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The Melbourne Age editorial recommends to vote Labor.
It is widely considered as the most balanced newspaper in Australia.




Quote:

Labor's policies best reflect our values. The Age has long held that policy, not personality, is the core of our democracy. It is on this basis that we advocate a vote for Labor in the federal election on Saturday. We do so fully acknowledging that the Coalition under Tony Abbott has run a disciplined and competent campaign, and that after six years of Labor government the electorate is wary and weary of Labor's infighting. Yet we cannot endorse a party that advocates policies with which we fundamentally disagree. As our readers know, we support Labor's national broadband network strategy, its commitment to increasing the superannuation guarantee levy, its Gonski schools funding plan, and its shift from a carbon price to an emissions trading scheme. We also support the deal it forged between business and environmentalists that led to areas of Tasmania's western wilderness being added to the World Heritage Area. In our view, these programs are initiatives towards generational change. They are visionary, forward-thinking and nation-building, not gimmicks devised to meet a three-year election cycle. Yet the Coalition would curb the scope of the NBN and defer the higher superannuation guarantee levy, despite the patent need to save as the population ages. The Coalition has failed to commit to the fifth and sixth years of funding on Gonski, the years of maximum investment, and it would claw back Tasmania's World Heritage wilderness listing. We deplore both major parties' policies on asylum seekers but support Labor's plan to increase Australia's humanitarian intake. The Coalition would cut it. Underscoring the Coalition's heartless approach is its proposal to slice $4.5 billion from Australia's foreign aid budget. Importantly, the Coalition has back-tracked disgracefully on climate change. Its commitment to reducing Australia's carbon emissions is now precariously linked to budget affordability. Climate change has moved beyond being a moral question. It is a fundamental economic imperative. Advertisement  Looking ahead, neither Labor nor the Coalition has seized us with a comprehensive vision for Australia's economic direction. Both have offered sound but limited strategies, targeted to different ends. The map for the longer term, though, is missing. While the Coalition would build new roads, it shies from expanding public transport networks. We are disheartened, too, by the Coalition's vaguely defined savings plans, such as cutting 12,000 jobs from the public sector. At the same time, we are bewildered by its profligate proposals, including handing $16 million to Cadbury to update a chocolate factory. The ultimate largesse, though, is its paid parental leave scheme. It beggars belief that the Coalition, which contends the budget is in a national emergency, would happily dole out parental payments of up to $75,000 without any reference to equity and absent of any means testing. Labor has its own clutch of opportunistic, ill-conceived policies: on northern Australia and the Garden Island naval base, for instance. On economic management it rests on its laurels, pointing to its performance through the financial crisis. It is now 2013, and recent growth has been muted by weakness in the mining sector and a widespread lack of confidence among consumers and businesses. Managing the budget back to surplus is a long-term project requiring a steady hand on revenue and savings, but it is not the be-all and end-all of economic management. Just before the 2010 election, The Age called for a vision for this nation's future, saying neither Labor nor the Coalition had inspired voters and the campaign had been hallmarked by ''diminished expectations, small targets and vapid slogans''. Sadly, it has been the same again in 2013. Fatuous and hollow sloganeering by the Coalition has been met with jib-jab policy on the run by Labor. On the issue of trust, the Coalition's own actions leave us with significant reservations. It has obfuscated and ducked critical issues, deliberately keeping voters uninformed about its savings plans or revenue-raising initiatives. Worse has been its breathtaking arrogance in cynically delaying until the last minute its policy costings - this, from the party that drafted the charter of budget honesty. When it comes to trusting Labor, we appreciate the public's confidence may be so undone that a change of government could prove to be a circuit-breaker, injecting a short-term sense of stability. But The Age values policies above political opportunism; we do not advocate a vote simply for the sake of change. The Age believes in economic and social progress, in liberty and justice, in equity and compassion, and openness of government. We believe the role of government is to build a strong, fair nation for future generations, and not to pander to sectional interests. It is with these values in mind that we endorse the Labor Party in this important election. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/labors-policies-best-reflect-our-values-20130905-2t828.html#ixzz2e3WqaAjY

ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY!

I wouldn't let a Labor voter through my gate

That's how foul that party, its members and its supporters are

rank, all of them

Electronics engineer says to vote labor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4cxVw8wfU&feature=player_embedded


http://www.eevblog.com/2013/09/05/2013-australian-federal-election-rant/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ElectronicsEngineeringVideoBlog+%28EEVblog%29

Labor under Kevin Rudd in 2013 is not offering a stable, trustworthy government on which Australians can depend. The Coalition under Tony Abbott deserves the opportunity to return trust to politics.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/australians-deserve-a-government-they-can-trust-20130905-2t7wm.html


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you really should be encouraging them to face reality bobby... the must be doing something wrong for people to turn on them like they are doing...

so why not encourage them to change get a different leader and a different set of rules.. get rid of the corrupt and opportunists who think nothing of changing the leader just because it suits them...

get with REALITY bobby stop living in fantasy land..

what you are saying is the people are idiots dont know what they are doing if they dont vote labor...

that doesnt win friends or votes...

own it.. they are doing something WRONG....

voters have turned off them   WHY...its not hard to know why

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

I wouldn't let a Labor voter through my gate That's how foul that party, its members and its supporters are rank, all of them

And those of us with the ability to think independently feel exactly the
same way about the con-alition and its sycophants.

The difference is, we are justified, they are not.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

I wouldn't let a Labor voter through my gate That's how foul that party, its members and its supporters are rank, all of them

Yes we all know you don't like Rudd but as Dave says in his video -
consider the alternative.

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

you really should be encouraging them to face reality bobby... the must be doing something wrong for people to turn on them like they are doing... so why not encourage them to change get a different leader and a different set of rules.. get rid of the corrupt and opportunists who think nothing of changing the leader just because it suits them... get with REALITY bobby stop living in fantasy land.. what you are saying is the people are idiots dont know what they are doing if they dont vote labor... that doesnt win friends or votes... own it.. they are doing something WRONG.... voters have turned off them   WHY...its not hard to know why

Stupidity and gullibility are high on the list.

Just below greed and self-interest.

And wanton ignorance of the facts.

I think the editorial from the AGE is very well written & balanced.

It acknowledges Labor's faults but still sees them as better than the Liberals.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:39am: I wouldn't let a Labor voter through my gate That's how foul that party, its members and its supporters are rank, all of them Yes we all know you don't like Rudd but as Dave says in his video - consider the alternative.

Like Dave's term "sheeple"

____ wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:50am: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:39am: I wouldn't let a Labor voter through my gate That's how foul that party, its members and its supporters are rank, all of them Yes we all know you don't like Rudd but as Dave says in his video - consider the alternative. Like Dave's term "sheeple"

Yes Dave is a pretty smart guy.
Technical people can see how silly fiber to the node is -
it's obvious that the Libbos don't understand technology.

There needs to be a certain cut-off point before people are allowed to vote

Those with 80 IQ points or less should be eliminated from the voter pool


Which would eliminate Labor and Green voters

____ wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:50am: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:39am: I wouldn't let a Labor voter through my gate That's how foul that party, its members and its supporters are rank, all of them Yes we all know you don't like Rudd but as Dave says in his video - consider the alternative. Like Dave's term "sheeple"

And it fits Lib supporters to a 'T' (party?).

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:01am:

There needs to be a certain cut-off point before people are allowed to vote Those with 80 IQ points or less should be eliminated from the voter pool Which would eliminate Labor and Green voters

See ya, well.

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:36am:

ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY!

I cant believe they endorse a party of clowns.. the last thing we need is another 3 years of a circles.

Pantheon wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY! I cant believe they endorse a party of clowns.. the last thing we need is another 3 years of a circles.

Did you actually read the editorial?   :D

Pantheon wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY! I cant believe they endorse a party of clowns.. the last thing we need is another 3 years of a circles.

I think you mean 'circus'?

