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Message started by the wise one on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:23pm

Title: Did Abbott lie?
Post by the wise one on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:23pm

Quote:
Tony Abbott has broken his campaign promise to spend the first week of his prime ministership with the Garma people in Arnhem Land, so News Corp is now pretending he never made it. Managing editor David Donovan reports.


LAST NIGHT, I was quietly sitting at home with my family watching a DVD when someone sent me an email:

Do I recall Tony Abbott promising during the recent election campaign that he would spend the first week of his term in office in an Aborigine community?  Is this a broken promise, or is my memory playing tricks?


It was an interesting message, because I also recalled hearing about this promise on ABC radio during the election campaign and, indeed, it receiving quite a bit of coverage in the media during the campaign. It was taken by many to show the vital importance Abbott puts on the issue of Indigenous affairs, something IA has had a significant amount of doubt about, as shown by this story, as well as this one.

As far as I am aware, Abbott has not spend the days since he was sworn in last week in an Indigenous community.

So, while watching the final episode of Breaking Bad (Series One), I sent out the following tweet:

Forgive if I recall incorrectly, but didn’t Abbott promise to spend his first week as PM in an Indigenous community?

— David Donovan (@davrosz) September 22, 2013


I was astonished to find that, within a minute, the editor of the News Corporation’s Sydney Sunday masthead, the Sunday Telegraph responding to me directly, denying Abbott had ever made this statement:

@davrosz @vanbadham no he promised to spend a week a year as PM — samantha maiden (@samanthamaiden) September 22, 2013


I was intrigued by this. I don’t follow Maiden and she doesn’t follow me. So why was she going into bat for Abbott — and why so precipitously?

Anyway, as I said, I remembered hearing about this promise many times, so I did a quick search on the internet and came up with the ABC story where I recall first hearing about it:

@samanthamaiden@vanbadham So, you are saying this report on ABC PM is incorrect? http://t.co/G8szkt6ygh

— David Donovan (@davrosz) September 22, 2013


Surprisingly, Maiden claimed that this ABC report never happened.

So, I tweeted her an excerpt from the transcript of ABC PM, which was as follows [IA emphasis]:

SARA EVERINGHAM: At the annual Garma Indigenous culture festival organised by the Yothu Yindi Foundation, he announced a new Indigenous advisory council headed by the former ALP national president Warren Mundine.

He also promised that if the Coalition wins the election he’ll spend his first week as prime minister with the Yolngu people in north-east Arnhem Land.


It seemed pretty clear cut to me: either Everingham lied or had it wrong – and no correction had ever been issued by Abbott or the ABC, as far as I was aware – or Abbott had made this promise and broken it.

Surprisingly, Maiden still tried to claim there was no reference, even though I had given her one and from a highly credible source, the national broadcaster.



Read the full article here

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by adelcrow on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 1:46pm
There will be a lot of lies to troll through by the time he calls his promised DD unless of course that was also a lie  :D

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by # on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:29pm
Abbott's a politician. Of course he lies.

He clearly made that promise with no intention of keeping it.
He claims to be a volunteer fire fighter. As far as I can tell, the closest he's come to a fire is in training.
He claims to be a volunteer surf life saver. As far as I can tell he's never even patrolled a beach.

Abbott's little but a stack of lies. By rights that stack will fall soon.

From the looks of it, Murdoch is putting substantial effort into propping Abbott up. We should all be worried about what he expects in return.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by aquascoot on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:34pm
  YES.....he promised to slash the public service.  the fact he hasnt taken the axe to them is a betrayal of all australian taxpayers

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by Dnarever on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by Verge on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:11pm
Im a tad confused because it doesnt sound like a plausable thing to even say.  There is no way it would have been even remotely possible to do with all the moving, officals to brief, swearing in etc.

If he said it, he is an idiot. 

EDIT
Just watched it, he is an idiot.  Smack of the forehead stuff.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by # on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:14pm

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:11pm:
..., he is an idiot. 

We voted him in to office.

He now represents us on the world stage. Anyone for war with Indonesia?

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by the wise one on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:45pm
Didn’t Abbott also say the first week of his Prime Ministership he would go to Indonesia. I hope Bambang Yudhoyono didn’t clear his diary to make time to see Abbott.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by cods on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.




YES




just like gillard..

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by the wise one on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:49pm

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.




YES





just like gillard..



