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Title: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:49am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHt94EGrac

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:57am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9e-UFxkhJA

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1evjaYkdnQ

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by freediver on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:02am

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:09am

He's a fanatic.

He speaks to empty rooms.

He does no more harm than the Christian preacher that bags Islam to his Sunday congregation.

He wants to make money and get rich through his religious propaganda.

I criticise ACA more than him for giving him air space. It's MSM propaganda, he speaks to no more than a handful of people, he has no audience, he's a nothing and a no one.

Anyone that has seen his youtube videos know he's a joke.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Big Dave on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:36am

athos wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1evjaYkdnQ

What a stuttering nutjob that dude from the first clip is. Imagine denouncing freedom of speech but taking full advantage of it. They are ugly people.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by ian on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:37am

If you want to be taken even a little bit seriously then dont post videos from ACA which is really just a cartoon show for semi literate bogans.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Big Dave on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:39am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

He speaks to empty rooms. Really? He does more harm than a Christian nutjob because several terrorist plots in Aus have already been foiled. Understand.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Big Dave on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:47am

ian wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

If you want to be taken even a little bit seriously then dont post videos from ACA which is really just a cartoon show for semi literate bogans.

I suppose he better post up a clip from The Project then. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Oh_Yeah on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:36am

I had just recently been thinking that the regular "I hate islam" crowd had gone quiet.

Good to see they are back regurgitating the same old garbage

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by freediver on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:40am

So what is your opinion of Islam?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Oh_Yeah on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

So what is your opinion of Islam?

It is the same as my opinion on all religions. I think they are misguided and I have issues with some of the things they do.

Having said that, I don't condemn all Christians for the actions of a few pedophiles and the US warmongering government.

I also don't condemn all muslims for the actions of a few terrorists

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

So what is your opinion of Islam?

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by wally1 on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:18am

How old are these clips athos?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by freediver on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 12:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

So what is your opinion of Islam?

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Spineless is when you insist that Muslims have a right to chop people's heads of for blasphemy, and that you have no right to criticise and are incapable of criticising because you are not a member of their nation and religion.

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

I also don't condemn all muslims for the actions of a few terrorists

That's not really what this is about but, is it?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 7:45pm

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

So what is your opinion of Islam?

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Misunderstanding what was said, still, FD? ::)

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The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

I also don't condemn all muslims for the actions of a few terrorists

That's not really what this is about but, is it?

It is, by suggesting that radical, extremist, salaphist Takfiri Muslims are representative of all Muslims, FD. Of course, that is what you'd prefer people to believe but it's good to see some people are still unwilling to accept your bigoted viewpoint. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Muslims get a fairer go in Australia, Canada, NZ, the UK or the US than anywhere in the 'Muslim lands'.

Yet they attack all these countries as well as the 'Muslim lands'.

But Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:36pm

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Some Muslims do, Soren. Not all Muslims do. You however, would prefer to utilise guilty by association and brand all Muslims as being "attackers". That is not fair. You are merely the mirror-image of the intolerance and hatred that you claim you oppose. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by freediver on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm

So we must bend over backwards to be more tolerant of Islamic intolerance to prove to Brian that we are not as intolerant as the intolerance we criticise? And we can start this by insisting we have no right to criticise (unless we are a Muslim from the same country) but Muslims have the right to do whatever they want, including chopping people's heads of?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Aussie on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:29pm

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Yeah, onya freediver.......is there not a dedicated Muslim Board here? Huh? You know there is, but far be it from you to miss any chance to spread the fear and loathing.

::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by True Colours on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:35pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1Ye4KkxIo

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by True Colours on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:38pm

Why does the owner of this website run an anti-Islam wiki?

Anybody else find that creepy?

Imagine if someone trying to pose as legitimate ran an anti-Jew wiki.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Aussie on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:01pm

True Colours wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Why does the owner of this website run an anti-Islam wiki?

Anybody else find that creepy?

Imagine if someone trying to pose as legitimate ran an anti-Jew wiki.

Oh surely you must have noticed that freediver wants to attack Islam at every opportunity on a literal basis and convenient transference of values from one millennium to another. It is just as easy to attack Christianity. I just ignore him on that matter now, as completely unbalanced.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:40pm

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

You don't have to, FD. What you have to understand and refuse to is that not all Muslims support intolerance. They are undeserving of your opprobrium, FD and that has been explained to you many, many times but you continue with your condemnation through guilt by association. Even worse, you keep perpetuating the same falsehoods about their religion and it's leader and no matter how often you're shown that your views aren't sensible or correct, you just keep returning to them in an endless diatribe against Muslims and Islam. Now, that is the essence of bigotry, Freediver. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:34am

I agree with the man at the WTC on 911:-

"Everything I needed to know about islam, I learned on 911".

I thought of that in 2004, looking into that terrible hole in the ground, and I would not trust them a far as i could throw them. And the "tiny minority" excuse is bovine excreta!

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:41am

I'm not a bit worried about Islam or Muslims, it's just the spread of fear that even gives those fanatics a voice.

Muslim terrorists nah!!!!! they don't even have a very high kill rate, they're minor players in the world of evil.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:02am

Old Codger wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:34am:

You paint with a very broad brush it seems! :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:21pm

"You paint with a very broad brush it seems!"

Yep, but i have been quite restrained so far.

I should tell you how I REALLY feel.