Well, we will certainly be getting that, with Abbot's Rabbits.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

I think the editorial from the AGE is very well written & balanced. It acknowledges Labor's faults but still sees them as better than the Liberals.

see what I mean..... how can they be better.. two leaders..nay 3 leaders... dissent half the front bench leaving..at least one left in 2010..after the back stabbing.. n o one trusts anyone...when krudd is out there and has one or two other members with him. they look down at the floor all the time..

ask yourself.. something is rotten in the state of denmark...we can feel it..


if you cannot see it or admit it then you will never change it..

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:06am:

Pantheon wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:04am: cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY! I cant believe they endorse a party of clowns.. the last thing we need is another 3 years of a circles. Did you actually read the editorial?   :D

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.... (shakes head).

You know they won't read anything remotely critical of their pin-up boy.

It's one reason why they can't string a coherent argument together, relying instead
on slander, innuendo and outright abuse.

Kat wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:06am:

Pantheon wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:04am: cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY! I cant believe they endorse a party of clowns.. the last thing we need is another 3 years of a circles. I think you mean 'circus'? Well, we will certainly be getting that, with Abbot's Rabbits.

You've BLINDED yourself to how much people want to be RID of the Shortens, the Wongs, the Thompsons, the Gillards, the Rudds


But you'll be forced to accept it very soon

the enemies tanks could be grinding their way up Spencer St and The Age editors would be working on tomorrows headline "Victory to Us"....

Morons one and all. Another 12 months and they'll all be working for Rupert, selling advertising column centimetres in the Oodnadatta Express that is.

Kat wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:06am: Pantheon wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:04am: cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY! I cant believe they endorse a party of clowns.. the last thing we need is another 3 years of a circles. Did you actually read the editorial?   :D Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.... (shakes head). You know they won't read anything remotely critical of their pin-up boy. It's one reason why they can't string a coherent argument together, relying instead on slander, innuendo and outright abuse.

Yes it's quite a surprise.
The Libbo voters on this forum are mostly intellectual lightweights
who can't put a cogent argument together.


They remind me of Nazi thugs with half their brain missing.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Kat wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:06am: Pantheon wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:04am: cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: ANOTHER 3 YEARS............REALLY! I cant believe they endorse a party of clowns.. the last thing we need is another 3 years of a circles. I think you mean 'circus'? Well, we will certainly be getting that, with Abbot's Rabbits. You've BLINDED yourself to how much us fools want to be RID of the Shortens, the Wongs, the Thompsons, the Gillards, the Rudds But you'll be forced to accept it very soon

Fixed.

And I'm not, and won't.

I hope all you Libbos have a good read of the AGE editorial before you vote for Tony?

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Nothing written by any media whore will influence my vote

In the same way that any self-serving lie told by any Zionist pawn will persuade me there's justification in invading Syria


There are lots of us around, Bobby

We make up our own minds

We are impervious to spin

Just as we're impervious to those who post for pay in online fora


No, I will not vote Rudd/Labor.  Nor will I vote Greens because I do not believe them to have an ounce of integrity

I believe Greens are controlled-opposition

and clearly, a vote for Greens is a vote for Labor


As Labor have proved corrupt, a danger and disappointment, people will not give them a vote via their proxy party, the Greens

Greens know it.  Time for a new 'independent' party to replace the Greens.  The Greens have given their game away and people have seen it

Fool me once ---- you know the rest

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:27am:

' ' Nothing written by any media whore will influence my vote In the same way that any self-serving lie told by any Zionist pawn will persuade me there's justification in invading Syria There are lots of us around, Bobby We make up our own minds We are impervious to spin Just as we're impervious to those who post for pay in online fora No, I will not vote Rudd/Labor.  Nor will I vote Greens because I do not believe them to have an ounce of integrity I believe Greens are controlled-opposition and clearly, a vote for Greens is a vote for Labor As Labor have proved corrupt, a danger and disappointment, people will not give them a vote via their proxy party, the Greens Greens know it.  Time for a new 'independent' party to replace the Greens.  The Greens have given their game away and people have seen it Fool me once ---- you know the rest

Fair enough - the Greens & Labor have been hijacked by homosexuals but
I believe they have the best interests of our nation at heart.

Labor seems to have a vision e.g. - the NBN -
see Dave's video on the first page -

Tony has no vision at all.

Well so much for media bias....  oh I forgot.  That is only true when the media is promoting the liberals.

the Age has been stridently pro-labor all campaign but no, that's not bias.  Only Murdoch is biased.

Trouble is that Rudd is already dead in the water.

Bobby, ideals are the most expensive things in life

It's something you learn to your pain on the journey

Ideals are often mistaken for 'dreams'

and dreams are something Greens indulge in

Dreams are generally worthless.  Anyone can have a dozen before breakfast.  Making them a reality is a different thing.  Most cannot achieve even three of their dreams in a lifetime

Labor indulges in dreams.  And Greens are full of it

It's proved expensive

What people need are jobs, homes, a way to pay the bills

Labor likes us to be in debt

and Greens don't have a clue.  They just spin their wheels and expect pats on the back for prattling on like five year olds

We don't need the NBN.  Fact.  We can't afford it.  It's a dinosaur.  And it was probably the result of certain Labor bods being promised brown-paper bags filled with cash for awarding contracts

I want to see jobs and manufacturing returned to this country

Labor never breathes a word.  And Greens never breathe a word unless Labor gives them permission

So, we're confronted by an idiot seeking to be PM who blabs on about 'millions for training' --- as if people are too stupid to work out that without jobs at the end, what's the point of millions spent on training

Neither of the big fake parties have breathed a word about taxing imports, yet everyone knows that if this were done, it would create work for Aussies, not Asians

Incentives are provided by asia to manufacturers - huge incentives.  This was all part of the Lima Declaration

The result has been an Australia with ever increasing unemployment.  Fundamental to Australia's recovery is job creation.  Both major parties crap on about job creation, but they're lying through their teeth.  WHAT job creation -- more kids with worthless degrees selling their virginity online or standing outside nightclubs on the Gold Coast trying to entice punters to enter and drink?  So we've become a south east Asian brothel nation now?

Look, doesn't matter which party we get or which 'leader' -- their orders come from overseas. And that overseas agenda is to fill Australia with mid easterners and Asians, use the Aussie dollar like a yo-yo, set up more USrael bases in Oz in preparation for the orchestrated war of the future and turn Australians into demoralised consumers of mass-produced Asian crap

Rudd is a new world order pawn as are the fake Greens

Abbott knows the score as do the Libs and knows all he can do is his best within the rules and orders from overseas powers

We'll never see anything close to full employment in this country again until manufacturing returns.  And neither major party even discusses that

It's depressing

I'm surprised I can even fool around in this forum or pretend to care who 'gets in'

This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

Well so much for media bias....  oh I forgot.  That is only true when the media is promoting the liberals. the Age has been stridently pro-labor all campaign but no, that's not bias.  Only Murdoch is biased. Trouble is that Rudd is already dead in the water.

