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US army psychiatrist Major Nidal Hasan, who shot dead 13 people at a Texas army base in 2009, has been convicted on all charges and faces the death penalty. A military jury found Hasan guilty on 13 counts of pre-meditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder. The 42-year-old had admitted the shooting at Fort Hood, saying he attacked unarmed soldiers at a medical building in order to protect Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.

Needless to say, and just as with 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ~ there isn't the slightest chance that Major Nidal Hasan will be executed.

For the same reason that the Americans limited the Nuremberg Trials to only a small fraction of the Nazi war criminals, they will spare these two jihadi Muslims so as not to stir up animosity in their own Muslim community.

That in itself speaks volumes about the ideological idiocy of America's liberal immigration and refugees policy which continues to invite the enemy to come live with them.

The Americans thought it was chic, and sophisticated, and 'progressive' to place this Muslim where he had access to firearms on a base where infidel soldiers were being prepared for transport to go fight Muslims in Afghanistan.

Every family of those 13 killed should be mounting a class action fit to bankrupt the US government for having played Russian Roulette with their loved ones lives while trying to prove how 'tolerant' it was about employing Muslims in sensitive positions.

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Its not the first time a nut job American soldier has gunned down his own.

There all coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan with depression/trauma and a lot of mental and medical problems.

If the US hadn't illegally invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, then Major Nidal Hasan probably wouldn't have done it.

War crime trials for Bush, and Howard!

And Assad?

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:13am:

And Assad?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tQlwsYbCwtk/T_BbTbeCPhI/AAAAAAAADqw/UEtTIVilLg4/s320/hangemhigh.jpg

What war crimes should Howard be charged with, and what do you think would be an appropriate punishment if found guilty?

wally1 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Its not the first time a nut job American soldier has gunned down his own.

Needless to say, although born in the US, Major Nidal Hasan is not even remotely 'an American' any more than the UK-born London Underground suicide bombers were 'English'.

Both my brothers were born in north China of English parents, and needless to say they weren't even remotely 'Chinese'.

Hasan pulled the trigger on behalf of how many other US-based Muslims? How many US-based Muslims sympathised with his action?

How many secret service Internal Defence departments does the US have? The FBI, the CIA ... etc.

It's time America's Geheime Staats Polizei started to sort out the US Muslim community into how each individual rates in loyalty to the international Muslim community ~ and judge from this the strength or weakness of their allegiance to non-Muslim USA.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

What war crimes should Howard be charged with, and what do you think would be an appropriate punishment if found guilty?

Most of Howard's crimes were Peace Time Crimes.

1) Initiated the influx of Negroes for the first time in Australia's history.

2) Brought in more Muslims during his term in office than the past 200 years.

3) Stated publicly that he didn't want to see Australia swamped by Asians ~ but then his resolved failed him, and so he wrote a circular to every Asian family in Australia offering his apology.

The punishment?

Force him to make a public apology on TV to Mainstream Australia.

True Colours wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:13am: And Assad? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tQlwsYbCwtk/T_BbTbeCPhI/AAAAAAAADqw/UEtTIVilLg4/s320/hangemhigh.jpg

Question #2 ..

What should be the fate of the Islamist militias in Syria who are affiliated with known Islamic Extremist organisations?

Hang 'em high?

No?

Why am I not surprised.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:36am: Its not the first time a nut job American soldier has gunned down his own. Needless to say, although born in the US, Major Nidal Hasan is not even remotely 'an American' any more than the UK-born London Underground suicide bombers were 'English'. Both my brothers were born in north China of English parents, and needless to say they weren't even remotely 'Chinese'. Hasan pulled the trigger on behalf of how many other US-based Muslims? How many US-based Muslims sympathised with his action? How many secret service Internal Defence departments does the US have? The FBI, the CIA ... etc. It's time America's Geheime Staats Polizei started to sort out the US Muslim community into how each individual rates in loyalty to the international Muslim community ~ and judge from this the strength or weakness of their allegiance to non-Muslim USA.

If the issue is so dear to you why don't you write a letter to the American military and ask them to kick out 6000 muslims possibly more who are in the American army?

So what do you want us aussies to do about it?

wally1 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

If the issue is so dear to you ...

Official complacency and lazy attitude is what enabled 9/11 and the Major Nidal Hasan massacre.

And then the Boston bombers. Officials knew about them a couple of years before they detonated the bombs.

For as long as political correctness and appeasement to minorities remains official policy ~ then only 'God' can help America.

Despite 'The War on Terror' US official policy still demands that no one at the airports be profiled according to appearance or race.

That in itself loses all sympathy I once had with US officialdom.

If the White House gets blown up into a fine mist of floating dust particles ~ I wouldn't give a sh*t.

The idiocy that warns Customs officials that they risk their jobs if they should profile travelers of Middle Eastern appearance any more than little old blue-rinse ladies  ~ deserves any reasonable persons utter contempt.


wally1 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

why don't you write a letter to the American military and ask them to kick out 6000 muslims possibly more who are in the American army?

Kick them out of the country? Sure, Wally. I'll get onto it right away.


wally1 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

So what do you want us aussies to do about it?

STOP joining America in their off-shore wars.

DON'T get drawn into Syria with military personnel.

BRING all our troops back from the Middle East.