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

Go ahead! Tell us what you really feel! It will be no different to what all the other Racists, Xenophobes and Bigots say! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Some Muslims do, Soren. Not all Muslims do.

D'oh!

The pertinent point is that the ones who do attack, do so IN THE NAME of Islam, with rock-solid Islamic credentials.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 2:10pm

With our peace loving muslim brothers and the uncivilised barbarians, around the world, NOBODY can tell me which is which until the bomb goes off.

With some of them we cannot even tell if the one in a letter box suit is even a female!

NEVER trust them!

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 2:10pm

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:06pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 2:10pm:

You don't sound like the type to be striking up a conversation with them, so what does it matter if they are male or female.

If you really think there's a suicide bomber behind you every time you go out in public, move to a remote area, they won't follow you there, they only bomb in highly populated areas.

It would be unreasonable not to expect retaliation, but you shouldn't let it ruin your lifestyle.

I'm more worried about crazy western society than a few fanatical Mussies.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:42pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

So what is your opinion of Islam?

So you cannot tell the difference between committing an outrage expressly and explicitly in the name of a religion and committing an outrage not in the name of a religion.

You cannot tell the difference between the perpetrators of an outrage in the name of a religion being hailed as a hero and the perpetrator of an outrage not in the name of a religion being tried and jailed and held in contempt by his society.

All you can muster is a limp-wristed waive of equality-fetishist ennui.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:55pm

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Some Muslims do, Soren. Not all Muslims do.

D'oh!

The pertinent point is that the ones who do attack, do so IN THE NAME of Islam, with rock-solid Islamic credentials.

That is disputable, Soren. Why do you assume their "credentials" are more valid than those of Muslims who refute them? ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 2:10pm:

Why do you care?

Tell me, would you trust this person?

or this person?

or this person?

Do they look like Terrorists to you? 'cause they were. Not a Muslim amongst them...

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:02pm

Problem is not in malticartularism problem je in Islam.

While all others peacefully and spontaneously exchange their culture and tradition among themselves Muslims persistently and forcefully try to impose their barbaric sharia law and anti culture on everyone else undermining and rejecting even official Australian law.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Big Dave on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:55pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Some Muslims do, Soren. Not all Muslims do.

D'oh!

The pertinent point is that the ones who do attack, do so IN THE NAME of Islam, with rock-solid Islamic credentials.

That is disputable, Soren. Why do you assume their "credentials" are more valid than those of Muslims who refute them? ::)

I'll put this to you Brian. Even the most moderate Muslims in Australia would love a Muslim run system . They only abide by the system we have now because they have to.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

Big Dave wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

I'll put this to you Brian. Even the most moderate Muslims in Australia would love a Muslim run system . They only abide by the system we have now because they have to.

People escape poverty, war, famine and political persecution. not their culture or religion.

There's plenty of Australians living in Dubai, they didn't convert to Islam, however they abide by the laws of that country because they have to.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:28pm

Big Dave wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

I'll put this to you Brian. Even the most moderate Muslims in Australia would love a Muslim run system . They only abide by the system we have now because they have to.

Really? According to whom? You have some evidence to back that assertion? I would suggest it smacks of prejudice rather than reality from my experience with many Muslims.

Here's a question for you. What do you think is the average attendance rate at most Mosques on Friday for Prayers? What is it at Churches for Sunday services/Mass?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:30pm

athos wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

So, all Muslims do this?

How many Muslims, as a proportion of the total population do think there are in Australia? Approximately 2%. Do you seriously think that 2% (and to be truthful, not all Muslims want to impose Sh'ria, so we're really look at an even smaller number) can enforce their will on the other 98%? Really? ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Do they look like Terrorists to you? 'cause they were. Not a Muslim amongst them...

LOL, I bet when a bomb goes off your immediate thought is not "oh crap, the IRA are at it again". Not if you are honest anyway and accept the existence of Islamic terrorism instead of constantly pointing, "hey look over there!!" as if to deny its existence.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:30pm:

athos wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

I am not talking from statistics point of view but from my and overwhelming other people's experience with muslims.
The reality so far has confirmed that persistent political correctness can't bring solution to Muslim intolerance and aggressive behaviour toward rest of the peaceful population.
Australia has to start thinking about other solutions including deportation or selective migration policy that will as much as possible exclude Muslims, until it is not too late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h3GGP20lfE

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:03pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHwATEWqslw

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:13pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Do they look like Terrorists to you? 'cause they were. Not a Muslim amongst them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtrtxW_64PU

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:31pm

athos wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:30pm:

athos wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

I am not talking from statistics point of view but from my and overwhelming other people's experience with muslims.

Must be different Muslims to the ones I know. My experience with them has been overwhelmingly positive. One of my best friends is a Muslim and one of my neighbours is as well. Many people I've worked with over the last 25 years have been Muslims, never a problem.

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The reality so far has confirmed that persistent political correctness can't bring solution to Muslim intolerance and aggressive behaviour toward rest of the peaceful population.

Again, you must live in a different country. I've seen no Muslim intolerance and aggressive behavior except in the media when some extremist is promoted as the latest "voice of Islam". ::)

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Australia has to start thinking about other solutions including deportation or selective migration policy that will as much as possible exclude Muslims, until it is not too late.

