Quote:

Malaysian court rules use of 'Allah' exclusive to Muslims A Malaysian court has ruled that a Christian newspaper cannot use the word "Allah" to refer to God. The unanimous decision, by three Muslim judges in the appeals court, overturned a 2009 ruling by a lower court that allowed the Malay language version of the newspaper, The Herald, to use the word "Allah". "The usage of the word Allah is not an integral part of the faith in Christianity," chief judge Mohamed Apandi Ali said. "The usage of the word will cause confusion in the community." The decision coincides with heightened ethnic and religious tensions in Malaysia after a polarising May election. During the election, the long-ruling coalition was deserted by urban voters, including a large section of minority ethnic Chinese. In recent months, prime minister Najib Razak has sought to consolidate his support among majority ethnic Malays, who are Muslim by law. He has also sought to secure the backing of traditionalists ahead of a crucial ruling party assembly this month. His new government, dominated by his Malay-based United Malays National Organisation, has toughened security laws and introduced steps to boost a decades-old affirmative action policy for ethnic Malays. It has reversed liberal reforms aimed at appealing to a broader section of multi-ethnic Malaysia. In its case, the government argued the word "Allah" was specific to Muslims and the then-home minister's decision in 2008 to deny the newspaper permission to print it was justified on the basis of public order. Lawyers for the Catholic paper had argued the word "Allah" predates Islam and had been used extensively by Malay-speaking Christians in Malaysia's part of Borneo island for centuries. They say they will appeal against today's decision to Malaysia's highest court. Christians in Indonesia and much of the Arab world continue to use the word without opposition from Islamic authorities. Churches in the Borneo states of Sabah and Sarawak have said they will continue to use the word regardless of the ruling. The paper won a judicial review of the home minister's decision in 2009, triggering an appeal from the federal government. Ethnic Malays make up 60 per cent of Malaysia's 28 million people, with Chinese accounting for more than a quarter and ethnic Indians also forming a substantial minority. Christians account for around 9 per cent. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-14/god-allah-christian-muslim/5020962

And so it is written. For us New Age Muslims our revered leader Halla is exclusive to us. We will beat the sh!t out of anyone using his name without our permission.

We are, thanks to Halla, a very peace loving group.

Yet Yadda repeatedly told us Christians were forced to use the word "Allah" to describe "God".  Mmm, perhaps he got it wrong?   ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Yet Yadda repeatedly told us Christians were forced to use the word "Allah" to describe "God".  Mmm, perhaps he got it wrong?   ;D ;D

Those who claim to be Christians [i.e. those who claim to be children of the God of creation], should be careful who they choose to worship, and whom they accredit as being their God.



Dictionary;
accredit = =
1 give credit to (someone) for something.    (accredit something to) attribute something to.
2 give official authorization or sanction to.





Notwithstanding the threats that are contained within the Koran, and the persecution which Christians may be subject to at the hands of moslems, Christians should be careful as to whom they accredit/choose as to being their God.


FROM THE KORAN

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


n.b.
In God's word, the phonetic word 'ala', describes the curse, which is upon all of mankind.





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Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


2 Peter 2:19
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


Luke 9:24
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Yahweh, Allah, Brahma, Zeus, Odin, Wotan, all are the same god.  That is, if God exists at all!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

