Anyone one the left care to make an educated guess what this means?

Then match it up with what Labor says about this

Does it match up seamlessly?

I'll tell you what it means when the LNP use it, taking the Campbell Newman model as the exemplar.

It means targetted Public Servants will be sent a letter giving them an option of pissing off (with a redundancy package) or not pissing off, risking the wrath of Khan and have to apply to hold the job they presently have. 

They choose to piss off....and that is called 'natural attrition.'

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

I'll tell you what it means when the LNP use it, taking the Campbell Newman model as the exemplar. It means targetted Public Servants will be sent a letter giving them an option of pissing off (with a redundancy package) or not pissing off, risking the wrath of Khan and have to apply to hold the job they presently have.  They choose to piss off....and that is called 'natural attrition.'

"Campbell Newman exemplar"
Then should we use the NSW ALP corruption exemplar to condemn Rudd?


"They choose to piss off"
It's a choice to piss off. So how can Labor truthfully say that LIBs will "slash" jobs

Sure, it's a choice.  What will you have?

(a)  The desert island with a gallon of water, or
(b)  The desert island with zero water.

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It's a choice to piss off. So how can Labor truthfully say that LIBs will "slash" jobs

Because they're speaking from experience. That's exactly what they've been doing for the past 12 months or so with 8,000 gone already - or roughly 6% of the total head count.

12,000 is about 10% if you remove those in the armed forces from the headcount.

12,000 public servants in Canberra and 16,000 from the closing of GMH in SA..and thats just the beginning of Abbotts job losses.

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

Sure, it's a choice.  What will you have? (a)  The desert island with a gallon of water, or (b)  The desert island with zero water.

So it's not slashing as per Rudd's lies

i would never count public service job losses as real job losses as they dont exist in the real economy.
they are a win for the real economy , and as such, should be counted as a bonus.
we (the private sector) dont want to employ any of those public servants though, as they are tarnished goods. it would take years to retrain them in efficient work practices.
personally, they should all be parked in extensive 'work for the dole ' projects, and be made available to the private sector to do menial tasks like washing our cars, cleaning our toilets, maybe fetching the mail.
tony is aiming way too low with these numbers. i'd close canberra down and operate the country from kirribilli

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

Sure, it's a choice.  What will you have? (a)  The desert island with a gallon of water, or (b)  The desert island with zero water.

No BUCKETS of MONEY that those who work in the private sector do not get....they get whats laughingly called packages....

and they even ask if any packages are being offered...yes they do.....


ooooooo if you only knew........ ::)

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

Anyone one the left care to make an educated guess what this means? Then match it up with what Labor says about this Does it match up seamlessly?

Can someone translate please? I don't speak Maqqa.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

i would never count public service job losses as real job losses as they dont exist in the real economy. they are a win for the real economy , and as such, should be counted as a bonus. we (the private sector) dont want to employ any of those public servants though, as they are tarnished goods. it would take years to retrain them in efficient work practices. personally, they should all be parked in extensive 'work for the dole ' projects, and be made available to the private sector to do menial tasks like washing our cars, cleaning our toilets, maybe fetching the mail. tony is aiming way too low with these numbers. i'd close canberra down and operate the country from kirribilli

and there is the reason why you'll never be put in charge of anything bigger than your vege patch.

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 7:51pm: Anyone one the left care to make an educated guess what this means? Then match it up with what Labor says about this Does it match up seamlessly? Can someone translate please? I don't speak Maqqa.

Sorry, neither does he ... he can't tell you what he means either

In a nutshell, "natural attrition" means that nobody loses their job (some may be forced or bullied out of their jobs, but none "lose" their job). Instead, people who might otherwise have been employed don't get a job. They stay on benefits.

Win-win, hey?