As HB suggested, "you paint with a very broad brush." Considering that 36% of all Australian Muslims have been born here, deporting them would pose considerable legal difficulties for the Government. Then there is the other 46% whom are citizens. Revoking citizenship, merely on suspicion is rather extreme in the minds of most reasonable people... ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:

Again, you must live in a different country. I've seen no Muslim intolerance and aggressive behavior except in the media when some extremist is promoted as the latest "voice of Islam". ::)

They certainly do dominate the airwaves. And for as you say, such a tiny population, must be because Aussies are racists (using the lefts incorrect use of the term) but you don't see such coverage of the Buddhists for example.

There are many reasons for that including the nature of Islam to be more than just a religion, but you know that already but it doesn't suit your narrative.

Maybe people are a bit cautious when they note what is happening in Europe, where normally welcoming and generous nations are expressing disquiet at Muslim demands and actions which is all out of proportion of their population percentages. Must be they are all racists as well. In Brian world the only people who are not racist, who are willing to adopt and accommodate, who make no demands for special treatment, who don't protest with signs declaring people should be beheaded, who don't preach separation and justify rape are Muslims.

They are all lovely.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:19am

And how is Islam different to Christianity or Hinduism or Judiasm or virtually any other religion, which makes it "more than a religion"?

They are all opiates of the masses, feeding their believers their fix of beliefs, morality and lifestyle suggestions. While there may be minor differences, the view that you must live your religion and it's beliefs is common across all of them.

Muslims come in for special attention because they're the ones the media fixates on and sensationalises. They can easily find some radical who'll speak out, just as you can for the other religions if you really want to but they only speak for themselves really because their is no hierarchy, no centralised authority in Islam. Something which the media and of course the Islamophobes either don't know, can't understand or don't care about. It just makes it easier for them to be bigoted towards all Muslims, now don't it? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:26am

HB,

911 perhaps?

and countless other atrocities against "innocent civilians".

Every time I turn on teh TV I see peace loving muslims killing anyone they can get their hands on.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:07am

|dev|null wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

And how is Islam different to Christianity or Hinduism or Judiasm or virtually any other religion, which makes it "more than a religion"?

Islam is a political ideology that governs in places like Iran with the mad mullah's,does your technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia also apply to critics of the ruling Islamic regime in Iran?
Perhaps we should start calling critics of the Liberal party liberalphobic. 8-)

The Ahmadi muslims do not believe in political Islam or the obligation for jihad, they are persecuted for heretical reforms by mainstream Islam and cannot even call themselves muslims where they originated from in Pakistan.

The hindu are an excellent example of integration,cows are sacred to them yet we have a large beef industry and they will never ask us to change to accomodate their beliefs.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:18am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

Ikebal Patel the President of the Australian federation of Islamic councils has made several submissions to the government to consider sharia law under the concept of legal pluralism, do you think he should read our constitution instead of re reading the same old crappy books from the dark ages?

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The Australian federation of Islamic councils wants muslims to be able to marry,divorce and conduct financial transactions under the principals of sharia law.

It argues that all Australians would benefit if Islamic laws were adopted as mainstream legislation

Sharia guarantees women's rights that are not recognised in mainstream courts ,he said.
www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-17/muslim-group-wants-sharia-law-in-australia/2717096

The president of the AFIC has made numerous submissions to Parliament asking for sharia law to be accepted, do you consider him to be a fanatic?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:40pm

Well the fact is that they treat women as a factories for mass production of children. That's how they multiply so quickly like rabbits and take over territories.
While in europe among non muslims birth rate is from -2 to 1% among muslims is 9%.
That's how they are conquering Europe.
Someone recently said: "Today Kosovo tomorrow Auburn and Bankstown", "Today Europe, tomorrow Australia".
It's said to watch suicidal policy of the west.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7eQyrDt-U

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:45pm

Who else asked to be abolished official Australian law except Muslims who wants to introduce Iranian sharia law in Australia.
Did Indians asked for caste system to be introduced in Australia?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z04tg2skc4E

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

Boy bullied by muslim students for eating salami lunch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xwexD4olko

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:47pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xwexD4olko

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:58pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

HB,

911 perhaps?

and countless other atrocities against "innocent civilians".

Every time I turn on teh TV I see peace loving muslims killing anyone they can get their hands on.

Everytime I turn it on, I see more news about peace loving Americans and their allies killing anyone they can get their hands on.

Amazing how the death of 3,000 people in New York is more important than the deaths of a million people in Iraq and Afghanistan. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

And how is Islam different to Christianity or Hinduism or Judiasm or virtually any other religion, which makes it "more than a religion"?

Nope. It is technically and logically correct to call the bigotry that you and your mates continually display towards only Muslims, Islamophobia. Doesn't matter how disconnected they are from what the fundamentalists say or do, they're all guilty in your opinion. It is an irrational fear of anything to do with Islam and it's adherents.

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Perhaps we should start calling critics of the Liberal party liberalphobic. 8-)

Nope. You should just call them sensible, rational voters. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

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The Ahmadi muslims do not believe in political Islam or the obligation for jihad, they are persecuted for heretical reforms by mainstream Islam and cannot even call themselves muslims where they originated from in Pakistan.

I think you'll find they are persecuted because they hold heretical religious beliefs, not because they aren't interested in Islamism. Rather like the Cathars were in Europe by the Catholic Church. :D ;D :D ;D :D

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The hindu are an excellent example of integration,cows are sacred to them yet we have a large beef industry and they will never ask us to change to accomodate their beliefs.