Longy,
read the editorial.
It is well balanced - not biased.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

Bobby, ideals are the most expensive things in life It's something you learn to your pain on the journey Ideals are often mistaken for 'dreams' and dreams are something Greens indulge in Dreams are generally worthless.  Anyone can have a dozen before breakfast.  Making them a reality is a different thing.  Most cannot achieve even three of their dreams in a lifetime Labor indulges in dreams.  And Greens are full of it It's proved expensive What people need are jobs, homes, a way to pay the bills Labor likes us to be in debt and Greens don't have a clue.  They just spin their wheels and expect pats on the back for prattling on like five year olds We don't need the NBN.  Fact.  We can't afford it.  It's a dinosaur.  And it was probably the result of certain Labor bods being promised brown-paper bags filled with cash for awarding contracts I want to see jobs and manufacturing returned to this country Labor never breathes a word.  And Greens never breathe a word unless Labor gives them permission So, we're confronted by an idiot seeking to be PM who blabs on about 'millions for training' --- as if people are too stupid to work out that without jobs at the end, what's the point of millions spent on training Neither of the big fake parties have breathed a word about taxing imports, yet everyone knows that if this were done, it would create work for Aussies, not Asians Incentives are provided by asia to manufacturers - huge incentives.  This was all part of the Lima Declaration The result has been an Australia with ever increasing unemployment.  Fundamental to Australia's recovery is job creation.  Both major parties crap on about job creation, but they're lying through their teeth.  WHAT job creation -- more kids with worthless degrees selling their virginity online or standing outside nightclubs on the Gold Coast trying to entice punters to enter and drink?  So we've become a south east Asian brothel nation now? Look, doesn't matter which party we get or which 'leader' -- their orders come from overseas. And that overseas agenda is to fill Australia with mid easterners and Asians, use the Aussie dollar like a yo-yo, set up more USrael bases in Oz in preparation for the orchestrated war of the future and turn Australians into demoralised consumers of mass-produced Asian crap Rudd is a new world order pawn as are the fake Greens Abbott knows the score as do the Libs and knows all he can do is his best within the rules and orders from overseas powers We'll never see anything close to full employment in this country again until manufacturing returns.  And neither major party even discusses that It's depressing I'm surprised I can even fool around in this forum or pretend to care who 'gets in'

PZ - you need to pick the best out of many bad choices.

That's our democracy at work.

If I had my way I would appoint administrators to run the country
as both major parties are built on lies & false propaganda.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead.

Yes Rudd is dead in the water according to the polls but
Abbott will not have an easy ride.
I reckon Rudd will stay on as opposition leader &
together with the Greens will block him in the senate.

Abbott will drink from the poisoned chalice.
This is not a win for Abbott but a nightmare.

We're in accord there, Bobby

More than once in this forum I've said we could dispense with the lot and put administration out to tender

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

We're in accord there, Bobby More than once in this forum I've said we could dispense with the lot and put administration out to tender

Good - we agree.

All the parties are rotten to the core.

You only have to look at creeps like Craig Thompson - getting blo jobs
using hard earned money from poorly paid workers.

It's disgusting.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. Yes Rudd is dead in the water according to the polls but Abbott will not have an easy ride. I reckon Rudd will stay on as opposition leader & together with the Greens will block him in the senate. Abbott will drink from the poisoned chalice. This is not a win for Abbott but a nightmare.

Rudd really needs to leave, win or lose

As to Rudd and Greens blocking Libs in the Senate

--- that's typical, isn't it?

Even worse this time because Rudd is a Revenge-Machine and I think it's the role he enjoys most.  Greens is comprised of individuals with chips on their shoulders.  And a whiff of power is aphrodisiac to them.  If they can't have their own way -- like Rudd -- they'll cut the people's noses off

Neither Rudd NOR Greens are keen on stability.  It would put the onus on them to come up with at least some goods instead of behaving like low-intelligence teenagers

Rudd and Greens hide their shortcomings behind chaos

People --- don't give your vote to Greens or Rudd or we'll return to the banana republic Keating foisted on us

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. Yes Rudd is dead in the water according to the polls but Abbott will not have an easy ride. I reckon Rudd will stay on as opposition leader & together with the Greens will block him in the senate. Abbott will drink from the poisoned chalice. This is not a win for Abbott but a nightmare.

sadly we can all see thats what lefties are hoping for... pretty shameful really but expected...


I dont think you are right by a long way though...

labor and the greens havent a chance in  hell...they are now minnows  in a big pond......true sorry to tell you that...

and all self inflicted....jumping into bed together did neither of them any good whatever..


so live with it bobby...

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:01am:

There needs to be a certain cut-off point before people are allowed to vote Those with 80 IQ points or less should be eliminated from the voter pool Which would eliminate Labor and Green voters

Of the people I know the conservative voters tend to almost always be the dumbest ????

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:10am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. Yes Rudd is dead in the water according to the polls but Abbott will not have an easy ride. I reckon Rudd will stay on as opposition leader & together with the Greens will block him in the senate. Abbott will drink from the poisoned chalice. This is not a win for Abbott but a nightmare. sadly we can all see thats what lefties are hoping for... pretty shameful really but expected... I dont think you are right by a long way though... labor and the greens havent a chance in  hell...they are now minnows  in a big pond......true sorry to tell you that... and all self inflicted....jumping into bed together did neither of them any good whatever.. so live with it bobby...

No way - Rudd is very vindictive - he'll block Abbott & destroy him in the Senate.

We have not seen the end of Rudd - far from it.

Rudd will hope to win the next election - maybe in 4 months time.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead.

the Age is always pro-labor.  but that isn't bias, you see.  It is only bias when you promote Liberals.

And Victoria will still lose seats to the libs.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:15am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:10am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. Yes Rudd is dead in the water according to the polls but Abbott will not have an easy ride. I reckon Rudd will stay on as opposition leader & together with the Greens will block him in the senate. Abbott will drink from the poisoned chalice. This is not a win for Abbott but a nightmare. sadly we can all see thats what lefties are hoping for... pretty shameful really but expected... I dont think you are right by a long way though... labor and the greens havent a chance in  hell...they are now minnows  in a big pond......true sorry to tell you that... and all self inflicted....jumping into bed together did neither of them any good whatever.. so live with it bobby... No way - Rudd is very vindictive - he'll block Abbott & destroy him in the Senate. We have not seen the end of Rudd - far from it. Rudd will hope to win the next election - maybe in 4 months time.

you really are a stupid person, aren't you?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:10am: We're in accord there, Bobby More than once in this forum I've said we could dispense with the lot and put administration out to tender Good - we agree. All the parties are rotten to the core. You only have to look at creeps like Craig Thompson - getting blo jobs using hard earned money from poorly paid workers. It's disgusting.

sorry mate but where have the libs come down to that level??????

NSW Inc... is a disgrace and almost not a word from the ALP.....where have the Libs stooped to that level???

who in the liberal party can you compare to THOMO?


ALL rotten to the core........ how??

being bitter doesn t mean you can tarnish everyone with the labor b rush......

THOMO  is being charged with over 150 charges...he should not have been in parliament..

slipper with his record.. should never have been made speaker...


but where have the libs stooped to that????

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. the Age is always pro-labor.  but that isn't bias, you see.  It is only bias when you promote Liberals. And Victoria will still lose seats to the libs.

Longy,
it's undisputed - the AGE is the most balanced newspaper in Australia - very intellectual.
the others are mostly Murdoch rags - not worth toilet paper.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:15am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:10am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. Yes Rudd is dead in the water according to the polls but Abbott will not have an easy ride. I reckon Rudd will stay on as opposition leader & together with the Greens will block him in the senate. Abbott will drink from the poisoned chalice. This is not a win for Abbott but a nightmare. sadly we can all see thats what lefties are hoping for... pretty shameful really but expected... I dont think you are right by a long way though... labor and the greens havent a chance in  hell...they are now minnows  in a big pond......true sorry to tell you that... and all self inflicted....jumping into bed together did neither of them any good whatever.. so live with it bobby... No way - Rudd is very vindictive - he'll block Abbott & destroy him in the Senate. We have not seen the end of Rudd - far from it. Rudd will hope to win the next election - maybe in 4 months time.

so its all about krudd might have guessed.. he has sure sucked you in bobby..

I dont think anyone on his front bench will like him...

or back bench for that matter... how does that work??

and now as we can see selfies are not that important when you realise this person is narcissistic to the core..

I bet half those pics taken cut out the other person and just had big grinning kevs in the frames.. LOL>>.

