It looks like we'll be using copper for the next 50 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4cxVw8wfU

Aborts version of the NBN.

http://www.cansonastring.com.au/img/tin-can-telephone2.jpg

it's a pity .... a political party finally does something for Australia's future, and the libs just want to tear it up ... the libs should be jailed for stopping the completion of the NBN

Rupert Murdochs media empire wins again   :D

Yes guys - it's  such a shame.
it would have employed so many people & given us world class
communications for the next 100 years.

We now have line pits full of water which is corroding the copper wires.
With fiber optics - water was not a problem.
The pit also have asbestos in them.
Every time they are opened asbestos will blow down your street
& you'll breathe it in.

The election of Abbott will be remembered as a luddite win.

shame.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Yes guys - it's  such a shame. it would have employed so many people & given us world class communications for the next 100 years. We now have line pits full of water which is corroding the copper wires. With fiber optics - water was not a problem. The pit also have asbestos in them. Every time they are opened asbestos will blow down your street & you'll breathe it in. The election of Abbott will be remembered as a luddite win. shame.

labors biggest fault was using Telstras old junk network :(

They should have gone with the chinese mob and built it from scratch.

If you want an indication of what an Abbott NBN will be like, you need look no further
than the third-rate, vested-interest-riddled, closed-shop joke that is FreeView.

Yep, Coalition thinking, through and through.

Bought and paid-for by the major networks, no competition allowed.

That's what happens when you let Luddites set IT or comms policy.

Kat wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

If you want an indication of what an Abbott NBN will be like, you need look no further than the third-rate, vested-interest-riddled, closed-shop joke that is FreeView. Yep, Coalition thinking, through and through. Bought and paid-for by the major networks, no competition allowed. That's what happens when you let Luddites set IT or comms policy.

Yes Kat,
also - with the NBN you would have had enormous upload speeds.
You could have run a big website from your own home.

Isn't anyone sorry to say goodbye to the NBN?

Goodbye NBN

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

Goodbye NBN

Goodbye, idiot.

Kat wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:50pm: Goodbye NBN Goodbye, idiot.

So you are going to end it all then  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:53pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:50pm: Goodbye NBN Goodbye, idiot. So you are going to end it all then  ;D

are you admitting you are an idiot?

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:57pm: Kat wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:53pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:50pm: Goodbye NBN Goodbye, idiot. So you are going to end it all then  ;D are you admitting you are an idiot?

I thought he was talking to you.

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:57pm: Kat wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:53pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:50pm: Goodbye NBN Goodbye, idiot. So you are going to end it all then  ;D are you admitting you are an idiot?

He doesn't need to admit it, it may as well (and should) be tattooed on his forehead.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:57pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:57pm: Kat wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:53pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:50pm: Goodbye NBN Goodbye, idiot. So you are going to end it all then  ;D are you admitting you are an idiot? I thought he was talking to you.

liar, you couldn't have  ... that would require actual thoughts

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

Goodbye NBN

Goodbye NBN.

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:50pm: Goodbye NBN Goodbye NBN. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

But Abbott said he wants to be known as the infrastructure PM

Maybe Abbott-oire is planning on building more corporatized Jails?

Goodbye to the ftth nbn.

FTTN nbn -don't say I didn't warn you.

I'll be laughing in 6 years when the lbn provides no increase in speeds or service levels.

Don't worry Booby, Malcolm will make a faster NBN using a blanket and a campfire.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:07pm:

Don't worry Booby, Malcolm will make a faster NBN using a blanket and a campfire.

But I wanted high definition TV & videos from all over the world in real time.

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:07pm: Don't worry Booby, Malcolm will make a faster NBN using a blanket and a campfire. But I wanted high definition TV & videos from all over the world in real time. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

but I thought that you wanted spiritual enlightenment, not some superficial Hollywood façade to internalise your neurotic adhesion to the Kung fu series.

the NBN will not save you my son

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:09pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:07pm: Don't worry Booby, Malcolm will make a faster NBN using a blanket and a campfire. But I wanted high definition TV & videos from all over the world in real time. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( but I thought that you wanted spiritual enlightenment, not some superficial Hollywood façade to internalise your neurotic adhesion to the Kung fu series. the NBN will not save you my son

no reason he shouldn't have both

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:09pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:07pm: Don't worry Booby, Malcolm will make a faster NBN using a blanket and a campfire. But I wanted high definition TV & videos from all over the world in real time. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( but I thought that you wanted spiritual enlightenment, not some superficial Hollywood façade to internalise your neurotic adhesion to the Kung fu series. the NBN will not save you my son

I suppose some low resolution Kung Fu clips will have to do?

I suppose peace is prized above victory?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DhnAnGd8PY

the NBN has thousands of connection problems already it was stated in the paper the other day..

they are taking short cuts etc much like the pink batts debacle really...

whats wrong with the internet now?

it's fast enough for anyone to do gaming, watching videos and downloading documents faster than you can read them...

I can buy on line etc already..

you can Skype and do everything you need to do already....

so whats the big whoha??

I could give two runs about the NBN... there's more important things like saving peoples lives... upgrading our hospitals etc..

if abbott speeds up the internet a bit then fine.. i'll get a few more fracks... ;)

True Blue... wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

the NBN has thousands of connection problems already it was stated in the paper the other day.. they are taking short cuts etc much like the pink batts debacle really... whats wrong with the internet now? it's fast enough for anyone to do gaming, watching videos and downloading documents faster than you can read them... I can buy on line etc already.. you can Skype and do everything you need to do already.... so whats the big whoha?? I could give two runs about the NBN... there's more important things like saving peoples lives... upgrading our hospitals etc.. if abbott speeds up the internet a bit then fine.. i'll get a few more fracks... ;)

so you think that because all you use it for is skype and shopping, that's all everyone else needs it for too?

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:16pm: the NBN has thousands of connection problems already it was stated in the paper the other day.. they are taking short cuts etc much like the pink batts debacle really... whats wrong with the internet now? it's fast enough for anyone to do gaming, watching videos and downloading documents faster than you can read them... I can buy on line etc already.. you can Skype and do everything you need to do already.... so whats the big whoha?? I could give two runs about the NBN... there's more important things like saving peoples lives... upgrading our hospitals etc.. if abbott speeds up the internet a bit then fine.. i'll get a few more fracks... ;) so you think that because all you use it for is skype and shopping, that's all everyone else needs it for too?

pretty much.. you left off gaming...

as for claims that you'd save $3800 a year with the NBN... pffft...

some people would believe anything..

btw... would you like to buy the Sydney Harbour Bridge? ... I can get it for you at a cheap price.. honest..

All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels.
There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that.

The NBN could supply that in real time so we could
have giant screens that were still sharp & clear.

Forget about it now.
Tony has seen to that.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:07pm:

Don't worry Booby, Malcolm will make a faster NBN using a blanket and a campfire.

yeh malcoms wanking blanket :D

bugger me dead, you blokes don't half moan.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:25pm:

All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that.

$42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it

if that was all it would be used for you may have a point ....

the NBN was to service the country, not just Bobby.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:25pm:

All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that.

Is that it?  Nation Building stuff for sure. Right up there with shade clothes over playgrounds. This'll show the rest of the world not to laugh at us....over priced, under delivered and simply unnecessary.

