The Test

In my experience with this test on forum boards, the Leftwingers are always the ones who won't show their results.

This is because it embarrasses them to see that their results are the same as those they've been abusing as 'rightwing fascists'.

Here's mine...

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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

The Test In my experience with this test on forum boards, the Leftwingers are always the ones who won't show their results. This is because it embarrasses them to see that their results are the same as those they've been abusing as 'rightwing fascists'.

Well, here's a new experience for you, Herb...

I have nothing to hide, and nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about.

Wonder if anyone else (right or left) will post theirs.

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These tests are not really indicative. It has me as a right-wing Authoritatian.

matty wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

These tests are not really indicative. It has me as a right-wing Authoritatian.

You are, that'd be why.

wow not this again

Kat wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

matty wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:53pm: These tests are not really indicative. It has me as a right-wing Authoritatian. You are, that'd be why.

Didn't you used to go on about not being a lefty, and claim to be from the centre?

Make of that what you will.

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matty wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:55pm: matty wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:53pm: These tests are not really indicative. It has me as a right-wing Authoritatian. You are, that'd be why. Didn't you used to go on about not being a lefty, and claim to be from the centre?

Yep.

Center-left. Not extreme, like the greens or the Communists.

And have even been known to vote for moderate Coalitions.

Never denied it.

Just said I didn't support Rudd (or Gillard, I didn't vote Labor in 2010).

You can be left-leaning, but not be a Rudd supporter.

That's what the righties here have consistently failed to grasp.

Nor the fact that it is this Coalition that I dislike, not all Coalitions per se.

Here you go Herb ... just for you

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DILLIGAS!

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.85

From the reactions I sometimes get from my posts, it would appear that some here consider me to be a cross between Ghengis Khan, Martin Bryant, Forrest Gump and Sarah Palin.

I'm just a native wombat who eats roots, shoots and leaves (with apologies to Lynne Truss).  8-)

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Center-left. Not extreme, like the greens or the Communists.

...or like Life_goes_on.

How do I get my graph to appear?

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

How do I get my graph to appear?

right click on it and save image to desk top then attach via the attachments below text box


JC Denton wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

wow not this again

Yeah oldie but a goodie Imp


Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

the Leftwingers are always the ones who won't show their results.

Seems the opposite is true for this board ;)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 9:09pm: How do I get my graph to appear? right click on it and save image to desk top then attach via the attachments below text box JC Denton wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:55pm: wow not this again Yeah oldie but a goodie Imp Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:37pm: the Leftwingers are always the ones who won't show their results. Seems the opposite is true for this board ;)

thanks .... Amazing, I hadn't even noticed that box before

My chart -
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.00&soc=-3.13

And, for interest, the results of a few other "notables" -
http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.png

I'm impressed with you lot.

Your honesty is very commendable. I congratulate you one and all.

Lionel ... you've made the point for me with your results. As someone who is seemingly an ogre of the Right, your left-leaning credential as per the test results would suggest otherwise.

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Him being a self-confessed anarchist, I'm looking forward to seeing Grey's results ... I think the big red dot might be nestled comfortably tight up against the bottom lefthand corner.  ;D

And Peter-the-Toilet-Lurker ... should be interesting.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/ruffdiamond015/Herbert_zpsfe48f328.png

I demand a re-count.

There's no way I'm that far left.  :-[

[quote author=Herbert link=1378723024/17#17 date=1378771595]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/ruffdiamond015/Herbert_zpsfe48f328.png

I demand a re-count.

There's no way I'm that far left.  :-[/quote]

The following is my result, on the recent ABC Vote Compass site.
I suppose that goes to show that outcomes will change, depending on inputs of the day!
http://www.abc.net.au/votecompass/?hash=9994d3267993125d5135cbe2017402258e2bab170da1376143499

Economic Left/Right: 2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21

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And on Vote Compass.

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Havent done this for a while.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

Havent done this for a while.

smacking Nazi

BWAHAHAHAHAHA ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nazis are over the other side to me man.

I just believe in some order.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

Havent done this for a while.