So, you don't have any problem with Hindu beliefs like Suttee or Thuggee? What about arranged marriages? Honour Killings? What about the unbreakable Hindu caste beliefs? The hatred many of them hold for the Sikhs? Seems you're rather selective there. Could it because they make good curries you like them? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Herbert on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:06pm

The parties who are the guilty ones in this whole scenario are our own politicians who have kept the immigration gates open for yet further thousands of these colonialist immigrant pilgrims for Middle Eastern Islam.

These Muslims are only repeating what has been said by generations of their forebears stretching back 1400 years.

It's not their fault that the traitors who we elect to protect our cultural heritage lets them invade our homeland suburbs by the tens of thousands each year.

Only a percentage of the Muslim community wants to see the deconstruction of our Western society through the development and expansion of Islam's influence in all of our major institutions.

But with our own politicians it's 100% of them who are actively sponsoring the continuing influx of Muslims into our national homeland and into the very fabric of our society.

Where are the video clips of those who are the true villains in this scenario?

Whitlam, Grassby, Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, Gillard, Abbott ...

These are Australia's true political criminals.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:10pm

athos wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

Who else asked to be abolished official Australian law except Muslims who wants to introduce Iranian sharia law in Australia.
Did Indians asked for caste system to be introduced in Australia?

How many Muslims have asked for this? One? Ten? A hundred? A thousand, all of them? Get back to us with some facts, not sensationalist tabloid TV rubbish. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:15pm

"Amazing how the death of 3,000 people in New York is more important than the deaths of a million people in Iraq and Afghanistan."

The million dead is bulls1t propaganda! Grossly inflated by muslims killing muslims, which do not count in my book!

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:19pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

Oh, Sensei! Your bait is wonderful. It is fresh and sweet. It will attract so many fish to your trolling! I learn so much at your feet!

This though, is the greatest gem amongst your utterances and ululations!

Quote:

Only a percentage of the Muslim community wants to see the deconstruction of our Western society through the development and expansion of Islam's influence in all of our major institutions.

It is marvellous, if careless of you to show your true face while trolling! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:55pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Some Muslims do, Soren. Not all Muslims do.

D'oh!

The pertinent point is that the ones who do attack, do so IN THE NAME of Islam, with rock-solid Islamic credentials.

That is disputable, Soren. Why do you assume their "credentials" are more valid than those of Muslims who refute them? ::)

Because if this 'tiny minority's' credential were invalid, the 'vast majority of peaceful and law-abiding Muslims' would have called for a world-wide jihad on their arses (peaceful jihad, of course, spiritual-like).

But it ain't happening, Dorothy, it ain't happening. They are cowering - or tut-tuting at best.

The crazy guys' Islamic credentials are impeccable. That's the whole goddam point. They think the 'vast majority of peaceful and law-abiding Muslims' have gone all soft and modern and westernised and placid and un-Islamic.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:25pm

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:

The crazy guys' Islamic credentials are impeccable. That's the whole goddam point. They think the 'vast majority of peaceful and law-abiding Muslims' have gone all soft and modern and westernised and placid and un-Islamic.

It is a great tactic and a sword well honed. The placid brothers plead, you must accommodate us, you must change your laws, for if you do not, we can not restrain our violent brothers.

Brilliant stuff.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Innocent bystander on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:45pm

Be afraid Tony Abbott voting conservatives, on the lefts sh#t list you are below the Taliban and Alqeda, thats why they are trying to swamp the country with the useless front bottoms, every single one of them votes labor ;)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Beelzebub on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:05pm

The Abrahamic religions are the greatest single source of evil in this world, and have so been ever since their inception.

In case you diodn't understand, I repeat:

The Abrahamic religions are the greatest single source of evil in this world, and have so been ever since their inception.

In case you diodn't understand, I repeat AGAIN:

The Abrahamic religions are the greatest single source of evil in this world, and have so been ever since their inception.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:31pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Everyone is afraid of the crazy bearded loons. Which freedom of speech law is going to protect anyone against the jihad-breathing loons? None.

Ask The Danish cartoonists, Theo van Gogh, Rushdie, Rushdie's translators, the guy who made the Mohammed vid a couple of years back.

You get convicted for quoting the Koran in a Church if your audience dares to snigger. If they sit soney faced, you are safe. How smacking spineless and squishy is that of our own laws???

The bearded loons are hiding behind precisely the sentiment Brain and Gandalf and Tits examplify here - not all Muslims are crazy, therefore the crazy Muslims must be crazy for some other reason, unrelated to Islam. But this is nonsense.

The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam. They say so. Take them at their own word. The soldier-slaying fvcker in London and all the other allahu akhbaring jihadis spell it out every day, several times. I believe them.
It would be racist not to hold them responsible for their words and actions - and that goes for the perpetrators AND the sea of enablers they swim in.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:39pm

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam. They say so. Take them at their own word. The soldier-slaying fvcker in London and all the other allahu akhbaring jihadis spell it out every day, several times. I believe them.

I don't think I have seen anything much more ridiculous than the usual lefty mouth breathers saying, Oh he was not a real Muslim apologising for a loon who after shaving themselves, doing the death video quoting Koranic verses, and blows himself and others up whilst shouting Al akbah.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:52pm

The crazy fvckers have one single thing to recommend them over the 'vast majority of peaceful and law-abiding Muslims'.