Makes me wonder how far advanced our broadband would be now if private enterprise hadn't effectively frozen investment the minute the intellectual giants Conroy and Krudd announced they were gonna take on the world of NBN cause they knew better.

A bigger facking disaster has never been seen and its still unfolding in front of our eyes.

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it

I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN.
I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet.

What I want to know is what about those of us who have the new fiber optic cable running past our houses but aren't connected? Will we still get the benefit from it or was it all a waste of time & money laying it in the first place?

I really want to know when/if our speeds will be improved. It would be nice to download one of those pirated movies in about 10 minutes instead of the 2 hours - 2 weeks it currently takes.  ::)

True Blue... wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

... whats wrong with the internet now? it's fast enough for anyone to do gaming, watching videos and downloading documents faster than you can read them... I can buy on line etc already.. you can Skype and do everything you need to do already.... ...

Exactly.

We don't need your new-fangled telly-o-phone. We have telegram delivery boys. And we've supplied them with bicycles, so telegrams arrive even faster!

wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

What I want to know is what about those of us who have the new fiber optic cable running past our houses but aren't connected? Will we still get the benefit from it or was it all a waste of time & money laying it in the first place? I really want to know when/if our speeds will be improved. It would be nice to download one of those pirated movies in about 10 minutes instead of the 2 hours - 2 weeks it currently takes.  ::)

And at what cost to download said illegal pirate movie at this enhanced speed? Are people who pride themselves on stealing really that keen to pay for premium speed broadband? 

wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

What I want to know is what about those of us who have the new fiber optic cable running past our houses but aren't connected? Will we still get the benefit from it or was it all a waste of time & money laying it in the first place? ...

If NBN fibre passes your premises, you will have been offered free connection at the time it was installed.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

... I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN. I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet.

The old "but what is it good for"? We've been down that rabbit hole before. Truth be known, whatever we think improved infrastructure might be used for, the truth is always something else. Anyway, here's one I prepared earlier:
# wrote on Aug 17^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: So your reasoning for spending $50B is "I think we will need it ... Actually, I don't pretend to know enough to think that. Besides, didn't Turnbull say it will cost several trillion? longweekend58 wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: ... but IM not really sure what for" ... Unlike you, I don't pretend to know all. Anyway, over dinner we've been having a little fun with your silly question. Our first hypothetical builds on your Jetsons reference, I call it "When bmus:// replaces http://". "http://" refers to the protocol by which web pages are transmitted; "bmus://" is an initialism for "Beam me up, Scotty". OK, that's Star Trek, not The Jetsons, but close enough. The Star Trek transporter supposedly converted matter into energy, beamed the energy to another location, then converted the energy back into matter. It's been calculated that doing so with something the size of a human being would take more energy than is thought to exist in the known universe, so it's a little impractical. One proposed way around the difficulty is to transmit, not the energy of your matter, but information about that matter. To do that, you'd be blasted into a plasma, the quantum state of every subatomic particle recorded, the information transmitted and you reassembled from matter that's already at the receiving end, using that information. So far, I'm told, we can blast you into plasma quite effectively. Optical fibre has the necessary capacity, though the NBN hardware at each end would need upgrading. Recording the quantum states and reassembly after transmission will be left as exercises for the class.  ;) Of course, the amount of data involved (a human body is composed of quite a few atoms and each atom of many particles) is prodigious, so the bandwidth is substantial. The second hypothetical involves the nano-assembler, on which the likes of Drexler have been working for decades. The idea is that objects be built up, atom by atom. Goods could, for example, would be purchased online and delivered, not physically, but as instructions for the nano-assembler. Transmitting data for every atom in an object is bound to be bandwidth-intensive. One interesting side-effect is that so-called "piracy" enters a whole new dimension (or three). The third is not so hypothetical. It has been proposed that, where there's sufficient penetration of fibre to the premises, services that are currently broadcast be transferred to the network. That frees up valuable spectrum for other uses. This only works where there's a free fibre connection to every premises. The Coalition's half-baked proposal simply won't cut it. Copper lacks the necessary bandwidth and demanding that people pay for connections to services that are currently broadcast free would be difficult to sell politically. You asked me to anticipate an application for the residential market. I've given you three possibilities, two of which have serious proponents (much to my surprise). In reality, we're all in the position of that bloke who couldn't figure out what use a telephone might be. Our frame of reference is telegrams delivered by bicycle. You still haven't clarified what you believe will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth. I presume that's because nothing will.

Bear in mind that video standards, such as 4k and beyond, are about to exceed the bandwidth available in the broadcast spectrum.

Rider wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

... at what cost ...

Experience of those lucky enough to have access is that the NBN generally delivers slightly better services at slightly lower cost. The substantial difference is the availability of vastly better services, albeit at higher costs.

Do I have to repeat myself?


The copper wires we have now are in pits that contain water.
Water corrodes copper & causes faults.
What we will have is a deteriorating system that will get worse over time.

Optic fiber is protected from water & is therefore more reliable.

Bigger things to worry about, Bobby

Like all those Aussie families living out in the bush in shipping containers, no running water or sanitation, no power


all so we can keep Rudd's jihadists in comfort near city conveniences and train stations .... for free

PZ547 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

... Like all those Aussie families living out in the bush in shipping containers, no running water or sanitation, no power all so we can keep Rudd's jihadists in comfort near city conveniences and train stations .... for free

All of which you made up.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:53pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:50pm: Goodbye NBN Goodbye, idiot. So you are going to end it all then  ;D

HILARIOUS.....



  this must a SORE LOSERS MEETING>>>


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

PZ547 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

Bigger things to worry about, Bobby Like all those Aussie families living out in the bush in shipping containers, no running water or sanitation, no power all so we can keep Rudd's jihadists in comfort near city conveniences and train stations .... for free

PZ,
Well you'll have nothing to complain about anymore -
your hero Abbott will solve every problem.

and still not one viable reason as to why we need to spend 100 billion dollars on the internet...

the stupidest waste of money second only to the Carbon/green schemes..

some of you people are fair dinkum brain dead..

True Blue... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

and still not one viable reason as to why we need to spend 100 billion dollars on the internet... the stupidest waste of money second only to the Carbon/green schemes.. some of you people are fair dinkum brain dead..

Blue,
I heard so many different figures on the price -
from $34 billion to your new price - the highest - $100 billion.

When you lose your internet & phone for weeks at a time due to
water getting on the old copper wires -
just remember what Dave told you:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4cxVw8wfU

True Blue... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

and still not one viable reason as to why we need to spend 100 billion dollars on the internet... the stupidest waste of money second only to the Carbon/green schemes.. some of you people are fair dinkum brain dead..

Honestly I think most of the left just viewed it as another shortcut on the road to Greece which is where they all long to end up. 

True Blue... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

and still not one viable reason as to why we need to spend 100 billion dollars on the internet... the stupidest waste of money second only to the Carbon/green schemes.. some of you people are fair dinkum brain dead..

you really should learn to read .... you were given several reasons as well as the actual cost ....

I realise it must hurt when you use your brain, but that's just because it's seizing up from lack of use, the more you use it, the more freely it will run and the less it will hurt ... honest.

