Abbott mentioned today that a burqa is confronting

Some of Australia's heroes wear masks - Ned Kelly and Dame Edna comes to mind  :D :D

A full burqa is like a tent from head to toe with only the eyes visible. Put a pair of sunnies on that and you have uncle IT walking around the streets.

You can't really tell if the person underneath the burqa is male or female - has a weapon or not

There are plenty of incidents in Europe - bank robbers wore full burqas to rob banks.

There is no way to identify the person wearing a burqa.

Been to an airport where someone try to scan people wearing a burqa?

Lets see how many posts gets posted before lefties starts screaming "racist"

Burkas are confronting. It's not like you've ever said- hey look, a ninja, this will end well

Burkas are not confronting.

I can't believe Abbott actually said that. Why is it that when politicians finally get round to addressing the problems with Islam they end up picking on the women? He is as bad as the French president.

Talk about actual oppression? Can't touch that. Might upset the menfolk. Lets talk about signs of oppression instead.

I also had a bit of a chuckle at Abbott describing a plan from a science fiction novel to shoot suspects with a GPS tracking device from a high powered sniper rifle (his candidate appears to think it is a company that can supply the device, not a novel) as "the micro-detail of policing".

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/burqa-confronting-says-tony-abbott-as-he-defends-candidate-ray-king-20130831-2sx8l.html

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has confessed to finding the burqa "confronting" while defending Liberal candidate Ray King for describing the Islamic attire as a "sign of oppression".

Asked whether he supported the statements by Mr King, who drew a link between the burqa and criminality at a fund-raiser, Mr Abbott admitted he found it "a very confronting attire".

"Frankly, it's not the sort of attire that I would like to see widespread in our streets," Mr Abbott told reporters on Saturday, while campaigning in Queensland.

Mr King, the former Liverpool police commander standing against Treasurer Chris Bowen in the western Sydney seat of McMahon, urged an end to Muslim women wearing the burqa.
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He also drew a link between the burqa and criminality at the $300-a-head fund-raiser in Smithfield in May, where guests included the disgraced former detective Roger Rogerson, according to an attendee.

Despite expressing concern about the burqa, Mr Abbott said people were "entitled to make their choice" to wear the Islamic attire.

He defended Mr King as having an "unblemished record".

Mr King was the subject of a complaint to the Community Relations Commission in 2011 over allegedly racist remarks he made at a "meet and greet" with migrant representatives.

Mr Abbott refused to comment on a separate Fairfax Media report revealing Mr King had proposed a radical new policing system in which criminal suspects would be injected with satellite-trackable microchips shot from a "high powered sniper rifle".

"I'm just not going to get into the micro-detail of policing," Mr Abbott said.

He accused the Labor Party of running a smear campaign against Mr King.

"Ray King is a decorated police officer with an umblemished record," he said.

"His integrity and professionalism has been repeatedly vouched for."

Mr King appeared before the Wood royal commission into the NSW police force over the practice of Fairfield detectives receiving free meals and alcohol from the Marconi Club in exchange for an informal security presence.

When questioned subsequently about his comments on the burqa, Mr King rejected saying they had no place in Australian society.

Maqqa, not surprisingly given his general level of ignorance, doesn't understand the difference between race and religion.

I don't find the burqa at least confronting. Why would you?

The vote is 4:1

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:26pm:

Maqqa, not surprisingly given his general level of ignorance, doesn't understand the difference between race and religion. I don't find the burqa at least confronting. Why would you?

nothing to do with religion, burqa is cultural.
very unhealthy, ugly, oppressive.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Health_Effects_of_Islamic_Dress
Only radicals socialists like you see it as a norm, and continue to support the oppression
but then again, maybe we should support it, so one of your grand-daughters will try it one day.

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Burkas are not confronting...

nuff said, definitely not voting the greens  ::)

Does phoney Tony find a nun in a habit confronting? What a dick. ::)

I actually think that it should be banned. Muslims have no intention of assimilating into the australian way of life. Th come here and form their little ghettos, try to kick out anyone who isn't Muslim, and have up to 10 kids a family, and then claim welfare. Muslims are parasites.

matty wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 11:15pm:

I actually think that it should be banned. Muslims have no inetion of assimilating into the australian way of life. They come here and form their little ghettos, try to kick out anyone who isn't Muslim, and have up to 10 kids a family, and then claim welfare. Muslims are parasites.

Yes dear.

Bankstown and Fairfield = Middle East in Australia. Go there and see how long it takes to find someone with blonde hair and blue eyes.

matty wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 11:15pm:

... Muslims have no inetion of assimilating.

When will Matty integrate and learn how to speak and or/spell English?

matty wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Bankstown and Fairfield = Middle East in Australia. Go there and see how long it takes to find someone with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Could say the same about

Richmond  = Vietnam in Australia
Caulfield = Israel in Australia
Box Hill = China in Australia
Brunswick = Italy in Australia
Oakleigh = Greece in Australia

Care factor? None.

My brother lived in Fairfield for two years until 10 months ago. I never seen a person in a burka on all my visits. Good food there though.

With the amount of ugly Arab women out there,  the  Burqa should be compulsory 

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Is a burqa confronting?

NO!

My wife Mohammed inists on me wearing the burpa while outdoors. If women get a mere glimpse of my hair I am in danger of being raped. Just the other day a woman was leering at me and she chased me when I got off the train. I made it home - just - in one piece and looked in the mirror to see what was driving that mad woman crazy. Sure 'nuff some of my nose hair was visible. My hair is so hot it can start a bushfire. Muslim men are sex bombs capable of making any women go weak at the knees.

Inshallah.

freediver

Being a non-religious person I am not impressed at overt religious symbology for any religion.

The only issue I have with burqa is the practical side in identification in situations where its required for safety and security.

Confronting ? no

I see people who wish to wear silly outfits like the Catholic Bishops are rather moronic but as long as they don't cause any problems they are perfectly entitled to hypocritically/arrogantly/moronically display their religion.