Put up the whole quote where Gillard lied, not half of it, then tell us where the lie is

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by cods on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:50pm

John S wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:45pm:
Didn’t Abbott also say the first week of his Prime Ministership he would go to Indonesia. I hope Bambang Yudhoyono didn’t clear his diary to make time to see Abbott.




GUESS WHAT SOUR GRAPES PARTY




his FIRST week isnt up until WEDNESDAY.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by bigvicfella on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:51pm

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:50pm:

John S wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:45pm:
Didn’t Abbott also say the first week of his Prime Ministership he would go to Indonesia. I hope Bambang Yudhoyono didn’t clear his diary to make time to see Abbott.




GUESS WHAT SOUR GRAPES PARTY




his FIRST week isnt up until WEDNESDAY.



that's correct.  And look at the f*ckups the Libs have achieved in so short a time!!

Would you like to buy an indonesian fishing boat?

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by matty on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:02pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.


Funny, never once saw you complain about any Labor lies. Not once.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by Verge on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:06pm

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.




YES

just like gillard..


Cosidering your well documented distaste, dislike and disrespect of Gillard, Im suprised that in a thread about Abbott you make to her also not being truthful.  Does this mean you think the same of Abbott as you do Gillard now because they are both liars?

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by cods on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:07pm

Vic wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:51pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:50pm:

John S wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:45pm:
Didn’t Abbott also say the first week of his Prime Ministership he would go to Indonesia. I hope Bambang Yudhoyono didn’t clear his diary to make time to see Abbott.




GUESS WHAT SOUR GRAPES PARTY




his FIRST week isnt up until WEDNESDAY.



that's correct.  And look at the f*ckups the Libs have achieved in so short a time!!

Would you like to buy an indonesian fishing boat?



I would actually and then I could offer all you bitter old losers.. a trip to Java real cheap.. you wont ev en need a passport...$6000 will do it..




Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by bigvicfella on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:13pm

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:51pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:50pm:

John S wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:45pm:
Didn’t Abbott also say the first week of his Prime Ministership he would go to Indonesia. I hope Bambang Yudhoyono didn’t clear his diary to make time to see Abbott.




GUESS WHAT SOUR GRAPES PARTY




his FIRST week isnt up until WEDNESDAY.



that's correct.  And look at the f*ckups the Libs have achieved in so short a time!!

Would you like to buy an indonesian fishing boat?



I would actually and then I could offer all you bitter old losers.. a trip to Java real cheap.. you wont ev en need a passport...$6000 will do it..






Then go ahead and buy one before they all go!  You don't want to be the only Lib on the block without one. Surely!    As far as customers go, Lots of Lib queens on here who lwould jump over me in the queue.  They need not even have the money on the day - direct deposit to LibHQ - STOP THE BOATS account will be just fine  ::)

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by cods on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:14pm

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:06pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.




YES

just like gillard..


Cosidering your well documented distaste, dislike and disrespect of Gillard, Im suprised that in a thread about Abbott you make to her also not being truthful.  Does this mean you think the same of Abbott as you do Gillard now because they are both liars?




just saying gillard set the bench mark real low.... ::) ::) so you lefties cant really complain when it comes back and bites you can you??...I was being sarcastic..

and NO I dont think its good when pollies LIE dont now and never have done..but the op is crap and you know it..

when its real and not in some ding dong sour losers mind..
then it will be commented on in the same fashion...


another funny thing has happened since ABBOTT WON THE ELECTION...

if a righty brings up say gillard or krudd.. they are reminded what the thread is about ..of course abbott..


yet for 6 years whenever a thread was on the topic of gillard or krudd... they always brought up Howard or Abbott.. and not a whinger in sight...

they are only small things.. but it pays to remember if you can dish it out.. then you have to suck it up.. :P

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by cods on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:17pm

Vic wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:13pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:51pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:50pm:

John S wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:45pm:
Didn’t Abbott also say the first week of his Prime Ministership he would go to Indonesia. I hope Bambang Yudhoyono didn’t clear his diary to make time to see Abbott.




GUESS WHAT SOUR GRAPES PARTY




his FIRST week isnt up until WEDNESDAY.



that's correct.  And look at the f*ckups the Libs have achieved in so short a time!!

Would you like to buy an indonesian fishing boat?



I would actually and then I could offer all you bitter old losers.. a trip to Java real cheap.. you wont ev en need a passport...$6000 will do it..