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Goodbye to the ftth nbn. FTTN nbn -don't say I didn't warn you. I'll be laughing in 6 years when the lbn provides no increase in speeds or service levels.

but in 6 years we will actually HAVE the FTTN with increased speeds while the NBN is so far behind that at this rate it will take 30 years to finish.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN. I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet.

you gave one completely worthless example - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet using source material that by and large, doesn't exsit ourside of movies in the last couple years.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:10pm: and still not one viable reason as to why we need to spend 100 billion dollars on the internet... the stupidest waste of money second only to the Carbon/green schemes.. some of you people are fair dinkum brain dead.. Blue, I heard so many different figures on the price - from $34 billion to your new price - the highest - $100 billion. When you lose your internet & phone for weeks at a time due to water getting on the old copper wires - just remember what Dave told you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4cxVw8wfU

you mean like how we ARENT losing our phone and internet ADLS services now?  the maintenance of the pits is an ongoing issue and hardly a new one.  Do you thik they are going to run fibre thru water-filled pits?  Do you think it is impervious to such an environment?  You are a a techno-galah.

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:19pm:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:10pm: and still not one viable reason as to why we need to spend 100 billion dollars on the internet... the stupidest waste of money second only to the Carbon/green schemes.. some of you people are fair dinkum brain dead.. you really should learn to read .... you were given several reasons as well as the actual cost .... I realise it must hurt when you use your brain, but that's just because it's seizing up from lack of use, the more you use it, the more freely it will run and the less it will hurt ... honest.

nope we have still not seen one actual use of the NBN that exceeds the capacity of the current network.

Now that abbott is in the PMs office, hopefully he'll quit opposing the NBN simply because it was a labor plan, see sense and carry it on.  This is one promise I'd be happy to see him break.

I look forward to being near to one of these 50,000+ nodes.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:17pm: True Blue... wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:10pm: and still not one viable reason as to why we need to spend 100 billion dollars on the internet... the stupidest waste of money second only to the Carbon/green schemes.. some of you people are fair dinkum brain dead.. Blue, I heard so many different figures on the price - from $34 billion to your new price - the highest - $100 billion. When you lose your internet & phone for weeks at a time due to water getting on the old copper wires - just remember what Dave told you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4cxVw8wfU you mean like how we ARENT losing our phone and internet ADLS services now?  the maintenance of the pits is an ongoing issue and hardly a new one.  Do you thik they are going to run fibre thru water-filled pits?  Do you think it is impervious to such an environment?  You are a a techno-galah.

Longweekend,
if you've ever seen optic fiber cable you would realize that
it's in a water proof jacket.
Even if water did touch an optic fiber it would still work.
Copper is destroyed by simple water vapour.

your ignorance is forgiven

namaste

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

I look forward to being near to one of these 50,000+ nodes.

I have to say - Turnbull's plan is still better than the rubbish we have now.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN. I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet. you gave one completely worthless example - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet using source material that by and large, doesn't exsit ourside of movies in the last couple years.

And that's the whole smacking point, innit?

When they are available, we won't be ready, because of you smacking ignorant Luddites.

smack ME!!!

Good point Kat,
if we followed luddites we would still be using morse code.

Kat wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN. I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet. you gave one completely worthless example - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet using source material that by and large, doesn't exsit ourside of movies in the last couple years. And that's the whole smacking point, innit? When they are available, we won't be ready, because of you smacking ignorant Luddites. smack ME!!!

then why aren't we building a network of highways for the next generation of 400KM/hr cars?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED.  no way we should be paying $100B so some nob like booby can watch non-existent material on non-existent TVs when he could simply buy them on disc anyhow when (and if) they become available in about 10 years.

idiots.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 10:47pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN. I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet. you gave one completely worthless example - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet using source material that by and large, doesn't exsit ourside of movies in the last couple years. And that's the whole smacking point, innit? When they are available, we won't be ready, because of you smacking ignorant Luddites. smack ME!!! then why aren't we building a network of highways for the next generation of 400KM/hr cars? BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED.  no way we should be paying $100B so some nob like booby can watch non-existent material on non-existent TVs when he could simply buy them on disc anyhow when (and if) they become available in about 10 years. idiots.

how does the highway change with a faster car? thicker bitumen?

or a thicker moron for suggesting it?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 10:47pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN. I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet. you gave one completely worthless example - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet using source material that by and large, doesn't exsit ourside of movies in the last couple years. And that's the whole smacking point, innit? When they are available, we won't be ready, because of you smacking ignorant Luddites. smack ME!!! then why aren't we building a network of highways for the next generation of 400KM/hr cars? BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED.  no way we should be paying $100B so some nob like booby can watch non-existent material on non-existent TVs when he could simply buy them on disc anyhow when (and if) they become available in about 10 years. idiots.

Longweekend,
you're an angry man & you need to see a doctor.

You do not understand technology.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 10:47pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:25pm: All we get now on HD TV is 1920 x 1080 pixels. There is a newer standard that's 3 to 4 times more than that. The NBN could supply that in real time so we could have giant screens that were still sharp & clear. Forget about it now. Tony has seen to that. $42 bil so you can get better reception on your wide screen tv, yeah totally worth it I gave just one small example of the potential of the NBN. I am sure there are other's we haven't even thought about yet. you gave one completely worthless example - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet using source material that by and large, doesn't exsit ourside of movies in the last couple years. And that's the whole smacking point, innit? When they are available, we won't be ready, because of you smacking ignorant Luddites. smack ME!!! then why aren't we building a network of highways for the next generation of 400KM/hr cars? BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED.  no way we should be paying $100B so some nob like booby can watch non-existent material on non-existent TVs when he could simply buy them on disc anyhow when (and if) they become available in about 10 years. idiots.

Typical Libbo exaggeration - I have heard many figures from
$34 billion to now $100 billion.

In the long run using only optic fiber may be cheaper.

still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money...

isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away..

if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money...

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:37am:

still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money...

And who are these welfare bludgers?

Ok, goodbye NBN. :)

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ...

Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV
Hisense Ultra HD TVs
SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever
84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told)
I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available.

For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality.

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:37am:

still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money...

you are such an idiot if you think the only reason people may disagree with you is because they are on welfare ...  god forbid you actually put up a decent argument.

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality.

It is well known here - Longy is a halfwit.

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:37am: still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money... you are such an idiot if you think the only reason people may disagree with you is because they are on welfare ...  god forbid you actually put up a decent argument.

Blue is another halfwit - these forums seem to breed them.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

... then why aren't we building a network of highways for the next generation of 400KM/hr cars? ...

As I've already demonstrated, 4k TVs are already available. Show me your 400km/h car.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:37am: still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money... And who are these welfare bludgers?

Anyone who disagrees with him.

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:37am:

still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money...

It's taxpayers money - not yours.  You know what infrastructure is supposed to be paid for with, don't you?

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality.

I fail to imagine how watching a bigger/better tv is beneficial for anyone or for Australia.

It'ld be better for you to go for a walk.

... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:37am: still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money... It's taxpayers money - not yours.  You know what infrastructure is supposed to be paid for with, don't you?

Mate, we can't have infrastructure.

That involves *GASP!* spending...

"There will be no infrastructure under a government I lead..."

Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15am: True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:37am: still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money... It's taxpayers money - not yours.  You know what infrastructure is supposed to be paid for with, don't you? Mate, we can't have infrastructure. That involves *GASP!* spending... "There will be no infrastructure under a government I lead..."