MAKE convictions for planning terrorist acts on Australian soil a hanging offence, with no more than one appeal.

STOP any further Muslim immigration or refugees influx.

DEPORT any first generation immigrant Muslims who attract more than a 12 month sentence.

DEATH PENALTY for importing commercial quantities of illegal drugs.

etc

Political Correctness Gone Mad!

Kill 9 Kids, Don't Get Death penalty



US soldier Robert Bales sentenced to life in jail without parole for Afghan massacre

A decorated US soldier who gunned down 16 unarmed Afghan civilians in a rampage last year has been sentenced to life behind bars without parole.

Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales, a veteran of four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, has admitted to shooting the villagers, mostly women and children, in night-time attacks in Kandahar province in March 2012...

As for Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, it is odd how the US first blamed Bin Laden, then changed their mind at some point and blamed KSM, then decided to kill an unarmed Bin Laden anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbylOmQGt7w&list=PLuk2c4cGMklJdmV3v6ZRoeob2NOZgXydw

True Colours wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

A decorated US soldier who gunned down 16 unarmed Afghan civilians in a rampage last year has been sentenced to life behind bars without parole.

I share your outrage, TC.

He should be put before a military firing squad and executed as a war criminal.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:05pm: If the issue is so dear to you ... Official complacency and lazy attitude is what enabled 9/11 and the Major Nidal Hasan massacre. And then the Boston bombers. Officials knew about them a couple of years before they detonated the bombs. For as long as political correctness and appeasement to minorities remains official policy ~ then only 'God' can help America. Despite 'The War on Terror' US official policy still demands that no one at the airports be profiled according to appearance or race. That in itself loses all sympathy I once had with US officialdom. If the White House gets blown up into a fine mist of floating dust particles ~ I wouldn't give a sh*t. The idiocy that warns Customs officials that they risk their jobs if they should profile travelers of Middle Eastern appearance any more than little old blue-rinse ladies  ~ deserves any reasonable persons utter contempt. wally1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:05pm: why don't you write a letter to the American military and ask them to kick out 6000 muslims possibly more who are in the American army? Kick them out of the country? Sure, Wally. I'll get onto it right away. wally1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:05pm: So what do you want us aussies to do about it? STOP joining America in their off-shore wars. DON'T get drawn into Syria with military personnel. BRING all our troops back from the Middle East. MAKE convictions for planning terrorist acts on Australian soil a hanging offence, with no more than one appeal. STOP any further Muslim immigration or refugees influx. DEPORT any first generation immigrant Muslims who attract more than a 12 month sentence. DEATH PENALTY for importing commercial quantities of illegal drugs. etc

Although I agree with you in some points for example getting out of the middle east, not tagging behind America in all the wars, drugs etc, I don't support the death penalty.

True Colours wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

A decorated US soldier who gunned down 16 unarmed Afghan civilians in a rampage last year has been sentenced to life behind bars without parole.

I share your outrage, TC.

He should be put before a military firing squad and executed as a war criminal.

I have a strong suspicion that the decision not to execute Robert Bale has been designed solely to set the precedent for not eventually executing Major Nidal Hasan and Khalid Sheikh Muhammed.i

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

What war crimes should Howard be charged with, and what do you think would be an appropriate punishment if found guilty?

*Waging unprovoked war against Afghanistan
*Waging unprovoked war against Iraq
*Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Iraq
*Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan
*Murder of civilians in Afghanistan by Australian solders
*Accomplice to torture in Afghanistan by Australian-backed militias
*Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of David Hicks
*Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of Mamdouh Habib

Punishment? I reckon let the people of Iraq and Afghanistan decide. Ship Howard off to Fallujah or Kandahar and let the locals decide.

True Colours wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Punishment? I reckon let the people of Iraq and Afghanistan decide. Ship Howard off to Fallujah or Kandahar and let the locals decide.

So you're admitting that the current policy of allowing an immigration and refugees influx from Afghanistan and Iraq is contrary to Australia's interests?

Allowing these people into Australia is tantamount to giving residency to our enemies?

Is this correct?

I watched a documentary about how 30,000 Nazi concentration camp survivors were taken to Sweden as refugees.

Many of these Jews from the camps settled in Malmo.

They survived the Nazis only to now find themselves under siege from immigrant Muslims.


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there is no question that Malmo has surrendered. Large enclaves of the city, like similar enclaves throughout Western Europe, have earned the dread label ‘no-go zone.’ They are unsafe for non-Muslims, particularly women who do not conform to Islamist conventions of dress and social interaction. They are especially perilous for police, firefighters, and emergency-medical technicians. Why would a community discourage the so-called first-responders? After all, the top priority of law-enforcement officers is to assist crime victims. In an Islamic enclave, a high percentage of these will be Muslims. And obviously, the fire department and the ambulances are dispatched to save lives — here, Muslim lives. Yet, the community is hostile. The police and other emergency personnel are viewed as

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Muslims living in Western societies would do well to start distancing themselves from the Islamists in a way that readily identifies them to the mainstream host people.

I don't know how they can do this, but one idea is for them to design a distinctive emblem which to the observer declares them to be secular Muslims who are sympathetic to Western values.

