poll added anon.

not before rudd does........the party is still shackled and split...krudd being the worst of the worst.. but shorten not far behind.. and a coward at that

anon is up

Why?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:36pm:

poll added anon.

Sprintcyclist

Is that what Gillard said, whatever what is was she said ?

Bill Shorten is a waste of space.

red baron wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Bill Shorten is a waste of space.

red baron

Maybe he doesn't know how to resign, he seems clueless about everything else.

Shorten is a wanker, but If all the wankers resigned the parliament would be bare, particularly BO the conservative side.

John Howard didn't resign - there will never ever be a better reason.

No.

They should ALL resign. Shut down his entire corrupt incompetent party & start anew with fresh blood & ideas. Only then might there be some hope for them. They still haven't put aside the personal bickering long enough to elect a new leader FGS so what have they learned from the last few days? Obviously nothing!  >:(

Uncle John

Would anyone notice if he resigned ?

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 6:20pm: Bill Shorten is a waste of space. red baron Maybe he doesn't know how to resign, he seems clueless about everything else.

he does doesnt he.. he looks like he is in a fog......

he must be good in bed thats all I can say...because he looks like he couldnt find the front door to be honest..yet he knows how to get them preggers.... ::) ::) ::)

maybe he googles it lololololol...

seriously the labs have gotta be desperate.. this time REALLY desperate...

maybe this is what krudd is waiting for.. he knows they havent got ANYONE.....

they all left didnt they??????... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Why should Shorten resign?

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Uncle John Would anyone notice if he resigned ?

Nope. Well maybe with the exception of a few radio talk show hosts.  ::)

MOTR wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:15pm:

hy should Shorten resign

wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:08pm: Uncle John Would anyone notice if he resigned ? Nope. Well maybe with the exception of a few radio talk show hosts.  ::)

MOTR MIGHT... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D

MOTR wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:15pm:

Why should Shorten resign?

Glad that it isn't just me, thought I was catching the conservative disease.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:15pm: Why should Shorten resign? Glad that it isn't just me, thought I was catching the conservative disease.

hahahahahahahahahahaha..


oops...


DIAZ ANYONE>>. ;D ;D ;D

wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:08pm: Uncle John Would anyone notice if he resigned ? Nope. Well maybe with the exception of a few radio talk show hosts.  ::)

Uncle John

Yes and some sky news Journo's looking for their next youtube hit using the moron.

But as I said before, the ALP could put up the B1 and B2 to lead the party. I could not care less, its the party that needs to calibrate itself to the electorate.

I remember one place I left back in the 90's they called me 2 months later with a big offer for me to come back.

I laugh at it as the main reason I left was a personality conflict with a grub, the grub was still there and after 2 months 2 people had already come and gone.

In all honesty you have to be a dead brained moron to want to lead the ALP right now, maybe that makes Shorten the best candidate.

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:16pm: RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:08pm: Uncle John Would anyone notice if he resigned ? Nope. Well maybe with the exception of a few radio talk show hosts.  ::) Uncle John Yes and some sky news Journo's looking for their next youtube hit using the moron. But as I said before, the ALP could put up the B1 and B2 to lead the party. I could not care less, its the party that needs to calibrate itself to the electorate. I remember one place I left back in the 90's they called me 2 months later with a big offer for me to come back. I laugh at it as the main reason I left was a personality conflict with a grub, the grub was still there and after 2 months 2 people had already come and gone. In all honesty you have to be a dead brained moron to want to lead the ALP right now, maybe that makes Shorten the best candidate.

But as I said before, the ALP could put up the B1 and B2 to lead the party

If I go to Tony's and Joe's homes do you think they will give me the costumes ???

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:22pm: wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:16pm: RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:08pm: Uncle John Would anyone notice if he resigned ? Nope. Well maybe with the exception of a few radio talk show hosts.  ::) Uncle John Yes and some sky news Journo's looking for their next youtube hit using the moron. But as I said before, the ALP could put up the B1 and B2 to lead the party. I could not care less, its the party that needs to calibrate itself to the electorate. I remember one place I left back in the 90's they called me 2 months later with a big offer for me to come back. I laugh at it as the main reason I left was a personality conflict with a grub, the grub was still there and after 2 months 2 people had already come and gone. In all honesty you have to be a dead brained moron to want to lead the ALP right now, maybe that makes Shorten the best candidate. But as I said before, the ALP could put up the B1 and B2 to lead the party If I go to Tony's and Joe's homes do you think they will give me the costumes ???

Maybe you should lead the ALP, you seem to qualify, no idea why you want to dress up as Tone and Joe.

Yes, and he is unfit to lead the Labor party, let alone ever be PM. The man effectively knifed two sitting PMs in a row, and has no integrity, respectability or credibility. At least Swan, Emerson, Garrett and co stuck by Gillard until the end.

skippy. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:36pm:

Shorten is a wanker, but If all the wankers resigned the parliament would be bare, particularly BO the conservative side.