I mean  did you see him walk past that homeless man sleeping on the bench with not so much as a glance....

so caring and concerned... ::) ::)

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:13am: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:10am: We're in accord there, Bobby More than once in this forum I've said we could dispense with the lot and put administration out to tender Good - we agree. All the parties are rotten to the core. You only have to look at creeps like Craig Thompson - getting blo jobs using hard earned money from poorly paid workers. It's disgusting. sorry mate but where have the libs come down to that level?????? NSW Inc... is a disgrace and almost not a word from the ALP.....where have the Libs stooped to that level??? who in the liberal party can you compare to THOMO? ALL rotten to the core........ how?? being bitter doesn t mean you can tarnish everyone with the labor b rush...... THOMO  is being charged with over 150 charges...he should not have been in parliament.. slipper with his record.. should never have been made speaker... but where have the libs stooped to that????

Are you deaf & blind?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_politicians_convicted_of_crimes


Quote:

List of Australian politicians convicted of crimes

Plenty of Libbos on the list.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:20am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. the Age is always pro-labor.  but that isn't bias, you see.  It is only bias when you promote Liberals. And Victoria will still lose seats to the libs. Longy, it's undisputed - the AGE is the most balanced newspaper in Australia - very intellectual. the others are mostly Murdoch rags - not worth toilet paper.

that cant be right FAIRFAX is going broke......no one buys the AGe.. or the SMH....LOLOLOLOLOL

never mind bobby nice try.

The Age have got it right.

Shame that it makes no difference.

The guy in the video rant was also correct. It is amazing how many people can be persuaded to vote against their own best interests.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:20am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. the Age is always pro-labor.  but that isn't bias, you see.  It is only bias when you promote Liberals. And Victoria will still lose seats to the libs. Longy, it's undisputed - the AGE is the most balanced newspaper in Australia - very intellectual. the others are mostly Murdoch rags - not worth toilet paper.

I repeat... why are you so stupid and gullible.  WHO (other than you and pro-labor people) consider the AGE the most balanced newspaper?  that's right.... pretty much no one.

you are easily the most gullible person on here.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

The Age have got it right. Shame that it makes no difference. The guy in the video rant was also correct. It is amazing how many people can be persuaded to vote against their own best interests.

Thanks - The AGE is usually right & Dave speaks the truth.

Connecting up a rotten old copper network is nonsense peddled
by Malcolm Turnbull.
Did you know that many of the copper line pits are full of water
as well as asbestos?

How can we rely on that for the next 50 years?

.
I'd put Fraser on the list

And the Libs thought likewise

So they booted him.  Rescinded his lifetime membership

Fraser must have been a very bad boy for the Zionists to have such total control over him

If he'd had an ounce of integrity, he would have killed himself, rather than sacrifice the entire population of this country

But then Fraser is so insolently CONCEITED

He looks like a roasted testicle, yet he has the hide to be conceited and to believe his vomit reputation is worth more than 23 million Aussies

DIE SOON FRASER

and  TAKE  HAWKE  WITH  YOU


TO  YOUR  ZIONIST  HELL

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:22am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:13am: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:10am: We're in accord there, Bobby More than once in this forum I've said we could dispense with the lot and put administration out to tender Good - we agree. All the parties are rotten to the core. You only have to look at creeps like Craig Thompson - getting blo jobs using hard earned money from poorly paid workers. It's disgusting. sorry mate but where have the libs come down to that level?????? NSW Inc... is a disgrace and almost not a word from the ALP.....where have the Libs stooped to that level??? who in the liberal party can you compare to THOMO? ALL rotten to the core........ how?? being bitter doesn t mean you can tarnish everyone with the labor b rush...... THOMO  is being charged with over 150 charges...he should not have been in parliament.. slipper with his record.. should never have been made speaker... but where have the libs stooped to that???? Are you deaf & blind? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_politicians_convicted_of_crimes Quote: List of Australian politicians convicted of crimes Plenty of Libbos on the list.

VERY OLD NEWS BOBBY AND I THINK YOU WILL FIND THE LABOR POLLIES OUT NUMBER THE LIBS... AND THEIR DIRTY DEEDS MOST CERTAINLY DO..

SO AN OWN GOAL THERE MATEY..

you did say ALL PARTIES ARE ROTTEN TO THE CORE>>

I do dispute that.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:22am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:20am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. the Age is always pro-labor.  but that isn't bias, you see.  It is only bias when you promote Liberals. And Victoria will still lose seats to the libs. Longy, it's undisputed - the AGE is the most balanced newspaper in Australia - very intellectual. the others are mostly Murdoch rags - not worth toilet paper. I repeat... why are you so stupid and gullible.  WHO (other than you and pro-labor people) consider the AGE the most balanced newspaper?  that's right.... pretty much no one. you are easily the most gullible person on here.

Coming from an idiot ( read Longy ) who believes Murdoch rags.

You have no credibility.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:22am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:20am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:01am: This seems a classic case of throwing your money on a horse you can clearly see is dead. the Age is always pro-labor.  but that isn't bias, you see.  It is only bias when you promote Liberals. And Victoria will still lose seats to the libs. Longy, it's undisputed - the AGE is the most balanced newspaper in Australia - very intellectual. the others are mostly Murdoch rags - not worth toilet paper. I repeat... why are you so stupid and gullible.  WHO (other than you and pro-labor people) consider the AGE the most balanced newspaper?  that's right.... pretty much no one. you are easily the most gullible person on here.

Just keep on reading Murdoch - he can tell you how to think then look at the conservative shock jocks people like Bolt etc and you have to ask why do conservatives need to be told how to think ???

I repeat:

we haven't heard the last from Kevin Rudd.

'
So let me get this straight ....


An attempt is being made to persuade us to vote Rudd/Labor


because he'd be more dangerous to the country in opposition (because he's insane)

than as PM


Is that right ?

I can hardly believe it.  It's so Machiavellian, so Byzantine, so Shakespearian

but is that what you're saying - threatening, Bobby


I am incredibleness   ;D

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

. I'd put Fraser on the list And the Libs thought likewise So they booted him.  Rescinded his lifetime membership Fraser must have been a very bad boy for the Zionists to have such total control over him If he'd had an ounce of integrity, he would have killed himself, rather than sacrifice the entire population of this country But then Fraser is so insolently CONCEITED He looks like a roasted testicle, yet he has the hide to be conceited and to believe his vomit reputation is worth more than 23 million Aussies DIE SOON FRASER and  TAKE  HAWKE  WITH  YOU TO  YOUR  ZIONIST  HELL

Have you ever considered psychiatric help?

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

' So let me get this straight .... An attempt is being made to persuade us to vote Rudd/Labor because he'd be more dangerous to the country in opposition (because he's insane) than as PM Is that right ? I can hardly believe it.  It's so Machiavellian, so Byzantine, so Shakespearian but is that what you're saying - threatening, Bobby I am incredibleness   ;D

Rudd will have his revenge in the Senate just
like he had revenge over Gillard.

The show is not over on Saturday -
it's just the beginning.

.

Smith --- you're so uninspired

so lacking

so .....   you know ... boring and predictable


;D

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

I am incredibleness

not exactly how I would have phrased it!

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

. Smith --- you're so uninspired so lacking so .....   you know ... boring and predictable ;D

and you're still an idiot

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:29am: The Age have got it right. Shame that it makes no difference. The guy in the video rant was also correct. It is amazing how many people can be persuaded to vote against their own best interests. Thanks - The AGE is usually right & Dave speaks the truth. Connecting up a rotten old copper network is nonsense peddled by Malcolm Turnbull. Did you know that many of the copper line pits are full of water as well as asbestos? How can we rely on that for the next 50 years?