There's not the slightest doubt that if the countries of continental Europe, Britain, and Scandinavia were for some reason to initiate a pogrom against their Muslim communities ~ the majority of their civilian populations would be strangely quiet about this turn of events.

I wouldn't want to see the free-thinking secular Muslims getting railroaded to the camps with those who are dedicated to the Islamisation of Western society.

True Colours wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:39am: What war crimes should Howard be charged with, and what do you think would be an appropriate punishment if found guilty? *Waging unprovoked war against Afghanistan *Waging unprovoked war against Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan *Murder of civilians in Afghanistan by Australian solders *Accomplice to torture in Afghanistan by Australian-backed militias *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of David Hicks *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of Mamdouh Habib Punishment? I reckon let the people of Iraq and Afghanistan decide. Ship Howard off to Fallujah or Kandahar and let the locals decide.

Under what laws are they crimes for which Howard could be charged?

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 2:31pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:39am: What war crimes should Howard be charged with, and what do you think would be an appropriate punishment if found guilty? *Waging unprovoked war against Afghanistan *Waging unprovoked war against Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan *Murder of civilians in Afghanistan by Australian solders *Accomplice to torture in Afghanistan by Australian-backed militias *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of David Hicks *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of Mamdouh Habib Punishment? I reckon let the people of Iraq and Afghanistan decide. Ship Howard off to Fallujah or Kandahar and let the locals decide. Under what laws are they crimes for which Howard could be charged?

under our own domestic laws and international laws that our country is signatory to.

you didn't know that?

Can you give some more details please?

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:

I watched a documentary about how 30,000 Nazi concentration camp survivors were taken to Sweden as refugees. Many of these Jews from the camps settled in Malmo. They survived the Nazis only to now find themselves under siege from immigrant Muslims.

what do you mean?

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:

I watched a documentary about how 30,000 Nazi concentration camp survivors were taken to Sweden as refugees. Many of these Jews from the camps settled in Malmo. They survived the Nazis only to now find themselves under siege from immigrant Muslims. Quote: there is no question that Malmo has surrendered. Large enclaves of the city, like similar enclaves throughout Western Europe, have earned the dread label ‘no-go zone.’ They are unsafe for non-Muslims, particularly women who do not conform to Islamist conventions of dress and social interaction. They are especially perilous for police, firefighters, and emergency-medical technicians. Why would a community discourage the so-called first-responders? After all, the top priority of law-enforcement officers is to assist crime victims. In an Islamic enclave, a high percentage of these will be Muslims. And obviously, the fire department and the ambulances are dispatched to save lives — here, Muslim lives. Yet, the community is hostile. The police and other emergency personnel are viewed as [ Muslims living in Western societies would do well to start distancing themselves from the Islamists in a way that readily identifies them to the mainstream host people. I don't know how they can do this, but one idea is for them to design a distinctive emblem which to the observer declares them to be secular Muslims who are sympathetic to Western values. There's not the slightest doubt that if the countries of continental Europe, Britain, and Scandinavia were for some reason to initiate a pogrom against their Muslim communities ~ the majority of their civilian populations would be strangely quiet about this turn of events. I wouldn't want to see the free-thinking secular Muslims getting railroaded to the camps with those who are dedicated to the Islamisation of Western society.

And Palestinian christians and muslims are not under siege in Israel?

Jews cry about the holocaust then they turn around and do a holocaust on the Palestinians cause there family was killed in the holocaust.

wally1 wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:02pm: I watched a documentary about how 30,000 Nazi concentration camp survivors were taken to Sweden as refugees. Many of these Jews from the camps settled in Malmo. They survived the Nazis only to now find themselves under siege from immigrant Muslims. Quote: there is no question that Malmo has surrendered. Large enclaves of the city, like similar enclaves throughout Western Europe, have earned the dread label ‘no-go zone.’ They are unsafe for non-Muslims, particularly women who do not conform to Islamist conventions of dress and social interaction. They are especially perilous for police, firefighters, and emergency-medical technicians. Why would a community discourage the so-called first-responders? After all, the top priority of law-enforcement officers is to assist crime victims. In an Islamic enclave, a high percentage of these will be Muslims. And obviously, the fire department and the ambulances are dispatched to save lives — here, Muslim lives. Yet, the community is hostile. The police and other emergency personnel are viewed as [ Muslims living in Western societies would do well to start distancing themselves from the Islamists in a way that readily identifies them to the mainstream host people. I don't know how they can do this, but one idea is for them to design a distinctive emblem which to the observer declares them to be secular Muslims who are sympathetic to Western values. There's not the slightest doubt that if the countries of continental Europe, Britain, and Scandinavia were for some reason to initiate a pogrom against their Muslim communities ~ the majority of their civilian populations would be strangely quiet about this turn of events. I wouldn't want to see the free-thinking secular Muslims getting railroaded to the camps with those who are dedicated to the Islamisation of Western society. And Palestinian christians and muslims are not under siege in Israel? Jews cry about the holocaust then they turn around and do a holocaust on the Palestinians cause there family was killed in the holocaust.

"By adopting the principles of the NAZI regime the Israeli occupation and treatment of Palestinians dishonours the victims and survivors of the holocaust by "

(Noam Chomsky)


But then again chomsky is a self lathing Jew, what would he know?

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:37pm:

Can you give some more details please?

