“Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship.”
― Bruce Coville






The claim is made [by the moslem community] that ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion.

And that moslems [alone] are those who are the 'rightly guided' ones [in this world].

But ISLAM - IS NOT OPEN TO [any free and open] CRITICISM OR SCRUTINY BY NON-MOSLEMS.....

Moslems blindly express the tyranny of ISLAM - WHENEVER ANY NON-MOSLEM WANTS TO  CRITICISE OR SCRUTINISE ISLAM.....





http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/freedom-of-expression-go-to-hell.jpg
"Freedom of expression - GO TO HELL!"



The image above exemplifies the mindset of the moslem;

The moslem must be always permitted to 'defend' ISLAM [which can 'lawfully' include attacking non-moslem civilians with bombs]      [ because, "....those who reject Allah have no protector."] .

But, non-moslems must never be permitted to freely scrutinise or to criticise ISLAM or to criticise the behaviour of the 'rightly guided' moslems.








Allah's 'cause', is;

"To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "....

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger, and make not vain your deeds!
Those who reject Allah, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah, then die rejecting Allah,- Allah will not forgive them.
Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds."
Koran 47:33-35



HADITH....

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

n.b.
......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."



"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

So, I take then that Israel is a tyranny, according to your logic?  Where is your criticism of it?  Can't see it.

Of course, with the revelations of Mr. Snowden about the US Government withholding information about it's spying activities, and of course it's case against Wikileaks for exposing US diplomatic secrets, I assume that means that the USA is a tyranny, using your logic?

Where is your criticism?  Seems rather invisible to me!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

I take it back.

Three paragraphs!  :D

You must contradict yourself a lot yadda.

You say non muslims cant critize islam, but don't people like you and other members do it frequently on the board?

wally1 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

You must contradict yourself a lot yadda.

wally1,

How did i contradict myself ?





Quote:

You say non muslims cant critize islam, but don't people like you and other members do it frequently on the board?

wally1,

And, people like myself don't threaten to cut the heads off moslems in this forum, either.

But what is your point ?





Google;
threats, intimidation, critics of islam


Google;
violence, threats, intimidation, europe, islam


ISLAMIC law makes anyone who 'insults' ISLAM, by choosing to NOT 'accept' ISLAM, a candidate for 'lawful' extermination - AT THE WHIM OF ANY MOSLEM.

The fact that moslems deny that truth, does not make that fact untrue.

The fact that moslems deny that truth, is merely a reflection upon the low mendacious nature of the typical moslem.




+++

ISLAMIC law makes the killing of non-moslems [by a moslem], 'lawful'.

So long as the victim is a 'disbeliever', ISLAMIC law makes murder, 'lawful'.




ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260






KORAN....

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Yadda wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:04pm:

wally1 wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 7:18pm: You must contradict yourself a lot yadda. wally1, How did i contradict myself ? Quote: You say non muslims cant critize islam, but don't people like you and other members do it frequently on the board? wally1, And, people like myself don't threaten to cut the heads off moslems in this forum, either. But what is your point ? Google; threats, intimidation, critics of islam Google; violence, threats, intimidation, europe, islam ISLAMIC law makes anyone who 'insults' ISLAM, by choosing to NOT 'accept' ISLAM, a candidate for 'lawful' extermination - AT THE WHIM OF ANY MOSLEM. The fact that moslems deny that truth, does not make that fact untrue. The fact that moslems deny that truth, is merely a reflection upon the low mendacious nature of the typical moslem. +++ ISLAMIC law makes the killing of non-moslems [by a moslem], 'lawful'. So long as the victim is a 'disbeliever', ISLAMIC law makes murder, 'lawful'. ISLAMIC law.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED "...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 KORAN.... "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11

So why are you then alive if they can behead you?

Then you say that discarding islam means death.Did you leave islam?No you didn't.

Then you say you cant critize islam, but you do.You have a free reign on this forum and none of your posts or photos get moderated.

How do muslims withhold information? The Koran is translated into English and every person can view it and see what it contains.

wally1 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

You must contradict yourself a lot yadda. You say non muslims cant critize islam, but don't people like you and other members do it frequently on the board?

Very astute observation.

Now, think carefully, how many here would feel comfortable about voicing those same opinions in, say, Lakemba - or outside a certain bookshop in Bankstown (or is it Auburn)?

Then think about why those same opinions might have to be modified.

Would it be because of criticism?

Or could it have to do with more immediate threats to one's health and safety?

There really are some quite distinct differences between ignorance and idiocy.

I am sick & tired of Yadda's  mile long posts.

I've never read one of them.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:14pm:

I am sick & tired of Yadda's  mile long posts. I've never read one of them.

1/ You have never told a lie either, bobby.

2/ You get someone like H&R Block to complete your tax return for you, coz you do not have the attention span, to complete your own tax return.