They are honest and you can take them at their word.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:55pm

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:55pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

According to Freediver and Co. that will make you "spineless" and an "apologetic". Anybody who believes in giving Muslims a fair go, gets thus branded in an effort to try and keep them quiet.

Some Muslims do, Soren. Not all Muslims do.

D'oh!

The pertinent point is that the ones who do attack, do so IN THE NAME of Islam, with rock-solid Islamic credentials.

That is disputable, Soren. Why do you assume their "credentials" are more valid than those of Muslims who refute them? ::)

And yet, quietly in the mainstream Mosques, they are being ousted and refused entry or the right to preach, Soren. Seems to me that reality once more shows your prejudices for what they are. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:25pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

I'll put this to you Brian. Even the most moderate Muslims in Australia would love a Muslim run system . They only abide by the system we have now because they have to.

Good point.

Ask them to advocate liberal democracy, freedom of religion and speech in Dubai and see them arrested and deported.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Soren on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

And yet, quietly in the mainstream Mosques, they are being ousted and refused entry or the right to preach, Soren. Seems to me that reality once more shows your prejudices for what they are. ::)

Quietly.

No passionate, shouty jihad. No militant denunciation, no excommunication, no fatwah.
Just quiet shuffling of the feet. Waiting to see which horse wins.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 2:04pm

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Why? All the moderates point out that the Crazies don't represent their views. That the Crazies want the moderates to change is rather evident don't you think? They've killed and blown up so many in their effort to scare them into supporting their crazy views on Islam it makes the number of Westerns killed by the Crazies to look rather puny. Yet you still seem to think the Crazies are supported or considered to be somehow more Muslims than the moderates. That is because of your Islamophobia. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Quote:

The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam.

Perhaps too much of the wrong sort? Just like the Christian fundamentalists who blew up Abortion Clinics in the US appeared to have too much Christianity of the wrong sort? Or can only Muslims in your opinion be loony fundamentalists? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Quote:

It would be racist not to hold them responsible for their words and actions - and that goes for the perpetrators AND the sea of enablers they swim in.

And how do you tell one from the other or will you just prejudge them all, merely because they share a religion's name with the Crazies? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Innocent bystander on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:13pm

What do they want?, welfare mostly, and once they've got that they pretty well just sit back and take it easy, not bothering anyone.
But there is a minority that gets bored sitting around on welfare doing f#ck all and then they start dreaming of jihad to liven up their boring welfare addicted lives. :o

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

How many of or peace loving muslim brothers are in gaol for plotting terrorist acts?

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:44pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

How many of or peace loving muslim brothers are in gaol for plotting terrorist acts?

OC

Less than a handful in Australia. Which makes it clear the troublemakers are a tiny minority. There are substantially more Christians in jail yet you say nothing about them! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

You and i can go into the city tomorrow, and you can point out the ones that are 'peace lovers', and also the ones that are terrorists.

Should be easy!

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Innocent bystander on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:12pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

How many of or peace loving muslim brothers are in gaol for plotting terrorist acts?

OC

Less than a handful in Australia. Which makes it clear the troublemakers are a tiny minority. There are substantially more Christians in jail yet you say nothing about them! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Its true that not many mussies are involved in real terrorism, I am more worried about their jihad on centrelink to be honest, hundreds of thousands of muslim welfare bludgers will have a far greater impact on this country than a few dozen wanting to blow up the grand final.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:14pm

"hundreds of thousands of muslim welfare bludgers will have a far greater impact on this country than a few dozen wanting to blow up the grand final."

Just so long as Essendon is not playing!

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

"hundreds of thousands of muslim welfare bludgers will have a far greater impact on this country than a few dozen wanting to blow up the grand final."

Just so long as Essendon is not playing!

Essendon is the only club in the world that make a mockery of 'performance enhancing drugs'.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:35pm

"Essendon is the only club in the world that make a mockery of 'performance enhancing drugs'."

Yep!

These wankers think Essendon were on PEDs when they were losing 8 out of 9 games in a row.

SIGH!

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

How many of or peace loving muslim brothers are in gaol for plotting terrorist acts?

OC

Less than a handful in Australia. Which makes it clear the troublemakers are a tiny minority. There are substantially more Christians in jail yet you say nothing about them! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

It is going to be a bit of a tragedy for the moderate Muslims. At some point the security services will drop a ball and a bomb is going to go off or some significant atrocity will occur, maybe shooting up a mall or something.

After that attitudes will harden, Muslims will face hatred which will radicalise the other idiots into strapping bombs to themselves in response to the international call for Jihad against the west and then we will see in normally peaceful cities mirrors of streets burning ala France.

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:49pm

"It is going to be a bit of a tragedy for the moderate Muslims. At some point the security services will drop a ball and a bomb is going to go off or some significant atrocity will occur, maybe shooting up a mall or something.

After that attitudes will harden, Muslims will face hatred which will radicalise the other idiots into strapping bombs to themselves in response to the international call for Jihad against the west and then we will see in normally peaceful cities mirrors of streets burning ala France."

Agree with all that 100%.

I am certain that if ever a WTC happens in Australia many Australians will 'go looking' for muslims, and find them. We are far less tolerant than Americans. I fully expected a bloodbath after 911.