NO

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freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 2:31pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:39am: What war crimes should Howard be charged with, and what do you think would be an appropriate punishment if found guilty? *Waging unprovoked war against Afghanistan *Waging unprovoked war against Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan *Murder of civilians in Afghanistan by Australian solders *Accomplice to torture in Afghanistan by Australian-backed militias *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of David Hicks *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of Mamdouh Habib Punishment? I reckon let the people of Iraq and Afghanistan decide. Ship Howard off to Fallujah or Kandahar and let the locals decide. Under what laws are they crimes for which Howard could be charged?

Australia is a signatory to many conventions against war crimes.

For example, Howard's crimes against peace are come under the Nuremberg Principles.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:37pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:02pm: I watched a documentary about how 30,000 Nazi concentration camp survivors were taken to Sweden as refugees. Many of these Jews from the camps settled in Malmo. They survived the Nazis only to now find themselves under siege from immigrant Muslims. what do you mean?

The Malmo Jews escaped from Hitler's exterminations camps only to find themselves 30 years later being abused, threatened, spat upon and physically assaulted by immigrant Muslims demonising them because of Israel's stand against the surrounding Muslim countries.

There are sections of the immigrant Muslim communities in Western countries that are an aggressive and hostile presence, and who are simply rats-in-the-national-silos.

My concern is that the Muslims of goodwill will eventually get lumped together with the vermin when the shooting starts, or when the cattle-trucks start rolling out to eastern European destinations where certain facilities can easily and cheaply be restored.

We have 23 immigrant Muslims sitting in our jails who had planned mass-murder upon our own people.

I get migraines just thinking about how it can possibly be that these terrorist Muslims have been given such mild sentences for what they had intended to do.

 

wally1 wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

And Palestinian christians and muslims are not under siege in Israel

Don't be such a wally.

Every day when the border-control gates are opened to traffic, Muslims from Palestine come streaming in by the hundreds to work in Israel for wages they can't get in Palestine.

Israel is an oasis of civilisation and industry surrounded by a wasteland of Muslim failure and incompetence, poverty and endless violence.

It's why people like gandalf, True Blue, and True Colours ~ and millions of other hypocritically pious Muslims have deserted their Third World rock-ape countries to go live in secular Western civilisation.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 6:49am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:37pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:02pm: I watched a documentary about how 30,000 Nazi concentration camp survivors were taken to Sweden as refugees. Many of these Jews from the camps settled in Malmo. They survived the Nazis only to now find themselves under siege from immigrant Muslims. what do you mean? The Malmo Jews escaped from Hitler's exterminations camps only to find themselves 30 years later being abused, threatened, spat upon and physically assaulted by immigrant Muslims demonising them because of Israel's stand against the surrounding Muslim countries. There are sections of the immigrant Muslim communities in Western countries that are an aggressive and hostile presence, and who are simply rats-in-the-national-silos. My concern is that the Muslims of goodwill will eventually get lumped together with the vermin when the shooting starts, or when the cattle-trucks start rolling out to eastern European destinations where certain facilities can easily and cheaply be restored. We have 23 immigrant Muslims sitting in our jails who had planned mass-murder upon our own people. I get migraines just thinking about how it can possibly be that these terrorist Muslims have been given such mild sentences for what they had intended to do.

Although the treatment by the muslims on the jews of malmo is sad, what is also sad is the treatment by jews in Israel who routinely attack palestinains, jewish kids go around and graffiti churches and attack priests, jews destroy Palestinian crop fields and posion there animals, Detentention of 5 year old kids, bombing of houses and villages by the jewish army etc etc

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

"By adopting the principles of the NAZI regime the Israeli occupation and treatment of Palestinians dishonours the victims and survivors of the holocaust by " (Noam Chomsky) But then again chomsky is a self lothing Jew, what would he know?

Precisely.

I think we can safely put Chomsky back into his box as an intellectual fraud, and a Far Leftwinger with a chip on his shoulder.


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The Chomsky Hoax Articles and documents exposing the dishonesty and fanaticism of extreme left-wing propagandist and genocide denier Noam Chomsky.

Enjoy.

True Colours wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 12:34am:

freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:08pm: True Colours wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 2:31pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:39am: What war crimes should Howard be charged with, and what do you think would be an appropriate punishment if found guilty? *Waging unprovoked war against Afghanistan *Waging unprovoked war against Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Iraq *Accomplice to the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan *Murder of civilians in Afghanistan by Australian solders *Accomplice to torture in Afghanistan by Australian-backed militias *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of David Hicks *Being an accomplice to the unlawful detention and torture of Mamdouh Habib Punishment? I reckon let the people of Iraq and Afghanistan decide. Ship Howard off to Fallujah or Kandahar and let the locals decide. Under what laws are they crimes for which Howard could be charged? Australia is a signatory to many conventions against war crimes. For example, Howard's crimes against peace are come under the Nuremberg Principles.

Which ones?

