Australian special forces troops under investigation for cutting off hands of dead Afghan insurgent

A unit of elite Australian special forces troops is under investigation for mutilating the body of at least one Afghan insurgent.

The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent's corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot.

The incident occurred during a combined operation of the Afghan national security force and an Australian Special Operations Task Group force in Zabul province on April 28 that resulted in the killing of four insurgents.

At the time, the Australian Defence Force announced only that an investigation was underway.

Key points

*Special forces troops under investigation for mutilating insurgent's body
*ABC understands soldiers accused of cutting off insurgent's hands for fingerprints
*Occurred during combined operation in Zabul on April 28, when four insurgents were killed
*Mutilation of bodies of the dead is a violation of the laws of war
*ADF says it continues to investigate an incident of potential misconduct
*The Chief of the Defence Force, General David Hurley, said in a statement released on May 8: "An incident of potential misconduct during the operation has been raised through the internal national command chain."

The ABC understands that the detail of the misconduct he alluded to involves the removal of hands from the corpse of at least one Afghan insurgent.

Australian troops are required to collect fingerprints and eye scans of every Taliban fighter who is killed, if it is possible to do so.

The ABC has learned that an investigator from the Australian Defence Force Investigative Service (ADFIS) lectured a group of special forces soldiers and told them that it did not matter how the fingerprints were taken and that if they could chop off the hands of the dead and bring them back to base for fingerprinting, that would be acceptable.

The ABC understands at least one pair of hands was present at the Australian base in Tarin Kot.

The mutilation or mistreatment of the bodies of the dead is a violation of the laws of war.

Article 15 of the first Geneva Convention says: "At all times, and particularly after an engagement, Parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled."

The intelligence team that the instructing sergeant from the investigative unit was working for has now been disbanded, but the matter is being taken extremely seriously by the ADF and by the International Security Assistance Force that has overall command of international troops in Afghanistan.

ADF says it continues to investigate incident of potential misconduct...

...In 2011, Australian troops were accused of mistreating the corpse of an Afghan insurgent.

Whistleblowers had claimed the insurgent's corpse was put in a taxi with its legs hanging out of the window, in an incident that had become known to troops as the "Weekend at Bernie's" episode – a reference to a 1989 Hollywood comedy in which two men pretend their deceased boss is still alive....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-30/claims-sas-troops-cut-hands-off-afghan-insurgent/4924694

No way! Our troops would never do that. They cut their own hands off, right after they shot themselves.

True Colours wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:

The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent's corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot.

Maybe the Insurgent promised to lend them a hand..... ;D

Swagman wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 1:30pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm: The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent's corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot. Maybe the Insurgent promised to lend them a hand..... ;D

I always knew the SAS were handy with a knife  :)


Or maybe the troops were a bit short handed

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

Or maybe the troops were a bit short handed

.....maybe someone at Tarin Kot wanted his hand in marriage?

Hands?

Wouldn't have been their hands I'd have been cutting off.

Those ba$tards don't play by Geneva Convention rules.

So neither would I.

Swagman wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:43pm: Or maybe the troops were a bit short handed .....maybe someone at Tarin Kot wanted his hand in marriage?

The boys are packing up the base, so maybe they were a bit short handed

Either way, it will no doubt come in handy...  :P

Right on  but don't forget to write a few words about the unbelievable atrocities that the Muslims committed on their prisoners.

The one thing you don't want ever is to be captured by the Muslims, they think the Geneva Convention is a Swedish Pop Group.

........they might have come in 'handy' if hand to hand combat was required..... ;D

The punishment for stealing under Islamic law in some parts of this world  is chopping your hand off.

Did any of the Islamic countries ratify the Rome statute so war crimes can be prosecuted or did they say that is unislamic like the Universal declaration of human rights?

...maybe the Officers wanted all hands on deck...? :-?

Who fingered the culprits?

Have the perpetrators been a-wristed yet?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/cool_man_zps9d2fcc5e.gif

...mabe the Aussies are preparing for the handover... ;D

.....maybe they just have a show of hands on election day over there?

Maybe they just wanted to play a hand to decide who goes next on point?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/lmao_zps0f0b5c2b.gif

Or he could have decided to hand himself in... :P

Okay, True Colours ... here's the fact of the matter:

Every Muslim who is engaged in fighting the US and her allies is breaking the Rules of War by not wearing a uniform, and under the Rules of War it would be perfectly within the right of the allies to execute every single prisoner as a spy.