salad in wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

Quote: Malaysian court rules use of 'Allah' exclusive to Muslims A Malaysian court has ruled that a Christian newspaper cannot use the word "Allah" to refer to God. The unanimous decision, by three Muslim judges in the appeals court, overturned a 2009 ruling by a lower court that allowed the Malay language version of the newspaper, The Herald, to use the word "Allah". "The usage of the word Allah is not an integral part of the faith in Christianity," chief judge Mohamed Apandi Ali said. "The usage of the word will cause confusion in the community." The decision coincides with heightened ethnic and religious tensions in Malaysia after a polarising May election. During the election, the long-ruling coalition was deserted by urban voters, including a large section of minority ethnic Chinese. In recent months, prime minister Najib Razak has sought to consolidate his support among majority ethnic Malays, who are Muslim by law. He has also sought to secure the backing of traditionalists ahead of a crucial ruling party assembly this month. His new government, dominated by his Malay-based United Malays National Organisation, has toughened security laws and introduced steps to boost a decades-old affirmative action policy for ethnic Malays. It has reversed liberal reforms aimed at appealing to a broader section of multi-ethnic Malaysia. In its case, the government argued the word "Allah" was specific to Muslims and the then-home minister's decision in 2008 to deny the newspaper permission to print it was justified on the basis of public order. Lawyers for the Catholic paper had argued the word "Allah" predates Islam and had been used extensively by Malay-speaking Christians in Malaysia's part of Borneo island for centuries. They say they will appeal against today's decision to Malaysia's highest court. Christians in Indonesia and much of the Arab world continue to use the word without opposition from Islamic authorities. Churches in the Borneo states of Sabah and Sarawak have said they will continue to use the word regardless of the ruling. The paper won a judicial review of the home minister's decision in 2009, triggering an appeal from the federal government. Ethnic Malays make up 60 per cent of Malaysia's 28 million people, with Chinese accounting for more than a quarter and ethnic Indians also forming a substantial minority. Christians account for around 9 per cent. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-14/god-allah-christian-muslim/5020962 And so it is written. For us New Age Muslims our revered leader Halla is exclusive to us. We will beat the sh!t out of anyone using his name without our permission. We are, thanks to Halla, a very peace loving group.

This shows that allah is not the word for god as muslims proclaim but a specific god with Arabian origins.

Gandalf often cites Malaysia as an example of a progressive Muslim country and a demonstration of how non-Muslims have nothing to fear from modern Islam.

freediver wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Gandalf often cites Malaysia as an example of a progressive Muslim country and a demonstration of how non-Muslims have nothing to fear from modern Islam.

Such blatant lies [from moslems] are very common.

Moslems will [barefacedly] make the false claim, that ISLAM is a tolerant and benign religion.


But it is becoming increasingly clear to to many, many people, that almost nothing - about ISLAM - which a moslem communicates to a non-moslem audience can be believed.



Moslems are barefaced and blatant liars, when it come to describing the nature of ISLAM, to non-moslems.






How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1369537695/68#68

Quote:

....."I'm becoming an alien in Malaysia, in my own country," says Dr Jacob George. The president of the Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam in Selangor State has been helping to organise efforts to stop the local authorities in the ethnic Malay-Muslim dominated city of Shah Alam from demolishing a 107-year-old Hindu temple. ......In living memory it has had only two serious outbreaks of inter-communal violence; in 1946 and 1969. But lately, non-Muslims in Malaysia have expressed fears that the delicate balance between themselves and the majority may be shifting. ......"There's a creeping Islamicisation in our society and this isn't appropriate because we're a multi-religious, multi-racial country."

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The Koran does not encourage multicultural acceptance, in moslems.

Q.
So why do moslems always insist [when addressing non-moslems], that all real moslems are tolerant of non-ISLAMIC influences/culture ???

A.
All 'real' moslems are blatant liars.





"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028


"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76i



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The un-ISLAMIC lifestyle is called Jahiliyya, by the ISLAMISTS




Quote:

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" "It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

OR, Google;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB




The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM.

And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere *existence* of non-moslem communities is viewed as insulting to the authority of Allah.
...because you see, moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world, for Allah.



Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia...


Quote:

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;" "...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya" "...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

Lies from muslims Yadda?

I remember a while back some of the muslims here put up a vast list of lies by the west and so called non muslims.

Strange you where silent then.

wally1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Lies from muslims Yadda? I remember a while back some of the muslims here put up a vast list of lies by the west and so called non muslims. Strange you where silent then.

[crickets chirping]

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 10:24am:

wally1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 10:00am: Lies from muslims Yadda? I remember a while back some of the muslims here put up a vast list of lies by the west and so called non muslims. Strange you where silent then. [crickets chirping]

Cat got your tongue?