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Malmo, Sweden’s third-largest city, with a population of roughly 293,900 but only 760 Jews, reached a turning point of sorts in January 2009, during Israel’s military campaign in Gaza. A small, mostly Jewish group held a demonstration that was billed as a peace rally but seen as a sign of support for Israel. This peaceful demonstration was cut short when the demonstrators were attacked by a much larger screaming mob of Muslims and Swedish leftists who threw bottles and firecrackers at them as police seemed unable to stop the mounting mayhem.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jews-reluctantly-abandon-swedish-city-amid-growing-anti-semitism-1.301276

I'll grant you this, True Colours ~ the Jews of Malmo were bloody idiots to hold that 'peace rally' ~ and then insult our intelligence by pretending this wasn't in support of Israel.

They were living in Malmo as Swedish citizens, and it was none of their business to go onto the streets to demonstrate on behalf of the foreign country of Israel.

But the reaction from a section of the Muslim community was way over the top.

He got what he deserves he got death!

A military jury has sentenced a former US Army psychiatrist to die by lethal injection for killing 13 soldiers and wounding 32 at a Texas Army base.

He will not now and he will never be a martyr," Col Mulligan said of Maj Hasan. "He is a criminal. He is a cold-blooded murderer."

Bloody Ripper.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23871617

You can't be serious.

A sentence of death has only a very tenuous connection with reality in the US.

Decades will now pass as appeal after appeal will be lodged, ad infinitum.

And then, as a sop to America's Muslim community they'll reduce his sentence to 'life'.

Or the State Governor will give him a Pardon at the 11th Hour in order to ingratiate with the Muslim community to secure their backing for his re-election.

I'll bet with Lloyd's of London that this loyal-and-faithful Muslim will never be euthanased by injection.

Of course he will. Which Muslims are going to beg for his pardon? All the ones who support what he did will also be pleased to see him die for it. That's how you get the virgins.

All the apologists will be pretending he doesn't exist and hoping he goes away quietly.

Lone nut jobs exist in all cultures/religions/societies.  I note that the usual Islamophobes wish Anders Brievik would just go away.   He is your problem child.  He did what you all want to do.  You lot are just mirror-images of what you claim you oppose.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:26pm:

Lone nut jobs exist in all cultures/religions/societies.  I note that the usual Islamophobes wish Anders Brievik would just go away.   He is your problem child.  He did what you all want to do.  You lot are just mirror-images of what you claim you oppose.

And of course the allahu akhbaring Muslim mass murderers are in no way the mirror-images of all the Islamonutters coz Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' - not even alahu akhbaring. Those nutters are all Lone Wolves and Isolated Extremists while infidel nutters, on the other hand, are acting on behalf of all infidels.

Congratulations. You are as stupid as the people you are representative of. Or are you a lone wolf and fierce individualist? A freelancing idiot?

Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  Yet if a Muslim kills someone, it's always all about religion?

The reality is that people kill people for lots of reasons.  More often than not they'll use religion as a convenient excuse. time you woke up to that.  You use religion as a convenient excuse to pillory Muslims.  You are a bigot.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 7:05pm:

Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  Yet if a Muslim kills someone, it's always all about religion?

Which of the above invokes the name of 'God' just before committing the act?

Stop playing silly-buggers, Brian ~ you don't need me or anyone else to spoon-feed you the no-brainer answers to your disingenuous questions.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 7:05pm:

Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  Yet if a Muslim kills someone, it's always all about religion?

Perhaps it's more to do with the regularity of the killing of others who do not believe in Islam by Islamists. It would appear that they are equal-opportunity killers when faced with non-believers. The others would appear to have specific axes to grind - the right or wrong of those issues is not the question.



Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 7:05pm:

The reality is that people kill people for lots of reasons.  More often than not they'll use religion as a convenient excuse. time you woke up to that.  You use religion as a convenient excuse to pillory Muslims.  You are a bigot.

The reality is that Muslims kill more people, on a day-today basis, in the name of their 'religion' than any other religion or Government currently extant. You use any excuse to absolve Islam of it's responsibilities and intent. We're all aware it's not Muslims. You have yet to agree that it's Islam that's the problem.

You are an apologist and a defender of the perpetrators of some of the worst atrocities in modern history.

I know you're not an idiot. I'm merely at a loss to find a descriptive epithet.

Your comments, however, while remaining true to character, will find favour in the Sultan's tent. Be careful not to step outside.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 7:05pm:

Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  Yet if a Muslim kills someone, it's always all about religion? The reality is that people kill people for lots of reasons.  More often than not they'll use religion as a convenient excuse. time you woke up to that.  You use religion as a convenient excuse to pillory Muslims.  You are a bigot.   ::)

We recently had a few Australian Muslims on this forum telling us about all the things people should get stoned to death for. They did not hate atheists because an atheist stole their father's saddle while he was taking a dump. They held these barbaric beliefs because the Koran told them to. It is about religion.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 7:05pm:

Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?

And who said any of this, Brain?

In any case, a Muslim shouting Allahu Akhbar when smiting - that's about religion, and the allahu akhbaring Muslim says so himself.

Or you don't believe him just because he is a brown man?  Shame on you, Brain, shame. You treat Muslims as unreliable witnesses even to their own actions and motivations. You will not accept their testimony even when they are shouting it.  Shame on you, you patronising, racist, bigoted person.

Soren wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 7:05pm: Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  And who said any of this, Brain? In any case, a Muslim shouting Allahu Akhbar when smiting - that's about religion, and the allahu akhbaring Muslim says so himself. Or you don't believe him just because he is a brown man?  Shame on you, Brain, shame. You treat Muslims as unreliable witnesses even to their own actions and motivations. You will not accept their testimony even when they are shouting it.  Shame on you, you patronising, racist, bigoted person.