Now that, IS A TRUE STATEMENT!

Btw Sprinty, it may assist your thread, IF you said WHY Shorten should go?

matty wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

Yes, and he is unfit to lead the Labor party, let alone ever be PM. The man effectively knifed two sitting PMs in a row, and has no integrity, respectability or credibility. At least Swan, Emerson, Garrett and co stuck by Gillard until the end.

matty

I think he is fit to lead the current ALP (that is a very low bar) but your right, the goose is not fit to be PM, neither is the ALP fit to govern...... that goes back to about 1996 or earlier if you ask me.

matty wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

Yes, and he is unfit to lead the Labor party, let alone ever be PM. The man effectively knifed two sitting PMs in a row, and has no integrity, respectability or credibility. At least Swan, Emerson, Garrett and co stuck by Gillard until the end.

Yet you can support Abbott the man who believes in nothing and everything.

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 6:36pm: Shorten is a wanker, but If all the wankers resigned the parliament would be bare, particularly BO the conservative side. Now that, IS A TRUE STATEMENT! Btw Sprinty, it may assist your thread, IF you said WHY Shorten should go?

As matty said
Quote:

Yes, and he is unfit to lead the Labor party, let alone ever be PM. The man effectively knifed two sitting PMs in a row, and has no integrity, respectability or credibility. At least Swan, Emerson, Garrett and co stuck by Gillard until the end.

he was behind the knifing of rudd.
then behind gillards beheading to reinstall rudd

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:32pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:11pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 6:36pm: Shorten is a wanker, but If all the wankers resigned the parliament would be bare, particularly BO the conservative side. Now that, IS A TRUE STATEMENT! Btw Sprinty, it may assist your thread, IF you said WHY Shorten should go? As matty said Quote: Yes, and he is unfit to lead the Labor party, let alone ever be PM. The man effectively knifed two sitting PMs in a row, and has no integrity, respectability or credibility. At least Swan, Emerson, Garrett and co stuck by Gillard until the end. he was behind the knifing of rudd. then behind gillards beheading to reinstall rudd

That's  just normal Politics Sprinty!

BUT, it's not what we need, from any Politician, Labor &/or Liberal!

The question is, how do we get rid of that sort of thinking?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:32pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:11pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 6:36pm: Shorten is a wanker, but If all the wankers resigned the parliament would be bare, particularly BO the conservative side. Now that, IS A TRUE STATEMENT! Btw Sprinty, it may assist your thread, IF you said WHY Shorten should go? As matty said Quote: Yes, and he is unfit to lead the Labor party, let alone ever be PM. The man effectively knifed two sitting PMs in a row, and has no integrity, respectability or credibility. At least Swan, Emerson, Garrett and co stuck by Gillard until the end. he was behind the knifing of rudd. then behind gillards beheading to reinstall rudd

Political nous aside, Gillard was a far better leader than Rudd. Can't blame Shorten for being in the Gillard camp. At the end Gillard had become unelectable and no one was listening. Rudd was a potential short circuit that might have switched the spotlight back onto Abbott. We'll never really know how many Labor seats Rudd's return was able to save. Again, it's hard to blame Shorten for taking action rather than choosing to let things slide out of control.

The Coalition would love nothing more for political discourse to be stuck on Shorten, his pies and his pesonal life. Makes it so much easier to avoid proper scrutiny.

MOTR

Are you for real ?

Gillard was the worse leader the ALP ever had by every measure and for an ALP person that is quite an achievement.

I think Shorten could be worse the signs are there.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

matty wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:05pm: Yes, and he is unfit to lead the Labor party, let alone ever be PM. The man effectively knifed two sitting PMs in a row, and has no integrity, respectability or credibility. At least Swan, Emerson, Garrett and co stuck by Gillard until the end. Yet you can support Abbott the man who believes in nothing and everything.

you will find out shortly....shouldnt you be worried about your own empire???? thats burning down... ::) ::) ::)

you doing a gillard you are watching the wrong team... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bill..."DIAZ">>>Shorten... ::) ::)


loll perfect.

perceptions_now

There is one sure way to reduce this kind of thinking, get rid of the ALP.

Abbott took over from Turnbull who had enough time to compete against Rudd and he failed. Looked fair to me.

Rudd was elected and was polling OK but the polls were sliding and the ALP knifed him.
Rudd did not even compete which showed him to be a Coward then.

Then there was a game of ducks and drakes played by more then just Rudd.

I am sure the Libs play games but they don't make anywhere near the headlines the ALP does, they also seem a far more democratic party, uniting behind there leader.

And which party had to change their rules re leadership and why ?

No political party is perfect and in general I think our politics are better then what we see in the UK where the ALP tried to import their class warfare strategy from or the US where everything is over the top or many other countries where guns determines who governs, so bitching about our relatively stable government because we let a few morons run the country is a bit rich .... the morons are now out of the picture mostly.