OC

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:53pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Best post I've seen from you! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Old Codger on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:04pm

i thought you would have been an expert.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Innocent bystander on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Well thats a given, haven't met a lefty yet that wouldn't prefer to live under the talibans sharia law than a democratically elected conservative government.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:06am

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Well thats a given, haven't met a lefty yet that wouldn't prefer to live under the talibans sharia law than a democratically elected conservative government.

As Hot Breath suggested, "you paint with a broad brush" but then, that's what conservatives tend to do, don't they?

I won't be applauding anybody on or blaming Israel for anything other than what ever it's own citizens have done.

If you keep alienating people on the basis of guilt by association it isn't surprising that they then feel, well alienated and react against it.

What I will be doing is shaking my head and suggesting that yet once more some people prefer to rely on their prejudices to do what passes for thinking for them. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:15am

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

How many of or peace loving muslim brothers are in gaol for plotting terrorist acts?

OC

Less than a handful in Australia. Which makes it clear the troublemakers are a tiny minority. There are substantially more Christians in jail yet you say nothing about them! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Nope. I'll be blaming the idiots who use prejudice to make their judgements of other people. You admit that the innocent will suffer yet you seem quite happy to see that happen, rather than try and prevent it by combating the opinions which will allow it to occur. How complicit does that make you? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:16am

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Well thats a given, haven't met a lefty yet that wouldn't prefer to live under the talibans sharia law than a democratically elected conservative government.

There is a difference? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

Which bit in what I wrote inspired you to think I would be "quite happy to see that happen"?

You share your brothers swivelling eyes syndrome and cannot see straight or with any clarity ya dopey halfwit.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Innocent bystander on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Well thats a given, haven't met a lefty yet that wouldn't prefer to live under the talibans sharia law than a democratically elected conservative government.

There is a difference? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

See? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

Which bit in what I wrote inspired you to think I would be "quite happy to see that happen"?

Perhaps the same place where you found I was a, "self loathing westerner" or that I would be, "applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel"? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

You want to spread lies and libel about me, then you've set the rules! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Quote:

You share your brothers swivelling eyes syndrome and cannot see straight or with any clarity ya dopey halfwit.

Really? Care to show a "swivelling eyes" emoticon in one of my posts? Or is this another of your lies about me? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:44pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Well thats a given, haven't met a lefty yet that wouldn't prefer to live under the talibans sharia law than a democratically elected conservative government.

There is a difference? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

See? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And where did I prove your point? I stated no preference, just mentioned the similarity between the two. Perhaps you need to learn to read? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:17pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Perhaps the same place where you found I was a, "self loathing westerner" or that I would be, "applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel"? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

I cant believe I have to explain that, how dim are you? So that would be a no then, you cannot show what part of what I stated,

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

You admit that the innocent will suffer yet you seem quite happy to see that happen,

Your attempts at word games are pathetic.

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Really? Care to show a "swivelling eyes" emoticon in one of my posts? Or is this another of your lies about me? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

LOL, you think that because there is no emoticon actually called swivelling eyes, it makes me a liar? Please, you are embarrassing yourself. Let me remind you what a lie looks like.

Quote:

Brian Ross wrote:DL, I haven't claimed to be an academic. I've never been employed as one nor claimed to hold any academic standing. That is a product it appears of your febrile imagination. I'll leave you to keep up your strawmen arguments yourself.

Then the lies.

Quote:

Brian Ross wrote:I have been a published academic at several points in my life, Sappho. ?

Quote:

Brian Ross wrote:Actually, DL, I referred to several webpages before I typed that out, to make sure what I remembered from my academic days was correct.

Quote:

Brian Ross wrote:You must move in very different academic circles to myself

Quote:

Brian Ross wrote:Funny, is that why whenever I or anybody else bring up their academic qualifications or knowledge you attack them personally? ?

But keep posting the silly emoticons with the swivelling eyes, they pad out and demonstrate with clarity how little you actually have to say.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Perhaps the same place where you found I was a, "self loathing westerner" or that I would be, "applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel"? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

I cant believe I have to explain that, how dim are you? So that would be a no then, you cannot show what part of what I stated,

And you can't provide any proof that I am "self-loathing" or that I "blame Israel" for everything. DL, you're a fool. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Quote:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

You admit that the innocent will suffer yet you seem quite happy to see that happen,

Your attempts at word games are pathetic.

As against yours? You fail again. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Quote:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Really? Care to show a "swivelling eyes" emoticon in one of my posts? Or is this another of your lies about me? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

LOL, you think that because there is no emoticon actually called swivelling eyes, it makes me a liar? Please, you are embarrassing yourself. Let me remind you what a lie looks like.

You won't find any "rolling eyes" emoticons either. Yes, that makes you a liar. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Your way of hate has failed you. Posting supposed quotes from Brian proves nothing about me so why bother doing it? It just shows how desperate you are and how much you irrationally hate him. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:35pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

All the moderates point out that the Crazies don't represent their views. That the Crazies want the moderates to change is rather evident don't you think? They've killed and blown up so many in their effort to scare them into supporting their crazy views on Islam it makes the number of Westerns killed by the Crazies to look rather puny. Yet you still seem to think the Crazies are supported or considered to be somehow more Muslims than the moderates. That is because of your Islamophobia. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Quote:

The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam.

We did call the Crazies fundamentalists before political correctness changed it to extremists in some whacky delusion these guys were not following Islam when in fact fundamentalist spelled out clearly what they were.