Given the behaviour of the religion in question, I saw a police show where they were investigating a family laundering millions of dollars out of Australia. The family rather stupidly sent out one of the women in a Burqa to try to take a suit case full of over 3 million out of Australia. Let me think how not to draw attention to yourself with security and customs ???? I know wear Burqa :-)

Ok I am really religious and do not want to shame myself by displaying too much flesh because that is immoral, but laundering money for drug dealers that is perfectly ok ?

The Burqa is culturally  inappropriate in our society and culture. You want to live here and you wish to wear this attire then you must get used to being mistrusted. That is the way our culture is and it is not going to change any time soon. It is not religious attire.

Apart from being a symbol of a womans second class status, wearing a burqua is a cultural 'up yours' to Australia and our way of life. It indicates that the wearer has no intention of fitting in to our society and respecting our culture.

I see burqa clad women quite constantly when I shop in my area. Women who wear it usually travel in pairs. It is a shocker and does turn heads. Especially from other women. There's nothing else like it when you look at how Australians dress. But these women don't bother anybody and usually keep their heads down. My concern is how they handle the Australian summer being covered up in black. The Afghan burqa is blue obviously because of this reason. It couldn't be comfortable.

Two words..Dog Whistling

Big Dave wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:35am:

I see burqa clad women quite constantly when I shop in my area. Women who wear it usually travel in pairs. It is a shocker and does turn heads. Especially from other women. There's nothing else like it when you look at how Australians dress. But these women don't bother anybody and usually keep their heads down. My concern is how they handle the Australian summer being covered up in black. The Afghan burqa is blue obviously because of this reason. It couldn't be comfortable.

The funniest comment I heard on that is calling it the "March of the Penguins"

That is my point, being overtly religious does not impress me but as long as you don't cause trouble I really could not care less.

FYI Muslims are not the only religion that has silly outfits.

I have a big issue when religions cause trouble in the name of their religion or hide behind religion to promote radicalism often a bold face corrupt view of that religion.  All religions do this to some degree at varying times throughout history.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:25am:

Apart from being a symbol of a womans second class status, wearing a burqua is a cultural 'up yours' to Australia and our way of life. It indicates that the wearer has no intention of fitting in to our society and respecting our culture.

Belgarion

Can not agree, I actually do know many Muslims, Burqa wearers and not.

The only issue I have with the Muslims as a collective is how they act, they can wear all the silly outfits they like.

Often when its about their behaviour its often a small % acting in a very odd way ?

If you migrate here ..... I prefer you leave your radical ideas back in the cesspits you came from.

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:42am:

I have a big issue when religions cause trouble in the name of their religion or hide behind religion to promote radicalism often a bold face corrupt view of that religion.  All religions do this to some degree at varying times throughout history.

Islam did this the most in Muhammed's time.

Not being able to discern whether the person walking past you is male or female, has a weapon, or explosive vest under this garment, is confronting in western society. Female African immigrants are not allowed to walk down the main street topless, nor I suspect would they want to. If immigrants want to wear other suitable garments associated with their culture, that's fine but they must be acceptable to the people in the country they've decided to reside in. France has banned them, in UK and the US they allow them, I think France has the right idea.

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:42am:

Big Dave wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 9:35am: I see burqa clad women quite constantly when I shop in my area. Women who wear it usually travel in pairs. It is a shocker and does turn heads. Especially from other women. There's nothing else like it when you look at how Australians dress. But these women don't bother anybody and usually keep their heads down. My concern is how they handle the Australian summer being covered up in black. The Afghan burqa is blue obviously because of this reason. It couldn't be comfortable. The funniest comment I heard on that is calling it the "March of the Penguins" That is my point, being overtly religious does not impress me but as long as you don't cause trouble I really could not care less. FYI Muslims are not the only religion that has silly outfits. I have a big issue when religions cause trouble in the name of their religion or hide behind religion to promote radicalism often a bold face corrupt view of that religion.  All religions do this to some degree at varying times throughout history.

Maybe the burqa says to some people that a very strict interpretation of islam exists in Australia. Wherever the burqa is present in the world war and trouble  isn't far away. Maybe that is why some people are unsettled by it.

viewpoint wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:55am:

Not being able to discern whether the person walking past you is male or female, has a weapon, or explosive vest under this garment, is confronting in western society. Female African immigrants are not allowed to walk down the main street topless, nor I suspect would they want to. If immigrants want to wear other suitable garments associated with their culture, that's fine but they must be acceptable to the people in the country they've decided to reside in. France has banned them, in UK and the US they allow them, I think France has the right idea.

Do you freak out every time you see someone carrying a cardboard box or wearing a heavy jacket?

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 9:55am: Not being able to discern whether the person walking past you is male or female, has a weapon, or explosive vest under this garment, is confronting in western society. Female African immigrants are not allowed to walk down the main street topless, nor I suspect would they want to. If immigrants want to wear other suitable garments associated with their culture, that's fine but they must be acceptable to the people in the country they've decided to reside in. France has banned them, in UK and the US they allow them, I think France has the right idea. Do you freak out every time you see someone carrying a cardboard box or wearing a heavy jacket?

Tony Abbott specifically mentioned the Head dress only ???

His comment was not refering to full body covering at all.

I wonder if I approached Abbott in a burqa, thong and thongs, what he would find most confronting.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 9:55am: Not being able to discern whether the person walking past you is male or female, has a weapon, or explosive vest under this garment, is confronting in western society. Female African immigrants are not allowed to walk down the main street topless, nor I suspect would they want to. If immigrants want to wear other suitable garments associated with their culture, that's fine but they must be acceptable to the people in the country they've decided to reside in. France has banned them, in UK and the US they allow them, I think France has the right idea. Do you freak out every time you see someone carrying a cardboard box or wearing a heavy jacket?

no only when I see people putting up VOTE GREEN placards...