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:56am:

MOTR Are you for real ? Gillard was the worse leader the ALP ever had by every measure and for an ALP person that is quite an achievement. I think Shorten could be worse the signs are there.

Rudd was the worst ever. Then it was Gillard is worse than Rudd, but Rudd2 is worse than Gillard, now Shorten is worse than Rudd2 and no doubt Shorten+1 will be worse than Shorten. And so on it goes in the echo chamber.

Out here where you're allowed to think for yourself some of us are quite proud of Gillard's achievements.

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

perceptions_now There is one sure way to reduce this kind of thinking, get rid of the ALP. Abbott took over from Turnbull who had enough time to compete against Rudd and he failed. Looked fair to me. Rudd was elected and was polling OK but the polls were sliding and the ALP knifed him. Rudd did not even compete which showed him to be a Coward then. Then there was a game of ducks and drakes played by more then just Rudd. I am sure the Libs play games but they don't make anywhere near the headlines the ALP does, they also seem a far more democratic party, uniting behind there leader. And which party had to change their rules re leadership and why ? No political party is perfect and in general I think our politics are better then what we see in the UK where the ALP tried to import their class warfare strategy from or the US where everything is over the top or many other countries where guns determines who governs, so bitching about our relatively stable government because we let a few morons run the country is a bit rich .... the morons are now out of the picture mostly.

the way I see it fred the libs play above the belt... the left go below...just look at every comment or thread that adelcrow is on.. filthy from beginning to end...and not one comment from a lefty to tell him he is disgusting...its the dregs it really is.. any wonder have almost no respect for a lefty..

MOTR

When have you ever thought let alone for yourself.

The ALP rot peaked under Gillard, Rudd 2.0 was a very short period of incompetent campaigning but the polls don't lie Rudd did reverse the slid some what at least by about 2% over Gillard and for the duration of the Rudd 2.0 the ALP appeared more united then under Gillard. Most of the damage to the ALP occurred under Gillard's inept reign.

Gillard should go back to setting up dodgy slush funds for her union mates to buy houses with, its what she does best.

MOTR wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 6:56am: MOTR Are you for real ? Gillard was the worse leader the ALP ever had by every measure and for an ALP person that is quite an achievement. I think Shorten could be worse the signs are there. Rudd was the worst ever. Then it was Gillard is worse than Rudd, but Rudd2 is worse than Gillard, now Shorten is worse than Rudd2 and no doubt Shorten+1 will be worse than Shorten. And so on it goes in the echo chamber. Out here where you're allowed to think for yourself some of us are quite proud of Gillard's achievements.

and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on...

then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway...

she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work..

she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse..

that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR.

Quote:

and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on... then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway... she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work.. she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse.. that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR.

cods

Yes Hawke was quick to point out the stupidity of Gillard's strategy to regard Abbott with contempt.

In rugby you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt but someone who is better then you ?
That is the dumbest idea ever.

Gillard failed the most in ad-hoc public appearances and her Rooty Hill exercise was a big joke, she went out of her way to avoid anyone in public.

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:32am:

Quote: and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on... then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway... she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work.. she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse.. that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR. cods Yes Hawke was quick to point out the stupidity of Gillard's strategy to regard Abbott with contempt. In rugby you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt but someone who is better then you ? That is the dumbest idea ever. Gillard failed the most in ad-hoc public appearances and her Rooty Hill exercise was a big joke, she went out of her way to avoid anyone in public.

exactly what I pointed out to MOTR...it was broadcast far and wide she was going...and then.... and then....nothing until the day she left..

and that seemed to me.. to tell us the whole sorry story of her PMinstership...out of touch.

the thing is of course... krudds second act has made her look bloody good.. ;D ;D

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:32am:

Quote: and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on... then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway... she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work.. she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse.. that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR. cods Yes Hawke was quick to point out the stupidity of Gillard's strategy to regard Abbott with contempt. In rugby you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt but someone who is better then you ? That is the dumbest idea ever. Gillard failed the most in ad-hoc public appearances and her Rooty Hill exercise was a big joke, she went out of her way to avoid anyone in public.

fred -
Quote:

......you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt ........

My experience has been if I underestimate any opposition I have a real problem.
When my opponents underestimate me it steels my resolve to do well. It's an insult.

If anyone 'falls behind the pace' it's very hard work to catch up.

Putting shorten in will be great for Tony Abbot.

cods

Gillard is a great example of putting ideology ahead of competence.

There are many roles in politics that don't require you to front up in public, Gillard should of either not entered the game at all or taken a more back room role.

It is very poor judgement on the ALP's part to let her be an MP let alone the leader and PM by default through knifing Rudd.

Sprintcyclist

Its a moot point Abbott by any measure was a seasoned MP and a very effective attack dog under Howard, what on earth made the ALP think he would be a push over ?

I don't know if it was deliberate but Abbott made a brilliant decoy for the ALP attack which ignored the rest of the Liberal party.

No, he should commit harikari and put us all out of our misery.