http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/18777843/rudd-worked-his-guts-out-for-economy-rein/

pay attention Abbott

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Therese understands economics better than Rudd

Therese is talking facts, Abbott isn't interested in talking about any of those.

My cat understands economics better than Abbott!!

from a millionairess who is still talking about the GFC and how he alone saved us....in.2008..

without a word for the surplus or CHina....??????




she also forgot to mention... how the exports of ore increased 3 fold during his tenure...

and before I forget it.. THE DEBT.. HE HAS GOT US INTO...

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

from a millionairess who is still talking about the GFC and how he alone saved us....in.2008.. without a word for the surplus or CHina....?????? she was talking about Australia's economy, not Chinas ... why are you so interested in Chinas? Planning on moving?  [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] she also forgot to mention... how the exports of ore increased 3 fold during his tenure... whilst the exports of everything else has died off and before I forget it.. THE DEBT.. HE HAS GOT US INTO...

Are you claiming that if the libs had won in 2007, we'd have no debt?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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do you ever think before you write?

Kat wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

My cat understands economics better than Abbott!!

I'm sure your cat explained it all to you as well  ;D

Liberals were not in power 2007-2013.

The ALP was.

They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000.
They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000.
They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets.

They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000).

Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant.

Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record.
The above is theirs.

It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss.

Kat wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

My cat understands economics better than Abbott!!

Last time Spot tried to count up to 2 he ended up at the letter F.

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

do you ever think before you write?

lets put it this way.. JOAN...

I have never claimed on here  that

" NO I DONT THINK"...

LIKE YOU HAVE..


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


did you find where I claimed Tony was never charged with an assault in his youth??????????

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss.

dont worry about explaining anything to JOAN.. andrei.. she failed comprehension and has admitted on here she doesnt do THINKING......so be kind.. ;)

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:25pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 1:37pm: My cat understands economics better than Abbott!! I'm sure your cat explained it all to you as well  ;D

No, but he offered to give you a quick tutorial.

I told him he'd be wasting his time.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss.

Hard to see how anyone of sound mind could vote for them ... easy to see how anyone of unsound mind could though  ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss.

If they actually were voted on their record, Labor would be the ones winning in a landslide.

But we're not voting on the ability to govern, or the facts.

We're voting for greed, ignorance and self-interest.

History will not judge Rudd/Gillard/Rudd as our 'worst Govt ever'.

But it probably will judge this (correctly) as the stupidest electorate ever.

Kat wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 4:26pm: Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss. If they actually were voted on their record, Labor would be the ones winning in a landslide. But we're not voting on the ability to govern, or the facts. We're voting for greed, ignorance and self-interest. History will not judge Rudd/Gillard/Rudd as our 'worst Govt ever'. But it probably will judge this (correctly) as the stupidest electorate ever.

Complete crap like this post above just amazes me, I wish I was a psychologist so I could understand it better but I doubt even they could, how is it possible for someone to really believe something as absurd as that?, what forces are at work here that can so completely corrupt ones thought process's to such an extent? 

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:04pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 4:26pm: Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss. If they actually were voted on their record, Labor would be the ones winning in a landslide. But we're not voting on the ability to govern, or the facts. We're voting for greed, ignorance and self-interest. History will not judge Rudd/Gillard/Rudd as our 'worst Govt ever'. But it probably will judge this (correctly) as the stupidest electorate ever. Complete crap like this post above just amazes me, I wish I was a psychologist so I could understand it better but I doubt even they could, how is it possible for someone to really believe something as absurd as that?, what forces are at work here that can so completely corrupt ones thought process's to such an extent?

just pray that you never ever come across him in real life.....so depressing and bitter... I think he is the worst I have seen on here and that includes yahoo.. we had a few miseries on there but nothing like kat...

I think he needs more than a psychologist !! maybe a brain surgeon... well its a thought.

I feel sorry for him.. never a smile or any cheer...just pure hatred and negativity...uuuuuuurgh

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 4:26pm: Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss. Hard to see how anyone of sound mind could vote for them ... easy to see how anyone of unsound mind could though  ;D

When you consider just what they took over and what they are leaving, the reason they face electoral wipe out is evident.

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

and before I forget it.. THE DEBT.. HE HAS GOT US INTO...

The private sector, whether it is business or households, is in far greater debt than the government.

Source:

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/5/economy/whos-responsible-australias-debt-crisis

http://2.static.australianindependentbusinessmedia.com.au/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/Keen2.png?itok=rDMEHaXN

The Labor government has to accumulate loads and loads of debt before it starts becoming a problem.

Look at that red curve at the bottom of the graph. Amazing!!! It has never gone above 20% of GDP, even under Labor.

More graphs and commentary:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/we-really-must-talk-about-this-debt-nonsense/

http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/AusDebt.jpg

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 4:22pm: do you ever think before you write? lets put it this way.. JOAN... I have never claimed on here  that " NO I DONT THINK"... LIKE YOU HAVE.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D did you find where I claimed Tony was never charged with an assault in his youth??????????

ooohhh quick change the topic, not ....