The fundamentalists are just following Islam when they attack the moderates or hypocrites as allah calls them.

Quote:

Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy speaking-
O prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them.
And their refuge is hell,and wretched is the destination.
www.quran.com/9/73

The Quran also tells you to follow the example Mohammad set and Mo even burnt down a mosque because those muslims were not doing Islam properly.
The fundamentalists who attack the hypocrites and blow up their mosques are following Islam according to the Quran.

There have been a grand total of 8 deaths from anti abortion violence in the USA, are you going to tar all christians with the same brush over 8 deaths in a country with over 200 million people?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

Islamic terrorists have killed 4x as many people in Australia compared to christians whacking abortion clinic workers here, muslims are less than 2% of our population and christians would be the majority.

What is the Islamic view on abortion clinics?
Do women get a choice on who they breed with in the Islamic part of the world?
Can you blow up something that does not exist?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Datalife on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

And you can't provide any proof that I am "self-loathing" or that I "blame Israel" for everything. DL, you're a fool. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

My having an opinion of you as self loathing who would probably blame any thing other than the actions of Muslims in any future poo storm is exactly that, my opinion. Reinforced by your statements.

As for your idiot pedantic defence that because you are not posting an emotican titled swivelling eyes you are not posting :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D yes, that's right moron, emoticons of swivelling eyes.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

turn around a point or axis or on a swivel.

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

You won't find any "rolling eyes" emoticons either. Yes, that makes you a liar. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

If you want to play pedantic clown games best you get it right. I didn't mention anything at all about "rolling eyes".
Why you put it into quotes I have no idea apart from the knowledge that you are a half wit explaining it.

And you expected people to believe you have a 178 IQ? What a clown. You are embarrassing yourself. And very badly. But for extra giggles, you are so goddamn stupid you have convinced yourself that you are showing me to be a fool.

All I can say is keep it up.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by freediver on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Except that every time a Muslim (or one of the apologists) tries to demonstrate that I am not correct, they end up reinforcing what I say.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:58am

freediver wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Except that every time a Muslim (or one of the apologists) tries to demonstrate that I am not correct, they end up reinforcing what I say.

Yeah, sure, whatever. You keep up your delusion, FD if it keeps you happy. I've tried but it is obvious you're not interested in alternatives. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:09pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam.

Well, what's your opinion then of Calvinism? Opus Dei? Westboro Baptist Church, to name a few who are considered Christian extremists.

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The fundamentalists are just following Islam when they attack the moderates or hypocrites as allah calls them.

And the Christian fundamentalists who blow up Abortion Clinics or shoot the staff who work there?

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There have been a grand total of 8 deaths from anti abortion violence in the USA, are you going to tar all christians with the same brush over 8 deaths in a country with over 200 million people?

Islamic terrorists have killed 4x as many people in Australia compared to christians whacking abortion clinic workers here, muslims are less than 2% of our population and christians would be the majority.

There have been recent Islamic Terrorist attacks here in Australia? Really? When?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

And you can't provide any proof that I am "self-loathing" or that I "blame Israel" for everything. DL, you're a fool. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

My having an opinion of you as self loathing who would probably blame any thing other than the actions of Muslims in any future poo storm is exactly that, my opinion. Reinforced by your statements.

Yet when I voice an opinion about you being a spineless apologetic for bigotry, Xenophobia and persecution of innocent people - based on the evidence that you presented, you discounted it. Appears that you believe yourself unaccountable for your opinions. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

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|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

You won't find any "rolling eyes" emoticons either. Yes, that makes you a liar. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

To a quarter-wit it appears. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

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And you expected people to believe you have a 178 IQ? What a clown. You are embarrassing yourself. And very badly. But for extra giggles, you are so goddamn stupid you have convinced yourself that you are showing me to be a fool.

Nope, you're showing yourself as a fool! You got trapped in exactly the same games you try and play on everybody else DL. You were shown to be a liar! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

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All I can say is keep it up.

I intend to Baka. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by True Colours on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

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There have been recent Islamic Terrorist attacks here in Australia? Really? When?

There are none.

The abortion clinic attacks, the hijacking of Qantas Flight 1737, the Hilton Hotel bombing, the Russell St Bombing, etc. - none of them were carried out by Muslims

None of Australia's biggest mass murders like Ivan Milat, Martin Bryant or Julian Knight, Robert Long, Huan Yun Xiang, Roger Dean, Brendan Sokaluk, Wade Frankum, Paul Anthony, Malcolm Baker, Frank Vitkovic, Joseph Schwab, John Glover or John Bunting were Muslim - none of them!

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam.

Well, what's your opinion then of Calvinism? Opus Dei? Westboro Baptist Church, to name a few who are considered Christian extremists.
What relevance does that have in a thread on Islam in Australia?

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The fundamentalists are just following Islam when they attack the moderates or hypocrites as allah calls them.

And the Christian fundamentalists who blow up Abortion Clinics or shoot the staff who work there?
8 deaths in the USA,Sounds like you are a bigoted christianophobe, more people have probably died from bee stings.