Allah uakbar, brother being. By your same reckoning, friend:

Palestine - not religious
Iraq (with exception of Allah uakbar Al Qaida) - not religious
Kashmir-Jammu - not religious
Afghanistan - not religious
Syria - not religious
Egypt - not religious
Various African civil wars - not religious
Arab Spring - not religious

You are a very Gudly man, effende. You are a fine Islamic scholar, yes?

Salaam Aleikum, my brother. Peace be with you always.

It is nothing to see here, isn't it.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 7:05pm: Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  Yet if a Muslim kills someone, it's always all about religion? The reality is that people kill people for lots of reasons.  More often than not they'll use religion as a convenient excuse. time you woke up to that.  You use religion as a convenient excuse to pillory Muslims.  You are a bigot.   ::) They did not hate atheists because an atheist stole their father's saddle while he was taking a dump.

It is so, baba Khan. We must love all the peoples. If a man steals my friend's saddle I will tell him, please to take! You are a guest! Steal my friend's saddle deeper! Harder!

Old boy will enjoy, you will see. Afterwards, they can take a dump together, isn't it.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 7:05pm: Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  Yet if a Muslim kills someone, it's always all about religion? The reality is that people kill people for lots of reasons.  More often than not they'll use religion as a convenient excuse. time you woke up to that.  You use religion as a convenient excuse to pillory Muslims.  You are a bigot.   ::) We recently had a few Australian Muslims on this forum telling us about all the things people should get stoned to death for. They did not hate atheists because an atheist stole their father's saddle while he was taking a dump. They held these barbaric beliefs because the Koran told them to. It is about religion.

Thats interesting - seeing as how stoning is not mentioned anywhere in the quran.

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 7:05pm: Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  And who said any of this, Brain? In any case, a Muslim shouting Allahu Akhbar when smiting - that's about religion, and the allahu akhbaring Muslim says so himself. Or you don't believe him just because he is a brown man?  Shame on you, Brain, shame. You treat Muslims as unreliable witnesses even to their own actions and motivations. You will not accept their testimony even when they are shouting it.  Shame on you, you patronising, racist, bigoted person. Allah uakbar, brother being. By your same reckoning, friend: Palestine - not religious Iraq (with exception of Allah uakbar Al Qaida) - not religious Kashmir-Jammu - not religious Afghanistan - not religious Syria - not religious Egypt - not religious Various African civil wars - not religious Arab Spring - not religious

You don't make sense, once again, PB.
Are you saying that there is no allau akhbaring going on as they kill each other in all the places you listed?

Soren wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 4:12pm: Soren wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:32pm: [quote author=Brian_Ross link=1377296416/38#38 date=1378112754]Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  And who said any of this, Brain? In any case, a Muslim shouting Allahu Akhbar when smiting - that's about religion, and the allahu akhbaring Muslim says so himself. Or you don't believe him just because he is a brown man?  Shame on you, Brain, shame. You treat Muslims as unreliable witnesses even to their own actions and motivations. You will not accept their testimony even when they are shouting it.  Shame on you, you patronising, racist, bigoted person. Allah uakbar, brother being. By your same reckoning, friend: Palestine - not religious Iraq (with exception of Allah uakbar Al Qaida) - not religious Kashmir-Jammu - not religious Afghanistan - not religious Syria - not religious Egypt - not religious Various African civil wars - not religious Arab Spring - not religious

People Allah Uakbared when Saddam’s statue was lowered in Bagdad. They Allah Uakbared when they hauled out Gaddafi’s body for the cameras in Sirte, when the Taliban were routed in Kabul, and  Morsi was arrested in Cairo.

Which Allah do you mean, old chap? Gud the Father, Mother, or Uncle?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Thats interesting - seeing as how stoning is not mentioned anywhere in the quran.

Being deceitful through omission does not add to your credibility in these discussions.

A little more candor, please.

Stoning

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 7:05pm: Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  Yet if a Muslim kills someone, it's always all about religion? The reality is that people kill people for lots of reasons.  More often than not they'll use religion as a convenient excuse. time you woke up to that.  You use religion as a convenient excuse to pillory Muslims.  You are a bigot.   ::) We recently had a few Australian Muslims on this forum telling us about all the things people should get stoned to death for. They did not hate atheists because an atheist stole their father's saddle while he was taking a dump. They held these barbaric beliefs because the Koran told them to. It is about religion. Thats interesting - seeing as how stoning is not mentioned anywhere in the quran.

Does the Koran tell people to follow Muhammed's example?

Didn't you just finish explaining the Islamic principle of interpreting any precedent set by Muhamed as broadly as possible?