Virtually all the copper put down in the 1930's and 40's - the more recent stuff was substandard quality and does not provide the quoted speeds, the older copper was better. This covers many high profile suburbs

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:29am:

TODAY: Labor's policies best reflect our values. The Age has long held that policy, not personality, is the core of our democracy. It is on this basis that we advocate a vote for Labor in the federal election on Saturday. We do so fully acknowledging that the Coalition under Tony Abbott has run a disciplined and competent campaign, and that after six years of Labor government the electorate is wary and weary of Labor's infighting. Yet we cannot endorse a party that advocates policies with which we fundamentally disagree. As our readers know, we support Labor's national broadband network strategy, its commitment to increasing the superannuation guarantee levy, its Gonski schools funding plan, and its shift from a carbon price to an emissions trading scheme. We also support the deal it forged between business and environmentalists that led to areas of Tasmania's western wilderness being added to the World Heritage Area. In our view, these programs are initiatives towards generational change. They are visionary, forward-thinking and nation-building, not gimmicks devised to meet a three-year election cycle. Yet the Coalition would curb the scope of the NBN and defer the higher superannuation guarantee levy, despite the patent need to save as the population ages. The Coalition has failed to commit to the fifth and sixth years of funding on Gonski, the years of maximum investment, and it would claw back Tasmania's World Heritage wilderness listing. We deplore both major parties' policies on asylum seekers but support Labor's plan to increase Australia's humanitarian intake. The Coalition would cut it. Underscoring the Coalition's heartless approach is its proposal to slice $4.5 billion from Australia's foreign aid budget. Importantly, the Coalition has back-tracked disgracefully on climate change. Its commitment to reducing Australia's carbon emissions is now precariously linked to budget affordability. Climate change has moved beyond being a moral question. It is a fundamental economic imperative. Advertisement  Looking ahead, neither Labor nor the Coalition has seized us with a comprehensive vision for Australia's economic direction. Both have offered sound but limited strategies, targeted to different ends. The map for the longer term, though, is missing. While the Coalition would build new roads, it shies from expanding public transport networks. We are disheartened, too, by the Coalition's vaguely defined savings plans, such as cutting 12,000 jobs from the public sector. At the same time, we are bewildered by its profligate proposals, including handing $16 million to Cadbury to update a chocolate factory. The ultimate largesse, though, is its paid parental leave scheme. It beggars belief that the Coalition, which contends the budget is in a national emergency, would happily dole out parental payments of up to $75,000 without any reference to equity and absent of any means testing. Labor has its own clutch of opportunistic, ill-conceived policies: on northern Australia and the Garden Island naval base, for instance. On economic management it rests on its laurels, pointing to its performance through the financial crisis. It is now 2013, and recent growth has been muted by weakness in the mining sector and a widespread lack of confidence among consumers and businesses. Managing the budget back to surplus is a long-term project requiring a steady hand on revenue and savings, but it is not the be-all and end-all of economic management. Just before the 2010 election, The Age called for a vision for this nation's future, saying neither Labor nor the Coalition had inspired voters and the campaign had been hallmarked by ''diminished expectations, small targets and vapid slogans''. Sadly, it has been the same again in 2013. Fatuous and hollow sloganeering by the Coalition has been met with jib-jab policy on the run by Labor. On the issue of trust, the Coalition's own actions leave us with significant reservations. It has obfuscated and ducked critical issues, deliberately keeping voters uninformed about its savings plans or revenue-raising initiatives. Worse has been its breathtaking arrogance in cynically delaying until the last minute its policy costings - this, from the party that drafted the charter of budget honesty. When it comes to trusting Labor, we appreciate the public's confidence may be so undone that a change of government could prove to be a circuit-breaker, injecting a short-term sense of stability. But The Age values policies above political opportunism; we do not advocate a vote simply for the sake of change. The Age believes in economic and social progress, in liberty and justice, in equity and compassion, and openness of government. We believe the role of government is to build a strong, fair nation for future generations, and not to pander to sectional interests. It is with these values in mind that we endorse the Labor Party in this important election. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/labors-policies-best-reflect-our-values-20130905-2t828.html#ixzz2e3WqaAjY

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of course, all the morons who for months have been saying papers aren't biased but just reporting it as it is, will of course be crying that this paper is biased

Bobby quote
Quote:

Rudd will have his revenge in the Senate just like he had revenge over Gillard. The show is not over on Saturday - it's just the beginning

I see, Bobby

This is your new attack ---- your Plan Z, huh ?


Having realised no-one's going to be conned into voting Rudd/Labor on their non-existent attributes

You've now realised defeat and have decided to go for the final throw

by threatening us into voting a psychopath into the office of Prime Minister ?


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Well, at least it's novel


But will make people all the more determined to dump Greens and Rudd cold --- end of the list

By the way, has Corporal Rudd authorised this new form of coercion?   LOL


Man -- I've heard everything now

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Bobby quote Quote: Rudd will have his revenge in the Senate just like he had revenge over Gillard. The show is not over on Saturday - it's just the beginning I see, Bobby This is your new attack ---- your Plan Z, huh ? Having realised no-one's going to be conned into voting Rudd/Labor on their non-existent attributes You've now realised defeat and have decided to go for the final throw by threatening us into voting a psychopath into the office of Prime Minister ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Well, at least it's novel But will make people all the more determined to dump Greens and Rudd cold --- end of the list By the way, has Corporal Rudd authorised this new form of coercion?   LOL Man -- I've heard everything now

Sorry to tell you the truth.

Rudd has made sure that he can't be kicked out of the Labor leadership easily.
Why did he do it?

He knew he would lose so he's going to stuff up Tony's government.

You heard it first from Bobby.  ;)



Anyway  - gotta zip.  ;D

From when Rudd first became leader, and denigrated and blackened the name of a fine old farming family with his 'sad' story of being evicted, I distrusted him.   
To-day there's a story in the Courier Mail describing how some people have had their photos published on Rudd's election material, supposedly supporting him, yet they say they didn't say they support him.
Dishonest at the start, and dishonest at the end.
Dysfunctional and chaotic in between.    Yet, this supposedly 'intellectual' newspaper says we should vote for him!

He'll be committed before much longer, Bobby

We'll have the distinction of having had a leader who's universally derided as insane, along with Idi Amin and Mugabe

Rudd will put us on the map

in a bad way


Will those guys in the white coats hurry up and grab him

Saw him on tv earlier looking completely mental

Actually, he looked a lot like Richard Simmons ... (edit: for those too young to remember, Richard Simmons is/was a flamingly gay exercise guru)

Anyway, Bobby

It won't be as your threat attempts to portray it

Rudd's party will kick him to the kerb within five minutes after Libs are installed in government

Shorten and GG will rid Labor of Rudd

and you and he know that

but  nice try

;D

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

I repeat: we haven't heard the last from Kevin Rudd.

He will lose govt on Saturday and announce his resignation from parliament within a month.

Rudd's real place in the scheme of things (except he refuses to accept it)

is playing a minor role in the Coles Down Down promotions

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:01am:

There needs to be a certain cut-off point before people are allowed to vote Those with 80 IQ points or less should be eliminated from the voter pool...

Yeah then Tony could stop appealing to them with his 3-word slogans.

'Stop the boats' - its not aimed at PhD holders and professors is it?

True Colours wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:01am: There needs to be a certain cut-off point before people are allowed to vote Those with 80 IQ points or less should be eliminated from the voter pool... Yeah then Tony could stop appealing to them with his 3-word slogans. 'Stop the boats' - its not aimed at PhD holders and professors is it?

Nope.  It's aimed at people like you. Because Abbott knows even that would probably stretch the intellectual capabilities of your average Labor supporter

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 10:07am:

True Colours wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:05am: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:01am: There needs to be a certain cut-off point before people are allowed to vote Those with 80 IQ points or less should be eliminated from the voter pool... Yeah then Tony could stop appealing to them with his 3-word slogans. 'Stop the boats' - its not aimed at PhD holders and professors is it? Nope.  It's aimed at people like you. Because Abbott knows even that would probably stretch the intellectual capabilities of your average Labor supporter

more likely that it is aimed at people like you ... and you fell for it like the dopey twit you are.

Smith -- again, your response if that's what it's supposed to be

belongs in a sandpit

You simply need a voluntary voting system - thats all.

It's not rocket science.