You seem to get your biblical and koranic knowledge from your local mcdonalds drive thru.

wally1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Lies from muslims Yadda? I remember a while back some of the muslims here put up a vast list of lies by the west and so called non muslims. Strange you where silent then.

Yadda once explained away a paper released by British intelligence concluding that terrorists are less likely to be regular attendants at mosques, and active members of the mainstream muslim community - by claiming that British intelligence had been infiltrated by islamists. Needless to say he produced no evidence for this claim.

Previous to that, Yadda posted a heavilly edited video of the Australian muslim council's press conference responding to last year's riot in Sydney. The video appeared to show the council being deliberately vague and qualified in their apparent condemnation of the beheading placards. However the full, unedited version of the press conference showed one of the leaders saying of the placards "we condemn it, uncategorically" - and expressed a wish that the culprits be dealt with harshly and swiftly by the authorities.

And just this week Yadda casually claimed that filicide (killing your children) is a "common occurrence within all moslem communities." When pressed about exactly what he meant by "common" and what evidence he was basing this claim on, he was unavailable for comment.

wally1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 10:24am: wally1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 10:00am: Lies from muslims Yadda? I remember a while back some of the muslims here put up a vast list of lies by the west and so called non muslims. Strange you where silent then. [crickets chirping] Cat got your tongue? You seem to get your biblical and koranic knowledge from your local mcdonalds drive thru.

Oh!

You want me to respond to your post #7 !






OK, here goes....


wally1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Lies from muslims Yadda? I remember a while back some of the muslims here put up a vast list of lies by the west and so called non muslims. Strange you where silent then.

What "vast list of [non-moslem] lies" ???

And, you accuse me of being silent in my response to the "vast list of [non-moslem] lies" !?

Yadda was silent! Wow!   [.....eh gandalf!!!!]



wally1,
If i was silent, show me, where i was silent.         :P



wally1,

That is my best response to the accusations in your post.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

wally1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 10:00am: Lies from muslims Yadda? I remember a while back some of the muslims here put up a vast list of lies by the west and so called non muslims. Strange you where silent then. Yadda once explained away a paper released by British intelligence concluding that terrorists are less likely to be regular attendants at mosques, and active members of the mainstream muslim community - by claiming that British intelligence had been infiltrated by islamists. Needless to say he produced no evidence for this claim.

It is politically incorrect to suggest that ISLAMISTS have infiltrated the UK intelligence community.

Dig a little deeper.




Quote:

Previous to that, Yadda posted a heavilly edited video of the Australian muslim council's press conference responding to last year's riot in Sydney. The video appeared to show the council being deliberately vague and qualified in their apparent condemnation of the beheading placards. However the full, unedited version of the press conference showed one of the leaders saying of the placards "we condemn it, uncategorically" - and expressed a wish that the culprits be dealt with harshly and swiftly by the authorities.

Got a link to a YT edit of 'the full, unedited version of the press conference showed one of the leaders saying of the placards "we condemn it, uncategorically" - and expressed a wish that the culprits be dealt with harshly and swiftly by the authorities' ?




Quote:

And just this week Yadda casually claimed that filicide (killing your children) is a "common occurrence within all moslem communities." When pressed about exactly what he meant by "common" and what evidence he was basing this claim on, he was unavailable for comment.

The killing of moslem children within the UK moslem community appears to be 'out of control'.

Google;
muslim honour killings uk

There are numerous examples cited.

176,000 hits on that Google search.

e.g. first few results...
UK Honour Killings: Muslim girls disappear in Bradford |
themuslimissue.wordpress.com/.../uk-honor-killings-muslim-girls-disapp...‎
Aug 3, 2012 - Mystery of Bradford's missing children: were they forced into marriages abroad? By Jerome Taylor and Mark Hughes They are the missing ...

Alarming number of 'honour attacks' in the UK as police reveal ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Alarming-number-honour-attacks-UK-police-re...‎
Dec 3, 2011 - Honour attacks are punishments usually carried out against Muslim ... of 22 and 21 years respectively for the honour killing of the 20-year-old ...