Which statement is true, bobby ?

|dev|null wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

So, I take then that Israel is a tyranny, according to your logic?  Where is your criticism of it?  Can't see it. Of course, with the revelations of Mr. Snowden about the US Government withholding information about it's spying activities, and of course it's case against Wikileaks for exposing US diplomatic secrets, I assume that means that the USA is a tyranny, using your logic? Where is your criticism?  Seems rather invisible to me!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hot (.)(.) ,

Essentially, yes.

I have never claimed that any [claimed to be] Western Democracy [in this age] is open or accountable or virtuous.

IMO, Western Democracies are simply as vile and corrupt and as violent as ISLAM/moslem majority jurisdictions, only less so.

Western Democracies are [moral] 'whores'.

Moslem majority jurisdictions are 'rapists and murderers'.

IMO.


And i am no better, than the worst of men.

But i seek to be.






Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

wally1 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:04pm: wally1 wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 7:18pm: You must contradict yourself a lot yadda. wally1, How did i contradict myself ? Quote: You say non muslims cant critize islam, but don't people like you and other members do it frequently on the board? wally1, And, people like myself don't threaten to cut the heads off moslems in this forum, either. But what is your point ? Google; threats, intimidation, critics of islam Google; violence, threats, intimidation, europe, islam ISLAMIC law makes anyone who 'insults' ISLAM, by choosing to NOT 'accept' ISLAM, a candidate for 'lawful' extermination - AT THE WHIM OF ANY MOSLEM. The fact that moslems deny that truth, does not make that fact untrue. The fact that moslems deny that truth, is merely a reflection upon the low mendacious nature of the typical moslem. +++ ISLAMIC law makes the killing of non-moslems [by a moslem], 'lawful'. So long as the victim is a 'disbeliever', ISLAMIC law makes murder, 'lawful'. ISLAMIC law.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED "...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 KORAN.... "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 So why are you then alive if they can behead you?

Because the moslems that care to, do not know [at this time] how to bring their knife to my throat ?






Quote:

Then you say that discarding islam means death.Did you leave islam?No you didn't.

No.

I didn't.

But i speak up, in forums like this one.

So i have 'left' ISLAM.






Quote:

Then you say you cant critize islam, but you do.You have a free reign on this forum and none of your posts or photos get moderated.

You are mistaken.

I have [in the past] been deleted and banned by a moslem moderator [abu rashid] on the ISLAM board.

But that was because i 'insulted' ISLAM.          :P          :P          :P

And, imo, the ISLAM board, is a much better place, WITHOUT abu rashid, the moslem.iQuote:

How do muslims withhold information?

Moslems 'withhold information' [from uninformed and naive non-moslems] by being low mendacious, human beings, who have little respect for truth.

That is how moslems choose to 'withhold information'.






Quote:

The Koran is translated into English and every person can view it and see what it contains.

Many [uninformed and naive non-moslem] secularists can't be bothered to study what moslems believe, nor to read moslem 'holy' foundation scriptures.
[e.g. how many times has 'bobby the da bat' read the Koran, do you think?!]

Many [uninformed and naive non-moslem] secularists are only interested in living 'for today' [i.e. for themselves].

And they have 'no care' for what others may, or may not believe, about the nature of this reality [in which we all find ourselves].
[e.g. 'bobby the da bat' even refuses to read this post, coz, he/she does not have the attention span to cope with any post written by myself, that extends longer than one line.]

Is it the fault of moslems, that [uninformed and naive non-moslem] secularists wish to wallow in their own [selfish ?] indifference to the intentions of moslems ?

Certainly not.

The moslems only regard all of the uninformed and naive non-moslem secularists with the same regard as 'cattle' anyway.

So when moslems [from time to time] murder a few, uninformed and naive non-moslem secularists, the uninformed and naive non-moslem secularists will express a little short term concern, but will then return to getting on with their own [selfish] indifferent lives.

It is only countering the informed non-moslem secularists, that the moslems need to concern themselves with.






"The old world will burn in the fires of industry.
Forests will fall.
A new order will rise.
We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc.
We have only to remove those who oppose us."
Saruman - LOTR

Is this thread about Abbott's porn filter?

True Colours wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:59am:

Is this thread about Abbott's porn filter?

No.








This thread is about how moslems would like to be able to, lawfully, be the only ones to be able to control all information which describes the nature of ISLAM.

For what purpose ?




Everywhere there is a moslem community [living as guests, within a non-moslem community], moslems would like to enforce a lawful societal protocol, whereby all information which describes the nature of ISLAM, should only be generated by, and come from, the moslem community exclusively.

Because then, moslems would [lawfully!] have absolute control of how ISLAM is defined, and described, to the people of a non-moslem community.
[e.g. "ISLAM is a peaceful faith. And all 'mainstream' moslems have a tolerant and pluralistic nature. Honest!"]