I figure someones left the gate to the asylum open AGAIN>.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:36am:

I wonder if I approached Abbott in a burqa, thong and thongs, what he would find most confronting.

well why dont you try it........ he is on the hussle this week... get in and have a go,... just watch his left.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:16am:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 9:55am: Not being able to discern whether the person walking past you is male or female, has a weapon, or explosive vest under this garment, is confronting in western society. Female African immigrants are not allowed to walk down the main street topless, nor I suspect would they want to. If immigrants want to wear other suitable garments associated with their culture, that's fine but they must be acceptable to the people in the country they've decided to reside in. France has banned them, in UK and the US they allow them, I think France has the right idea. Do you freak out every time you see someone carrying a cardboard box or wearing a heavy jacket?

Why do terrorists wear cardboard boxes? Are our troops being blown to pieces on building sites?

Don't be silly eh!

vote is 15:7

Here Fido..here Fido..whistle..whistle  :D

Big Dave

When you say strict interpretation that sends bad messages that do worry people.

The first one that I feel when I hear that is the religion is above common law, that I have a big problem with and while many religions struggle with separation of church and state, no doubt Islam is at the top of that critique.

Unfortunately many Muslim leaders seem to confirm that stereotype.

Other religions do the same.

What I will say is that strict interpretation is the exception in most religions, I know Hindi's who eat beef and I worked with a Jew that ate bacon and eggs.

WRT to the Burqa, I know more Muslims that do not wear such then do.

Is Abbott's choice of clothing confronting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxY2JGMWW38

Abbott in attire of a life saver in keeping with Australia's long tradition of helping others you mean?

Yeah I'll take that over a piece of dress from a religion that regards women as second class citizens.

viewpoint wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:45am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:16am: viewpoint wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 9:55am: Not being able to discern whether the person walking past you is male or female, has a weapon, or explosive vest under this garment, is confronting in western society. Female African immigrants are not allowed to walk down the main street topless, nor I suspect would they want to. If immigrants want to wear other suitable garments associated with their culture, that's fine but they must be acceptable to the people in the country they've decided to reside in. France has banned them, in UK and the US they allow them, I think France has the right idea. Do you freak out every time you see someone carrying a cardboard box or wearing a heavy jacket? Why do terrorists wear cardboard boxes? Are our troops being blown to pieces on building sites? Don't be silly eh!

Do you think that you would somehow eliminate terrorism by making burqas illegal? That they would not be able to think of any other way to hide their bomb?

Bomb vests are not hidden under burqas. They are hidden under shirts.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 11:24am:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:45am: freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:16am: viewpoint wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 9:55am: Not being able to discern whether the person walking past you is male or female, has a weapon, or explosive vest under this garment, is confronting in western society. Female African immigrants are not allowed to walk down the main street topless, nor I suspect would they want to. If immigrants want to wear other suitable garments associated with their culture, that's fine but they must be acceptable to the people in the country they've decided to reside in. France has banned them, in UK and the US they allow them, I think France has the right idea. Do you freak out every time you see someone carrying a cardboard box or wearing a heavy jacket? Why do terrorists wear cardboard boxes? Are our troops being blown to pieces on building sites? Don't be silly eh! Do you think that you would somehow eliminate terrorism by making burqas illegal? That they would not be able to think of any other way to hide their bomb? Bomb vests are not hidden under burqas. They are hidden under shirts.

And you know this how?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/files/2013/03/CartoonBurqa.jpg

Nothing will eliminate terrorism, but nothing is gained by people clinging to totally inappropriate garb which if we went to their country of origin would NOT be tolerated. Jeez, women in some Muslim countries are not allowed to drive a vehicle irrespective of whether they are westerners working in that country, they demand that a male only drives the car!

I find Tony Abbott hanging around children in his speedos and strop hat more confronting than a woman covering up.
If Burqas upset your delicate constitution any overseas trip is out of the question because they are everywhere these days.

Here spot..whistle ..whistle...here spot   ;D

the burqua is a sign of oppression against women by men who use women as assets.

http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/burka+gun.jpg

Ottawa: Man wearing hijab robs bank. One more reason to ban the burqa.

OTTAWA CITIZEN — A man used a Muslim woman’s religious garment as a disguise to rob a bank at the Pinecrest Mall on Thursday, police said.

Sgt. Mark Myers said the man, who wore a blue robe and a head scarf concealing his mouth and nose, passed a note demanding money to a bank teller at a Scotiabank branch around noon.

The teller handed over an undisclosed amount of cash.

The suspect then fled the bank, heading eastbound on foot, he said.

Myers said that since the summer, there have been a handful of other robberies in Ottawa involving male suspects using Muslim women’s religious garments as disguises. He was not immediately able to answer how many such robberies there have been or whether police suspect they have been committed by the same person.

The sergeant said police are confident the suspect is a man because at one point during the robbery, he spoke in a masculine voice.

The three or four customers in the bank at the time were uninjured. The bank remained closed for the rest of the day.

“We are thankful that our employees and our customers who were in the branch at the time are safe,” said Ann Derabbie, a Bank of Nova Scotia spokeswoman in Toronto. “We will be offering counselling support (to employees) should any of them need it.”

Police described the suspect as male with dark skin, dark eyes and bushy eyebrows, standing about five-foot-10 with a slim build. He was wearing what police described as a dark blue hijab with designs around the head and neck and a long, dark-blue robe. The suspect spoke English with a slight accent.

If only for the sake of crime prevention, burqas should be banned in Australia before the above type of offense gives idiots and drug addicts a great disguise to carry out crimes to feed their addiction.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 11:42am:

the burqua is a sign of oppression against women by men who use women as assets.

http://muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/nun-hijab-upload.jpg

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l97doy8OII1qcamkko1_r1_500.png

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjnr6FQ691rq2sb0o1_500.jpg

http://www.inminds.co.uk/hijab-demo-17jan04-717.jpg


http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/C7dXXA6Ck8E/hqdefault.jpg

In the western world, a woman chooses to be a nun.