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Or their interpretation there of. You seem to believe they are the real Muslims while the moderates are not. You're applying their thinking to the problem rather than accepting what the majority of Muslims say or do.
I think the Ahmadi are real muslims, they are not considered real muslims by mainstream Islam and they are persecuted by mainstream Islam for alleged heretical reforms,The Ahmadi are persecuted by mainstream Islam for heretical reforms does that prove Islam is incapable of being reformed?
I have ex muslim friends who were in Lashkar e Taiba, i have apostate friends who have to pretend to be muslim due to the death penalty for apostasy

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There have been a grand total of 8 deaths from anti abortion violence in the USA, are you going to tar all christians with the same brush over 8 deaths in a country with over 200 million people?

Why not? You tar all Muslims with the same broad brush when only a small minority of them commit atrocities. Obviously, if this is the correct logic, then it should be applicable equally, don't you think or do Christians get exceptions 'cause they aren't Muslim? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
It depends what you consider an atrocity, death for apostasy,death for blasphemy,death for adultery, death for homosexuals are all a reality in the Islamic parts of the world and i think it is atrocious for any religion to have a death penalty in the year 2013, it would be the majority that support these death penalties.
I have ex muslim friends who have to pretend to be muslim due to the death penalty for leaving Islam, i dont know any atheists who have to pretend to be christian to escape the wrath of christian fundies.

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There have been recent Islamic Terrorist attacks here in Australia? Really? When?
Have there been any recent abortion clinic attacks?

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The Broken hill massacre was a fatal incident that took place near Broken hill on Jan 1 1915.

Two men shot dead four people and wounded seven more before being killed by Police and military officers,While the attack was politically and religiously inspired,as declared by the perpetrators notes....

The attackers were both former camel drivers working at broken hill,they were Badsha Mohammed Gool and Mullah Abdullah, a local imam and halal butcher.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:50pm

wally1 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

How old are these clips athos?

Problem still exist and became worse. Therefore sleeping beauties have to be reminded what's been happening around them

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by athos on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:57pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Yeah, onya freediver.......is there not a dedicated Muslim Board here? Huh? You know there is, but far be it from you to miss any chance to spread the fear and loathing.

The most important is to be politically correct and let them screw you as much as possible.
That's how they multiply like rabbits producing more and more little jihadis.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by freediver on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:58am:

freediver wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Except that every time a Muslim (or one of the apologists) tries to demonstrate that I am not correct, they end up reinforcing what I say.

Yeah, sure, whatever. You keep up your delusion, FD if it keeps you happy. I've tried but it is obvious you're not interested in alternatives. ::)

Alternatives to what? The truth? Whenever I manage to get a direct criticism out of you, it is about one of the following:

1) My motives.
2) Where it will (in your opinion) lead if I express my opinion.
3) Not all Muslims are terrorists / support Islam / whatever.

You have not once even attempted to argue a point of fact. It is just an endless stream of whiny excuses for why I should not speak out in defense of freedom, democracy, human rights etc.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 10:04pm

freediver wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:58am:

freediver wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Except that every time a Muslim (or one of the apologists) tries to demonstrate that I am not correct, they end up reinforcing what I say.

Yeah, sure, whatever. You keep up your delusion, FD if it keeps you happy. I've tried but it is obvious you're not interested in alternatives. ::)

Alternatives to what?

Obviously to your deluded beliefs. FD, no matter how many times you're told something different, you still stick to your narrow-minded views on Muslims and Islam. That is, by definition, bigotry.

Your attitudes disgusts me. They are unAustralian.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by freediver on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 8:57am

Are you suggesting that your spineless waffle has failed to change my opinion of Islam? Does this indicate some kind of personality defect?

Or that I have made factual errors in my statements about Islam?

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:48pm

freediver wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Are you suggesting that your spineless waffle has failed to change my opinion of Islam?

Your continued characterisation of my position as "spineless waffle" merely indicates you failure to even grasp it, FD.

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Does this indicate some kind of personality defect?

On my part? No. On your part, yes.

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Or that I have made factual errors in my statements about Islam?

Yes, many times and you have been corrected many times but you appear unable to understand or accept such correction, FD. That is because you're a bigot. That you seem unable to grasp that merely shows how deep your bigotry against Islam and Muslim runs. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Lucas The Innkeeper on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 10:04pm:

Actually that is just your opinion and it only works if in fact FD has narrow-minded views and according to what criteria.
That is, by definition, just your opinion. Which if incorrect is narrow minded in itself.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by ian on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 12:11am

I think you have had enough for the night, Barney.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Lucas The Innkeeper on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 12:17am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTP61_9Acc

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:45am

ian wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 12:11am:

I think you have had enough for the night, Barney.

I concur. He makes no sense. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Lucas The Innkeeper on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:52am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:45am:

ian wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 12:11am:

I think you have had enough for the night, Barney.

I concur. He makes no sense. ::)

No surprises there. :D

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:56am

Lucas The Innkeeper wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:45am:

ian wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 12:11am:

I think you have had enough for the night, Barney.

I concur. He makes no sense. ::)

No surprises there. :D

It appears we have another troll. ::)

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Lucas The Innkeeper on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:58am

Ah the old if i get insulted for posting garbage I'll call them a troll chestnut using the royal we.

Grow up.

Title: Re: Islam in Australia and what it wants
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 11:28am

Lucas The Innkeeper wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:58am:

Ah the old if i get insulted for posting garbage I'll call them a troll chestnut using the royal we.

Grow up.

No, I'm calling you a troll 'cause you're posting gobbledegook. ::)

And tired old gobbledegook, too. Nothing fresh in your Islamophobia. ::)