Honor killing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing‎
Jump to United Kingdom - [edit]. Shafilea Ahmed (14 July 1986 – 11 September 2003) was a 17-year-old British Pakistani girl who was murdered by her ...i
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MOSLEM SLAUGHTER HOUSES - MOSLEM FAMILY HOMES, IN THE UK



Quote:

'Let us naive Westerners prove how righteous and tolerant we are, by showing moslems how tolerant we can be of ISLAMIC cultural practices.' /sarc off [quote] Murder girl's five cries for help that were ignored By FIONA BARTON and STEPHEN WRIGHT 11th June 2007 Five police officers are under investigation after a series of terrible blunders left a young Muslim woman at the mercy of killers in her own family. ....It also emerged that in the two months before her death she had warned police four times that she believed her family wanted to murder her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461280/Murder-girls-cries-help-ignored.html

Many young moslem women are murdered by family members [especially in Western nations], because they seek to escape the stifling control ISLAM imposes on their lives [control and threats which are applied by male family members].

And young moslem women in particular are being targeted, because of their vulnerability, and powerlessness.

These young women are being killed by 'righteous' moslem men, because these young moslem women are vulnerable, and powerless.

Google,
muslim honour killings uk

Though the term 'honour killing' is in 'popular' use in the MSM [media], it is a misnomer.

Every 'honour killing' [of young moslem women] is justified by moslem perpetrators, as the 'righteous' killing of an 'apostate'/rebel.

And ISLAMIC religious texts declare, that moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,

The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

[/quote]





Another 'special' filicide (killing your children) incident;

A, "Oh, but this is not 'typical of moslem' culture!", incident in the UK     :P     ....of filicide (killing your children);

Google;
uk, honour killing, muslim daughter in suitcase

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

It is politically incorrect to suggest that ISLAMISTS have infiltrated the UK intelligence community. Dig a little deeper.

It is politically incorrect because it is completely baseless rubbish. If there was even the minutest bit of credibility to this claim you would have provided evidence. You have not.


Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

Got a link to a YT edit of 'the full, unedited version of the press conference showed one of the leaders saying of the placards "we condemn it, uncategorically" - and expressed a wish that the culprits be dealt with harshly and swiftly by the authorities' ?

Here, you can take a step down memory lane and peruse the entire thread:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367379581/0

It is a brilliant case study in confused bigotry. You started out with the message that muslims were being deliberately vague about their condemnation, but when I proved to you (the unedited video) that their condemnation was as specific as you can get, you launched your standard tirade about muslims can't be trusted and google taqiyya yada yada yada.It was quite embarassing watching you fall apart like that - going from a thread dedicated to the importance of what muslims say and how they say it, to the end of the thread where you are openly stating that it doesn't matter at all what muslims say, and in your words is "totally irrelevant"  ;D ;D.


Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

The killing of moslem children within the UK moslem community appears to be 'out of control'. Google; muslim honour killings uk There are numerous examples cited.

"numerous examples" eh. The BBC cites UK authorities as saying there are around a dozen cases per year in the asian community. There are around 2.7 million muslims in the UK. Does that qualify as "out of control" or even "common"?

Also your original claim was it is "common occurrence within all moslem communities." What google search can you offer me to demonstrate the "common occurrence" say in the Australian muslim community, or the Malaysian muslim community? Is it true that just one or two cases qualifies as "common"?

Also, what is the rate of filicide in muslim communities compared to non-muslim communities? Presumably you researched all that before categorically claiming that it was "common" and "out of control" in every single muslim community right?

Or could it possibly be that you were lying in order to make yet another baseless smear about islam?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:44pm: It is politically incorrect to suggest that ISLAMISTS have infiltrated the UK intelligence community. Dig a little deeper. It is politically incorrect because it is completely baseless rubbish. If there was even the minutest bit of credibility to this claim you would have provided evidence. You have not.