In the Islamic world a woman is TOLD to wear a burqa. As well as not driving, must walk behind her husband etc.


If you can't see the difference you're an idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KabbzQXbZM

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 12:07pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:42am: the burqua is a sign of oppression against women by men who use women as assets. http://muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/nun-hijab-upload.jpg http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l97doy8OII1qcamkko1_r1_500.png http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjnr6FQ691rq2sb0o1_500.jpg http://www.inminds.co.uk/hijab-demo-17jan04-717.jpg

There is one thing wrong with that cartoon of the burqa clad woman- it shows too much flesh around the eyes. I've seen women wearing the burqa showing not one piece of flesh. Gloves, sunglasses. Absolutely everything covered.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPejY/TCOcMIExaTI/AAAAAAAAEiE/WzCQSOEXV4s/s1600/holo_2%5B1%5D.jpg

Ah.....now this isn't confronting is it?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 12:11pm:

In the Islamic world a woman is TOLD to wear a burqa. As well as not driving, must walk behind her husband etc.

Can you tell us exactly where women are being told to wear a burka? I lived in Indonesia - world's biggest Muslim nation - for two years and never saw a woman wearing a burka.


THe highest qualified Islamic scholar in Australia - Sheikh Abu Aymen - has said that the burka is not compulsory for women, and his wife and daughters do not wear it.

In Taliban controlled Afghanistan under Sharia Law, women were taken away on the streets if they didn't wear a burqa.

Then again a load of you idiots on here were against us taking them out too....

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 12:11pm: In the Islamic world a woman is TOLD to wear a burqa. As well as not driving, must walk behind her husband etc. Can you tell us exactly where women are being told to wear a burka? I lived in Indonesia - world's biggest Muslim nation - for two years and never saw a woman wearing a burka.

I'm pretty sure many women are told to wear the burqa in Afghanistan. Somalia is another one. The fringe hardcore places and parts of islam wear it. Indonesia mostly isn't  one of these places. I'm sure some women in Indonesia wear it. Probably amongst the same people who blew those tourists up in Bali.

http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/burqa-vs-skirt1.jpg

Two Muslim women walking down the street, which one do you think is "confronting"?

The French have the right idea - ban it.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 12:25pm:

In Taliban controlled Afghanistan under Sharia Law, women were taken away on the streets if they didn't wear a burqa. Then again a load of you idiots on here were against us taking them out too....

So you can only name 1 country out of the 56 Muslim countries of the world - and even that example is out of date.


The Taliban did not even hold that the burka was compulsory on religious grounds. They though that ordering women to wear a burka might make women safer in a country that had suffered from years of lawlessness after the Soviet invasion.



Even the Taliban are rethinking their positions on these issues:


WikiLeaks cables: ex-Taliban admit mistakes over 'old strict rules'

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 12:41pm:

The French have the right idea - ban it.

So the Taliban are wrong because they tell women what they can wear? And you think you are better than the Taliban because you want to tell women what they can wear?


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 12:41pm: The French have the right idea - ban it. So the Taliban are wrong because they tell women what they can wear? And you think you are better than the Taliban because you want to tell women what they can wear? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The Ku Klux Klan uniform is banned in most if not all States of the US, not only for its potential to incite race hatred, but also because the wearer is able to conceal many weapons under this form of dress, and because a mask of any kind is confronting, especially in a country where this form of dress is alien, banning the burqa is no different, this type of garb makes most people in this country uneasy, and that is wrong.

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but also because the wearer is able to conceal many weapons under this form of dress, and because a mask of any kind is confronting

BS

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Quote: but also because the wearer is able to conceal many weapons under this form of dress, and because a mask of any kind is confronting BS

Yes, you seem to spout it quite often.

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 12:07pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:42am: the burqua is a sign of oppression against women by men who use women as assets. http://muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/nun-hijab-upload.jpg http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l97doy8OII1qcamkko1_r1_500.png http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjnr6FQ691rq2sb0o1_500.jpg http://www.inminds.co.uk/hijab-demo-17jan04-717.jpg http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/C7dXXA6Ck8E/hqdefault.jpg

Nuns never cover their faces, neither they refuse to be identified.
Nuns are not oppressed by males
Nuns don't have to share a husband
Nuns don't get stoned
Nuns don't dress little girls in this nonesense

As Andrei said: it's their choice, you evil hypocrite

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Nuns are not oppressed by males

Are you sure?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4905464-3x2-940x627.jpg


Vatican confirms report of sexual abuse and rape of nuns by priests in 23 countries


Vatican 'knew of widespread abuse'

A day after the emergence of a report on the rape of nuns by priests, the Roman Catholic Aid Agency, Cafod, has confirmed that it showed the Vatican the report seven years ago.

The leaked report said that priests and missionaries across several continents were forcing nuns to have sex with them.

On Tuesday, the Vatican confirmed that such abuse had been taking place...

...Among the abuses detailed is the case of a nun being forced to have an abortion by the priest who impregnated her. She later died and he officiated at her requiem mass.

Also cited is the case of a mother superior who repeatedly complained to her local bishop that priests in the diocese had made 29 of her nuns pregnant

The bishop, according to the report, subsequently relieved her of her duties.

'Disturbing testimonies'

In particular, the report singles out Africa where priests and missionaries, wary of catching HIV, have targetted nuns in a bid for safe sex.

The report, which was leaked to respected American Journal, the National Catholic Reporter, was written seven years ago by a nun and physician, Maura O'Donohue, who was then Aids coordinator for the Catholic Relief Charity, Cafod.

The charity says it helped Sister O'Donohue take what it described as the "disturbing testimonies" from nuns across the world to the relevant authorities, including the Vatican.

But it says neither Cafod nor the author, who still works for the charity in London, leaked it and it was never intended to be made public.

As such, it reinforces other reports of sexual abuse and the rape of nuns on the continent by their male colleagues.