Then go ahead and buy one before they all go!  You don't want to be the only Lib on the block without one. Surely!    As far as customers go, Lots of Lib queens on here who lwould jump over me in the queue.  They need not even have the money on the day - direct deposit to LibHQ - STOP THE BOATS account will be just fine  ::)



here we go twist away sunshine if it makes you feel better..

WE ARE THE WINNERS YOU ARE THE LOSERS>.. and to hear some of you... [shaking head.].. it will be HELL ON EARTH living here.for losers... so the boats are for losers.. not winners...

we are as happy as anything. to be rid of the worst govt in history...its not rocket science.. ;D ;D.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by Spot of Borg on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:17pm
Cods really gets worked up doesnt she? All that troll-fonting  . . . .

SOB


Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by Verge on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:19pm

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:06pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.




YES

just like gillard..


Cosidering your well documented distaste, dislike and disrespect of Gillard, Im suprised that in a thread about Abbott you make to her also not being truthful.  Does this mean you think the same of Abbott as you do Gillard now because they are both liars?




just saying gillard set the bench mark real low.... ::) ::) so you lefties cant really complain when it comes back and bites you can you??...I was being sarcastic..

and NO I dont think its good when pollies LIE dont now and never have done..but the op is crap and you know it..

when its real and not in some ding dong sour losers mind..
then it will be commented on in the same fashion...


another funny thing has happened since ABBOTT WON THE ELECTION...

if a righty brings up say gillard or krudd.. they are reminded what the thread is about ..of course abbott..


yet for 6 years whenever a thread was on the topic of gillard or krudd... they always brought up Howard or Abbott.. and not a whinger in sight...

they are only small things.. but it pays to remember if you can dish it out.. then you have to suck it up.. :P


Im more impressed you admitted Abbott lied, and you then compared him to the one person you dispise.

Im even more impressed you (matty as well) class me as a lefty, yet the "leftys" seem to have me picked as a righty.

I was merely making commentary on your comment.  My reply to you demonstrates no political bias whatsoever.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:21pm

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:19pm:
Im even more impressed you (matty as well) class me as a lefty, yet the "leftys" seem to have me picked as a righty.



The world is Black or White.
Thinking of Grey can only cause headaches. ;)


Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by cods on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:26pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:19pm:
Im even more impressed you (matty as well) class me as a lefty, yet the "leftys" seem to have me picked as a righty.



The world is Black or White.
Thinking of Grey can only cause headaches. ;)



its ok kat objects to being called a lefty as well.. ::)

yet I and I am sure matty have n ever ever seen one good thing said about Abbott or the Libs from any of you ...hohum lefties... ::)

you may like to claim you sit on the fence.. it makes you feel so ..." not responsible for anything that goes on"... but we all know who you voted for... and if you voted green... [hahaha] then you voted even MORE left.....so me thinks its time you stopped pretending..

because it aint the way you come across on here thats for sure..

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by Verge on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:19pm:
Im even more impressed you (matty as well) class me as a lefty, yet the "leftys" seem to have me picked as a righty.



The world is Black or White.
Thinking of Grey can only cause headaches. ;)


Having your own opinion on each topic generates issues for some on here who need to be told what to think.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:39pm

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:26pm:
yet I and I am sure matty have n ever ever seen one good thing said about Abbott or the Libs from any of you ...hohum lefties.



I have said plenty of good things about Costello, McFarlane, Turnbull, Georgio, Moylan, & a few others

I have even conceded Howard was a steady hand.

Tony has done nothing worthy of praise, unless of course you think a 3 year tantrum is an achievement.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:51pm

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:11pm:
Im a tad confused because it doesnt sound like a plausable thing to even say.  There is no way it would have been even remotely possible to do with all the moving, officals to brief, swearing in etc.

If he said it, he is an idiot. 

EDIT
Just watched it, he is an idiot.  Smack of the forehead stuff.


he probably meant one week a year despite what he said.  And really, in the long history of broken promises, does this even rate in the top 100,000???

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:11pm:
Im a tad confused because it doesnt sound like a plausable thing to even say.  There is no way it would have been even remotely possible to do with all the moving, officals to brief, swearing in etc.

If he said it, he is an idiot. 

EDIT
Just watched it, he is an idiot.  Smack of the forehead stuff.


he probably meant one week a year despite what he said.  And really, in the long history of broken promises, does this even rate in the top 100,000???



Again with the shoulder shrugging, You despised the last lot for lying pilloried them mercilessly.

Now its a matter of degree?????