From Herbert's link:

According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14]

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:02pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 4:12pm: Soren wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:32pm: [quote author=Brian_Ross link=1377296416/38#38 date=1378112754]Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  And who said any of this, Brain? In any case, a Muslim shouting Allahu Akhbar when smiting - that's about religion, and the allahu akhbaring Muslim says so himself. Or you don't believe him just because he is a brown man?  Shame on you, Brain, shame. You treat Muslims as unreliable witnesses even to their own actions and motivations. You will not accept their testimony even when they are shouting it.  Shame on you, you patronising, racist, bigoted person. Allah uakbar, brother being. By your same reckoning, friend: Palestine - not religious Iraq (with exception of Allah uakbar Al Qaida) - not religious Kashmir-Jammu - not religious Afghanistan - not religious Syria - not religious Egypt - not religious Various African civil wars - not religious Arab Spring - not religious People Allah Uakbared when Saddam’s statue was lowered in Bagdad. They Allah Uakbared when they hauled out Gaddafi’s body for the cameras in Sirte, when the Taliban were routed in Kabul, and  Morsi was arrested in Cairo.

And Muslim sectarian violence duly ensued in every case.

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

Does the Koran tell people to follow Muhammed's example? Didn't you just finish explaining the Islamic principle of interpreting any precedent set by Muhamed as broadly as possible? From Herbert's link: According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14]

Nice attempt to wriggle out of your clearly stated claim that "A few Australian muslims" here support stoning "because the quran told them".

Quote:

author=gandalf li Nice attempt to wriggle out of .....

The only one doing the ducking and weaving is you.

We're still waiting for a relevant answer from you in response to this :


Quote:

According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14]

Middle Easterners are historically famous for being tricky and devious.

Even the summary punishment of chopping off hands hasn't halted the tradition of stealing anything that isn't nailed down.

So! Here's a challenge for you. Just answer to the above without forked-tongue or prestidigitation.  8-)

Herbert I'm well aware of what many muslims and muslim jurists believe from the hadeeth regarding stoning. Thats not the issue here. The issue is FD making up stories about what the quran tells muslims to believe.

Soren wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:50am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:16pm: Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:02pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 4:12pm: Soren wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:32pm: [quote author=Brian_Ross link=1377296416/38#38 date=1378112754]Soren, why is that when a Protestant kills a Catholic in Belfast, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Tibetan kills a Han Chinese in Tibet, religion has nothing to do with it?  When a Buddhist in Japan kills a Christian in Korea, religion has nothing to do with it?  And who said any of this, Brain? In any case, a Muslim shouting Allahu Akhbar when smiting - that's about religion, and the allahu akhbaring Muslim says so himself. Or you don't believe him just because he is a brown man?  Shame on you, Brain, shame. You treat Muslims as unreliable witnesses even to their own actions and motivations. You will not accept their testimony even when they are shouting it.  Shame on you, you patronising, racist, bigoted person. Allah uakbar, brother being. By your same reckoning, friend: Palestine - not religious Iraq (with exception of Allah uakbar Al Qaida) - not religious Kashmir-Jammu - not religious Afghanistan - not religious Syria - not religious Egypt - not religious Various African civil wars - not religious Arab Spring - not religious People Allah Uakbared when Saddam’s statue was lowered in Bagdad. They Allah Uakbared when they hauled out Gaddafi’s body for the cameras in Sirte, when the Taliban were routed in Kabul, and  Morsi was arrested in Cairo. And Muslim sectarian violence duly ensued in every case.

Sectarian? I say, old chap, how can Allah Uakbar be sectarian? It is only one Gud, isn't it.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

Don't forget which side we're on, old boy.

We're on the side of Gud.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

Herbert I'm well aware of what many muslims and muslim jurists believe from the hadeeth regarding stoning. Thats not the issue here. The issue is FD making up stories about what the quran tells muslims to believe.

You know very well that whether it is the Koran or the Hadiths, Islamic scholars and jurists throughout the world are in agreement that death-by-stoning is sanctioned in Islam.


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It is the Islamic consensus that Muslims use the hadith as a pattern to guide their lives and a model for their behaviour. They are an important source reference for understanding the context of many verses of the Qur'an and provide the explanation, interpretation, and the living example of Muhammad, required for teaching of the Qur'an.

The Hadiths are footnotes to the Koran, and therefore they carry just as much authority as the Koran itself.

Hadiths

Karnal wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

Sectarian? I say, old chap, how can Allah Uakbar be sectarian? It is only one Gud, isn't it. Always, absolutely, never ever. Don't forget which side we're on, old boy. We're on the side of Gud.

I have always know that you are a mindless, tendentious screamer. And you are staying in character very well. Have another banana, monkey.
Have three.



You are SOB with a slightly bigger vocabulary.

Soren wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:12pm: Sectarian? I say, old chap, how can Allah Uakbar be sectarian? It is only one Gud, isn't it. Always, absolutely, never ever. Don't forget which side we're on, old boy. We're on the side of Gud. I have always know that you are a mindless, tendentious screamer. And you are staying in character very well. Have another banana, monkey. Have three. You are SOB with a slightly bigger vocabulary.

Come on, habibi, don’t be like that.

Have another sniff of amyl - have three.  And make sure you use the anal deoderant I’ve given you.

You smell like pickled herring.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:57pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:33am: Does the Koran tell people to follow Muhammed's example? Didn't you just finish explaining the Islamic principle of interpreting any precedent set by Muhamed as broadly as possible? From Herbert's link: According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14] Nice attempt to wriggle out of your clearly stated claim that "A few Australian muslims" here support stoning "because the quran told them".

So what are you trying to say Gandalf? That you agree orthodox Islam proscribes stoning people to death, but you disagree on the source?