I just can't understand these clowns.  After all the trillions the gov has taken from us in tax, the first time they attempt a major infrastructure project from it, these jerks say "oh don't worry mate - we'll pay for it"
Soon they'll be saying:

"roads?  We don't need roads.  This potholed mess gets us from A to B doesn't it?"

"hospitals?  Pfft waste of money.  Or local witchdoctors hut gives us all the healin' we need"

"power station?  What's wrong with candles to light our homes?"

... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

Kat wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:17am: ... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15am: True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:37am: still no reasons for wasting 100 Billion Dollars of Tax Payers money... isn't it funny how the welfare bludgers of this forum want to throw our money away.. if they actually worked for a living and "paid" Tax like the rest of us maybe they wouldn't be so flippant with OUR money... It's taxpayers money - not yours.  You know what infrastructure is supposed to be paid for with, don't you? Mate, we can't have infrastructure. That involves *GASP!* spending... "There will be no infrastructure under a government I lead..." I just can't understand these clowns.  After all the trillions the gov has taken from us in tax, the first time they attempt a major infrastructure project from it, these jerks say "oh don't worry mate - we'll pay for it" Soon they'll be saying: "roads?  We don't need roads.  This potholed mess gets us from A to B doesn't it?" "hospitals?  Pfft waste of money.  Or local witchdoctors hut gives us all the healin' we need" "power station?  What's wrong with candles to light our homes?"

They are only opposed to it because it was a labor policy ... if Howard or Abbott had thought of it, they would be shouting it from the rooftops as the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

# wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:57am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality. I fail to imagine ...

Indeed.

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:27am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15am: # wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:57am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality. I fail to imagine ... Indeed.

mm a whole ONE TV at enormous price and no source material or player.

400Km/hr cars are available too but we aren't designing our road system around them.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

# wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:57am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality. I fail to imagine how watching a bigger/better tv is beneficial for anyone or for Australia. It'ld be better for you to go for a walk.

so how does a better tv improve your life ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15am: # wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:57am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality. I fail to imagine how watching a bigger/better tv is beneficial for anyone or for Australia. It'ld be better for you to go for a walk. so how does a better tv improve your life ?

It is just one example of the infinite possibilities of the NBN.

How about downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV?

How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube?

What about running a full large internet server from home
with huge 1 GBit/ sec upload?

We can only begin to imagine the possibilities.

Well - say goodbye to it for now.

At least Turnbull is promising direct optic fiber connection
for those willing to pay for it but I heard a figure
of $20,000 per month to rent a 1 GBit/sec  line speed. (up & down)

Who can afford that?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:17pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15am: # wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:57am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality. I fail to imagine how watching a bigger/better tv is beneficial for anyone or for Australia. It'ld be better for you to go for a walk. so how does a better tv improve your life ? It is just one example of the infinite possibilities of the NBN. How about downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV? How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube? What about running a full large internet server from home with huge 1 GBit/ sec upload? We can only begin to imagine the possibilities. Well - say goodbye to it for now. At least Turnbull is promising direct optic fiber connection for those willing to pay for it but I heard a figure of $20,000 per month to rent a 1 GBit/sec  line speed. (up & down) Who can afford that?

why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs.

Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either.

NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all.

I'm glad if it's been scrapped

A white elephant that's taken centre stage for far too long at the expense of far more important matters

All it was anyway was a way to enrich contractors

Glad it's been scrapped

Now let's move on

But Longy - you're a luddite who'd still be happy with dialup speeds -
just admit it.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough

when they were discussing telephone lines and debating wether to put them in or stick to the telegram and stage coach, do you think they envisioned dial up? fax? video calls?

your argument is beyond  pathetic.

Why do we need roads - horses are good enough.
Why do we need telephones - the telegram is fine.
Why do we need hospitals - leeches do the job.

It's great that the government has never paid for infrastructure before! (SIGH!!!!!!)

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough when they were discussing telephone lines and debating wether to put them in or stick to the telegram and stage coach, do you think they envisioned dial up? fax? video calls? your argument is beyond  pathetic.

Tired and pathetic old argument


The quality of discussion in this forum persuades too many people have access to the current system anyway

Stop the damn boats

Eject a large proportion of migrants already sneaked in by Labor

Cut the amount to Indonesia (why the hell are we giving them anything at all ?  Let's look at THAT)

Reform the electoral commission.  It's slack and open to corruption.  Dab everyone with indelible ink once they've voted and put those ballot papers under armed guard overnight and tighten up the scrutineering

Stop giving money to car manufacturers when they're making profits in the billions

Disperse migrant ghettos throughout Australia for those who're permitted to remain

Get the fluoride OUT of our water !

Urgent enquiry like yesterday re: the toxins being dumped in the air we breathe by the military we pay

An end to politicians living on our dollar until the day they die.  Put the bastards on performance based contracts

feel free to add

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough when they were discussing telephone lines and debating wether to put them in or stick to the telegram and stage coach, do you think they envisioned dial up? fax? video calls? your argument is beyond  pathetic.

15 years ago we were all happy with dial up speeds.
Now in 2013 dial up is completely unusable.
In 15 years time todays internet speeds will be archaic. But we will be stuck with 19th century copper wire.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Tired and pathetic old argument

no more tired or pathetic than 'you can't name a use for it so we shouldn't build it'

and I'm not sure that, given the nature and style of most of your posts, you can comment on the quality of discussion on this forum without being a total fvcken hypocrite.

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:13pm: Tired and pathetic old argument no more tired or pathetic than 'you can't name a use for it so we shouldn't build it' and I'm not sure that, given the nature and style of most of your posts, you can comment on the quality of discussion on this forum without being a total fvcken hypocrite.

Your side lost

Learn to live with what that entails

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:16pm: PZ547 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:13pm: Tired and pathetic old argument no more tired or pathetic than 'you can't name a use for it so we shouldn't build it' and I'm not sure that, given the nature and style of most of your posts, you can comment on the quality of discussion on this forum without being a total fvcken hypocrite. Your side lost Learn to live with what that entails

like you had accepted the fact that your side lost for the last 6 yrs?   
;D ;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D :D

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all.

you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :(

Just more tired old crap


from the Paid to Post manual

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Just more tired old crap from the Paid to Post manual

the libbos NBN ;D

http://www.cansonastring.com.au/img/tin-can-telephone2.jpg

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :(

Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other.


If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle

Nonsense - Nail is right.

The fact is that if it's done right with fiber you don't have to re-do it later.
The aging copper network will only deteriorate over time as
it sits in pits full of water & humidity.

One day you won't have a connection anymore & you'll
be buying a USB wireless stick at astronomical prices to just stay online.

That's our future under Luddite Libbos - people like you.

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle

it's not a lifestyle dickhead. For those that actually work for a living it is an essential service.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:56pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:37pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle Nonsense - Nail is right. The fact is that if it's done right with fiber you don't have to re-do it later. The aging copper network will only deteriorate over time as it sits in pits full of water & humidity. One day you won't have a connection anymore & you'll be buying a USB wireless stick at astronomical prices to just stay online. That's our future under Luddite Libbos - people like you.