You're up there with Jacob Zuma .... no wonder SA is stuffed.

C'est moi.


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/moi_zpsae63c526.png

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I've come to the conclusion that these tests are bullsh*t.

The questions are loaded in such a way as to place you in the Leftwing section of the graph.

And then there are all those questions they don't ask that would move you further to the right.

It's a party game, that's all. Not to be taken as a genuine account of where you are politically.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

C'est moi. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/moi_zpsae63c526.png ********* I've come to the conclusion that these tests are bullsh*t. The questions are loaded in such a way as to place you in the Leftwing section of the graph. And then there are all those questions that they don't ask ...

you started this thread because of some stupid belief that the 'lefties' were lying or weren't serious (guessing here, no one knows why you do what you do) , and even accused them of hiding their results, and then when they show don't show your desired conclusion, the test is bullsh1t ....  ;D ;D :D :D :D

maybe it's you that is bullsh1t.

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

... because of some stupid belief ... maybe it's you that is bullsh1t.

You've just proved my point!!

Such violent hostility from you must place you in the Far Right of the graph instead of where the lambs and sheep are in the Left quarter.

Thanks for proving my point.

You've proved yourself to be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/wolf_zpsb965d668.png

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Such violent hostility from you must place you in the Far Right of the graph instead of where the lambs and sheep are in the Left quarter.

Why do you assume those that champion equality & social justice are not capable of defending themselves?

Why do you assume that those that seek consensus & harmony automatically believe & accept bullsh!t?

I'm down on the left but if I think your a dickhead I'll bloody well tell you, truth has no political leaning.

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

My chart - http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.00&soc=-3.13 And, for interest, the results of a few other "notables" - http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.png

There is something wrong with that diagram. What is Barack Obama doing on the right and Robert Mugabe on the left? I also can't believe Obama is in the same quadrant as Hu Jintao. :( >:(

Because Mugabe is not right wing.

Like most black African despots, Mugabe follows a brand of Marxist Leninist theory.

In fact Marxism and Socialism is responsible in large part for Africa being the utter basket case that it is.

Mnemonic wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 9:55pm: My chart - http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.00&soc=-3.13 And, for interest, the results of a few other "notables" - http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.png There is something wrong with that diagram. What is Barack Obama doing on the right and Robert Mugabe on the left? I also can't believe Obama is in the same quadrant as Hu Jintao. :( >:(

Correct!

It's utterly ridiculous for them to put UK prime minister David Cameron and Germany's Angela Merkel up there in the Hard Right Conservative quadrant.

These two preside over immigration programs that continue to import tens of thousands of Muslims each year into their country.

That sort of self-destructive lunacy belongs in the Far Left panels.

And what the hell is the Dalai Lama and Mandela doing being slotted in as Leftwing libertarians? Crazy stuff!

The Dalai Lama is a born-to-rule elite by ancient tradition, and Mandela was an active terrorist who organised bombings.

And then they've put Julia Gillard up there with the fascists!  ;D Too silly to comment upon.

I'm deleting this thread as a fraudulent farce.

When freediver returns from the Fish Market he will be assisting me in finding the button to wipe out this unfortunate thread.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:16pm: perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 9:55pm: My chart - http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.00&soc=-3.13 And, for interest, the results of a few other "notables" - http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.png There is something wrong with that diagram. What is Barack Obama doing on the right and Robert Mugabe on the left? I also can't believe Obama is in the same quadrant as Hu Jintao. :( >:( Correct! It's utterly ridiculous for them to put UK prime minister David Cameron and Germany's Angela Merkel up there in the Hard Right Conservative quadrant. These two preside over immigration programs that continue to import tens of thousands of Muslims each year into their country. That sort of self-destructive lunacy belongs in the Far Left panels. And what the hell is the Dalai Lama and Mandela doing being slotted in as Leftwing libertarians? Crazy stuff! The Dalai Lama is a born-to-rule elite by ancient tradition, and Mandela was an active terrorist who organised bombings. And then they've put Julia Gillard up there with the fascists!  ;D Too silly to comment upon. I'm deleting this thread as a fraudulent farce. When freediver returns from the Fish Market he will be assisting me in finding the button to wipe out this unfortunate thread.  8-)

1) There are certainly problems/issues with this sort of slotting into various categories, depending on subjective questions & subjective answers!

