Abbott has stated that he won't be talking to the media unless he has something to say.

This suggests that he is evading scrutiny. His biggest weakness is an inability to answer unscripted questions. He seems to be seeking to avoid this sort of situation.

This will backfire. If Abbott makes a mistake, as he inevitably will sooner or later, going to ground will not be perceived well by the media or public. It is why the former Victorian Premier Baillieu's approval crashed in Victoria and the ALP in Victoria gained 10 points on the opinion polls inside a year. It is why Kennett lost office in Victoria in 1999.

I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable.

This is very thin gruel even for a Bum (you made a typo with your login name, pal).

Abbott is a douchebag but he does deserve a grace period. I'm also enjoying not seeing a pm on the news all the time.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

Abbott has stated that he won't be talking to the media unless he has something to say. This suggests that he is evading scrutiny. His biggest weakness is an inability to answer unscripted questions. He seems to be seeking to avoid this sort of situation. This will backfire. If Abbott makes a mistake, as he inevitably will sooner or later, going to ground will not be perceived well by the media or public. It is why the former Victorian Premier Baillieu's approval crashed in Victoria and the ALP in Victoria gained 10 points on the opinion polls inside a year. It is why Kennett lost office in Victoria in 1999. I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable.

And it's up to the Opposition party to hold him to account in Parliament just as Abbott has been doing for years now.
That's their job.
The medias job is to report the news, not make it.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 8:18pm: Abbott has stated that he won't be talking to the media unless he has something to say. This suggests that he is evading scrutiny. His biggest weakness is an inability to answer unscripted questions. He seems to be seeking to avoid this sort of situation. This will backfire. If Abbott makes a mistake, as he inevitably will sooner or later, going to ground will not be perceived well by the media or public. It is why the former Victorian Premier Baillieu's approval crashed in Victoria and the ALP in Victoria gained 10 points on the opinion polls inside a year. It is why Kennett lost office in Victoria in 1999. I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable. And it's up to the Opposition party to hold him to account in Parliament just as Abbott has been doing for years now. That's their job. The medias job is to report the news, not make it.

When did you have this sudden revelation?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 8:18pm: Abbott has stated that he won't be talking to the media unless he has something to say. This suggests that he is evading scrutiny. His biggest weakness is an inability to answer unscripted questions. He seems to be seeking to avoid this sort of situation. This will backfire. If Abbott makes a mistake, as he inevitably will sooner or later, going to ground will not be perceived well by the media or public. It is why the former Victorian Premier Baillieu's approval crashed in Victoria and the ALP in Victoria gained 10 points on the opinion polls inside a year. It is why Kennett lost office in Victoria in 1999. I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable. And it's up to the Opposition party to hold him to account in Parliament just as Abbott has been doing for years now. That's their job. The medias job is to report the news, not make it.

now it's an issue? Where have you been hiding the last 3 years?  :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:43pm:

This is very thin gruel even for a Bum (you made a typo with your login name, pal).

Bum! Oh, old boy, you’ll really have to bend over and take one for Mother.

Bum has my vote as best poster on politics on this board - hands down.

Your own contributions are as consistently as generous and insightful as your post below.

But then, you studied stool pathology at the University of Bologney, so you’re clearly above Australian political discussion.

Bum!

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

Abbott has stated that he won't be talking to the media unless he has something to say. This suggests that he is evading scrutiny. His biggest weakness is an inability to answer unscripted questions. He seems to be seeking to avoid this sort of situation. This will backfire. If Abbott makes a mistake, as he inevitably will sooner or later, going to ground will not be perceived well by the media or public. It is why the former Victorian Premier Baillieu's approval crashed in Victoria and the ALP in Victoria gained 10 points on the opinion polls inside a year. It is why Kennett lost office in Victoria in 1999. I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable.

He didn't say he was gonna be invisible.  Breaking the 'look at me...look at me' must make an announcement because we need to be infront of the media every hour on the hour nonsense that Krudd and Dullard stupidly substituted for good government.

Seems to have tied your knickers up in knots already and its only day 1.... ;D ;D

Yep...Australia is going to have a secret govt not unlike the hardline dictatorships of the past.
Oh well voters...you were warned about the mad monk before you voted and now its to late.
I wonder how long it will be before the brown shirts knock on the door of anyone who dares question this govt?