In 1998, Marie MacDonald, head of the Missionaries of Our Lady of Africa, presented a similar study on "sexual abuse and rape committed by priests" to the Vatican...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1234268.stm

http://www.sp@m.com/united-states/vatican-admits-priests-are-raping-nuns-around-the-world/question-3382051/?link=ibaf&q=&esrc=s


Vatican Admits Priests are Raping Nuns Around the World

It should be banned and I'll never move from that point.

I applaud France's ban.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:48pm:

It should be banned and I'll never move from that point. I applaud France's ban.

Hi Andrei,
I agree - we don't want these other ridiculous cultures in Australia.

Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly?

That's all their religion requires.

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:45pm:

Are you sure?

Dead right I am sure!
I have never ever heard of nun being circumcised either.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Hi Andrei, I agree - we don't want these other ridiculous cultures in Australia. Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires.

As the world has seen, there is a very thin line between just modesty and oppression. The minute they dress "modestly", they begin to require something a little more radical. Step by step we arrive at Harem

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires.

And who should decide what is 'modest'? You?

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:52pm:

I have never ever heard of nun being circumcised either.

There are many circumcised nuns in Africa where it is a cultural practice by Christians to mutilate women's genitalia.


For example, have a look at this article, and bare in mind that 62.5% of Eritrea is Christian according to wikipedia.


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According to a 1997 Demographic and Health Survey of 5,054 women nationally, 90 percent of women in Eritrea have undergone one of these forms of FGM/FGC. Most girls have this procedure performed while they are under the age of seven. Christian highlanders carry out the procedure on their daughters when they are 40 days old.... - United States Department of State, Eritrea: Report on Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) or Female Genital Cutting (FGC), 1 June 2001 http://www.refworld.org/docid/46d5787632.html

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You?

No not me - that is in their old book - the Koran.
That is all it says - it says nothing about wearing a welding suit.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 2:06pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You? No not me - that is in their old book - the Koran. That is all it says - it says nothing about wearing a welding suit.

That maybe so, but if a woman decides that her own version of modesty goes further than that, then who are you to tell her otherwise?


It is amazing the number of people who would convince themselves that they are in favour of 'freedom' - but in the same breath would tell women what they can or cannot wear.

all societies have cultural norms and no society has total freedom. We will always mistrust people whom hide thier faces and we will always have an intense dislike if not hatred for a culture which treats women as chattels. personally I say keep up the arrogant attitude because this ensures in the long term that Middle eastern immigration into this country will be opposed by voters. Abbott is preaching to the choir on this subject. Australians literally hate the Burqa and the culture which perpetuates it, it has nothing to do with religion, most people are starting to become aware of that fact.

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You?

yes, us. You were allowed into this country because we let you here. Now show some respect.

ian wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 2:25pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You? yes, us. You were allowed into this country because we let you here. Now show some respect.

The way other people dress determines the respect you feel you deserve?
I hope u dont mind me pointing out that you seem to have little respect for yourself because you keep searching for respect from strangers.

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You?

who decides, the men that own them decide, that's who.

ian wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 2:25pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You? yes, us. You were allowed into this country because we let you here. Now show some respect.

What? I was allowed into this country because that's where my mother gave birth to me you idiot.

I can trace my roots back at least six generations in this country. But I am not stupid enough to think that makes me a better person than anyone else.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 2:35pm:

ian wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 2:25pm: True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You? yes, us. You were allowed into this country because we let you here. Now show some respect. The way other people dress determines the respect you feel you deserve? I hope u dont mind me pointing out that you seem to have little respect for yourself because you keep searching for respect from strangers.

Why dont you go to an Arabic country, walk down the street dressed in shorts and a t shirt and get back to me on that.

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 3:15pm:

What? I was allowed into this country because that's where my mother gave birth to me you idiot. I can trace my roots back at least six generations in this country. But I am not stupid enough to think that makes me a better person than anyone else.

Who knows what the truth is, you talk like an arab immigrant and the bs on this forum is so thick you need a shovel sometimes. Regardless, my comment was a generalisation at those immigrants who show contempt for our culture.

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 2:06pm: True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You? No not me - that is in their old book - the Koran. That is all it says - it says nothing about wearing a welding suit. That maybe so, but if a woman decides that her own version of modesty goes further than that, then who are you to tell her otherwise? It is amazing the number of people who would convince themselves that they are in favour of 'freedom' - but in the same breath would tell women what they can or cannot wear.

Well - on the other hand - what if people decided to walk around naked?
Is that o.k.?

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:26pm:

Maqqa, not surprisingly given his general level of ignorance, doesn't understand the difference between race and religion. I don't find the burqa at least confronting. Why would you?

What did I write in this thread that shows this?

skippy. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 11:08pm:

Does phoney Tony find a nun in a habit confronting? What a dick. ::)

(1) They are nuns
(2) They don't cover their faces
(3) The nun's attire is not a tent

http://wearburqaday.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/burqa2.jpg

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 2:12pm:

... It is amazing the number of people who would convince themselves that they are in favour of 'freedom' - but in the same breath would tell women what they can or cannot wear.

Then again, can you wear a motorcycle helmet into a bank? Why is that? To me, a hidden face in a public area poses similar risks.

If concealing the face is truly Islamic, then surely every Moslem woman would do it. My conclusion is that it's a perversion of Islam.

When speaking, the words do not communicate all. Facial expression and body language play substantial roles. The all-enveloping burqa interferes. Personally, I find concealing the face deeply offensive.

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 4:34pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 11:08pm: Does phoney Tony find a nun in a habit confronting? What a dick. ::) (1) They are nuns (2) They don't cover their faces (3) The nun's attire is not a tent

1 burkas are religious too
2 most nuns should
3 nuns attire is very similar if not the same.

Is a burqa confronting?

No but saying it is may be worth some votes ???

Burqas are not religious attire, if they were the majority of the worlds Muslims would be wearing them. I dontr know how hard this is to understand, the wearing of the Burqa is cultural not religious.

ian wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Burqas are not religious attire, if they were the majority of the worlds Muslims would be wearing them. I dontr know how hard this is to understand, the wearing of the Burqa is cultural not religious.