Because moslems WANT TO SUPPRESS free and open debate about ISLAM [and the true intent of the moslem community].

And to create a societal mandate, so that no non-moslem [or group of non-moslems], should be able to examine and define [for themselves, by examining moslem behaviour and ISLAMIC foundation texts] what the true nature of ISLAM is.

Because if moslems can control [and lawfully prohibit] anyone who is not a moslem, from having a right to examine the nature and intents of ISLAM, then moslems themselves can have total [lawful] control of how ISLAM will be portrayed in the world.

If moslems can lawfully prohibit non-moslems from examining AND criticising ISLAM, and thereby prevent non-moslems from revealing the real nature of ISLAM, to other [still] uninformed and naive non-moslems, then moslems can control the 'battlefield' of public opinion, and thereby control how the war must be fought by their enemies, and thereby moslem can easily defeat their enemies [i.e. non-moslems] with very little danger to the moslem community.





e.g.
gandalf is a moslem.

Q.
How can i tell, that gandalf is a moslem ?

A.
Because gandalf is pursuing the moslem agenda, of seeking to control of how ISLAM must always be defined and portrayed [to the uninformed and naive non-moslem community] in this world.



polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

Yadda wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 12:50am: You know very well, that the heart of ISLAM, are the contents of ISLAM's foundation texts [the Koran and the Hadith]. Texts which declare and command a never ending warfare against those who reject ISLAM. Yadda, I humbly disagree - as do the vast majority of muslims.

IMAGE....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/London_Bus_2.jpg
"PROUD TO BE A.....MOSLEM"
A moslem advertising campaign [2007] in the UK, seeking to [falsely] portray British moslems as normal, integrated [sincere]citizens, who reject political extremism.


All moslems are and must be, liars [towards those outside of their own camp].

e.g.
Moslems cannot even bring themselves to admit [to those outside of their own camp], their deep personal commitment, to what is a militant and deeply intolerant and extremely violent and 'private' and insular philosophy, i.e. ISLAM.



"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85



+++


WHO ARE MOSLEMS ?

WHAT IS ISLAM ?



SOME REALITY;

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231






Dictionary;
ummah = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.

Dictionary;
Islam = = the religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Dictionary;
Koran = = the Islamic sacred book, believed to be the word of God as dictated to Muhammad and written down in Arabic.





CONTROLLING THE INFORMATION FLOW, CONTROLLING THE PUBLIC FORUM.....

The moslem community within the UK have already 'engineered' the prohibition and the barring from entry to the UK, of persons who prominently and publicly, are sounding a warning to the world about the intentions and methods of ISLAM/moslems.

If moslems [as moslems like gandalf assure us] genuinely embrace pluralism, then why is the moslem community within the UK, seeking to control and prohibit free and open public debate about ISLAM in the UK ?




n.b.
IN THE UK - TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, AND ITS INTENTIONS IN THE WORLD, IS NOW DEEMED TO BE 'HATE SPEECH' AGAINST MOSLEMS.

FREE AND OPEN DEBATE IN THE UK, ABOUT ISLAM IS BEING SHUT DOWN.

IMAGE....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/images/UK2.jpg







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sorry bobby            :P

Quote:

"Withholding information is the essence of tyranny."

True Colours wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:59am:

Is this thread about Abbott's porn filter?

This [see the image below] is what the UK government has done.

That act [of prohibition of the dissemination information] is worthy of a tyrant like Mugabe.





n.b.
IN THE UK - TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, AND ITS INTENTIONS IN THE WORLD, IS NOW DEEMED TO BE 'HATE SPEECH' AGAINST MOSLEMS.

FREE AND OPEN DEBATE IN THE UK, ABOUT ISLAM IS BEING SHUT DOWN.

IMAGE....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/images/UK2.jpg

Yadda

So who threatened to behead you on this forum?

Australian muslims routinely get criticized.

Just last week tony abbot thought the burqa was a sign of oppression and wanted some Australian muslims organisations banned.Many liberal candidates and politicians have made anti muslim remarks.

4 weeks prior Abbot was in bankstown for a ramdan iftar where hundreds of ladies were wearing scarves, and he mentions"

“I am the sworn enemy for anyone who seeks to divide Australian over Australian on issues of class, gender, birth place, race and particularly over faith. I believe that all religious faiths seek to come to grips with the complexity of human condition. We have to respect the specialness of that faith to every person.”

Another abbott assessment,

During the right-wing Dutch MP Geert Wilders visit, Abbott explained that although Wilders views on Islam were “substantially wrong,” he was nonetheless “entitled to his viewpoint.” [8] Abbott, however, did not deem Taji Mustafa, a Muslim speaker from the UK (who visited Australian roughly during the same period) [9] to be worthy of such a right. Abbott referred to him as a “preacher of hate.”