2) That said, you did raise it & you did seem to be having fun, until some issues arose, which may not have fitted into your thinking? 

3) A suggestion - WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT WE ASK FOR, BECAUSE WE JUST MAY GET IT & THEN DISCOVER IT WASN'T QUITE WHAT WE WERE THINKING!

Finally, this thread shouldn't be deleted, just because you disagree with some of its outcomes, as that would mean all the other members who contributed, had simply wasted their time and time is not a commodity that any of us should waste, as their isn't enough of it, to simply throw away.
Btw, if threads were deleted simply because someone didn't like the outcome/s, then very few threads would survive, for very long!

Cameron is probably the least Conservative leader of the Conservative party in decades.

Hence why they struggle to win my support these days.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

When freediver returns from the Fish Market he will be assisting me in finding the button to wipe out this unfortunate thread.

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/cm/menshealthuk/images/zD/05-cryingman-290212-de.jpg

Maybe.

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perceptions_now wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Finally, this thread shouldn't be deleted, just because you disagree with some of its outcomes, ...

I was being ironic (tongue-in-cheek).

I must try to be a little more obvious in future.

You'll notice that John took me seriously too.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:26pm: Finally, this thread shouldn't be deleted, just because you disagree with some of its outcomes, ... I was being ironic (tongue-in-cheek). I must try to be a little more obvious in future. You'll notice that John took me seriously too.

I tend to notice when people cry.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Cameron is probably the least Conservative leader of the Conservative party in decades.

Cameron looks like a racecourse bookie ... one of the less honest ones.

We need academics with monumental IQs being given the job of national leadership.

What we've seen so far is a conga-line of suckhole mediocrities who are more suited to running a Supermarket than a nation.

Professor Enoch Powell was the last of the intelligentsia to grace the seats of parliament in the UK.

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:17pm: perceptions_now wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:26pm: Finally, this thread shouldn't be deleted, just because you disagree with some of its outcomes, ... I was being ironic (tongue-in-cheek). I must try to be a little more obvious in future. You'll notice that John took me seriously too. I tend to notice when people cry.

Being Italian you probably notice a lot of plaster-of-Paris figurines of the Virgin Mary crying too, don't you?  ;D ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Nazis are over the other side to me man. I just believe in some order.

Nope. Nazism is not communism. Communism is on the left. Nazism is on the right.

The big surprise to me is that you're not a libertarian. Most people in the West are libertarians. I just wonder how you ended up with such "authoritarian" views. It is right that you belong in the same hemisphere as Hu Jintao.


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Because Mugabe is not right wing. Like most black African despots, Mugabe follows a brand of Marxist Leninist theory. In fact Marxism and Socialism is responsible in large part for Africa being the utter basket case that it is.

Mugabe is a nationalist, so he can't be left-wing. He has a racist attitude toward white people. He is not in favour of human racial equality. That makes him a "Nazi" and puts him on the right.

He even said once that he was "Hitler tenfold."

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/1425727/Hitler-Mugabe-launches-revenge-terror-attacks.html


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President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe has compared himself to Adolf Hitler. At the state funeral of one of his cabinet ministers, Mr Mugabe said: "I am still the Hitler of the time. This Hitler has only one objective, justice for his own people, sovereignty for his people, recognition of the independence of his people, and their right to their resources. "If that is Hitler, then let me be a Hitler tenfold. Ten times, that is what we stand for."

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Mugabe is a nationalist, so he can't be left-wing.

Of course you can have left-wing nationalists - Stalin, Gandhi, Mandella etc.

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:46pm:

Of course you can have left-wing nationalists - Stalin, Gandhi, Mandella etc.