Why go people want their pm on the news cycle 24/7. Take it as a chance to have a break from it. Take the dogs for a walk, call the family.

I don't know about you guys but I'm thankful for it.

For the dummies, Abbott is not going to go out to the media and just talk because he needs votes. Thats what election campaigns are for or for a labor government who loves their own voice and thinks everyone else does too.

No, he will go to thje media if he feels the Australian people want to know something or feels they need to know something.

Thank god the adults are back in chanrge.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Oh well voters...you were warned about the mad monk before you voted and now its to late.

Exactly. Notice how Abbott keeps reinforcing his intention to "govern in the interest of all Australians"? How he keeps saying he won’t let us down, how he’s there for all, including those who didn’t vote for him?

How can you trust someone who’s constantly trying to prove they’re not such a bad guy?

Australians were warned, and Abbott knows how easily they can turn.

He’s going to circle the noose slowly, and with stealth. As Abbott says, slow and steady wins the race.

Let’s just pray he uses enough lube to do the job.

Abbott is not really the Prime Minister

Australia will be Prime Minister-less over the next 3 years

Think of Tony Abbott as a CEO

Remember what he said on election night - Australia is under new management, we are now open for business

I wonder what bonuses Abbott will be handing himself and his mignons?

(more like Abbott will do a Costello, and cash in after politics with a corrupt banking cartel like Goldman Sachs)

Try telling Rupert that the media shouldn't make the news.......then run very fast!

Verge wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Why go people want their pm on the news cycle 24/7. Take it as a chance to have a break from it. Take the dogs for a walk, call the family. I don't know about you guys but I'm thankful for it.

You don't know this.

Abbott is well known for frequent media stunts. This is someone that spends a lot of taxpayers' money on charter flights and other extravagant expenditure just so there's a stunt du jour for media consumption. He spends more on charter flights alone per year than the majority of Australians earn. And you think he's suddenly going to stop the stunts now he's the Prime Minister?

Abbott only wants to talk to the media when he wants to talk to them. Abbott doesn't want to talk to the media when they want to talk to him. This is a miscalculation. It will create a gap in the news coverage that the Opposition will be only too happy to fill.

There's signs that this government is going to be much more secretive than we are used to. This is one. Here is another: Immigration Minister Morrison has indicated that he's not going to tell the media anymore - and by extension, us - if an asylum seeker boat arrives. Are these just isolated examples, or is this a general pattern?

Rider wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

He didn't say he was gonna be invisible.  Breaking the 'look at me...look at me' must make an announcement because we need to be infront of the media every hour on the hour nonsense that Krudd and Dullard stupidly substituted for good government. Seems to have tied your knickers up in knots already and its only day 1.... ;D ;D

Abbott is well known for "look at me...look at me" stunts, all carefully stage-managed by his faceless minders and paid for by taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I have seen no indication that he's going to stop the stunts now that he's the PM.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Rider wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 9:16pm: He didn't say he was gonna be invisible.  Breaking the 'look at me...look at me' must make an announcement because we need to be infront of the media every hour on the hour nonsense that Krudd and Dullard stupidly substituted for good government. Seems to have tied your knickers up in knots already and its only day 1.... ;D ;D Abbott is well known for "look at me...look at me" stunts, all carefully stage-managed by his faceless minders and paid for by taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I have seen no indication that he's going to stop the stunts now that he's the PM.

That comment and frankly this whole thread has whiney boy written all over it.

I am sure we will hear from you when it happens, but no, we have to hear from you with the 'but but but its gonna happen. Mark my words, its gonna happen'. So it should happen less then and you should be happy. Get a life.

Verge wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Abbott is a douchebag but he does deserve a grace period. I'm also enjoying not seeing a pm on the news all the time.

He will get a grace period, all right. Until he makes his first mistake. Then we will see why the "don't call me I'll call you" policy will be a failure.

