by the caller. Not that I am condemning the caller at all. Just that she didn't seem to have a clue as to how serious the shooting was, and how you could bleed out in minutes. The 911 dispatcher didn't seem all that fussed either, but I'm assuming that she did efficiently dispatch an ambulance and police to the scene. But atleast the caller didn't do something like keep walking or assume that the guy was drunk, like some have. So, good on her for that.

And what if there was nobody there to ring 911?

Someone collapses on the ground, 911 assumes the worse case scenario.

Unlikely lane would have survived with a shot in a chest even if he was shot in the car park of a major hospital.
   :'(

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Yet charging $4.50 for a coffee and $7.50 for a sandwich isn't.

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It's called corporate capitalism that is pampered and protected by the state welfare system.

This form of fascism is legal.

As long as people don't threaten this tyrannical slave system, everyone can go about their daily routine living as slaves and consumers

You have a problem with this?

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:43am:

... wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:06pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:27pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: Really? I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted. How would you feel if you were? What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them? I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails. But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia. yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then? Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from? In the real world, violence isn't a planned and agreed to thing. One must often act pre-emtively, with weapons of some sort to avoid the worst of it. Waiting to get punched in the face or pushed to the ground before you retaliate too late. Last time I checked, you could only carry a small pen-knife in Australia, which won't help when poo gets real.

Here's a phrase you should memorise:

"I feared for my life and I didn't want to hurt anyone."

Say this, and you won't be seeing court, let alone the inside of a prison cell.  Well, not unless you stop "pre-emptively" attacking people with knives and pepper spray.

Just how many times have you been jumped anyway?  Perhaps you should stay away from those places?

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:41pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in. The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society. Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear .. I don't live in fear. Most people don't. You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there. As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY.

IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!!

MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!!

DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!

  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Cheer up buddy: your Dad was a dick like everyone elses!  8-)

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:43am: ... wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:06pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:27pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: Really? I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted. How would you feel if you were? What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them? I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails. But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia. yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then? Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from? In the real world, violence isn't a planned and agreed to thing. One must often act pre-emtively, with weapons of some sort to avoid the worst of it. Waiting to get punched in the face or pushed to the ground before you retaliate too late. Last time I checked, you could only carry a small pen-knife in Australia, which won't help when poo gets real. Here's a phrase you should memorise: "I feared for my life and I didn't want to hurt anyone." Say this, and you won't be seeing court, let alone the inside of a prison cell.  Well, not unless you stop "pre-emptively" attacking people with knives and pepper spray. Just how many times have you been jumped anyway?  Perhaps you should stay away from those places?

Wrong, what you need to do to defend yourself in the real world is often more than the law would deem necessary, depending on the mental state of your assailant. You are looking at unlawful wounding charges at a minimum, if you are serious about minimising your own risk of GBH.

Also, your last comment is a logical fallacy. ::)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:41pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in. The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society. Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear .. I don't live in fear. Most people don't. You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there. As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately. WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY. IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!! MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!! DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!   :D :D :D :D :D :D Cheer up buddy: your Dad was a dick like everyone elses!  8-)

I think you need a better translation program, the one you are using now makes what you are typing look like gibberish.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 8:11am: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:03pm: As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately. Nor do I know anyone who has been bashed or raped lately. Hence, I don't live my life in irrational fear. Fear won't prevent one from becoming a victim. No, being prepared to do whatever it takes will though. But this isn't about fear or statistics. It's about being able to meaningfully defend yourself against an assailant without breaking the law. Dismissing that assertion on the basis that you haven't personally been in that situation, is logically flawed. The only thing that might stop a thug is the consideration of the possibility they might die in the process.

Crack smokers are such tryhards!!  ;D ;D

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

Wrong, what you need to do to defend yourself in the real world is often more than the law would deem necessary, depending on the mental state of your assailant. You are looking at unlawful wounding charges at a minimum, if you are serious about minimising your own risk of GBH. Also, your last comment is a logical fallacy. ::)

Sunshine can't empty his cup: MUST be a cracksmoker!  :D :D :D :D :D :D


Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.

Helen Keller


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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, crack makes people paranoid aswell, who would've thought staying up for days with the same losers would do that to ya??

  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

and Winston,... you're drug dealer aint all that buddy and you've actually had moments of clarity about that in the past haven't ya fella??

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Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:41pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in. The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society. Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear .. I don't live in fear. Most people don't. You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there. As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately. WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY. IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!! MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!! DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!   :D :D :D :D :D :D Cheer up buddy: your Dad was a dick like everyone elses!  8-) I think you need a better translation program, the one you are using now makes what you are typing look like gibberish.

==>>well i best start learning to put words together like 'logical fallacy' to impress my crack smoking mates then ay bro!??!  ;) ;)  :o

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:40pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 4:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:41pm: Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in. The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society. Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm: So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear .. I don't live in fear. Most people don't. You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there. As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately. WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY. IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!! MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!! DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!   :D :D :D :D :D :D Cheer up buddy: your Dad was a dick like everyone elses!  8-) I think you need a better translation program, the one you are using now makes what you are typing look like gibberish. ==>>well i best start learning to put words together like 'logical fallacy' to impress my crack smoking mates then ay bro!??!  ;) ;)  :o

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Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 5:16am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 4:33am: Judging by the tone of the phone call to emergency services, I can assume that Lane had about 2 minutes of emergency service help delayed by the caller. Not that I am condemning the caller at all. Just that she didn't seem to have a clue as to how serious the shooting was, and how you could bleed out in minutes. The 911 dispatcher didn't seem all that fussed either, but I'm assuming that she did efficiently dispatch an ambulance and police to the scene. But atleast the caller didn't do something like keep walking or assume that the guy was drunk, like some have. So, good on her for that. And what if there was nobody there to ring 911? Someone collapses on the ground, 911 assumes the worse case scenario. Unlikely lane would have survived with a shot in a chest even if he was shot in the car park of a major hospital.    :'(

I wasn't blaming the caller for Lane's situation. I was talking about the fact that the caller was talking with Lane about the fact that he was shot. I doubt that you could say that Lane wouldn't have survived the shot if he was in the car park of the major hospital. Seems that he could have been stabilised and saved had the call been made sooner.