50 yo junk copper network they flogged off to gullible mums and dads investors :(

like selling old rope :(

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:17pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15am: # wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:57am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality. I fail to imagine how watching a bigger/better tv is beneficial for anyone or for Australia. It'ld be better for you to go for a walk. so how does a better tv improve your life ? It is just one example of the infinite possibilities of the NBN. How about downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV? How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube? What about running a full large internet server from home with huge 1 GBit/ sec upload? We can only begin to imagine the possibilities. Well - say goodbye to it for now. At least Turnbull is promising direct optic fiber connection for those willing to pay for it but I heard a figure of $20,000 per month to rent a 1 GBit/sec  line speed. (up & down) Who can afford that?

bobby - yes, so how does watching a better tv improve you life ?
your examples are :-
Quote:

.....downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV? How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube?...............

how do those improve your life ?
you would be better to go for a walk around the block.
literally. it's bette for your health than watching tv.
even in hyperdefinition virtual reality.
Walking is better.

Sprint - why not do both?

I love walking with my friends & their dogs.

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:56pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:37pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle Nonsense - Nail is right. The fact is that if it's done right with fiber you don't have to re-do it later. The aging copper network will only deteriorate over time as it sits in pits full of water & humidity. One day you won't have a connection anymore & you'll be buying a USB wireless stick at astronomical prices to just stay online. That's our future under Luddite Libbos - people like you. 50 yo junk copper network they flogged off to gullible mums and dads investors :( like selling old rope :(

Yes Nail,
I'm glad I didn't buy any of those Telstra shares -
that was a John Howard con job.

5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city.

By  Sam Gustin, Time

April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT


Quote:

CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds. In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee. The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer. Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet. What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented. "The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:57pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:37pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle it's not a lifestyle dickhead. For those that actually work for a living it is an essential service.

so no one can get internet at work now???  since 90% of the cost is for RESIDENTIAL ie NOT work then what are you going on about THIS TIME?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:37pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle it's not a lifestyle dickhead. For those that actually work for a living it is an essential service. so no one can get internet at work now???  since 90% of the cost is for RESIDENTIAL ie NOT work then what are you going on about THIS TIME?

it's obvious you struggle with basic comprehension after such an idiotic comment

One thing's for sure....

Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter.

Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city. By  Sam Gustin, Time April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT Quote: CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds. In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee. The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer. Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet. What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented. "The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger." http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities

so, a net company is pushing faster broadband ?
No surprise in that.

".........When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger........" - that's false.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:44pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:17pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15am: # wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:57am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 7:41pm: ... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ... Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV Hisense Ultra HD TVs SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever 84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told) I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available. For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality. I fail to imagine how watching a bigger/better tv is beneficial for anyone or for Australia. It'ld be better for you to go for a walk. so how does a better tv improve your life ? It is just one example of the infinite possibilities of the NBN. How about downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV? How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube? What about running a full large internet server from home with huge 1 GBit/ sec upload? We can only begin to imagine the possibilities. Well - say goodbye to it for now. At least Turnbull is promising direct optic fiber connection for those willing to pay for it but I heard a figure of $20,000 per month to rent a 1 GBit/sec  line speed. (up & down) Who can afford that? bobby - yes, so how does watching a better tv improve you life ? your examples are :- Quote: .....downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV? How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube?............... how do those improve your life ? you would be better to go for a walk around the block. literally. it's bette for your health than watching tv. even in hyperdefinition virtual reality. Walking is better.

and there is no answer to this query.

Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

One thing's for sure.... Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter. Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem.

lets face it, if they were in any way 'smart' Abbott would never have won the election.

Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

One thing's for sure.... Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter. Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem.

Hi Kat,
The Libbos are never going to live this down.
They will be reminded all the time in parliament of their Luddite programs.

I'd love to see this page in 3 years' time because everything will have changed so much technology wise,. that you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city. By  Sam Gustin, Time April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT Quote: CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds. In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee. The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer. Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet. What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented. "The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger." http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities

Dear Baron,
did you read the above?

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer.

that is the issue any responsible person has.
Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage.

If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it.

At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer. that is the issue any responsible person has. Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage. If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it. At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme?
Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or
we'd never do anything wonderful.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:36pm: 5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city. By  Sam Gustin, Time April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT Quote: CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds. In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee. The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer. Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet. What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented. "The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger." http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities so, a net company is pushing faster broadband ? No surprise in that. ".........When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger........" - that's false.

a observation or two... even Google is unsure what anyone is going to actually do with 1Gb internet AND it claims to be 100 times faster than the current American 10Mbps.... excuse me???  I thought we were the dinosaurs with our average 12Mpds ADSL2+???  Are you telling me that we are faster than the worlds biggest economy???

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:37pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle it's not a lifestyle dickhead. For those that actually work for a living it is an essential service. so no one can get internet at work now???  since 90% of the cost is for RESIDENTIAL ie NOT work then what are you going on about THIS TIME?

a lot of people work from home these days. which century are you living in ?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:10pm: the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer. that is the issue any responsible person has. Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage. If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it. At NO expense to the taxpayer. Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme? Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or we'd never do anything wonderful.

the NBN isn't wonderful.  it is an incremental update to an existing system costing 5 times what the snowy mountain scheme cost

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:39pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:57pm: BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:37pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs. Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV  - and that simply isn't good enough.  Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either. NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all. you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite :( Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other. If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle it's not a lifestyle dickhead. For those that actually work for a living it is an essential service. so no one can get internet at work now???  since 90% of the cost is for RESIDENTIAL ie NOT work then what are you going on about THIS TIME? a lot of people work from home these days. which century are you living in ?

not a lot at all.  SOME.  say it again.... SOME people work from home.

what number do you call a lot and what number do you call some?

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

what number do you call a lot and what number do you call some?

spending 90% of a huge amount that is at least $60B (ie $54B)  on the residential market is going to need more than a few home workers to justify.  and for the record, I have worked from home for 23 years starting with NO internet thru to dial-up, ADSL1 and now ADLS 2+.  It has worked admirably.  If I was still doing database software development I might opt for a 100Mps connection for convenience (assuming my clients have one and thwy may not) but with the FTTN offering 50Mbps I almost certainly would not.

Remote data services don't need high bandwidth necessarily.  And rolling out a huge network for the 2% of homes that have people working from it is daft especially when you already have options such as linked dual ADLS 2+ connections which can already give you up toe 48Mbps

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:36pm: 5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city. By  Sam Gustin, Time April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT Quote: CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds. In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee. The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer. Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet. What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented. "The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger." http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities so, a net company is pushing faster broadband ? No surprise in that. ".........When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger........" - that's false.

Mmm and 'traditional' media comapnies oppose it.

No surprise in that.

Say goodbye to the NBN and say hello to $40B in the back pocket.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

Say goodbye to the NBN and say hello to $40B in the back pocket.

Yes.  Unfortunately, it's not my back pocket.

Nor yours.

Nor any of ours.

Not sure why you think being ripped off to the tune of $40B is something to celebrate.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

Say goodbye to the NBN and say hello to $40B in the back pocket.

The chinky chonks and saudis won't be happy, they were the ones paying for labors broadband with interest, I'm worried that if labor aren't around to give our country away maybe the chinky chonks will have to go to plan B and invade us instead. 

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:42pm: One thing's for sure.... Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter. Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem. lets face it, if they were in any way 'smart' Abbott would never have won the election.