Oh really? You must be a Matty sock no body else could be that dumb. Going on your assertions a nuns habit is not Christian attire, were you born this stupid?

skippy. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:13pm:

ian wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 5:07pm: Burqas are not religious attire, if they were the majority of the worlds Muslims would be wearing them. I dontr know how hard this is to understand, the wearing of the Burqa is cultural not religious. Oh really? You must be a Matty sock no body else could be that dumb. Going on your assertions a nuns habit is not Christian attire, were you born this stupid?

Burqas dont look like nuns habits, have you ever seen one. Thats one of the most stupid analogies I have ever heard of. Despite which your analogy is incorrect, Muslim women who wear the Burqa are not members of religious orders. Now, embarrass yourself further.

ian wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:17pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 5:13pm: ian wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 5:07pm: Burqas are not religious attire, if they were the majority of the worlds Muslims would be wearing them. I dontr know how hard this is to understand, the wearing of the Burqa is cultural not religious. Oh really? You must be a Matty sock no body else could be that dumb. Going on your assertions a nuns habit is not Christian attire, were you born this stupid? Burqas dont look like nuns habits, have you ever seen one. Thats one of the most stupid analogies I have ever heard of. Despite which your analogy is incorrect, Muslim women who wear the Burqa are not members of religious orders. Now, embarrass yourself further.

I accept your surender ,Matty, you're a loser no matter what sock you hide behind.

Maqqa wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Put a pair of sunnies on that and you have uncle IT walking around the streets.

It's COUSIN It
And Uncle Fester.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 4:29pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 2:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 2:06pm: True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 1:50pm: Why can't Muslim women just dress modestly? That's all their religion requires. And who should decide what is 'modest'? You? No not me - that is in their old book - the Koran. That is all it says - it says nothing about wearing a welding suit. That maybe so, but if a woman decides that her own version of modesty goes further than that, then who are you to tell her otherwise? It is amazing the number of people who would convince themselves that they are in favour of 'freedom' - but in the same breath would tell women what they can or cannot wear. Well - on the other hand - what if people decided to walk around naked? Is that o.k.?

It's OK with me.

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 4:52pm:

http://wearburqaday.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/burqa2.jpg

I bet that chick is really hot, look at her eyes.

skippy. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 4:34pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 11:08pm: Does phoney Tony find a nun in a habit confronting? What a dick. ::) (1) They are nuns (2) They don't cover their faces (3) The nun's attire is not a tent 1 burkas are religious too then every muslim should wear it 2 most nuns should so should you 3 nuns attire is very similar if not the same. it's the same as a burqa???  ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:23pm:

I accept your surender ,Matty, you're a loser no matter what sock you hide behind.

Thats incredible logic, you are proven completly wrong but request surrender from the other person. Matty is right about this, so is Abbott.

ian wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Burqas are not religious attire, if they were the majority of the worlds Muslims would be wearing them. I dontr know how hard this is to understand, the wearing of the Burqa is cultural not religious.

They call it a Niqab and they are 100% Islamic, if it is cultural as some claim then explain why non muslim women did not wear them back in Mohammad's day.

Safiya was one of Mohammad's wives who he got as war booty after they attacked the jews of Khaibar, he ordered her husband to be tortured to reveal the location of the tribes wealth, they lit a fire of flint and steel on his chest before chopping his head off,Mohammd married the wife of this man on the very same day, muslims say he was a  kind man who married widows.


Quote:

Will she (ie Safiya) be one of the mothers of the believers (one of the wives of the prophet) or just ( a lady captive) of what his right hand possesses. Some of them said if the prophet makes her observe the veil, then she will be one of the mothers of believers (ie one of the prophets wives) ,and if she does not observe the veil she will be his lady slave. www.sunnah.com/bukhari/64/253

In that verse we have people saying she will be a muslim if they see a veil and just a slave girl of prophet Mo if she does not wear a veil,does that indicate the veil was not common with non muslims?

So what was Mecca like before Mo started peddling his horse manure called Islam?

Quote:

During the pre islamic period of ignorance, the people used to perform Tawaf of the Ka ba naked except the Hums:and the Hums were the Quraish (jews) and their offspring. The Hums used to give clothes to the men and women who would perform Tawaf wearing them. www.sunnah.com/bukhari/25/146

There were over 360 Gods worshipped at the Ka ba before Mohammad imposed the first religious dictatorship on the world outlawing all gods except for his imaginary friend in the sky called Allah.
People performed Tawaf of the Ka ba while naked in Mecca, where did this veil come from?

I think it should be an offence to wear one while driving, if it slips the poor woman could be blindfolded by it.

If you live in Australia and wear a burqa on the street you are a complete antisocial, antagonistic, unrepentant vagina, bint. If you are treated like one, don't complain. You wanted to be noticed, commented on, even vilified - its your goddam jihadi martyrdom.
Stupid bints.  Consolation: your men are even bigger coonts than you - that goes without saying.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 6:31pm:

I think it should be an offence to wear one while driving, if it slips the poor woman could be blindfolded by it.

"poor woman"?
many events/accidents can occur, and many other poor women, or children can suffer, all for the well-being of these {poor} egoistic "minority" freaks.

I really don't give a toss what happens to that idiot behind the wheel, in that case

Do we want a PM so easily frightened ?????

the oppression argument against the burqa is a joke:

"we'll end oppression of women by telling women what they can and can't wear". Gimme a break  ::)

That said, I have no problem banning the burqa on security grounds. As I have said before, we have no problem with shop owners making bike riders remove their helmets. Why should the burqa be any different?

Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style???

>:( >:( >:(

When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:18pm:

Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style??? >:( >:( >:( When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925

Don''t be such a predictably stupid wanker. There's a limit. Think for a second - a big ask in your case - before you pronounce.

Do you really, really endorse every costume to be freely worn in public??

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:18pm:

Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style???