So instead of bitching about your brothers having their hands cut off as deceased corpses, just bear in mind that the prisoners are being treated with exceptional humanity.

There's a hi-5! here somewhere, but I can't fit it in ...  :-[

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/30-08-20134-15-10PM_zpsf4e1e3fe.png

"Waiter, waiter,there's a hand in my soup."
"That's not your soup, sir, that's your finger bowl."

Self-deleted in disgust at the way this discussion has turned into a bitch fight against some.

zilch

The situation is well in hand...nothing to see here.

Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF.


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Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF.


I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation.

Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation.

Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around.

Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!!

So cutting the hand off a corpse is FUNNY?

I would expect nothing less from the usual suspects, but Kat.....I had some respect for you.

It's gone now.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 1:48pm:

Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF. I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation. Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation. Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around. Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!!

Yeah, yeah, we all know of your deep unabiding hatred of those who serve in the ADF, it's been a while since you have had the pleasure of laughing at a dead Aussie soldier, so I can appreciate your need for syria to turn into a bloody war involving Australian men and women



So some scumbag insurgent got his hands cut off for identification purposes, so fvcken what?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 1:48pm:

Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF. I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation. Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation. Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around. Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!!

So you are basically admitting to looking forward to the day when some muzzy wackjob walks into a public area in Australia and blows it up, killing dozens or possibly hundreds of civilians. It will just be Karma and you will find it sweet.

If what you just said can have any other interpretation I am happy to hear it.   

Quantum wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:04pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:48pm: Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF. I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation. Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation. Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around. Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!! So you are basically admitting to looking forward to the day when some muzzy wackjob walks into a public area in Australia and blows it up, killing dozens or possibly hundreds of civilians. It will just be Karma and you will find it sweet. If what you just said can have any other interpretation I am happy to hear it.

pansi is just a maggot.  not worth the effort to step on.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 1:56pm:

So cutting the hand off a corpse is FUNNY? I would expect nothing less from the usual suspects, but Kat.....I had some respect for you. It's gone now.

What is funny is the issue that is made of this. The information that we have so far is that the ADF attempts to identify insurgents that have been killed by collecting finger prints when safe to do so. In this situation it was considered safer to remove the hands of the corpse and identify the finger prints later than doing it on the spot. Not the most pleasant of procedures, but it is not mutilating a corpse just for the fun of it.

We are losing touch with all reason when you can shoot an enemy dead in war and that's fine, but then get in trouble for cutting the hands off the corpse to identify the body. Once the former is permitted then the latter really becomes rather irrelevant as far as treatment of another goes.   

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:04pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:48pm: Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF. I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation. Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation. Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around. Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!! So you are basically admitting to looking forward to the day when some muzzy wackjob walks into a public area in Australia and blows it up, killing dozens or possibly hundreds of civilians. It will just be Karma and you will find it sweet. If what you just said can have any other interpretation I am happy to hear it.    pansi is just a maggot.  not worth the effort to step on.

Yes. The hatred she has towards the west, and the naive love she has towards southern Asia as well as the Muslim world is amazing. I don't think I have encountered anyone else who has such hatred for (supposedly) their own nation.   

I understand the logic behind taking just the hands  for fingerprint ID, rather than humping the whole corpse, but I am puzzled by the fingerprint requirement in the first place. Does the average insurgent actually have his prints on file for comparison? If not it seems rather a waste of time and effort.  :-?

Karma is sweet, is it not?

I don't look forward to anyone getting killed or injured, what a ridiculous thing to say. I am a humanitarian, anti war, pro peace, make of that what you will.

I was just saying you should be careful what you wish on others, lest it comes back to bite you.

Don't forget the Australian/Lebanese that are fighting with Al Qeada in Syria will return home one day. To think it won't have any effect here at some time is naive.

Could you please point out the phrase where I am happy for Aussies to be killed, because I don't ever recall saying or even thinking such a thing.....thankyou.

You guys supported the wars in the ME so don't try to pretend you are anti death. You feel so sorry for the ADF personnel, you would send them to another war?????