Mmmmm.
Would have been smarter to vote for another three years of incompetence instead eh.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:10pm: the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer. that is the issue any responsible person has. Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage. If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it. At NO expense to the taxpayer. Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme? Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or we'd never do anything wonderful. the NBN isn't wonderful.  it is an incremental update to an existing system costing 5 times what the snowy mountain scheme cost

So, let's make it a fair comparo, eh?

What would the Snowy Scheme cost if it were being built NOW?

Work that out, then compare to the NBN.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 5:26pm: Say goodbye to the NBN and say hello to $40B in the back pocket. The chinky chonks and saudis won't be happy, they were the ones paying for labors broadband with interest, I'm worried that if labor aren't around to give our country away maybe the chinky chonks will have to go to plan B and invade us instead.

Go on, shock me, and post something relevant that makes sense, for a change.

I just did Gumby, if that doesn't make sense to you then nothing ever will, you may as well join the circus freak show and call it a day.

Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:22pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:10pm: the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer. that is the issue any responsible person has. Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage. If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it. At NO expense to the taxpayer. Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme? Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or we'd never do anything wonderful. the NBN isn't wonderful.  it is an incremental update to an existing system costing 5 times what the snowy mountain scheme cost So, let's make it a fair comparo, eh? What would the Snowy Scheme cost if it were being built NOW? Work that out, then compare to the NBN.

Hear hear Kat,
Longweekend bends numbers to suit his argument.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:45pm: what number do you call a lot and what number do you call some? spending 90% of a huge amount that is at least $60B (ie $54B)  on the residential market is going to need more than a few home workers to justify.  and for the record, I have worked from home for 23 years starting with NO internet thru to dial-up, ADSL1 and now ADLS 2+.  It has worked admirably.  If I was still doing database software development I might opt for a 100Mps connection for convenience (assuming my clients have one and thwy may not) but with the FTTN offering 50Mbps I almost certainly would not. Remote data services don't need high bandwidth necessarily.  And rolling out a huge network for the 2% of homes that have people working from it is daft especially when you already have options such as linked dual ADLS 2+ connections which can already give you up toe 48Mbps

I care little about your life story ... you were the one who wanted to argue if it is some or a lot, my question should be easy for you, and yet you avoid answering ..... is it because you know your argument was nothing but a red herring? ....

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:45pm: Kat wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:42pm: One thing's for sure.... Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter. Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem. lets face it, if they were in any way 'smart' Abbott would never have won the election. Mmmmm. Would have been smarter to vote for another three years of incompetence instead eh. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

not at all sour grapes ... take the personalities out of it and labor had the better policies by far ... unfortunately, politics is about personalities not policies ... just look at the new senate.

As published here many times:

What do Liberals stand for ??

Quote:

The Liberals stand for:- - No Vision for the future - Luddite mentality - keeping everyone in the dark and in the past - Zero career prospects for people - Low education standards - Casualization of the work force with crap job prospects - Making lame excuses to do nothing - Free trade agreements decimating manufacturing and losing jobs - Manufacture absolutely nothing and focus on digging crap out of the ground or planting seeds - Set fire to coal mentality at any cost - Destroy the environment without worrying about the consequences - Do not promote excellence - Worship rich corporations and keep the majority enslaved to them - Dumb down the population and the media - Sell off public assets and privatise everything and then charge the punters more for services - A health care system based on the US health care system which murders its own citizens - Waste tax payers money on useless sporting events and creating jobs for your own family members as well as: - The Liberals stand for the rights of the rich people to get richer. - They stand for the exploitation of working class people in dingy unsafe factories. - They believe in the "trickle down" effect where if you reward rich people the money will reach the poor as well. - The Liberals stand for individual rights & not for the rights of society or a nation. - The Liberals believe in a born to rule mentality. - This means that if you are born poor then you shouldn't have the same rights to a top education or health care as a rich person. - The Liberals believe in a shopkeeper mentality which came from Margaret Thatcher. - A true Liberal always has a copy of one her books by his or her bedside.

Notice the highlighted ones are coming true before your eyes?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

... NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all.

We've been down this rabbit-hole before, longweekend58. When challenged, you did your customary disappearing trick. I'm intrigued by what your fondness for the question reveals about you.

For the record, I'm quite content to say that I don't know.  In reality, we're all in the position of that bloke who couldn't figure out what use a telephone might be. Our frame of reference is telegrams delivered by bicycle.

Anyway, back to your peculiar question. The question implies that you believe that what you don't see cannot be. The corollary to that is that you believe that, all that can be, you see. The term for that is omnscience; a characteristic normally restricted to deities.

So how long have you had this God complex?

The healthy question is the one you ran away from: what will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth? Last I heard, residential demand was projected to hit 1Gb/s around 2020. I have no idea what will generate that demand (I don't consider myself omniscient), but that doesn't affect the trend.

Of course, the higher the speed, the shorter the length of copper over which the signal can travel. We'll soon pass the point where a node will be required for every house. Sort of makes fibre to the premises more sensible, doesn't it?

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# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

When challenged, you did your customary disappearing trick

and he disappears again ....  ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

# wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:21pm: When challenged, you did your customary disappearing trick and he disappears again ....  ::) ::)

When Longy loses - he either
disappears or returns & calls you a homo.

He's a sad person.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer. that is the issue any responsible person has. Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage. If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it. At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Like most Labor stooges they don't know how the private market works...

so listen you nincompoops...

if a lot of people want it and there's a buck to be made then the private sector will supply it..

if people don't want or need it then it isn't necessary..

and lets face it.. ADSL has never stopped any of your Loser Labor Stooges from printing your garbage on here...  ::)

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:10pm: the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer. that is the issue any responsible person has. Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage. If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it. At NO expense to the taxpayer. Like most Labor stooges they don't know how the private market works... so listen you nincompoops... if a lot of people want it and there's a buck to be made then the private sector will supply it.. if people don't want or need it then it isn't necessary.. and lets face it.. ADSL has never stopped any of your Loser Labor Stooges from printing your garbage on here...  ::)

how the private market works? I'll tell you how it works, I'm on a fixed line and my internet still drops out at least a dozen times a day because Telstra doesn't give a crap. You have no choice but to use their products,

why would they spend $40B when they can not spend it, and still charge you the same? (don't say wireless, I work from home and wireless is to unreliable, in my area I have no choice but to use Telstra).

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

if a lot of people want it and there's a buck to be made then the private sector will supply it.. if people don't want or need it then it isn't necessary.. and lets face it.. ADSL has never stopped any of your Loser Labo

It it's the private sectors job to supply vital infrastructure, what do we need the government for?

... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:05pm: if a lot of people want it and there's a buck to be made then the private sector will supply it.. if people don't want or need it then it isn't necessary.. and lets face it.. ADSL has never stopped any of your Loser Labo It it's the private sectors job to supply vital infrastructure, what do we need the government for?

the jobs that make money...

like what has already been said in this thread.. fibre optics was already being run out at no cost to the tax payer..

there's been new fibre optics supplied between Melbourne and Warrnambool already at a fraction of the cost Labor was doing it for and it's faster than the NBN..

all they need do now is get some retailers and contractors to plumb it in and start using it..

I don't care what you luddites say -
I am sad that a gleaming optic fiber is not connected to my premises.

I too have to put up with slow speeds - it's hard to get better than
a 360 pixel video on Youtube & sometimes my connection drops out.