One of two things will happen in such conditions. Either we will see a lot of footage of Abbott saying "no comment", or he will issue press statements and not be seen at all.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:08pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 11:02pm: Rider wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 9:16pm: He didn't say he was gonna be invisible.  Breaking the 'look at me...look at me' must make an announcement because we need to be infront of the media every hour on the hour nonsense that Krudd and Dullard stupidly substituted for good government. Seems to have tied your knickers up in knots already and its only day 1.... ;D ;D Abbott is well known for "look at me...look at me" stunts, all carefully stage-managed by his faceless minders and paid for by taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I have seen no indication that he's going to stop the stunts now that he's the PM. That comment and frankly this whole thread has whiney boy written all over it. I am sure we will hear from you when it happens, but no, we have to hear from you with the 'but but but its gonna happen. Mark my words, its gonna happen'. So it should happen less then and you should be happy. Get a life.

Ad hominem attacks? Is that the best you can do?

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:11pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 11:08pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 11:02pm: Rider wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 9:16pm: He didn't say he was gonna be invisible.  Breaking the 'look at me...look at me' must make an announcement because we need to be infront of the media every hour on the hour nonsense that Krudd and Dullard stupidly substituted for good government. Seems to have tied your knickers up in knots already and its only day 1.... ;D ;D Abbott is well known for "look at me...look at me" stunts, all carefully stage-managed by his faceless minders and paid for by taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I have seen no indication that he's going to stop the stunts now that he's the PM. That comment and frankly this whole thread has whiney boy written all over it. I am sure we will hear from you when it happens, but no, we have to hear from you with the 'but but but its gonna happen. Mark my words, its gonna happen'. So it should happen less then and you should be happy. Get a life. Ad hominem attacks? Is that the best you can do?

That is all that can be said of your pathetic posts.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:11pm:

Ad hominem attacks? Is that the best you can do?

I really wish people would educate themselves as to what constitutes an Ad hominem, many who freely use the word would be surprised if they bothered to educate themselves instead of attempting to sound educated. 

Join me, educate yourself and join me in laughing at those who use it incorrectly. 

One I posted earlier,  hope this helps. 


Datalife wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 7:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 12:40am:   Quote: Careful, your little white flippers are showing you putrid puppet clown freak Ad hominem?   ::) The question mark is appropriate.  You still have not figured out the difference between an insult and when appropriate to call ad ad hominem, though I am not surprised you have proven in the past you are a slow learner.  Or maybe you say it because you think it sounds cool not caring that you reveal your ignorance? Maybe the following will help you, ...but if history is a guide I doubt it. Description of Ad Hominem Ad Hominem is the most familiar of informal fallacies, and—with the possible exception of Undistributed Middle—the most familiar logical fallacy of them all. It is also one of the most used and abused of fallacies, and both justified and unjustified accusations of Ad Hominem abound in any debate. It is a frequently misidentified fallacy, for many people seem to think that any personal criticism, attack, or insult counts as an ad hominem fallacy. Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person." An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form: 1.Person A makes claim X. 2.Person B makes an attack on person A. 3.Therefore A's claim is false. The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made). Example of Ad Hominem 1.Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong." Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest." Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?" Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Rider wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 9:16pm: He didn't say he was gonna be invisible.  Breaking the 'look at me...look at me' must make an announcement because we need to be infront of the media every hour on the hour nonsense that Krudd and Dullard stupidly substituted for good government. Seems to have tied your knickers up in knots already and its only day 1.... ;D ;D Abbott is well known for "look at me...look at me" stunts, all carefully stage-managed by his faceless minders and paid for by taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I have seen no indication that he's going to stop the stunts now that he's the PM.

They look pretty cheap to me - a quick change into the lycra and cycle helmet, then a few loops of the Parliamentary circle with all those faceless blokes in identical lycra trailing at a discrete distance on their bikes.

Still - at least we know what next year’s Mardi Gras’s going to show.