I see you didn't answer the question .. you mention Rudd getting the country into debt, therefore its perfectly reasonable that I ask you if you think we would have debt if the libs had won in 2007.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss.

keep burying your head in the sand Andrei .....

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:18pm: Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:04pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 4:26pm: Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss. If they actually were voted on their record, Labor would be the ones winning in a landslide. But we're not voting on the ability to govern, or the facts. We're voting for greed, ignorance and self-interest. History will not judge Rudd/Gillard/Rudd as our 'worst Govt ever'. But it probably will judge this (correctly) as the stupidest electorate ever. Complete crap like this post above just amazes me, I wish I was a psychologist so I could understand it better but I doubt even they could, how is it possible for someone to really believe something as absurd as that?, what forces are at work here that can so completely corrupt ones thought process's to such an extent?  just pray that you never ever come across him in real life.....so depressing and bitter... I think he is the worst I have seen on here and that includes yahoo.. we had a few miseries on there but nothing like kat... I think he needs more than a psychologist !! maybe a brain surgeon... well its a thought. I feel sorry for him.. never a smile or any cheer...just pure hatred and negativity...uuuuuuurgh

Only towards you pig-ignorant grubs who blindly support Abbott despite the facts.

I'm just fine with everyone else.

It's you who are the problem, not me.

As for you, Ignorant Loiterer, just go smack yourself.

It'll probably be the only one you ever get.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:24pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:02pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 4:26pm: Liberals were not in power 2007-2013. The ALP was. They have as a result increased debt by 335% and by $330,000,000,000. They have missed their own forecasts in this parliament by $107,000,000,000. They have delivered 6 deficits in 6 budgets. They promised a surplus of $1,500,000,000 in 2013. They delivered a deficit of ($31,000,000,000). Saying "what have the Liberals done?" is irrelevant. Governments get re-elected on the back of their own record. The above is theirs. It also goes some way to explaining why they face a devastating loss. Hard to see how anyone of sound mind could vote for them ... easy to see how anyone of unsound mind could though  ;D When you consider just what they took over and what they are leaving, the reason they face electoral wipe out is evident.

yes, to eskimo's living in igloos in the artic with no connection to the outside world

You seen the way Australians are going to vote this weekend?!

Must be a lot of Eskimos in Australia these days, because the Government is facing a potential wipe out.

Whether you like to admit it or not you don't deliver 6 deficits in a row and miss forecasts by hundreds of billions of dollars and face no consequences.

Governments run on records. People have made their minds up.

What is burying head in the sand are some people who think people are voting how they are because a newspaper told them to!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

You seen the way Australians are going to vote this weekend?! Must be a lot of Eskimos in Australia these days, because the Government is facing a potential wipe out. Whether you like to admit it or not you don't deliver 6 deficits in a row and miss forecasts by hundreds of billions of dollars and face no consequences. Governments run on records. People have made their minds up. What is burying head in the sand are some people who think people are voting how they are because a newspaper told them to!

No, I reckon it's greed (wealthfare) and blatant, unadulterated self-interest.

And total, wanton, wilful ignorance of the facts.

Worst government ever? By no means.

Dumbest electorate ever? Most certainly.

So Kat what about the unemployed or low incomes who may vote for a party that gives them higher benefits.

Greedy? Self Interested?

Or do they get a free pass from that accusation because you like them?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

You seen the way Australians are going to vote this weekend?! Must be a lot of Eskimos in Australia these days, because the Government is facing a potential wipe out. Whether you like to admit it or not you don't deliver 6 deficits in a row and miss forecasts by hundreds of billions of dollars and face no consequences. Governments run on records. People have made their minds up. What is burying head in the sand are some people who think people are voting how they are because a newspaper told them to!

No I haven't seen what is going to happen this weekend ... but I have seen what people think is going to happen.

there are other factors at play Andrei  ... if the election result was based solely on the Australian economy, Abbott wouldn't win a single seat

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

So Kat what about the unemployed or low incomes who may vote for a party that gives them higher benefits. Greedy? Self Interested? Or do they get a free pass from that accusation because you like them?

Doesn't matter who they vote for.

They'll only be kicked in the face either way.

Most probably don't bother. I wouldn't.

But lower incomes who want higher benefits and vote that way are self interested yes?

I vote for a party that gives me the most, so do low incomes.

We're all self interested. Why do you think the major parties play to us??

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

But lower incomes who want higher benefits and vote that way are self interested yes? I vote for a party that gives me the most, so do low incomes. We're all self interested. Why do you think the major parties play to us??

nope, please don't assume we are all like you .

I vote for whoever I think will benefit the majority over the individual.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

We're all self interested.

Now we agree on something here!!!! :D

Therese understands economics better than Abbott

True but it does not even mean that she is average on ecanomics..