I kid you not, honest truth - I sat outside the polling booth last time and waited for my wife to come out (I had voted in the UK election so opted out) - and heard "I just kinda put anyone, this is fked, they are all c0cks"

Now you dont need an IQ test.

In the UK we have a 39% turnout. That sits mighty fine with me.

People who want to vote and who have an interest vote. The council estates and dropouts don't vote and I dont want them to.

Why you force people to go along and vote is a nonsense.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

Smith -- again, your response if that's what it's supposed to be belongs in a sandpit

that's probably because it's correct ..... why embellish the truth?

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

you really should be encouraging them to face reality bobby... the must be doing something wrong for people to turn on them like they are doing... so why not encourage them to change get a different leader and a different set of rules.. get rid of the corrupt and opportunists who think nothing of changing the leader just because it suits them... get with REALITY bobby stop living in fantasy land.. what you are saying is the people are idiots dont know what they are doing if they dont vote labor... that doesnt win friends or votes... own it.. they are doing something WRONG.... voters have turned off them   WHY...its not hard to know why

you could have applied the same reasoning when howard was kicked out in 2007 ;)

the truth of the matter is that most voters are fickle and only have the attention span of a few years. They will chop and change major parties thinking that each time it is going to save them when the astute voters know that both major parties are beholden to trans national corporations and only govern for a minority and not for the majority that vote for them.

Think about that the next time Gina Winefart twists Tony Aborts arm for some extra favours :(

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

You simply need a voluntary voting system - thats all. It's not rocket science. I kid you not, honest truth - I sat outside the polling booth last time and waited for my wife to come out (I had voted in the UK election so opted out) - and heard "I just kinda put anyone, this is fked, they are all c0cks" Now you dont need an IQ test. In the UK we have a 39% turnout. That sits mighty fine with me. People who want to vote and who have an interest vote. The council estates and dropouts don't vote and I dont want them to. Why you force people to go along and vote is a nonsense.

for once I agree with you. Voting should not be compulsory but there is money involved so thats probably why it is here. Each candidate receives some money for every vote they get. I got fined for not voting in the stupid council elections and after several letters I couldn't get out of paying the fine. They would have made a killing from all of the fines. What a fricken racket and scam to have to vote for deadbeats you know absolutely nothing about and who only want to know you during election time :(

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

You simply need a voluntary voting system - thats all. It's not rocket science. I kid you not, honest truth - I sat outside the polling booth last time and waited for my wife to come out (I had voted in the UK election so opted out) - and heard "I just kinda put anyone, this is fked, they are all c0cks" Now you dont need an IQ test. In the UK we have a 39% turnout. That sits mighty fine with me. People who want to vote and who have an interest vote. The council estates and dropouts don't vote and I dont want them to. Why you force people to go along and vote is a nonsense.

the trouble is that your argument for voluntary voting is nothing more than that is is done in the UK and USA - nothing else.  Its not much of an argument.

Nonsense.

My argument that forcing people to vote who don't want to vote adds absolutely zero to any process.

It's not just the UK and US, pretty much nobody else in the world does it.

It's a crap system and intrinsically not that of a free society.

I should be free to not get up in the morning, spend election day in bed and not vote.
The Government should never tell me to vote.

You're the same country that doesn't allow me to bet in-game as well and fines me $150 for a simple violation on a train.

You're a bloody nanny state.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

Nonsense. My argument that forcing people to vote who don't want to vote adds absolutely zero to any process. It's not just the UK and US, pretty much nobody else in the world does it. It's a crap system and intrinsically not that of a free society. I should be free to not get up in the morning, spend election day in bed and not vote. The Government should never tell me to vote. You're the same country that doesn't allow me to bet in-game as well and fines me $150 for a simple violation on a train. You're a bloody nanny state.

those countries you so love force you to do a whole lot of things.  voting is a minor issue once every 3 years

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 1:58pm: Nonsense. My argument that forcing people to vote who don't want to vote adds absolutely zero to any process. It's not just the UK and US, pretty much nobody else in the world does it. It's a crap system and intrinsically not that of a free society. I should be free to not get up in the morning, spend election day in bed and not vote. The Government should never tell me to vote. You're the same country that doesn't allow me to bet in-game as well and fines me $150 for a simple violation on a train. You're a bloody nanny state. those countries you so love force you to do a whole lot of things.  voting is a minor issue once every 3 years

Exactly


When in Rome, etc. ....

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:27am:

Nothing written by any media whore will influence my vote

ACTUALLY, the scribblings of "any media whore" are the ONLY things that will "influence" your vote

If not "the MEDIA" - then who or what is your ORACLE ?

It sure as HELL ain't the IMF, OECD, Standard & Poor's, Moody's, Fitch's, Euromoney or the Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... who have ALL given a great big tick to the Rudd/Gillard Governments in their management of the Australian economy in the periods covering the GFC)




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 1:58pm: Nonsense. My argument that forcing people to vote who don't want to vote adds absolutely zero to any process. It's not just the UK and US, pretty much nobody else in the world does it. It's a crap system and intrinsically not that of a free society. I should be free to not get up in the morning, spend election day in bed and not vote. The Government should never tell me to vote. You're the same country that doesn't allow me to bet in-game as well and fines me $150 for a simple violation on a train. You're a bloody nanny state. those countries you so love force you to do a whole lot of things.  voting is a minor issue once every 3 years

I shouldn't have to do it.

If I don't want to vote, I should be completely free to not bother.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

Nonsense. My argument that forcing people to vote who don't want to vote adds absolutely zero to any process. It's not just the UK and US, pretty much nobody else in the world does it. It's a crap system and intrinsically not that of a free society. I should be free to not get up in the morning, spend election day in bed and not vote. The Government should never tell me to vote. You're the same country that ... fines me $150 for a simple violation on a train. You're a bloody nanny state.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 1:42pm: He asked to see my ticket. Joke of a country this is. Police state.You would not get this in London. £50 fines for putting your feet on train seats 11 October 2007 Rail and Tube passengers who put feet on seats face £50 on-the-spot fines from British Transport Police. Senior officers recognise that commuters often feel intimidated by low-level bad behaviour. They believe it also leads to more serious disorder and to clashes when troublemakers are confronted. Police are set to mount extra patrols as part of a major drive to reduce fear and cut crime on London's transport network. The fines will vary according to the offence, rising to £80, and will double if not paid within 21 days. Commuters today welcomed the crackdown and some called for it to be extended. Dahlia Simms, 34, from Earl's Court, said: "The last thing you want is someone's dirty shoes on your seat but you can't say anything because you just don't know if you'll get stabbed British Transport Police assistant chief constable Steve Thomas said: "People who put their feet on the seats are showing a lack of consideration for others. Annalie York, 26, a business development manager, from Fulham, said: "I can't stand sitting down in your clean work clothes on a dirty seat where someone's shoes have been." On Merseyside, local train operator Merseyrail has prosecuted 250 passengers for putting their feet on train seats The plan also highlights the success of a similar "zero tolerance" in New York. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487018/50-fines-putting-feet-train-seats.html#ixzz2dIqxf4As

Buzz commenting on economics or Finance.

Wealth of experience obviously....


Still makes me laugh.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:28pm:

I shouldn't have to do it. If I don't want to vote, I should be completely free to not bother.

NEWSFLASH !


You don't HAVE to

If you CAN'T assimilate to our ways - you are welcome to drag your mouldy, blue-blood arse back to a more friendly climate

Blue blood???

It's the same colour as yours.

From a working class father and a mother from Africa.

NEXT.............

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

Anyway, Bobby It won't be as your threat attempts to portray it Rudd's party will kick him to the kerb within five minutes after Libs are installed in government Shorten and GG will rid Labor of Rudd and you and he know that but  nice try ;D

Dear PZ,
I am sorry that frightened you but it's the truth.

Rudd is not going away - that's why he made it so hard for the
Labor party to vote him out.

He will fight Tony Abbott in the house of Reps & block him in the senate.

The fight has just started.

Vote Labor ?