Treat others as you would like to be treated. If the ADF want to act the same way as Al Qeada, then don't complain when it is returned in kind.
If you are happy to mutilate bodies, then you must also be happy to have it happen to you, otherwise you wouldn't do it.

If the Taliban take our dead soldiers body parts for identification or whatever else purposes, we cannot complain because we have done it to them. Remember payback?

Now spin that rightards!

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Karma is sweet, is it not? I don't look forward to anyone getting killed or injured, what a ridiculous thing to say. I am a humanitarian, anti war, pro peace, make of that what you will. I was just saying you should be careful what you wish on others, lest it comes back to bite you. Don't forget the Australian/Lebanese that are fighting with Al Qeada in Syria will return home one day. To think it won't have any effect here at some time is naive. Could you please point out the phrase where I am happy for Aussies to be killed, because I don't ever recall saying or even thinking such a thing.....thankyou. You guys supported the wars in the ME so don't try to pretend you are anti death. You feel so sorry for the ADF personnel, you would send them to another war????? Treat others as you would like to be treated. If the ADF want to act the same way as Al Qeada, then don't complain when it is returned in kind. If you are happy to mutilate bodies, then you must also be happy to have it happen to you, otherwise you wouldn't do it. If the Taliban take our dead soldiers body parts for identification or whatever else purposes, we cannot complain because we have done it to them. Remember payback? Now spin that rightards!

The Coalition is packing up as we speak. The Taliban are going to start killing woman and children . They'll put Afghanistan back a thousand years. How do you feel about that? 

Quantum wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:56pm: So cutting the hand off a corpse is FUNNY? I would expect nothing less from the usual suspects, but Kat.....I had some respect for you. It's gone now. What is funny is the issue that is made of this. The information that we have so far is that the ADF attempts to identify insurgents that have been killed by collecting finger prints when safe to do so. In this situation it was considered safer to remove the hands of the corpse and identify the finger prints later than doing it on the spot. Not the most pleasant of procedures, but it is not mutilating a corpse just for the fun of it. We are losing touch with all reason when you can shoot an enemy dead in war and that's fine, but then get in trouble for cutting the hands off the corpse to identify the body. Once the former is permitted then the latter really becomes rather irrelevant as far as treatment of another goes.

exactly.  it is war after all against soldiers who don't wear a uniform and who under the Geneva convention are afforded ZERO PROTECTIONS.  against an enemy that pre-emptively attacked the west and killed civilians.  frankly, the Taliban get treated a whole lot better than they deserve. 100 years ago an invading army with the power of NATO would just level the entire country and eliminate every single person there.  Be grateful for the way we treat enemies now.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

No way! Our troops would never do that. They cut their own hands off, right after they shot themselves.

I always thought that after bazooka-ing themselves, they wouldn't need to cut their own hands off.

Quantum wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:10pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:04pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:48pm: Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF. I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation. Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation. Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around. Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!! So you are basically admitting to looking forward to the day when some muzzy wackjob walks into a public area in Australia and blows it up, killing dozens or possibly hundreds of civilians. It will just be Karma and you will find it sweet. If what you just said can have any other interpretation I am happy to hear it.    pansi is just a maggot.  not worth the effort to step on. Yes. The hatred she has towards the west, and the naive love she has towards southern Asia as well as the Muslim world is amazing. I don't think I have encountered anyone else who has such hatred for (supposedly) their own nation.

she is the kind of person who should be forcibly emigrated to Pakistan and see how much she loves their 'equality' and social welfare.

Big Dave wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:58pm:

The Coalition is packing up as we speak. The Taliban are going to start killing woman and children . They'll put Afghanistan back a thousand years. How do you feel about that?

Afghanistan has never been a modern civilization, they were killing women and children before the invasion and no doubt this will continue after the last troops pull out.

What has the war accomplished? apart from a lot of civilian casualties from both the coalition of the killing and the Muslim radicals.

Who installed the Taliban as a political party? Who funded their office in Qatar? Who is sending them off to fight in other regions?

