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Foreign corporations wanting to sue Australian governments will have to cool their heels. New trade minister Andrew Robb says Australia's negotiating position on the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement remains the same despite an election commitment to overturn the blanket prohibition on ''investor-state dispute settlement'' provisions. The previous government declared point-blank that Australia would never again sign an agreement that included the provisions. One of the few trade agreements Australia has signed with such a clause allowed a Hong Kong-based subsidiary of tobacco giant Philip Morris to take Australia to an international tribunal over its plain-packaging laws, despite having lost its case in the High Court. It is believed the United States was close to accommodating Australia's insistence by carving out an exemption for Australia while the other 10 signatories were bound by the provisions. Australia is the only country to have successfully concluded a trade deal with the US without such a clause, the US-Australia free trade agreement. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/trade-treaty-stance-the-same-despite-promise-20130922-2u7wm.html#ixzz2fekHqvaB

Fingers crossed, but it looks like common sense may prevail.


Quote:

In a written statement to Fairfax Media, Mr Robb said it would be ''premature to discuss positions we may wish to pursue on this or any issue under discussion in the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement negotiations''. ''In opposition the Coalition stated that it would consider the inclusion of ISDS provisions in free trade agreements on a case-by-case basis. It would be wrong, however, to assume this changes Australia's current position on ISDS in the context of the Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations.''

We need to be wary of the sucker punch, but it seems the Libs are listening. Ironically if Tony  does sign up to an ISDS clause in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, we don't  gain any trade benefits with America over and above those already negotiated in the original AUSFTA deal.

Maybe

1. You forgot the adults are in power
2. You were used to labors incompetence and loved it
3. Have a sense of grandeur

Take your pick

oh my goodness did the lefties jump in  a wee bit quick AGAIN ..you see the libs think things out... they look ahead at the consequences unlike you lefties that like to jump in the deep end to prove how clever you are.. and then end up pretending you know nothing about it when it all goes pear shaped..aka pinkbatts ::) ::) ::)..and massive debt.

The adults may be in charge - but it must be hard walking backwards

PS The boats are still coming Tony  ;D ;D ;D

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure.

The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch.

The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

Theres more backflips and somersaults than Circus Soleil coming from the neo cons.
Guess what...the sky never was falling in  ;D

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:44am:

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure. The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch. The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

So number 3 it is

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

Good on Tony  ... but I'm waiting until the decision is final ... with all his backflips I'm surprised Tony can walk.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:44am: With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure. The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch. The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically. So number 3 it is

Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:11pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:44am: With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure. The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch. The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically. So number 3 it is Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps.

That it can and does, but I wouldnt overstate its impact.

This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:18pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:11pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:44am: With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure. The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch. The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically. So number 3 it is Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps. That it can and does, but I wouldnt overstate its impact. This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat?   We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

Vic wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:57pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:18pm: ... This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree. As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat?   We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

Then again: Tony Abbott says Direct Action needs no modelling
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Tony Abbott has said the Coalition intends to "have a crack" at implementing its Direct Action climate policy, rather than model whether it will work, ...

Abbott believes in it, so there's no need to look at the ins and outs.

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

;D ;D ;D ;D

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:57pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:18pm: ... This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree. As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat?   We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters Then again: Tony Abbott says Direct Action needs no modelling Quote: Tony Abbott has said the Coalition intends to "have a crack" at implementing its Direct Action climate policy, rather than model whether it will work, ... Abbott believes in it, so there's no need to look at the ins and outs.

Exactly..the Coalition have had a carbon reduction policy ever since the 2007 election and all major parties accept the science and have the same reductions targets. The only skeptics these days are either brain damaged fools or profit from digging up and burning fossil fuels.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:05pm:

# wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Vic wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:57pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:18pm: ... This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree. As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat?   We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters Then again: Tony Abbott says Direct Action needs no modelling Quote: Tony Abbott has said the Coalition intends to "have a crack" at implementing its Direct Action climate policy, rather than model whether it will work, ... Abbott believes in it, so there's no need to look at the ins and outs. Exactly..the Coalition have had a carbon reduction policy ever since the 2007 election ...

John Howard had a policy that might actually have worked. Tony Abbott intends to implement, without examination, a policy that, according to  three studies that I know of is unlikely to work and is probably underfunded (in the unlikely event that it started to work).

Vic wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:57pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:18pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:11pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:44am: With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure. The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch. The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically. So number 3 it is Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps. That it can and does, but I wouldnt overstate its impact. This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree. As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat?   We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

I dont seem to recall saying that every policy will be good policy even when you do the thinking instead of policy on the run like labor.

But atleast ill have the confidence that it is well thought policy so I can make up my mind against their explanation.

Labors policies are dead easy just to say 'you didnt think of the consequences did you' lol too easy to say throw it in the bin to labor policy.

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D

The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:03pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness.

funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs.

Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott?  So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue.

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:03pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness. funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs.

You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott?  So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue.

I have a point of view, longy. The Coalition is considering ceding our sovereignty to opaque international forums that we have no control over. I find the concept treasonous. There is no point agitating against ISDS clauses once the treaty has been signed.