Quote:

The Daily Telegraph has learned that six new [MI5] Muslim recruits were thrown out of the service because of serious concerns about their pasts. Two of the six were said to have attended training camps in Pakistan where they could have come into contact with al-Qaeda recruiters. The remainder had unexplained gaps of up to three months in their curricula vitae. .....Last year the security services warned that Islamist extremists had infiltrated Government and key public utilities to pass sensitive information to terrorists. Counter-terrorism officials were reported to be worried that 'insiders' or their associates are almost certainly working undetected in sensitive posts and are actively supporting extremists.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5949775/MI5-targeted-by-Islamic-extremists-in-rushed-recruitment-drive-after-July-2005-attacks-on-London.html


Every moslem migrant to a Western nation, remains moslem.


It should be apparent, to any reasoning person, that every moslem individual who comes to 'live' in the West [and yet who will stringently declare and maintain their 'identity' designation as, a 'moslem'], has absolutely no intention of integrating [themselves, or any of their family members] into their Western host society - because the  values which Western host societies hold [AND WHICH ARE THE VALUES, WHICH THOSE SOCIETIES ARE MAINTAINED BY], are antithetical to the 'ISLAMIC' values and to the cultural tenets which every moslem must hold [and must refuse to relinquish!], to remain a 'moslem'.



ISLAM's sole 'reason for being',
AND,
the sole purpose, of being a moslem;

Is to seek to destroy, that which is UN-ISLAMIC.


Google;
muslims, destroy west, from within



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There is no such creature, as a 'moderate' moslem, or, a moslem 'pluralist'.

A person who declares themself to be, a moslem, is a moslem.

A person who declares themself to be, a moslem, is person who has agreed to be 'BOUND' [IN SUBMISSION] by the religious laws, and by the cultural tenets of ISLAM.


And the religious laws, and the cultural tenets of ISLAM are dedicated [solely] to destroying, everything which is UN-ISLAMIC.

e.g.

Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam... ...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html


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The un-ISLAMIC lifestyle is called Jahiliyya, by the ISLAMISTS




Quote:

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" "It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

OR, Google;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB




The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM.

And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere *existence* of non-moslem communities is viewed as insulting to the authority of Allah.
...because you see, moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world, for Allah.



Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia...


Quote:

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;" "...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya" "...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:44pm: Got a link to a YT edit of 'the full, unedited version of the press conference showed one of the leaders saying of the placards "we condemn it, uncategorically" - and expressed a wish that the culprits be dealt with harshly and swiftly by the authorities' ? Here, you can take a step down memory lane and peruse the entire thread: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367379581/0 It is a brilliant case study in confused bigotry. You started out with the message that muslims were being deliberately vague about their condemnation, but when I proved to you (the unedited video) that their condemnation was as specific as you can get, you launched your standard tirade about muslims can't be trusted and google taqiyya yada yada yada.It was quite embarassing watching you fall apart like that - going from a thread dedicated to the importance of what muslims say and how they say it, to the end of the thread where you are openly stating that it doesn't matter at all what muslims say, and in your words is "totally irrelevant"  ;D ;D.

gandalf,

This is the link which you provided;


Quote:

The full context of that statement is in this video: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/its-our-shortcoming-we-have-not-really-engaged-with-these-individuals-20120918-264uf.html

gandalf,

I load the page, but the video [portion] does not play.

The link page is html format, and there is no link to a video format file.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:44pm: The killing of moslem children within the UK moslem community appears to be 'out of control'. Google; muslim honour killings uk There are numerous examples cited. "numerous examples" eh. The BBC cites UK authorities as saying there are around a dozen cases per year in the asian community. There are around 2.7 million muslims in the UK. Does that qualify as "out of control" or even "common"?

gandalf,


You claim that there are reportedly [BBC] only around a dozen 'honour killing' cases per year, in the UK, eh ?

I wonder where you came across that info, gandalf ?