Let's face it we're all paying big dollars for substandard connections even as with my ADSL2+.

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:11pm: True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:05pm: if a lot of people want it and there's a buck to be made then the private sector will supply it.. if people don't want or need it then it isn't necessary.. and lets face it.. ADSL has never stopped any of your Loser Labo It it's the private sectors job to supply vital infrastructure, what do we need the government for? the jobs that make money... like what has already been said in this thread.. fibre optics was already being run out at no cost to the tax payer.. there's been new fibre optics supplied between Melbourne and Warrnambool already at a fraction of the cost Labor was doing it for and it's faster than the NBN.. all they need do now is get some retailers and contractors to plumb it in and start using it..

So let me get this straight -

It's the private sectors role to provide vital infrastructure, and governments role to provide jobs and make money?

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True Blue... wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

the NBN has thousands of connection problems already it was stated in the paper the other day.. they are taking short cuts etc much like the pink batts debacle really... whats wrong with the internet now? it's fast enough for anyone to do gaming, watching videos and downloading documents faster than you can read them... I can buy on line etc already.. you can Skype and do everything you need to do already.... so whats the big whoha?? I could give two runs about the NBN... there's more important things like saving peoples lives... upgrading our hospitals etc.. if abbott speeds up the internet a bit then fine.. i'll get a few more fracks... ;)

What's a sheeple?

well well well...

like all of the intelligent forum members have been saying on here... there's not one good reason why the useless Labor government would throw away 100 BILLION dollars of Tax Payers money..

what the Liberals will do will be mostly finished in a few years... then sell if off to Private enterprise...

from there you will see them finish the job putting fibre into homes...

but only if Australians actually "want it" ...

if they don't then it won't happen until later on...

The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN

Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn

Signed.

John S wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:30am:

The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn

A petition is a good idea.
Perhaps if people pedged to give $100 each and enough poeple did that, there would be a fund enough for a FTTH NBN ?

I'ld consider it. I am for a fibre net, I am against the govt borrowing money to do it.

I voted for the superior FTTN option.  I love all those little grey 'dalek' thingos that will soon be part of every street scape.    Soon there will be thousands.  I wont mind if they go and string it up between telegraph poles either - anything for a superior system than that outfaded FTTH   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am: The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn A petition is a good idea. Perhaps if people pedged to give $100 each and enough poeple did that, there would be a fund enough for a FTTH NBN ? I'ld consider it. I am for a fibre net, I am against the govt borrowing money to do it.

Do you ever think that the government has to borrow money to built infrastructure doesn't matter what it is. Even State government and local council borrow money to built infrastructure.

If they never borrow money to built infrastructure what would we have.

Kat wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:38am:

Signed.

Signed.  There was almost 140,000 signatures by the time I got to it.

... wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:19am:

Kat wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:38am: Signed. Signed.  There was almost 140,000 signatures by the time I got to it.

sure about that? I went on after you and it said 111 000 signed, 138989 needed ... the 140 you saw may have been what was needed

John S wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:30am:

The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn

if you are a member of any other message forums put the link on there spread the word

The worst thing you can do with major infrastructure projects is to change direction half way through.

Whatever you hope to achieve in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested on the original planned model.

This is one policy, the liberals should leave well enough along, and see through.     They only opposed it for oppositiion sake to start with.   
Please let common sense overcome stubborn ideology.

John S wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:30am:

The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn

What a good link - & the problem is well explained.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

The worst thing you can do with major infrastructure projects is to change direction half way through. Whatever you hope to achieve in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested on the original planned model. This is one policy, the liberals should leave well enough along, and see through.     They only opposed it for oppositiion sake to start with.    Please let common sense overcome stubborn ideology.

dr -
Quote:

.........in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested .....

, I believe the libs will take this into account.

Sprint,
Turnbull will supply fiber if you want but it will cost a fortune.

The DESTRUCTION of the dream for TRUE BROADBAND for Australia - a corrupt negative of the "breakfast deal" made between Rupert Murdoch and Tony Abbott - is the ONLY NEGATIVE for ME in this change of federal governance




Australia - ALL of Australia - NEEDS a NATIONAL Broadband Network
Not just something similar to South Yarra, Vaucluse and New Farm




In a peculiar whim of SANITY - ( ... and  without a "whisper" from RUPERT)  BOB KATTER preferenced the ALP, in EVERY electorate,  based on a SOLID PRO-ARGUMENT for our NBN




It's NO COINCIDENCE, that such a "hat wearing" CAPITALIST" - and a "badge wearing SOCIALIST"  joined forces over EQUALITY for RURAL AUSTRALIA    

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

... dr - Quote: .........in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested ..... , I believe the libs will take this into account.

Only if Rupert OKs it.

Quote:

The biggest certainty facing the country's national broadband network is that it will undergo a complete metamorphosis in the next 12 months with a new board, a new management team, a new culture and strategy, new cost structures and a new set of relationships in the telecommunications sector. Three separate reviews and a forensic audit of NBN Co will be undertaken immediately, which will effectively give the incoming Abbott government a get-out-of-jail-free card to oust the existing board and take the national broadband network in any direction it wants - and it will. Critics have described the NBN in its current form as ''overstaffed'', a ''bottomless pit of taxpayer funding'' and a ''quagmire wrapped in a minefield''. Besides providing political fodder to humiliate the Rudd government, the reviews will look at the NBN's ownership structure and its regulatory protections. This could result in the private sector being invited to take equity to help fund the rollout. It could also precipitate a review of the role of the competition watchdog the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in administering the current open access regime. NBN Co has suffered more than its fair share of scandals in the past few years, including massive cost blowouts, timetable delays, board disharmony, asbestos scares and some unhappy contractors who are losing money and want out. Advertisement Critics have described the NBN in its current form as ''overstaffed'', a ''bottomless pit of taxpayer funding'' and a ''quagmire wrapped in a minefield''. But its own figures are the most damning. In 2010 the target was for almost 1 million homes and premises to be hooked up. By June 2013 fewer than 175,000 homes and businesses were connected. In simple terms after almost five years and $5 billion later the NBN is only 2 per cent built. The first change a Coalition government is likely to do is appoint Ziggy Switkowski to take charge of the audit and reviews and negotiations with key vendors. His appointment will be followed by others with a depth of experience in the telecommunications and/or construction sectors. Kerry Schott is likely to be one of the few board members to keep her job. But the biggest change will be the relationships with retail service providers, ISPs and others as the new government switches from a fibre-to-the-home national broadband network to a cheaper fibre-to-the-node and fibre-to-the-basement network. This will require a new and published business plan coupled with analysis, which will be used to renegotiate the Telstra/NBN deal to arrange copper access and compensation in the fibre-to-the-node footprint as well as redesigning the rollout. It will also mean holding discussions with Optus and other industry players as well as contractors. It will make for interesting times for Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, which was blackballed from tendering for the NBN due to ''national security issues''. That was the only explanation given at the time by the then Gillard government. Instead, it appointed Alcatel-Lucent as the main broadband technology provider. Huawei is currently doing the equivalent work on the British version of the NBN, which is a combination of fibre to the home and fibre to the node using a new technology called vectoring, which increases the bandwidth of traditional copper lines. As one former senior telco executive said: ''There is plenty of run left in copper.'' Alcatel-Lucent is also an expert in vectoring, a technology that communications minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has made clear will be used in its cheaper version of the NBN. Turnbull has said he will revisit the banning of Huawei if elected to government, which means if Huawei gets the all-clear in terms of national security issues, it could end up with a role in the NBN. The change from fibre to the home to fibre to the node will have profound implications for Telstra, contractors and other telco players including Optus. But at the end of the day the aim is to have a network that costs less, is finished sooner and is more efficient. The aim is to create a hybrid fibre, copper, wireless and satellite network with components brought together that offers affordable prices and has a configuration similar to that being adopted in other countries.With so much change, the new government will need to be mindful that the right industry structure emerges. It was a need to change the structure that inspired the creation of the NBN in the first place. This is an area Switkowski will be well versed in given his background as a former chief executive of Telstra. Turnbull and Switkowski will have their work cut out for them unpicking some of the contracts put in place by their predecessors and making sure the right industry structure, regulation and entity is created. But given the current state of play, it seems they are starting from a low base.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/coalition-to-take-axe-to-nbn-co-20130910-2ti9y.html

Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am: The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn What a good link - & the problem is well explained.