The problem here, though, is these "poor" freaks make their little girls dress the same way, they don't really give them a choice. You can also call it a proposition for the oppression/ or a constraint on the rights of other, unfortunate to be born in this sect, women, who do not wish, but don't really have a choice, because influential "minority" in their tribe condemns them doing so, and indirectly restricts their  choices.
Not only women, men also get to be victims, where parents restrict them from learning, there is apparently a tradition in some islamic sect that forbids this.
And it happens in our western world.
Really, I don't know who I hate more, those in the community, or you people, who support those radicals

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:49pm:

the oppression argument against the burqa is a joke: "we'll end oppression of women by telling women what they can and can't wear". Gimme a break  ::) That said, I have no problem banning the burqa on security grounds. As I have said before, we have no problem with shop owners making bike riders remove their helmets. Why should the burqa be any different?

It's not a free world if I am not free to be scared/ offended/ disgusted by such outfit.
Be it burqa, or KKK, or naked man  :-X
I may chose to watch naked man, or, well.. woman wearing a burqa at, perhaps, a theatre play, or a movie, or on the internet. But if I don't chose, this would counteract my freedom, while I never intended to inflict any evil on theirs

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm: Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style??? The problem here, though, is these "poor" freaks make their little girls dress the same way, they don't really give them a choice. You can also call it a proposition for the oppression/ or a constraint on the rights of other, unfortunate to be born in this sect, women, who do not wish, but don't really have a choice, because influential "minority" in their tribe condemns them doing so, and indirectly restricts their  choices. Not only women, men also get to be victims, where parents restrict them from learning, there is apparently a tradition in some islamic sect that forbids this. And it happens in our western world. Really, I don't know who I hate more, those in the community, or you people, who support those radicals

You think there is any chance that Abbott didn't have his girls doing the nipper thing when they were little and shock horror they seem to have grown to be bloody liberals.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm: Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style??? The problem here, though, is these "poor" freaks make their little girls dress the same way, they don't really give them a choice. You can also call it a proposition for the oppression/ or a constraint on the rights of other, unfortunate to be born in this sect, women, who do not wish, but don't really have a choice, because influential "minority" in their tribe condemns them doing so, and indirectly restricts their  choices. Not only women, men also get to be victims, where parents restrict them from learning, there is apparently a tradition in some islamic sect that forbids this. And it happens in our western world. Really, I don't know who I hate more, those in the community, or you people, who support those radicals You think there is any chance that Abbott didn't have his girls doing the nipper thing when they were little and shock horror they seem to have grown to be bloody liberals.

yeah... they have
liberals = freethinkers

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm: Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style??? >:( >:( >:( When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925 Don''t be such a predictably stupid wanker. There's a limit. Think for a second - a big ask in your case - before you pronounce. Do you really, really endorse every costume to be freely worn in public??

I respect everyone's right to express their religious or cultural freedom so long as it is not against the law.....I note you have no valid argument so you resort to petty insults.....How predictable!!!

::) ::) ::)

He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument.
Chinese Proverb

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they also want to be free expressing their culture

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:48pm: Torpedo wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm: Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style??? The problem here, though, is these "poor" freaks make their little girls dress the same way, they don't really give them a choice. You can also call it a proposition for the oppression/ or a constraint on the rights of other, unfortunate to be born in this sect, women, who do not wish, but don't really have a choice, because influential "minority" in their tribe condemns them doing so, and indirectly restricts their  choices. Not only women, men also get to be victims, where parents restrict them from learning, there is apparently a tradition in some islamic sect that forbids this. And it happens in our western world. Really, I don't know who I hate more, those in the community, or you people, who support those radicals You think there is any chance that Abbott didn't have his girls doing the nipper thing when they were little and shock horror they seem to have grown to be bloody liberals. yeah... they have liberals = freethinkers

That is the theory but in Australia the Liberal party are Australia's least Liberal party - they are conservatives with no liberal values.

The Liberals split from the UAP United Australia party in 1945 and when Menzies left the conservatives slowly took their party back to where they started.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:57pm:

That is the theory but in Australia the Liberal party are Australia's least Liberal party - they are conservatives with no liberal values. The Liberals split from the UAP United Australia party in 1945 and when Menzies left the conservatives slowly took their party back to where they started.

well, it's better the diamond with the flaw than pebble without (c)...
better than sharia fundamentalists, for sure

and.. I doubt the girls ever felt constrained, or unfairly mistreated by their dad. There is no sign of oppression  ;D

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:36pm:

Really, I don't know who I hate more

Anders is that you?

:D :D :D :D :D

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 11:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:57pm: That is the theory but in Australia the Liberal party are Australia's least Liberal party - they are conservatives with no liberal values. The Liberals split from the UAP United Australia party in 1945 and when Menzies left the conservatives slowly took their party back to where they started. well, it's better the diamond with the flaw than pebble without (c)... better than sharia fundamentalists, for sure and.. I doubt the girls ever felt constrained, or unfairly mistreated by their dad. There is no sign of oppression

The point is only that children mostly grow up like their parents, its not unusual or a form of mistreatment.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 11:20pm:

The point is only that children mostly grow up like their parents, its not unusual or a form of mistreatment.

I got your point, but you guys seem to close your eyes on the obvious, these girls grow up restrained and are taught to be oppressed, and, as mentioned earlier, these horrible dress codes also pose the health concerns.
You wouldn't like seeing 9 yo girls with foundation and lipstick, would you? Does it not concern you how these girls are brought up in this instance?
What about restricting in learning, is it also ok with you, do you seriously believe that any kid is wilful to standup for themselves?
They are kids, they are being manipulated by sick and cruel fundamentalists, and you concede!
You are not commiserative but an accomplice in this crime  >:(

True Colours wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 11:18pm:

Torpedo wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:36pm: Really, I don't know who I hate more Anders is that you? :D :D :D :D :D

Now, it is clear you are desperate

burqa aren't confronting (however i can see how it is to some), like Maqqa said, is no way to identify the person wearing a burqa, There have been plenty of incidents in Europe - bank robbers wore full burqas to rob banks etc.