I   don't   think   so


And what's this about Rudd in caretaker mode, granting $38 million contracts to his Saudi mates for Manus Island accommodation ?

That's OUR $38 million by the way

Simultaneous with this generosity, Rudd's been pulling in decidedly NON 'starving' fake reffos

It's looking to me as if Rudd had a contract with the Saudis to flood Australia with future members of the Moslem Brotherhood/Jihadists/bomber type characters

They all look as if they've been military trained

All the way, Rudd was lying and claiming the 'boats had stopped' and in any case, were being sent to PNG

He lied.  His ministers lied.  There are dozens of photos online showing Rudd using OUR navy, airforce and customs and border to ferry these dangerous, unexplained foreign guys to our shores

Rudd is working for the other side

In addition, his family's fortunes rest on contracts from the very government he represented throughout several years


This isn't just conflict of interest -- it's the work of a traitor in my opinion and the opinions of many


And for those who still don't know --- the Saudis have bought up massive tracts of Australia

in addition to sending half the mid east to our country


Rudd is a Saudi biatch, by the look of it

rushing to fulfil his contract to get as many potential jihadists into this country as possible, before he's booted out


How long before Rudd's true treachery is exposed, once he's no longer able to keep it under wraps ?

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Vote Labor ? I   don't   think   so And what's this about Rudd in caretaker mode, granting $38 million contracts to his Saudi mates for Manus Island accommodation ? That's OUR $38 million by the way Simultaneous with this generosity, Rudd's been pulling in decidedly NON 'starving' fake reffos It's looking to me as if Rudd had a contract with the Saudis to flood Australia with future members of the Moslem Brotherhood/Jihadists/bomber type characters They all look as if they've been military trained All the way, Rudd was lying and claiming the 'boats had stopped' and in any case, were being sent to PNG He lied.  His ministers lied.  There are dozens of photos online showing Rudd using OUR navy, airforce and customs and border to ferry these dangerous, unexplained foreign guys to our shores Rudd is working for the other side In addition, his family's fortunes rest on contracts from the very government he represented throughout several years This isn't just conflict of interest -- it's the work of a traitor in my opinion and the opinions of many And for those who still don't know --- the Saudis have bought up massive tracts of Australia in addition to sending half the mid east to our country Rudd is a Saudi biatch, by the look of it rushing to fulfil his contract to get as many potential jihadists into this country as possible, before he's booted out How long before Rudd's true treachery is exposed, once he's no longer able to keep it under wraps ?

PZ - that's utter nonsense.
Are you off your meds or something?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:55am: Anyway, Bobby It won't be as your threat attempts to portray it Rudd's party will kick him to the kerb within five minutes after Libs are installed in government Shorten and GG will rid Labor of Rudd and you and he know that but  nice try ;D Dear PZ, I am sorry that frightened you but it's the truth. Rudd is not going away - that's why he made it so hard for the Labor party to vote him out. He will fight Tony Abbott in the house of Reps & block him in the senate. The fight has just started.

;D ;D  You really re a DUMB FOCK bobby   ;)

woody2014 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:06pm: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:55am: Anyway, Bobby It won't be as your threat attempts to portray it Rudd's party will kick him to the kerb within five minutes after Libs are installed in government Shorten and GG will rid Labor of Rudd and you and he know that but  nice try ;D Dear PZ, I am sorry that frightened you but it's the truth. Rudd is not going away - that's why he made it so hard for the Labor party to vote him out. He will fight Tony Abbott in the house of Reps & block him in the senate. The fight has just started. ;D ;D  You really re a DUMB FOCK bobby   ;)

Dear Woody,
you are not capable of an intellectual reply.

for this you are forgiven

namaste

.

Quote:

Thursday, 05 September 2013 Red Sea Housing Services Pty Ltd and its contracts with the Australian Government The Australian and other media today carry reports like this: Manus locals demand asylum work •by: Rowan Callick, Asia-Pacific editor •From: The Australian  •September 05, 2013 12:00AM

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/09/red-sea-housing-services-pty-ltd-and-its-contracts-with-the-australian-government.html



Ruddy and Labor have been busy little boys while our attentions' been diverted by his idiot campaign antics, hasn't he

giving away our money to his Saudi chums

Seem to be irregularities aplenty, too

Check the above

Registered to a suburban house

dollar company

$38 million of OUR money

while he was in caretaker mode


Very suss

Very, very suss

Dear PZ,
Interesting link.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/09/red-sea-housing-services-pty-ltd-and-its-contracts-with-the-australian-government.html


Quote:

Canberra has signed a $38 million deal with a Saudi Arabian company, Red Sea Housing Services, to build accommodation.

I wonder if it was put out to contract & the best bid won?

This is an unknown issue & a bit late to place into the campaign.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Dear PZ, Interesting link. http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/09/red-sea-housing-services-pty-ltd-and-its-contracts-with-the-australian-government.html Quote: Canberra has signed a $38 million deal with a Saudi Arabian company, Red Sea Housing Services, to build accommodation. I wonder if it was put out to contract & the best bid won? This is an unknown issue & a bit late to place into the campaign.

You haven't READ it, have you, Bobby ?

Obviously not


Go read it

Then you'll be able to answer your own question


It's all there.  Documented


If you plan to die in two weeks and all your family and friends with you, then sure, it won't bother you

But if you intend to live 2 or 5 or even 25 years more

then it should disturb you

and will certainly pop a lightbulb in the heads of all those who do read it

This Rudd acts the clown

but he's a cunning little bastard

and ruthless as hell

Quote:

This Rudd acts the clown but he's a cunning little bastard and ruthless as hell

Abbott might be drinking the champagne on Saturday night
but his fight has only just started.

You haven't bothered to read it, Bobby


You're just a Paid Mouth for Hire in Rudd's employ

shame on you

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

You haven't bothered to read it, Bobby You're just a Paid Mouth for Hire in Rudd's employ shame on you

I wish someone would pay me for all my posts.  :)

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:27pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:27am: Nothing written by any media whore will influence my vote ACTUALLY, the scribblings of "any media whore" are the ONLY things that will "influence" your vote If not "the MEDIA" - then who or what is your ORACLE ? It sure as HELL ain't the IMF, OECD, Standard & Poor's, Moody's, Fitch's, Euromoney or the Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... who have ALL given a great big tick to the Rudd/Gillard Governments in their management of the Australian economy in the periods covering the GFC) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

get over it loser.  your crap incompetent govt has 24 hours left before it is terminated.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:05pm:

Blue blood??? It's the same colour as yours. From a working class father and a mother from Africa. NEXT.............

buggered if I know how an airline pilot is 'working class'.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:55am: Anyway, Bobby It won't be as your threat attempts to portray it Rudd's party will kick him to the kerb within five minutes after Libs are installed in government Shorten and GG will rid Labor of Rudd and you and he know that but  nice try ;D Dear PZ, I am sorry that frightened you but it's the truth. Rudd is not going away - that's why he made it so hard for the Labor party to vote him out. He will fight Tony Abbott in the house of Reps & block him in the senate. The fight has just started.

hey idiot. yes that's you.  the new rules require a ballot for leader after a losing election.  Even Rudds stilly rules cant stop him from facing the music.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:06pm: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:55am: Anyway, Bobby It won't be as your threat attempts to portray it Rudd's party will kick him to the kerb within five minutes after Libs are installed in government Shorten and GG will rid Labor of Rudd and you and he know that but  nice try ;D Dear PZ, I am sorry that frightened you but it's the truth. Rudd is not going away - that's why he made it so hard for the Labor party to vote him out. He will fight Tony Abbott in the house of Reps & block him in the senate. The fight has just started. hey idiot. yes that's you.  the new rules require a ballot for leader after a losing election.  Even Rudds stilly rules cant stop him from facing the music.

Rudd is here to stay.

smell the fear.

