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Title: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by # on Aug 26th, 2013 at 2:50pm
Graph of the Day: Climate action is better for the economy
By Staff Reporters on 26 August 2013

Given that Australia’s federal election is all about the economy, and conflicting policies on climate change, a new posting by Skeptical Science is timely. It addresses they myth that CO2 limits will damage economic growth. It says that not making serious efforts to curb emissions will incur serious economic costs, a conclusion made by numerous studies, including Ross Garnaut’s, but one that has yet to register in the Australian political debate circa 2013.”

“It’s not unreasonable to expect that the effects of climate change will create greater economic instability worldwide,” Skeptical Science note in their post.The solution is, of course, to reduce fossil fuel use. One way to do this is to shift away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy sources. The other way is to reduce energy demands through increased efficiency.”

The article addresses the idea that imposing a price on carbon will damage economic prospects, but notes that in the upcoming fifth IPCC Assessment Report, a new set of scenarios called Representative Concentration Pathways (RCP) will be used to illustrate the trajectories for economic performance under various emissions scenarios.

Here is the table:

Figure 1: GDP projections of the four scenarios underlying the RCPs (vanVuuren et.al. 2011). Grey area for income indicates the 98th and 90th percentiles (light/dark grey) of the IPCC AR4 database (Hanaoka et al. 2006). The dotted lines indicate four of the SRES marker scenarios.

“The graph of GDP clearly shows that the pathways that reduce emissions the most in that time frame (2.6 – green, and 4.5 – red) are those with the best long-term economic performance,” the posting notes. “In other words, the investment required to reduce emissions is repaid by increased economic performance. Business as usual strategies (high-emission scenarios RCP 6 and 8.5) are the least profitable; the money saved early on is dwarfed by the costs of damage and disruption done in the longer term.”

The rest of the article can be found here.

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by Ajax on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm
Dude I've told you on many occasions Skeptical science is the meca of the global warming religion.

And Ross Garnaut didn't he say that Australia would run dry and its occupants would die of THIRST (no rain).

How can you listen to that algorian.

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by # on Aug 26th, 2013 at 8:58pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Dude I've told you on many occasions Skeptical science is the meca of the global warming religion.
...

Of course, of course; Climate Science Denial is the only true religion and Murdoch is its prophet (or should that be profit).  ::)

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by Ajax on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:00pm

# wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Dude I've told you on many occasions Skeptical science is the meca of the global warming religion.
...

Of course, of course; Climate Science Denial is the only true religion and Murdoch is its prophet (or should that be profit).  ::)


Murdoch would love to trade carbon credits in  $2 trillion dollar market.......!!!!!

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by rabbitoh07 on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:09pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Dude I've told you on many occasions Skeptical science is the meca of the global warming religion.

And Ross Garnaut didn't he say that Australia would run dry and its occupants would die of THIRST (no rain).
.

Did he?

Why don't you show us that quote?

Or did you just make it up?

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by rabbitoh07 on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:11pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

# wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Dude I've told you on many occasions Skeptical science is the meca of the global warming religion.
...

Of course, of course; Climate Science Denial is the only true religion and Murdoch is its prophet (or should that be profit).  ::)


Murdoch would love to trade carbon credits in  $2 trillion dollar market.......!!!!!

Is that $2 trillion?
Or $2 billion?
Or $2 million?
Or $2?

You have shown us you are not very good with big numbers.  Just want to check you are not out by a factor of a million again.

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by Ajax on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:24pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

# wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Dude I've told you on many occasions Skeptical science is the meca of the global warming religion.
...

Of course, of course; Climate Science Denial is the only true religion and Murdoch is its prophet (or should that be profit).  ::)


Murdoch would love to trade carbon credits in  $2 trillion dollar market.......!!!!!

Is that $2 trillion?
Or $2 billion?
Or $2 million?
Or $2?

You have shown us you are not very good with big numbers.  Just want to check you are not out by a factor of a million again.


What do you recon he'll do rabbit.....????

With all his wealth he could buy up most of Africa plant some trees and cash in some carbon credits.

What you think he'll sit idly by and not joing in the feeding frenzy......?????

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by rabbitoh07 on Aug 26th, 2013 at 10:58pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:24pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

# wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Dude I've told you on many occasions Skeptical science is the meca of the global warming religion.
...

Of course, of course; Climate Science Denial is the only true religion and Murdoch is its prophet (or should that be profit).  ::)


Murdoch would love to trade carbon credits in  $2 trillion dollar market.......!!!!!

Is that $2 trillion?
Or $2 billion?
Or $2 million?
Or $2?

You have shown us you are not very good with big numbers.  Just want to check you are not out by a factor of a million again.


What do you recon he'll do rabbit.....????

With all his wealth he could buy up most of Africa plant some trees and cash in some carbon credits.

What you think he'll sit idly by and not joing in the feeding frenzy......?????

Sorry - I have no interest of entering into your fantasies.

I am just trying to help you out when you start trying to use numbers.  You don't seem to understand them very well.

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by muso on Aug 26th, 2013 at 11:11pm
There are several problems with just planting trees. Here are three: 

Conifer plantations in cooler climates tend to reduce albedo.

If we just plant trees and keep burning fossil fuels at the same rate, eventually those trees will go from being a net carbon sink to being a net carbon emission source.

Planting trees in a temperate climate does not compensate for cutting down the same number in tropical climates.

Title: Re: Climate action is better for the economy
Post by Ajax on Aug 27th, 2013 at 6:16pm

muso wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 11:11pm:
There are several problems with just planting trees. Here are three: 
Conifer plantations in cooler climates tend to reduce albedo.


Has there been a study.....????

Why would they reduce the albedo, when more CO2 is present apparently trees use water more efficiently therefore there should still be enough water vapour in the atmosphere.


Quote:
If we just plant trees and keep burning fossil fuels at the same rate, eventually those trees will go from being a net carbon sink to being a net carbon emission source.


Maybe by that time we might be in a ice age so the extra CO2 would be handy to increase global warming.

Better hot than cold my friend.


Quote:
Planting trees in a temperate climate does not compensate for cutting down the same number in tropical climates.


The right tree should be planted in the right location.

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