Rider wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 8:18pm: Abbott has stated that he won't be talking to the media unless he has something to say. This suggests that he is evading scrutiny. His biggest weakness is an inability to answer unscripted questions. He seems to be seeking to avoid this sort of situation. This will backfire. If Abbott makes a mistake, as he inevitably will sooner or later, going to ground will not be perceived well by the media or public. It is why the former Victorian Premier Baillieu's approval crashed in Victoria and the ALP in Victoria gained 10 points on the opinion polls inside a year. It is why Kennett lost office in Victoria in 1999. I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable. He didn't say he was gonna be invisible.  Breaking the 'look at me...look at me' must make an announcement because we need to be infront of the media every hour on the hour nonsense that Krudd and Dullard stupidly substituted for good government. Seems to have tied your knickers up in knots already and its only day 1.... ;D ;D

Abbott was in the media way more than them until the last few months. Everytime anything happened the media went and asked the opposition what they thought of it. Think that will happen now? thought not.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

adelcrow wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Yep...Australia is going to have a secret govt not unlike the hardline dictatorships of the past. Oh well voters...you were warned about the mad monk before you voted and now its to late. I wonder how long it will be before the brown shirts knock on the door of anyone who dares question this govt?

The squealers will be loaded onto those boats that are going back to Indonesia.

Although this could be a great opportunity for aspiring young whistle-blowers to make their mark in Australia.

Can't wait to get the dirt on this mob.

im starting to work out not to bother even looking some posters threads...

bam is one of them...

he seems to have a child like brain that's been through a blender and stuffed back into his silly little noggin again..

sad really...

I don't expect our CEO to run our business from the microphone at the front counter announcing everything that is happening. 

This is no different. If he has nothing to say, don't say something for the sake of talking.

It's why so many tuned off Rudd. All he did was yap that it got to a point people stopped listening.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 19^th, 2013 at 6:37am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 9:42pm: Yep...Australia is going to have a secret govt not unlike the hardline dictatorships of the past. Oh well voters...you were warned about the mad monk before you voted and now its to late. I wonder how long it will be before the brown shirts knock on the door of anyone who dares question this govt? The squealers will be loaded onto those boats that are going back to Indonesia. Although this could be a great opportunity for aspiring young whistle-blowers to make their mark in Australia. Can't wait to get the dirt on this mob.

we kn ow you cant..

will it include stealing from widows funds do you think and helping it disappear up their married lovers backside..??? ::)

I wonder...

what about that other perv the protected species on the back b ench...who used poorly paid peoples union dues to get his rocks off at fancy brothels..??? ::)

and then theres slipper... and we all got a good look at what he thinks about women.. especially women in govt... yeah even though his boss was a women..but she wasnt offended was she? I keep forgetting. ::) ::)

oh well happy hunting for the DIRT.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

Abbott has stated that he won't be talking to the media unless he has something to say. This suggests that he is evading scrutiny. His biggest weakness is an inability to answer unscripted questions. He seems to be seeking to avoid this sort of situation. This will backfire. If Abbott makes a mistake, as he inevitably will sooner or later, going to ground will not be perceived well by the media or public. It is why the former Victorian Premier Baillieu's approval crashed in Victoria and the ALP in Victoria gained 10 points on the opinion polls inside a year. It is why Kennett lost office in Victoria in 1999. I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable.

I now am able to enjoy my dinner without some politician hogging the 6pm news slot. Time for action and not words.

Verge wrote on Sep 19^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

I don't expect our CEO to run our business from the microphone at the front counter announcing everything that is happening.  This is no different. If he has nothing to say, don't say something for the sake of talking. It's why so many tuned off Rudd. All he did was yap that it got to a point people stopped listening.

On the other hand, I do prefer some accountability. There's a difference between not fronting the media every day and actively avoiding the media's scrutiny.

Abbott isn't good at being accountable. Watch this.

Tony Abbott ignoring, walking or hiding away from questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7cVFY_LCg

No doubt the Reich's peanut gallery will keep throwing around the personal attacks. I don't care. It just shows they cannot offer a good rebuttal.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable.

Oh ffs – he’s been in the job a dam day…

::) ::) ::)

FriYAY wrote on Sep 19^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 8:18pm: I prefer leaders who are willing to be accountable. Oh ffs – he’s been in the job a dam day… ::) ::) ::)

Of course - but he did make an announcement that merits some examination.

As I have stated earlier in the thread, I will reserve judgement until he makes his first mistake and see how that mistake is handled. However, he does have a history of not being effective in unscripted media appearances. Watch the video to see why I am sceptical of the announcement.

This scepticism does not extend to most other members of the government. In particular, Turnbull handles the media very well and would have made an excellent Prime Minister. I am just sceptical of Abbott given his history.