Where are these "opposite but non-contradictory" principles from that you use to interpret the precedents set by Muhammed? The Koran? Or did you just make them up?

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:50am:

So what are you trying to say Gandalf?

Still a little unclear FD?

Let me spell out as simply as I can...

You. make. sh!t. up. about. what. the. quran. tells. muslims. to. do.

Suggest you read it real slow, to have the best chance of this sinking in.

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You. make. sh!t. up. about. what. the. quran. tells. muslims. to. do.

Does. the. koran. tell. muslims. to. follow. muhameds. lead. ?.

yes - I'm positive you meant that when you stated that the quran orders muslims to stone people.  :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning

According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14]

http://loveforlife.com.au/files/strawman2.jpg


polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

Herbert I'm well aware of what many muslims and muslim jurists believe from the hadeeth regarding stoning. Thats not the issue here. The issue is FD making up stories about what the quran tells muslims to believe.

Large font added for extra clarity.

True, my friend, but in a free society of the will, FD is free to tell others what the Koran tells them to believe. It is a free countries, is it not?

In this worlds, all may be a mullah. We can be a teacher and a follower and a prophet, isn’t it.

May we teach ourselves how to think, friends. Let us be loyal servants of the one Gud. Only by our own words and deeds are we delivered. Only by our response to our fate, which is our true gift from Gud, may we know peace.

Allah Uakbar!

FD is a good man, bless him, bless him. May he come to the pure land in his time, and bring many with him.

There is much wisdom in the scarecrow.

Gud the merciful is in us, friends, and we are in Gud. Praise Him not in words but in deeds, and let Him shine from our silence.

Gud is in us whether we know or not, so knowing or not it matters little. May we know when He speaks through our deeds and let Him do His work.

When we do not know, let us seek Him in our silence.

Such is the will of Gud, friends, and it is our will also. We are all right and wrong, but only Gud knows this. His judgement is righteous and swift, and He delivers all to their teachings.

May the darkness of night be our friend, but may Gud be our rudder.

Allah Uakbar!

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:04am:

True, my friend, but in a free society of the will, FD is free to tell others what the Koran tells them to believe. It is a free countries, is it not? In this worlds, all may be a mullah. We can be a teacher and a follower and a prophet, isn’t it. May we teach ourselves how to think, friends. Let us be loyal servants of the one Gud. Only by our own words and deeds are we delivered. Only by our response to our fate, which is our true gift from Gud, may we know peace. Allah Uakbar! FD is a good man, bless him, bless him. May he come to the pure land in his time, and bring many with him. There is much wisdom in the scarecrow. Gud the merciful is in us, friends, and we are in Gud. Praise Him not in words but in deeds, and let Him shine from our silence. Gud is in us whether we know or not, so knowing or not it matters little. May we know when He speaks through our deeds and let Him do His work. When we do not know, let us seek Him in our silence. Such is the will of Gud, friends, and it is our will also. We are all right and wrong, but only Gud knows this. His judgement is righteous and swift, and He delivers all to their teachings. May the darkness of night be our friend, but may Gud be our rudder. Allah Uakbar!

ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.

A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.




Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

gandalf ~ why the denial? Your churlish obfuscations are not winning you any points with regard to Islam's sanctioning of stoning as a means of execution.

The hadiths instruct the laity as to the meaning of certain passages in the Koran.

For this reason alone Muslim scholars acknowledge that the hadiths carry just as much authority as the Koran itself.

The hadiths interpretation of passages in the Koran authorise the use of stoning as a means of execution.

Islamic scholars agree that this interpretation is correct and faithful to the will of Allah.

Please have the good grace to acknowledge this ... so we can then all move on from this Ground Hog Day in which you are repeatedly and stubbornly refusing to budge from your position which your own scholars disagree with.

Insha'Allah, you will fold your tent and concede the point as having been proved.

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:06am:

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

It is so, my friend. All are Gud, is it not?

And we are in Him.

Gandalf do you agree that stoning is part of Shariah law?

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:06am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:04am: True, my friend, but in a free society of the will, FD is free to tell others what the Koran tells them to believe. It is a free countries, is it not? In this worlds, all may be a mullah. We can be a teacher and a follower and a prophet, isn’t it. May we teach ourselves how to think, friends. Let us be loyal servants of the one Gud. Only by our own words and deeds are we delivered. Only by our response to our fate, which is our true gift from Gud, may we know peace. Allah Uakbar! FD is a good man, bless him, bless him. May he come to the pure land in his time, and bring many with him. There is much wisdom in the scarecrow. Gud the merciful is in us, friends, and we are in Gud. Praise Him not in words but in deeds, and let Him shine from our silence. Gud is in us whether we know or not, so knowing or not it matters little. May we know when He speaks through our deeds and let Him do His work. When we do not know, let us seek Him in our silence. Such is the will of Gud, friends, and it is our will also. We are all right and wrong, but only Gud knows this. His judgement is righteous and swift, and He delivers all to their teachings. May the darkness of night be our friend, but may Gud be our rudder. Allah Uakbar! ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal. A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue. You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum. Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent. Dictionary; obfuscate = = 1 make unclear or unintelligible. 2 bewilder.

If there is any poster who doesn't want to debate, its you Yadda.   :D :D :D :D :D