Abbott has guaranteed that he will keep all election promises at whatever cost. Its his "trust" agenda.
This means, even if FTTN cost twice as much as FTTH, FTTN is what we'll get.  Even if buying indonesian fishing boats sends us broke, he will keep buying.

He's an ideologist gone mad.  Be more like Barry Ofarrell, and break promises at will.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am: The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn What a good link - & the problem is well explained.

maybe all the signatories will agree to have their taxes increased significantly to pay for it. I bet that gets them off it.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

9000 people petition against the carbon tax. Tony the wank moron says he'll do it.
145,000 people petition for the FTTH .Tony the wank moron says he won't do it.

He's an idiot. Plain and simple.

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

... Like most Labor stooges they don't know how the private market works... ...

Some of us have been around long enough to observe how that works.

My favourite example was in Sydney, when Telstra and Optus were competing in hybrid fibre-coax. Both tried to cherry-pick the most lucrative markets. Some suburbs ended up with two sets of cables, strung 30 centimetres apart between power poles. Most of the nation was never cabled.

Market infallibility is canon to the faithful. For them, the term "market failure" is blasphemy. Unfortunately, markets fail quite frequently. In infrastructure, the failure commonly takes the form of over-serving the most lucrative markets, while under-serving - or not serving - others. Australia cannot afford the waste, inefficiency and ineffectiveness inherent in the inadequacies of what you call "the private market", in the provision of vital infrastructure. When markets fail, we need government to step in.

Government is the most effective provider of natural monopoly infrastructure like roads, sewerage, water reticulation, electricity reticulation and telecommunications. Anything for which there is a connection to the premises and more than one connection would be a waste (so competition in the physical infrastructure is not realistic).

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

... fibre optics was already being run out at no cost to the tax payer..

You believe in free lunches? Perhaps their customers don't pay taxes?

It will probably come as a shock to you, but there's always a cost. When the private sector dominates, those who can pay do, while those who can't do without. Publicly owned infrastructure ensures more equitable access.


True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

there's been new fibre optics supplied between Melbourne and Warrnambool already ...

Pretending to confuse major trunks with distributors and customer tails? Are you desperate or just bog ignorant?

Fibre is progressively replacing copper for reasons similar to those that led to copper replacing iron wire: lower maintenance costs and higher reliability. Fibre has the added advantage that it's cheaper than copper, whereas copper is more expensive than iron.

The issue is with the so-called "last mile", the bit between the exchange and the premises. What happens between Melbourne and Warrnambool is not relevant to the NBN. As you point out, up to the exchanges, fibre is already the norm.


True Blue... wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

... at a fraction of the cost Labor was doing it for and it's faster than the NBN.. ...

You can't substantiate either assertion, can you?

Quote:

Re: Say goodbye to the NBN

Ok.....goodbye to the NBN  :P

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 10:40am: John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am: The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn What a good link - & the problem is well explained. maybe all the signatories will agree to have their taxes increased significantly to pay for it. I bet that gets them off it.

You can't substantiate your assertion that fibre to the premises will be "significantly" more expensive, can you? Given that bandwidth demand is forecast to exceed 1Gb/s by 2020. The nodes will need to be scrapped before most of them are even installed.  Will short-term parsimony prove wasteful in the longer term? If so, are you just putting off your "significant" tax increase? Of course, the fertiliser won't impact the ventilator until after the next election, which is probably the plan.


longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm: Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link? if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

Turnbull says $5,000, but that's based on an idealised assessment. Come to think of it, the whole plan is based on an idealised assessment of the condition of Telstra's customer access network (the wires into premises).

From a national perspective, even the unrealistically idealised $5,000 is an unjustified extra expense. Multiplied by the millions of premises in Australia, the Coalition's plan is unaffordable.

Abandoning fibre to the premises is nothing short of treason.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm: Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link? if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

How much?

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 10:40am: John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am: The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn What a good link - & the problem is well explained. maybe all the signatories will agree to have their taxes increased significantly to pay for it. I bet that gets them off it. You can't substantiate your assertion that fibre to the premises will be "significantly" more expensive, can you? Given that bandwidth demand is forecast to exceed 1Gb/s by 2020. The nodes will need to be scrapped before most of them are even installed.  Will short-term parsimony prove wasteful in the longer term? If so, are you just putting off your "significant" tax increase? Of course, the fertiliser won't impact the ventilator until after the next election, which is probably the plan. longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm: Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link? if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high. Turnbull says $5,000, but that's based on an idealised assessment. Come to think of it, the whole plan is based on an idealised assessment of the condition of Telstra's customer access network (the wires into premises). From a national perspective, even the unrealistically idealised $5,000 is an unjustified extra expense. Multiplied by the millions of premises in Australia, the Coalition's plan is unaffordable. Abandoning fibre to the premises is nothing short of treason.

what a load of rubbish.  bandwidth demand to increase by two orders of magnitude in just 7 years??  and we don't even use the current bandwith anyhow?

Couldn't be a desperate ploy by a CEO could it?  And lets assume that rate continues... where is the NBNs 100Gbps plane for 2027 and the 10Tbps plan for 2034?

it is idiotic to swallow that nonsense.  someone thinks Moores law is never-ending.  Try telling that to Intel.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm: Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link? if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high. How much?

more than you would ever justify to download your porn and torrents.  but if you were a high data need database developer then it would be very cheap.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

... what a load of rubbish.  ...

You pretend to know better than a bloke running a major network project. God complex niggling you again?

So what's your answer to the question which has repeatedly sent you scurrying away?

What will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 3:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm: Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link? if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high. How much? more than you would ever justify to download your porn and torrents.  but if you were a high data need database developer then it would be very cheap.

I've never watched porn & I've never used torrents.

Would you stop making up stories about other posters.


How much?

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 6:15pm: ... what a load of rubbish.  ... You pretend to know better than a bloke running a major network project. God complex niggling you again? So what's your answer to the question which has repeatedly sent you scurrying away? What will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth?

an intelligent and honest citizenry

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 3:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm: Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link? if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high. How much? more than you would ever justify to download your porn and torrents.  but if you were a high data need database developer then it would be very cheap. I've never watched porn & I've never used torrents. Would you stop making up stories about other posters. How much?

You have never watched porn and yet your favourite TV series is Kung Fu