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by # on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:11pm:
Im a tad confused because it doesnt sound like a plausable thing to even say.  There is no way it would have been even remotely possible to do with all the moving, officals to brief, swearing in etc.

If he said it, he is an idiot. 

EDIT
Just watched it, he is an idiot.  Smack of the forehead stuff.


he probably meant one week a year despite what he said. ...

Isn't he on record saying that what he says can't be trusted, unless he's reading a prepared statement*? Can we afford such ineptitude and untrustworthiness from the one who represents us?

* What if the prepared statement is a "non-core" promise?

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by Dnarever on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:17pm

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:19pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:06pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Did Abbott lie?

Yes about almost everything.

OR

Only when he opened his mouth.




YES

just like gillard..


Cosidering your well documented distaste, dislike and disrespect of Gillard, Im suprised that in a thread about Abbott you make to her also not being truthful.  Does this mean you think the same of Abbott as you do Gillard now because they are both liars?




just saying gillard set the bench mark real low.... ::) ::) so you lefties cant really complain when it comes back and bites you can you??...I was being sarcastic..

and NO I dont think its good when pollies LIE dont now and never have done..but the op is crap and you know it..

when its real and not in some ding dong sour losers mind..
then it will be commented on in the same fashion...


another funny thing has happened since ABBOTT WON THE ELECTION...

if a righty brings up say gillard or krudd.. they are reminded what the thread is about ..of course abbott..


yet for 6 years whenever a thread was on the topic of gillard or krudd... they always brought up Howard or Abbott.. and not a whinger in sight...

they are only small things.. but it pays to remember if you can dish it out.. then you have to suck it up.. :P


Im more impressed you admitted Abbott lied, and you then compared him to the one person you dispise.

Im even more impressed you (matty as well) class me as a lefty, yet the "leftys" seem to have me picked as a righty.

I was merely making commentary on your comment.  My reply to you demonstrates no political bias whatsoever.


Im even more impressed you (matty as well) class me as a lefty, yet the "leftys" seem to have me picked as a righty.

It seems to be just you me and Andrei in the centre ???


Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:25pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 3:11pm:
Im a tad confused because it doesnt sound like a plausable thing to even say.  There is no way it would have been even remotely possible to do with all the moving, officals to brief, swearing in etc.

If he said it, he is an idiot. 

EDIT
Just watched it, he is an idiot.  Smack of the forehead stuff.


he probably meant one week a year despite what he said.  And really, in the long history of broken promises, does this even rate in the top 100,000???



Again with the shoulder shrugging, You despised the last lot for lying pilloried them mercilessly.

Now its a matter of degree?????



I promised I would take the grandkids to the park by 2pm.  I didn't until 3pm.  Am I a liar and were they in any way inconvenienced or harshly treated?  yes, there ARE matters of degree especially when it was obviously a mis-spoken comment.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by # on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:
...  yes, there ARE matters of degree especially when it was obviously a mis-spoken comment.

The contrast between your treatment of Gillard and of Abbott reveals breathtaking hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:45pm

# wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:
...  yes, there ARE matters of degree especially when it was obviously a mis-spoken comment.

The contrast between your treatment of Gillard and of Abbott reveals breathtaking hypocrisy.


you mean the Carbon tax LIE???  the LIE that destroyed her govt and even now has the ALP in opposition for at least 9 years???

yeah... so similar.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by # on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:45pm:

# wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:
...  yes, there ARE matters of degree especially when it was obviously a mis-spoken comment.

The contrast between your treatment of Gillard and of Abbott reveals breathtaking hypocrisy.


you mean the Carbon tax LIE???  the LIE that destroyed her govt and even now has the ALP in opposition for at least 9 years???
...

Do you believe that repeating hypocrisy enhances your credibility?

Title: Re: Did Abbott lie?
Post by aquascoot on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:51pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:39pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 4:26pm:
yet I and I am sure matty have n ever ever seen one good thing said about Abbott or the Libs from any of you ...hohum lefties.



I have said plenty of good things about Costello, McFarlane, Turnbull, Georgio, Moylan, & a few others

I have even conceded Howard was a steady hand.

Tony has done nothing worthy of praise, unless of course you think a 3 year tantrum is an achievement.


thats a little harsh. tonys been remarkably cool to my mind (and i'm not a fan of his).
milne is tantrum central. gillard wasnt much better.
rudd ...you certainly couldnt call him a steady hand.
tonys disciplined , if nothing else.  i dont think he'll implode.he may even grow into the job.  needs to remember liberal roots though

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