The women of Afghanistan will have to take charge of their own futures and this could take another hundred years, but there's nothing the west can do, except make the problem worse.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:10pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:04pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:48pm: Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF. I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation. Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation. Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around. Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!! So you are basically admitting to looking forward to the day when some muzzy wackjob walks into a public area in Australia and blows it up, killing dozens or possibly hundreds of civilians. It will just be Karma and you will find it sweet. If what you just said can have any other interpretation I am happy to hear it.    pansi is just a maggot.  not worth the effort to step on. Yes. The hatred she has towards the west, and the naive love she has towards southern Asia as well as the Muslim world is amazing. I don't think I have encountered anyone else who has such hatred for (supposedly) their own nation.    she is the kind of person who should be forcibly emigrated to Pakistan and see how much she loves their 'equality' and social welfare.

Is your problem with my argument or your comprehension skills?

Looking back over what I wrote and the way you've answered, I'd say it's a lack of comprehension on your part.

You do know that I love Australia, I'm just ashamed of what it has become, that's why I fight against its slip into moral decay.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Big Dave wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:58pm: The Coalition is packing up as we speak. The Taliban are going to start killing woman and children . They'll put Afghanistan back a thousand years. How do you feel about that?  Afghanistan has never been a modern civilization, they were killing women and children before the invasion and no doubt this will continue after the last troops pull out. What has the war accomplished? apart from a lot of civilian casualties from both the coalition of the killing and the Muslim radicals. Who installed the Taliban as a political party? Who funded their office in Qatar? Who is sending them off to fight in other regions? The women of Afghanistan will have to take charge of their own futures and this could take another hundred years, but there's nothing the west can do, except make the problem worse.

The sisterhood in action...

let them be raped and executed and sit by and do nothing about it because....  'I am a coward and my fellow women don't really interest me'

you are a maggot.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Big Dave wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:58pm: The Coalition is packing up as we speak. The Taliban are going to start killing woman and children . They'll put Afghanistan back a thousand years. How do you feel about that?  Afghanistan has never been a modern civilization, they were killing women and children before the invasion and no doubt this will continue after the last troops pull out. What has the war accomplished? apart from a lot of civilian casualties from both the coalition of the killing and the Muslim radicals. Who installed the Taliban as a political party? Who funded their office in Qatar? Who is sending them off to fight in other regions? The women of Afghanistan will have to take charge of their own futures and this could take another hundred years, but there's nothing the west can do, except make the problem worse.

Women and girls have an education in most parts of Afghanistan at the moment. Kabul even has a shopping mall. Women are in politics and the media. To say that nothing positive has come out of putting the Taliban out of power is just silly. How do women in Afghanistan forge out a future with a gun pointed at them. I feel sorry for their futures. I hate seeing fanatics bugger the lives of little children up.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 5:01pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:10pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:04pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:48pm: Fits a pattern of war crimes by ADF. I think it's ok, the ADF gives the families of the victims $200 in compensation. Oh! how we cry when their cousins blow up tall buildings or hack a blokes head off in retaliation. Do we really think there will be no retaliation for Syria? What goes around comes around. Remember karma folks!.....sweet!!!! So you are basically admitting to looking forward to the day when some muzzy wackjob walks into a public area in Australia and blows it up, killing dozens or possibly hundreds of civilians. It will just be Karma and you will find it sweet. If what you just said can have any other interpretation I am happy to hear it.    pansi is just a maggot.  not worth the effort to step on. Yes. The hatred she has towards the west, and the naive love she has towards southern Asia as well as the Muslim world is amazing. I don't think I have encountered anyone else who has such hatred for (supposedly) their own nation.    she is the kind of person who should be forcibly emigrated to Pakistan and see how much she loves their 'equality' and social welfare. Is your problem with my argument or your comprehension skills? Looking back over what I wrote and the way you've answered, I'd say it's a lack of comprehension on your part. You do know that I love Australia, I'm just ashamed of what it has become, that's why I fight against its slip into moral decay.

only as long as that 'fight' doesn't involve actual fighting or supporting some poor 7yo brown girl in Afghanistan who is raped and butchered for wanting to learn to read. Cowardly people like you make me want to vomit.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Karma is sweet, is it not? I don't look forward to anyone getting killed or injured, what a ridiculous thing to say. I am a humanitarian, anti war, pro peace, make of that what you will.

As long as I have known you, that every time an Aussie soldier has been killed serving his country, it has managed to perk you up to the point where you can Laugh Out Loud somewhere in his death notice posting.

Everyone else sends condolances and manages to mention RIP, not you it's always a big fvcken LOL for you.

You have a deep hatred for our country and especially those who serve, and the replies to your protests of innocence prove what Im saying.