Yadda wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

Quote: "Withholding information is the essence of tyranny." True Colours wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:59am: Is this thread about Abbott's porn filter? This [see the image below] is what the UK government has done.

John 11:35   ::)

Failed to answer the question, Yadda.  Care to try again?

You really do need to consider Matthew 7:3   ::)

wally1 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:

Yadda So who threatened to behead you on this forum? Australian muslims routinely get criticized. Just last week tony abbot thought the burqa was a sign of oppression and wanted some Australian muslims organisations banned.Many liberal candidates and politicians have made anti muslim remarks. 4 weeks prior Abbot was in bankstown for a ramdan iftar where hundreds of ladies were wearing scarves, and he mentions" “I am the sworn enemy for anyone who seeks to divide Australian over Australian on issues of class, gender, birth place, race and particularly over faith. I believe that all religious faiths seek to come to grips with the complexity of human condition. We have to respect the specialness of that faith to every person.” Another abbott assessment, During the right-wing Dutch MP Geert Wilders visit, Abbott explained that although Wilders views on Islam were “substantially wrong,” he was nonetheless “entitled to his viewpoint.” [8] Abbott, however, did not deem Taji Mustafa, a Muslim speaker from the UK (who visited Australian roughly during the same period) [9] to be worthy of such a right. Abbott referred to him as a “preacher of hate.”

wally1,

You are either incredibly naive and uninformed, or, you are intentionally not revealing what you already know about a person like Taji Mustafa.





Taji Mustafa, is a prominent member of Hizb ut-Tahrir UK

Taji Mustafa, is Chief Media Representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir UK

Taji Mustafa, is a prominent member of an ISLAMIC organisation [Hizb ut-Tahrir] which would [if it could] outlaw the current Australian constitution and parliament - and replace Australian society and Australian laws with the rule of an ISLAMIC caliph.

And Taji Mustafa, is a prominent member of an ISLAMIC organisation [Hizb ut-Tahrir] which would [if it could] outlaw public forums like OzPol, which you are clearly using to spread your undisclosed agenda, and agenda which is hostile to the interests of a public forum like OzPol.


Google;
Taji Mustafa, member of hizb ut tahrir






+++


Quote:

"Islamist leader Burhan Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy'," by Sally Neighbour for The Australian, July 5 (thanks to all who sent this in):...."

Quote:

The assurance which is offered to us by the moslem community, is that a good relationship is certain to develop between non-moslems and the moslem community, when we non-moslems will finally conform to ISLAM's way of life/societal values. World peace at last. That, is the universal promise, that is continually offered to every non-moslem community, by its embedded ['guest'] moslem community. All that we non-moslems need do [...to secure this certain and lasting peace with the moslem community], is to surrender ourselves, to the 'loving' embrace of the moslem community - and surrender ourselves, to the embrace of the values espoused XXXXX insisted upon, by ISLAM and its Sharia law. e.g. [quote] "[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam... ...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html

[/quote]



wally1,

But people like yourself claim that moslems [in Australia] are trying to build bridges between the moslem community and the wider Australian community.

A LIE.

Moslems [in Australia] are singularly, only seeking to gain political influence in this country, but all of the while [that they seek that political influence], those very same moslems [i.e. ISLAMISTS] are not declaring their real and malicious intent, towards Australian society or their intent to destroy the current Australian political system.


Dictionary;
ummah = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.

Dictionary;
Islam = = the religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.






+++

All moslems, are all liars and deceivers.

And imo, all moslems in Australia should be brought to account for their blatant deceit and for their malevolent intent towards the whole Australian society.

And imo, all moslems in Australia should be prosecuted for their secret [denied] treason and for their secret [denied] sedition.

And, we should bring back public hanging for persons convicted of those serious, serious, crimes, imo.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:03am: Quote: "Withholding information is the essence of tyranny." True Colours wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:59am: Is this thread about Abbott's porn filter? This [see the image below] is what the UK government has done. John 11:35   ::) Failed to answer the question, Yadda.  Care to try again? You really do need to consider Matthew 7:3   ::)

Matthew 15:7-9


Matthew 23:13


Jeremiah 5:1

Yadda wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:42pm: Yadda wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:03am: Quote: "Withholding information is the essence of tyranny." True Colours wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:59am: Is this thread about Abbott's porn filter? This [see the image below] is what the UK government has done. John 11:35   ::) Failed to answer the question, Yadda.  Care to try again? You really do need to consider Matthew 7:3   ::) Matthew 15:7-9 Matthew 23:13 Jeremiah 5:1

Proverbs 12:17

I'll let you work out which one I consider you to be, Yadda.  ;)