I think the Stalinist regime was really a form of Nazism in disguise. :D

Mnemonic wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:46pm: Of course you can have left-wing nationalists - Stalin, Gandhi, Mandella etc. I think the Stalinist regime was really a form of Nazism in disguise. :D

Their levels of authoritarianism could be compared. Economically they were very different. Hitler allowed - even supported - free enterprise. He didn't Nationalise any business. Competition was encouraged. Even benefits for the people were allocated using a different principle in that you had to be seen to be productive before you got anything back - not the state supported you in return for work model the Soviets used.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

These two preside over immigration programs that continue to import tens of thousands of Muslims each year into their country.

This is not a social idea, its an economic reality.

To maintain our consumerist society we need to consume, there is only so much stuff a person can have/afford.

They bring in the immigrants not out of the goodness of their heart but to prop up the economy.

Even if or even better they stay on social service money, as we know the poorer you are the more of your money goes back into the everyday economy.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 2:17pm: perceptions_now wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:26pm: Finally, this thread shouldn't be deleted, just because you disagree with some of its outcomes, ... I was being ironic (tongue-in-cheek). I must try to be a little more obvious in future. You'll notice that John took me seriously too. I tend to notice when people cry. Being Italian you probably notice a lot of plaster-of-Paris figurines of the Virgin Mary crying too, don't you?  ;D ;D

yeah, heaps .....

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Their levels of authoritarianism could be compared. Economically they were very different. Hitler allowed - even supported - free enterprise. He didn't Nationalise any business. Competition was encouraged. Even benefits for the people were allocated using a different principle in that you had to be seen to be productive before you got anything back - not the state supported you in return for work model the Soviets used.

Well, when I said that it wasn't because I didn't think the Stalinist regime was "socialist." It was just that even if it was, the nationalism would have made it right-wing -- as in "nationalist socialism."

The other thing was that the Stalinist regime went against the "Marxist" socialist concept of workers owning the means of production. They took farms away from farmers. They "nationalised" the farms and factories. That probably meant the farms and factories were used to sustain the military more than the common people. The Soviets weren't content to just "be," they wanted to expand militarily. That was a very right-wing thing to do.

The desire for a strong military is a right-wing attitude. The Soviets made nuclear weapons. They got involved in a Cold War with the USA. They occupied Eastern Europe and invaded Afghanistan. They were militarily aggressive.

My Vote compass result...

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Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:44pm: These two preside over immigration programs that continue to import tens of thousands of Muslims each year into their country. This is not a social idea, its an economic reality.

From an industry point of view ~ yes.

But from the point of view of the electorate, the government also had a duty-of-care to ensure that this immigration influx was composed of cultures, religions, and races that were compatible with the social heritage and identity of the British host people.

The Labour party under Blair has since been exposed as having deliberately flooded the UK with immigrants of diverse cultural background in order to overwhelm the local Brits.

I am bug-eyed with utter amazement that Tony Blair and those others responsible for this perfidy have not been dragged from their hiding places to be lynched in the local parks. I go to my grave utterly baffled by this inertia.

Horse-whipping is too good for those traitors who secretly conspired to bury the native Brit under sedimentary layers of incompatible foreigners.


Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

To maintain our consumerist society we need to consume, there is only so much stuff a person can have/afford.

Only just recently the House of Lords released a research paper that showed that mass-immigration had done bugger-all for the betterment of the native Brit.


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In 2008 the report of the Economic Affairs Committee of the House of Lords concluded (Para. 62) (Click here): “The overall conclusion from existing evidence is that immigration has very small impacts on GDP per capita, whether these impacts are positive or negative. This conclusion is in line with findings of studies of the economic impacts of immigration in other countries including the US.”

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The World Bank produces figures which track migration in terms of the amount of remittances posted by migrants from host countries to countries of origin. The latest officially recorded remittance flows to developing countries reached $316 billion in 2009 ...

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This financial outflow to Turkey from second and third generation German-Turks pissed off Angela Merkel no end. She even told them to go home.

And then .... just months after she had told them to make up their mind if they're Turks or Germans ~~ the Turkish Prime Minister visited Germany and made a speech in which he told the local Turks to ...


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"Never forget you are Turks first, and German second"

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;D

How "inyaface, Merkel!" is that?