You are a vile hateful person and always have been.

Should we be in Saudi Arabia, where women also have no rights? They are stoned to death without trial or justice. That's America's biggest allie, shame about that.

America is on record as saying that's the ideal model to follow in the Midlle East.

How can you praise one and condemn the other.

What about typing in 'abuse against females in the American defence forces'?

At the end of the day you just can't wage a war every time there's injustices.

Do you people even remember the sexist and misogynist comments you said about Gillard when she was PM? and now you have the hide to worry about the plight of women.

More people have been killed during the invasion than the ten years prior, how's that helping? now we bail out and leave them at the mercy of the Taliban. I just can't praise those efforts.

I read a protest sign

Peace through bombing
is like smacking for vaginity

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Should we be in Saudi Arabia, where women also have no rights? They are stoned to death without trial or justice. That's America's biggest allie, shame about that. America is on record as saying that's the ideal model to follow in the Midlle East. How can you praise one and condemn the other. What about typing in 'abuse against females in the American defence forces'? At the end of the day you just can't wage a war every time there's injustices. Do you people even remember the sexist and misogynist comments you said about Gillard when she was PM? and now you have the hide to worry about the plight of women. More people have been killed during the invasion than the ten years prior, how's that helping? now we bail out and leave them at the mercy of the Taliban. I just can't praise those efforts. I read a protest sign Peace through bombing is like smacking for vaginity

and it is your simple naïve stupidity that thinks that sign even makes sense.  the violence of Hitler and Tojo were ended by BOMBINGS.  the atomic BOMB ensure the cold war remained cold.

you are a stupid stupid person who has very little idea how the real world works and still you are happy for little girls to be raped and murdered rather than fight to protect them.  You disgust me.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

only as long as that 'fight' doesn't involve actual fighting or supporting some poor 7yo brown girl in Afghanistan who is raped and butchered for wanting to learn to read. Cowardly people like you make me want to vomit.

When are you joining up?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 5:43pm: Should we be in Saudi Arabia, where women also have no rights? They are stoned to death without trial or justice. That's America's biggest allie, shame about that. America is on record as saying that's the ideal model to follow in the Midlle East. How can you praise one and condemn the other. What about typing in 'abuse against females in the American defence forces'? At the end of the day you just can't wage a war every time there's injustices. Do you people even remember the sexist and misogynist comments you said about Gillard when she was PM? and now you have the hide to worry about the plight of women. More people have been killed during the invasion than the ten years prior, how's that helping? now we bail out and leave them at the mercy of the Taliban. I just can't praise those efforts. I read a protest sign Peace through bombing is like smacking for vaginity and it is your simple naïve stupidity that thinks that sign even makes sense.  the violence of Hitler and Tojo were ended by BOMBINGS.  the atomic BOMB ensure the cold war remained cold. you are a stupid stupid person who has very little idea how the real world works and still you are happy for little girls to be raped and murdered rather than fight to protect them.  You disgust me.

You are too stupid to converse with, besides I always feel a little ikky after talking to people like you.

Keep those bombs dropping old boy.

Over and out.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:50pm:

the violence of Hitler and Tojo were ended by BOMBINGS.  the atomic BOMB ensure the cold war remained cold.

Incorrect.

Hitler was stopped by his idiotic unsuccessful invasion of Russia, which was replied to by a Soviet invasion of Berlin.

Tojo was stopped by the US use of radar which rendered the Japanese navy ineffective.

The US dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they dropped on Japan and Germany combined, yet failed to win the war.

True Colours wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 5:50pm: the violence of Hitler and Tojo were ended by BOMBINGS.  the atomic BOMB ensure the cold war remained cold. Incorrect. Hitler was stopped by his idiotic unsuccessful invasion of Russia, which was replied to by a Soviet invasion of Berlin. Tojo was stopped by the US use of radar which rendered the Japanese navy ineffective. The US dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they dropped on Germany, yet failed to win the war.

and if the allies had never bombed Europe what do  you think would have happened??

try again.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 6:06pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 5:50pm: the violence of Hitler and Tojo were ended by BOMBINGS.  the atomic BOMB ensure the cold war remained cold. Incorrect. Hitler was stopped by his idiotic unsuccessful invasion of Russia, which was replied to by a Soviet invasion of Berlin. Tojo was stopped by the US use of radar which rendered the Japanese navy ineffective. The US dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they dropped on Germany, yet failed to win the war. and if the allies had never bombed Europe what do  you think would have happened?? try again.