Kevin Rudd just phoned me but he didn't reply to my questions
& just kept on talking.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:06pm: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:55am: Anyway, Bobby It won't be as your threat attempts to portray it Rudd's party will kick him to the kerb within five minutes after Libs are installed in government Shorten and GG will rid Labor of Rudd and you and he know that but  nice try ;D Dear PZ, I am sorry that frightened you but it's the truth. Rudd is not going away - that's why he made it so hard for the Labor party to vote him out. He will fight Tony Abbott in the house of Reps & block him in the senate. The fight has just started. hey idiot. yes that's you.  the new rules require a ballot for leader after a losing election.  Even Rudds stilly rules cant stop him from facing the music. Rudd is here to stay. smell the fear.

he will be gone in less than 3 months.  gone from the leadership by Monday and gone from parliament not long after.

Longy,

Quote:

he will be gone in less than 3 months. gone from the leadership by Monday and gone from parliament not long after.

That's what you hope but it's not reality.

This thread will still be here & we will refer to it later to see who's right.

.

.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:45pm: Dear PZ, Interesting link. http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/09/red-sea-housing-services-pty-ltd-and-its-contracts-with-the-australian-government.html Quote: Canberra has signed a $38 million deal with a Saudi Arabian company, Red Sea Housing Services, to build accommodation. I wonder if it was put out to contract & the best bid won? This is an unknown issue & a bit late to place into the campaign. You haven't READ it, have you, Bobby ? Obviously not Go read it Then you'll be able to answer your own question It's all there.  Documented If you plan to die in two weeks and all your family and friends with you, then sure, it won't bother you But if you intend to live 2 or 5 or even 25 years more then it should disturb you and will certainly pop a lightbulb in the heads of all those who do read it This Rudd acts the clown but he's a cunning little bastard and ruthless as hell

have you ever stopped to wonder why even after M. Smith breaks the news, none of the other news services run with it?????? not how they would usually behave ....

Perhaps you should worry more about getting better and less about anything you read on Smiths blog .... do you realise they now have medication available for people like you????

Hi John,
PZ is not coping very well with the election -
he's become emotional.

He'll calm down soon enough.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:52pm:

Hi John, PZ is not coping very well with the election - he's become emotional. He'll calm down soon enough.

we all will.... when Abbott is PM

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:52pm: Hi John, PZ is not coping very well with the election - he's become emotional. He'll calm down soon enough. we all will.... when Abbott is PM

Longy,
you'll be smiling tomorrow night.

You've earned this victory.

However think  3 years down the road & imagine the Abbott baggage.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:05pm: Blue blood??? It's the same colour as yours. From a working class father and a mother from Africa. NEXT............. buggered if I know how an airline pilot is 'working class'.

when he comes from a working class council estate as a childhood background.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:52pm: You haven't bothered to read it, Bobby You're just a Paid Mouth for Hire in Rudd's employ shame on you I wish someone would pay me for all my posts.  :)

Their total net value all added together is $0.03

Would you like cash or cheque?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:58pm: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:52pm: You haven't bothered to read it, Bobby You're just a Paid Mouth for Hire in Rudd's employ shame on you I wish someone would pay me for all my posts.  :) Their total net value all added together is $0.03 Would you like cash or cheque?

you are rather generous.  most people would say he owes US money.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:05pm: Blue blood??? It's the same colour as yours. From a working class father and a mother from Africa. NEXT............. buggered if I know how an airline pilot is 'working class'. when he comes from a working class council estate as a childhood background.

Bill Gates is working class then.


go away with your nonsense.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:58pm: PZ547 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:52pm: You haven't bothered to read it, Bobby You're just a Paid Mouth for Hire in Rudd's employ shame on you I wish someone would pay me for all my posts.  :) Their total net value all added together is $0.03 Would you like cash or cheque? you are rather generous.  most people would say he owes US money.

Longweekend,
my posts are to you as pearls caste before swine -
trampled underfoot their value never being recognized.

forgiven

namaste

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:05pm: Blue blood??? It's the same colour as yours. From a working class father and a mother from Africa. NEXT............. buggered if I know how an airline pilot is 'working class'. when he comes from a working class council estate as a childhood background.

http://www.jmlalonde.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Frustrated-man-hitting-head.png

The election result is not in doubt.

What is in doubt is given that its my last Saturday in Australia, will I be sober enough to recognise who has won?

If anyone sees a group of English fellas in Richmond stumbling out of bars, come and say hello.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 5:11pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:05pm: Blue blood??? It's the same colour as yours. From a working class father and a mother from Africa. NEXT............. buggered if I know how an airline pilot is 'working class'. when he comes from a working class council estate as a childhood background. Bill Gates is working class then. go away with your nonsense.

I suggest you study the difference between money and class.

My old man is from Southmead, one of the roughest estates in all of the UK!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

The election result is not in doubt. What is in doubt is given that its my last Saturday in Australia, will I be sober enough to recognise who has won? If anyone sees a group of English fellas in Richmond stumbling out of bars, come and say hello.

will you be dressed like this?

http://aphs.worldnomads.com/safetyhub/12392/ladyboys_street.jpg

Yes obviously John.
How else would we be dressed

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

Yes obviously John. How else would we be dressed

one never can tell with you Andrei .....

(by the way, they were ladyboys?)

I assumed they were.

I've spent enough time in Amsterdam to play a safety first with Asians and steer clear.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

I assumed they were. I've spent enough time in Amsterdam to play a safety first with Asians and steer clear.

got caught out did you ???

I once had a work colleague who got caught ... thought he was getting a free blow job, but after she/ it was finished he went for a grope and found more than he bargained for ...  and if you knew this guy, there is no one who deserved it more than he did.  ;D ;D

Fortunately I have not but there is one on the window in Amsterdam on the main strip who you'd really struggle to spot it.
I have been told categorically by a guy on a bucks weekend.

"That's a fella"
"Nah. I don't reckon"
"Mate there is no reckon. It is"
"How? No.... Really?"
"I've never got my pants on so quickly before. I was still putting my shoes on down the steps"

You know the authorities now make transsexuals put blue neon lights in their windows now.
Red for girls, blue for fellas and transgenders.

So it doesn't harm the sex dollar and give Holland a bad name.

Only the Dutch would do this!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Fortunately I have not but there is one on the window in Amsterdam on the main strip who you'd really struggle to spot it. I have been told categorically by a guy on a bucks weekend. "That's a fella" "Nah. I don't reckon" "Mate there is no reckon. It is" "How? No.... Really?" "I've never got my pants on so quickly before. I was still putting my shoes on down the steps" You know the authorities now make transsexuals put blue neon lights in their windows now. Red for girls, blue for fellas and transgenders. So it doesn't harm the sex dollar and give Holland a bad name. Only the Dutch would do this!

it's a worry when you can't tell them apart .... Seems the Dutch authorities got it right.

As with pretty much everything, the Dutch just quietly get things right.

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:47pm: The election result is not in doubt. What is in doubt is given that its my last Saturday in Australia, will I be sober enough to recognise who has won? If anyone sees a group of English fellas in Richmond stumbling out of bars, come and say hello. will you be dressed like this?

Why do homosexuals always invade my threads?
This thread is about the editorial in the AGE.


http://aphs.worldnomads.com/safetyhub/12392/ladyboys_street.jpg

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:28pm: I shouldn't have to do it. If I don't want to vote, I should be completely free to not bother. NEWSFLASH ! You don't HAVE to If you CAN'T assimilate to our ways - you are welcome to drag your mouldy, blue-blood arse back to a more friendly climate

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:05pm:

Blue blood??? It's the same colour as yours. From a working class father and a mother from Africa. NEXT.............

... and ONE day, I may come to the realisation my father was not a carpenter after ALL - but an international, commercial airline pilot

... and my mother, whom I'd been led to believe was a piece-work seamstress - was actually "Scarlet O'Hara" ... a product of "old money" from the British pillaging of the Transvaal

... and Clayton Tech. was really St. Pansy's Grammar



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