If the government of the day wants to cede our democratic power they should have the guts and courtesy to do it in an open and transparent manner.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:44pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:03pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness. funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs. You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish.

rubbish, I did listen, I just didn't agree with what you were saying , after all, you were wrong on almost every single occasion

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:58pm: Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott?  So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue. I have a point of view, longy. The Coalition is considering ceding our sovereignty to opaque international forums that we have no control over. I find the concept treasonous. There is no point agitating against ISDS clauses once the treaty has been signed. If the government of the day wants to cede our democratic power they should have the guts and courtesy to do it in an open and transparent manner.

that is a little hysterical... not, it is a LOT hysterical.  I don't agree with it either but just on case you haven't read properly, the Libs don't necessarily agree with it either. they are simply CONSIDERING the issue aka thinking about it.  I know it has been 6 years since we had any policy that was actually well-considered so perhaps you don't really recognise the concept when you see it.

how about saving your faux-angst for and ACTUAL DECISION and an ACTUAL EVENT instead of suffering from premature outrage as you do.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:43pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:58pm: Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott?  So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue. I have a point of view, longy. The Coalition is considering ceding our sovereignty to opaque international forums that we have no control over. I find the concept treasonous. There is no point agitating against ISDS clauses once the treaty has been signed. If the government of the day wants to cede our democratic power they should have the guts and courtesy to do it in an open and transparent manner. that is a little hysterical... not, it is a LOT hysterical.  I don't agree with it either but just on case you haven't read properly, the Libs don't necessarily agree with it either. they are simply CONSIDERING the issue aka thinking about it.  I know it has been 6 years since we had any policy that was actually well-considered so perhaps you don't really recognise the concept when you see it. how about saving your faux-angst for and ACTUAL DECISION and an ACTUAL EVENT instead of suffering from premature outrage as you do.

Prevention is always better than the cure, longy.

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:30pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:13pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:44pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:03pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness. funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs. You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish. rubbish, I did listen, I just didn't agree with what you were saying , after all, you were wrong on almost every single occasion

Yeh I only had to be right on one didnt I. Labor got their wosrt primary result for 100 years. Lol what a guess they would have their azz handed to them while u actually thought they would do well

I support the ability of multi-nationals to have disputes resolved in tribunals outside of the local court system.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:13pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:44pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:03pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness. funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs. You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish. rubbish, I did listen, I just didn't agree with what you were saying , after all, you were wrong on almost every single occasion Yeh I only had to be right on one didnt I. Labor got their wosrt primary result for 100 years. Lol what a guess they would have their azz handed to them while u actually thought they would do well

I don't believe I ever said labor would win ....... if I said labor would win you should have no trouble providing a link to that quote ..... I bet you won't find one .....

at least try to be honest progs ...

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 10:43pm:

I support the ability of multi-nationals to have disputes resolved in tribunals outside of the local court system.

petition the pommie govt. ... as you don't live or vote here, your opinion on how Australia deals with multinationals mean sh1t.

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:43pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:58pm: Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott?  So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue. I have a point of view, longy. The Coalition is considering ceding our sovereignty to opaque international forums that we have no control over. I find the concept treasonous. There is no point agitating against ISDS clauses once the treaty has been signed. If the government of the day wants to cede our democratic power they should have the guts and courtesy to do it in an open and transparent manner. that is a little hysterical... not, it is a LOT hysterical.  I don't agree with it either but just on case you haven't read properly, the Libs don't necessarily agree with it either. they are simply CONSIDERING the issue aka thinking about it.  I know it has been 6 years since we had any policy that was actually well-considered so perhaps you don't really recognise the concept when you see it. how about saving your faux-angst for and ACTUAL DECISION and an ACTUAL EVENT instead of suffering from premature outrage as you do. Prevention is always better than the cure, longy.

and reality is better than paranoia.  fact better than fiction.

you are imagining problems and jumping at shadows.  You need some serious help.

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 9:35pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:13pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:44pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:03pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness. funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs. You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish. rubbish, I did listen, I just didn't agree with what you were saying , after all, you were wrong on almost every single occasion Yeh I only had to be right on one didnt I. Labor got their wosrt primary result for 100 years. Lol what a guess they would have their azz handed to them while u actually thought they would do well I don't believe I ever said labor would win ....... if I said labor would win you should have no trouble providing a link to that quote ..... I bet you won't find one ..... at least try to be honest progs ...

lol der. You should be able to provide a link where I said that you said labor would win. Pathetic little johnny

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 11:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 10:50pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 9:35pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 6:13pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:44pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:03pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:09pm: Bam wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:06am: MOTR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:55am: It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods? They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that. You are partly right. I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position. We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others. ;D ;D ;D ;D The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness. funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs. You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish. rubbish, I did listen, I just didn't agree with what you were saying , after all, you were wrong on almost every single occasion Yeh I only had to be right on one didnt I. Labor got their wosrt primary result for 100 years. Lol what a guess they would have their azz handed to them while u actually thought they would do well I don't believe I ever said labor would win ....... if I said labor would win you should have no trouble providing a link to that quote ..... I bet you won't find one ..... at least try to be honest progs ... lol der. You should be able to provide a link where I said that you said labor would win. Pathetic little johnny

I said you I didn't agree with you because you were wrong, and then you said you were right, once, about labor losing the election


that implies that I disagreed with you when you said labor would lose ... if that's the case then find it  (do you always struggle to follow a conversation?)

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 10:43pm: I support the ability of multi-nationals to have disputes resolved in tribunals outside of the local court system. petition the pommie govt. ... as you don't live or vote here, your opinion on how Australia deals with multinationals mean sh1t.

What you fail to appreciate John is that someone isn't less Australian because they choose to live in a different country.

Keith Urban?
Clive James?
Kylie Minogue?
Rolf Harris (LOL) ?

They aren't Australian in your opinion then??