And I suppose the allied second front had nothing to do with the fall of Hitler either.

True Colours wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 5:50pm: the violence of Hitler and Tojo were ended by BOMBINGS.  the atomic BOMB ensure the cold war remained cold. Incorrect. Hitler was stopped by his idiotic unsuccessful invasion of Russia, which was replied to by a Soviet invasion of Berlin.

And what did the Russians do when retaliating? Throw marshmallows at them? Say bad things about the mums of their enemies? No explosives involved at all, ay?


Quote:

Tojo was stopped by the US use of radar which rendered the Japanese navy ineffective.

And what did the USA do with that Radar information? Tell the Japanese that they know where their ships are? It wasn't a smacking game of battleship you ignorant Islamic clown.

Why the hell do you keep making crap up about the past? Did a certain demented Cat invite you to this forum by any chance?

After viewing the poo fight this has turned into - I am withdrawing my comments.

Big Dave wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 6:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 6:06pm: True Colours wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 5:50pm: the violence of Hitler and Tojo were ended by BOMBINGS.  the atomic BOMB ensure the cold war remained cold. Incorrect. Hitler was stopped by his idiotic unsuccessful invasion of Russia, which was replied to by a Soviet invasion of Berlin. Tojo was stopped by the US use of radar which rendered the Japanese navy ineffective. The US dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they dropped on Germany, yet failed to win the war. and if the allies had never bombed Europe what do  you think would have happened?? try again. And I suppose the allied second front had nothing to do with the fall of Hitler either.

you do know the invaders BOMBED the Nazis, right?  They didn't throw leaflets!

Quantum wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:56pm: So cutting the hand off a corpse is FUNNY? I would expect nothing less from the usual suspects, but Kat.....I had some respect for you. It's gone now. What is funny is the issue that is made of this. The information that we have so far is that the ADF attempts to identify insurgents that have been killed by collecting finger prints when safe to do so. In this situation it was considered safer to remove the hands of the corpse and identify the finger prints later than doing it on the spot. Not the most pleasant of procedures, but it is not mutilating a corpse just for the fun of it. We are losing touch with all reason when you can shoot an enemy dead in war and that's fine, but then get in trouble for cutting the hands off the corpse to identify the body. Once the former is permitted then the latter really becomes rather irrelevant as far as treatment of another goes.

How is that humorous?

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:46pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:21pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:56pm: So cutting the hand off a corpse is FUNNY? I would expect nothing less from the usual suspects, but Kat.....I had some respect for you. It's gone now. What is funny is the issue that is made of this. The information that we have so far is that the ADF attempts to identify insurgents that have been killed by collecting finger prints when safe to do so. In this situation it was considered safer to remove the hands of the corpse and identify the finger prints later than doing it on the spot. Not the most pleasant of procedures, but it is not mutilating a corpse just for the fun of it. We are losing touch with all reason when you can shoot an enemy dead in war and that's fine, but then get in trouble for cutting the hands off the corpse to identify the body. Once the former is permitted then the latter really becomes rather irrelevant as far as treatment of another goes.    How is that humorous?

Well, my comments were no more than a bit of word-play.

Black humour, yes, but humour all the same.

I thought it was better than some of the 'kill 'em all' comments
we usually get.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:46pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 4:21pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 1:56pm: So cutting the hand off a corpse is FUNNY? I would expect nothing less from the usual suspects, but Kat.....I had some respect for you. It's gone now. What is funny is the issue that is made of this. The information that we have so far is that the ADF attempts to identify insurgents that have been killed by collecting finger prints when safe to do so. In this situation it was considered safer to remove the hands of the corpse and identify the finger prints later than doing it on the spot. Not the most pleasant of procedures, but it is not mutilating a corpse just for the fun of it. We are losing touch with all reason when you can shoot an enemy dead in war and that's fine, but then get in trouble for cutting the hands off the corpse to identify the body. Once the former is permitted then the latter really becomes rather irrelevant as far as treatment of another goes.    How is that humorous?

People making a mountain out a molehill can be humorous. There is nothing funny about what happened, just the overreactions to it.