Maqqa wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Abbott mentioned today that a burqa is confronting . . . . . Lets see how many posts gets posted before lefties starts screaming "racist"

Is that the abbott that wanted to become a catholic preacher? The one that has lived in the vicinity of nuns for a lot of his life?

What has racism got to do with religion?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Torpedo wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:20pm: The point is only that children mostly grow up like their parents, its not unusual or a form of mistreatment. I got your point, but you guys seem to close your eyes on the obvious, these girls grow up restrained and are taught to be oppressed, and, as mentioned earlier, these horrible dress codes also pose the health concerns. You wouldn't like seeing 9 yo girls with foundation and lipstick, would you? Does it not concern you how these girls are brought up in this instance? What about restricting in learning, is it also ok with you, do you seriously believe that any kid is wilful to standup for themselves? They are kids, they are being manipulated by sick and cruel fundamentalists, and you concede! You are not commiserative but an accomplice in this crime  >:(

I bet you think its just fine to bring up a kid with oppressive xtian "values" huh. I take it nuns habits are okay too?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Yes, a nun's habit is OK.


Elsewhere in the news:
MULTAN (PAKISTAN) :  A cleric cut his wife into pieces on Wednesday for refusing to wear a veil and sending their children to school, police said.
They said the body was recovered from near their house. They said they found his confession on the body and had also recovered the weapon he had used.
The body has been handed over to the family following a post-mortem examination.
A case has been registered against the confession-killer, who the police said had been missing.
Ahmad Aziz, father of the deceased Farzana Bibi, 36, said that she married Muhammad Sharif, 42, a resident of Bakkhal Bhir in Mumtazabad Colony.
They had three children.
Aziz said that Sharif led prayers at the neighbourhood mosque and also gave Quran lessons at their home. He said Sharif was short-tempered and would often beat up Farzana Bibi. He had been telling her to cover her face when she left the house.
Aziz said Farzana Bibi wore an abaya (gown), but did not want to cover her face.
He said they often quarreled over the matter.
Police said Aziz was informed about the incident by the police shortly after they found Farzana Bibi’s body. Police said it had first been seen by a neighbour, who informed the police.
Police said in his note, Sharif had confessed to killing Farzana Bibi.
He wrote that he had deemed his action the best way to “punish his wife for rebelling against Allah’s orders”. He wrote that he wanted all women to learn from their example.
He said he had not wanted his children to study at a school. Instead they should have gone to a religious seminary. He said Farzana Bibi had enrolled their children into an English medium school against his will. He said he had wanted to punish her for that, too.
He said he had been telling her to cover her face with a veil when she stepping outside, but she had not listened. He also wrote that he did not want to be responsible for her sins and thus killed her.
He said it had taken him time to make up his mind for this.
On Wednesday morning, after the children left for school, he wrote, he attacked her with a sharp knife, used to slaughter animals. He later cut the body into 10 pieces.
The station house officer said a police team was looking for Sharif. He said the children had been handed over to the parents of the deceased.

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:35pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm: Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style??? >:( >:( >:( When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925 Don''t be such a predictably stupid wanker. There's a limit. Think for a second - a big ask in your case - before you pronounce. Do you really, really endorse every costume to be freely worn in public?? I respect everyone's right to express their religious or cultural freedom so long as it is not against the law.....I note you have no valid argument so you resort to petty insults.....How predictable!!! ::) ::) ::) He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument. Chinese Proverb

Why is it such a horribly big ask to expect immigrants to fit in rather than commit to remain outsiders?

In the long line of idiotic thirdy-worly costumes, the face covering niqab is just the most offensive and deliberately oppositional and anti-assimilationist. What's to like or respect about it? It's a public demonstration and repudiation by the niqabi bint of everything around her. If it's her men who force her to wear it, then they are evil bastards.

Soren wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 10:18pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:50pm: Soren wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:35pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm: Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style??? >:( >:( >:( When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925 Don''t be such a predictably stupid wanker. There's a limit. Think for a second - a big ask in your case - before you pronounce. Do you really, really endorse every costume to be freely worn in public?? I respect everyone's right to express their religious or cultural freedom so long as it is not against the law.....I note you have no valid argument so you resort to petty insults.....How predictable!!! ::) ::) ::) He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument. Chinese Proverb Why is it such a horribly big ask to expect immigrants to fit in rather than commit to remain outsiders? In the long line of idiotic thirdy-worly costumes, the face covering niqab is just the most offensive and deliberately oppositional and anti-assimilationist. What's to like or respect about it? It's a public demonstration and repudiation by the niqabi bint of everything around her. If it's her men who force her to wear it, then they are evil bastards.

Woman should not be forced to do anything against their will including being told what to wear.....Isn't that what you are proposing.....Do you want a free society or do you want the Government to start censoring and banning anything that some parts of the community find offensive or confronting.....Perhaps you should think about the consequences of such a proposal???

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Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Woman should not be forced to do anything against their will including being told what to wear.....Isn't that what you are proposing.....Do you want a free society or do you want the Government to start censoring and banning anything that some parts of the community find offensive or confronting.....Perhaps you should think about the consequences of such a proposal??? ::) ::) ::)

It is a deliberately confronting act to wear the niqab in Australia. It's nasty and completely out of place here. I don't see why people cant tell the wearers what they think about them.
If you hide your face, don't expect people to respect you for it. If they call you a stupid bint, well, that's not against the law and who is to dictate to people what they can and can't say.


Try this thought experiment: put on a T shirt like this and silently walk own one of the Australian streets where niqabi are commonly seen.
What do you think would happen?
http://mmatshop.com/products/6785.jpg


Presumably you also support anyone's right to weak this:
http://kidsdontgetit.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/kkk-robe-l.jpg

or this:
http://www.totls.com/ASS%20TK-OFFZ%20TUNIC.jpg