Quote:

United Kingdom Every year in the United Kingdom (UK), officials estimate that at least a dozen women are victims of honor killings, almost exclusively within Asian and Middle Eastern families.[60] Often cases cannot be resolved due to the unwillingness of family, relatives and communities to testify. A 2006 BBC poll for the Asian network in the UK found that one in ten of the 500 young Asians polled said that they could condone the killing of someone who dishonored their family.[61] In the UK, in December 2005, Nazir Afzal, Director, west London, of Britain's Crown Prosecution Service, stated that the United Kingdom has seen "at least a dozen honour killings" between 2004 and 2005.[62] While precise figures do not exist for the perpetrators' cultural backgrounds, Diana Nammi of the UK's Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation is reported to have said: "about two-thirds are Muslim. Yet they can also be Hindu and Sikh."[63] In 2010, Britain saw a 47% rise of honor-related crimes. Data from police agencies in the UK report 2283 cases in 2010, and an estimated of 500 more from jurisdictions that did not provide reports. These "honor-related crimes" also include house arrests and other parental punishments.[64] Most of the attacks were conducted in cities that had high immigrant populations.[65] Another well-known case was Heshu Yones, stabbed to death by her Kurdish father in London in 2002 when her family heard a love song dedicated to her and suspected she had a boyfriend.[66] Other examples include the killing of Tulay Goren, a Kurdish Shia Muslim girl who immigrated with her family from Turkey,[67] and Samaira Nazir (Pakistani Muslim).[67]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#United_Kingdom








Google;
UK authorities, how many honour killing cases per year



Quote:

‘Honour’-killing in the UK 2012-08-13 ....The police in the UK are now more receptive to calls for help, and more cases of ‘honour’-related violence are being prosecuted. Last year, 234 cases were taken to court, and half of them resulted in a ‘guilty’ verdict. In this period, all 39 police forces in the country reported nearly 3,000 cases. Clearly, these numbers do not represent the full extent of these vicious crimes as many children remain silent in the face of abuse from parents and other older relatives.

http://dawn.com/news/741811/honour-killing-in-the-uk


Wow, gandalf !!!!

In 2011, nearly 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence were reported in the UK.

Not "around a dozen cases per year" then ?

And those 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence, in the UK, were reported, within a climate of abuse, intimidation and threats of violence coming from their community.     [COMMENT; So i wonder how many cases there ACTUALLY are per year ? i.e. How many incidents would be reported, if there were no intimidation and threats, for teh victim to remain silent!]

Which community ?

Oh, it is 'the' 'asian community'.

You mean, the lying, deceitful, moslem community ?

A community of people [in the UK] who demonstrably, will use lies, misinformation, intimidation, and threats of violence, to hide their stinking 'beautiful' ISLAMIC culture - from the broader UK community ?iThis ---> is how the moslem community [often/always] seek to portray their religion [to those who are outside of their own 'camp'];

IMAGE....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/London_Bus_2.jpg
A moslem advertising campaign [2007] in the UK.
Which promotes British moslems as normal, integrated citizens, who reject all forms of extremism.
"PROUD TO BE A.....MOSLEM"

AND BY THE WAY, YOU 'FILTHY', 'LYING' UK KUFFAR, MUST PERMIT US UK MOSLEMS TO MURDER OUR APOSTATE CHILDREN

It just makes you proud, doesn't it!


AGAIN;
In 2011, nearly 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence [incidents which the UK moslem community seeks to conceal] were reported in the UK.

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:58am:

You claim that there are reportedly [BBC] only around a dozen 'honour killing' cases per year, in the UK, eh ?

Nothing you posted contradicts this.


Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 1:58am:

In 2011, nearly 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence were reported in the UK. Not "around a dozen cases per year" then ?

violence /= killing

So 3000 "cases" (allegedly, no source is provided). Is that "common"? On what criteria do you consider it "common"?

What is the comparative rate in the non-muslim community? How many abuse "cases" of children/wives getting assaulted by their drunk, violent husband, father, step-father? I'll go out on a limb and say that its more common than the muslim honour cases. Call it a hunch.