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

i would never count public service job losses as real job losses as they dont exist in the real economy. they are a win for the real economy , and as such, should be counted as a bonus. we (the private sector) dont want to employ any of those public servants though, as they are tarnished goods. it would take years to retrain them in efficient work practices. personally, they should all be parked in extensive 'work for the dole ' projects, and be made available to the private sector to do menial tasks like washing our cars, cleaning our toilets, maybe fetching the mail. tony is aiming way too low with these numbers. i'd close canberra down and operate the country from kirribilli

Correct on all counts   :)

Maybe they will be able to join the other 14,000 plus, that went before.  Thanks to Campbell ( the job wreaker ) Newman.      :(    

wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:20am:

Maybe they will be able to join the other 14,000 plus, that went before.  Thanks to Campbell ( the job wreaker ) Newman.      :(

But Crook - wouldn't you agree that a lot of public servants are overpaid bludgers?

Well if you want to look at it that way, the same could be said about any company.  Are there not good and bad everywhere?.  Is it not the same as bosses?.  Are there not overpaid employers?.  CEOs that get paid more than a division one lotto ticket.      :( 

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:23am:

[... - wouldn't you agree that a lot of public servants are overpaid bludgers?

Having worked in both private and public spheres, I reckon there's no substantial difference. The pay's generally a bit better in public service, but not substantially.

Sorry to rain on your onanistic parade.

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:49pm: i would never count public service job losses as real job losses as they dont exist in the real economy. they are a win for the real economy , and as such, should be counted as a bonus. we (the private sector) dont want to employ any of those public servants though, as they are tarnished goods. it would take years to retrain them in efficient work practices. personally, they should all be parked in extensive 'work for the dole ' projects, and be made available to the private sector to do menial tasks like washing our cars, cleaning our toilets, maybe fetching the mail. tony is aiming way too low with these numbers. i'd close canberra down and operate the country from kirribilli and there is the reason why you'll never be put in charge of anything bigger than your vege patch.

you are indeed correct john.
the extensive intrusive and largely useless bureacracy is unlikely to fall upon its sword, even though this would undoubtedly be in the national interest.

still if tony can put them on a diet, whittle away some of the waste, make their lives uncomfortable , well, its a step in the right direction.

the smart business person  (ie  me)  just looks at the system. plays the hand canberra deals us. and gets on with flying as low under the radar as possible.

i spoke to some of my millionaire chinese neighbours about the election. they have 0 interest in it. theyre too busy chasing $$$$ to worry about such trivialities ;) ;)

Rider wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:49pm: i would never count public service job losses as real job losses as they dont exist in the real economy. they are a win for the real economy , and as such, should be counted as a bonus. we (the private sector) dont want to employ any of those public servants though, as they are tarnished goods. it would take years to retrain them in efficient work practices. personally, they should all be parked in extensive 'work for the dole ' projects, and be made available to the private sector to do menial tasks like washing our cars, cleaning our toilets, maybe fetching the mail. tony is aiming way too low with these numbers. i'd close canberra down and operate the country from kirribilli Correct on all counts   :)

I second that..

wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:34am:

Well if you want to look at it that way, the same could be said about any company.  Are there not good and bad everywhere?.  Is it not the same as bosses?.  Are there not overpaid employers?.  CEOs that get paid more than a division one lotto ticket.      :(

Companies operates to generate profits - so the analogy is incorrect

I don't mind if Rudd have a go at the LIBs with facts

But there are so many instances where he's outright lied

Natural attrition is not slashing yet Rudd continues with this line

There are no $70B blackhole and he continues with this line

While I admire Rudd's electioneering in 2007 - in 2013 he is a dog

# wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:23am: [... - wouldn't you agree that a lot of public servants are overpaid bludgers? Having worked in both private and public spheres, I reckon there's no substantial difference. The pay's generally a bit better in public service, but not substantially. Sorry to rain on your onanistic parade.

I've worked in both and I'd say private enterprise pays way better than the PS. I did the whole grade system - levels 1 to 12 and left as a SES grade 1 to go to private enterprise purely for the bucks. The first job I went to paid about 70% more for about half the responsibility and a decreased workload. Granted, there's a lot better balance now, but the public service still has a big problem with people leaving to go chasing the bigger $$$ outside the PS - i.e. "natural attrition".